Personal knowledge management is stupid

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  • @skeovkp48598
    @skeovkp48598 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It was such a relief listening to this! I"ve just discovered Obsidian and love its flexibility, so started watching videos on personal knowledge management. As a result I started feeling more and more inadequate - there's no way I'm going to spend so much time and effort organizing information. I just know I'm eventually going to get overwhelmed by it all. Your way sounds much more doable.

  • @KitBetts-Masters
    @KitBetts-Masters 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Brilliant, so glad I found this channel. I agree, I always like starting a new PKM system, because it's all neat and tidy, until it's crowded and then... yep. The mountain thing!

    • @toolsontech
      @toolsontech  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad you liked it, yeah the feeling is mutual and it's probably why I have a lot of almost empty note books. Starting with good intentions and then, like life, it gets messy.

  • @kevinmorris3331
    @kevinmorris3331 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Love the video. Being intentional about my notes is something I have done when I moved from Evernote (which I hoarded things in for years) to Obsidian. I cleaned house. My basic filter: is it something I will easily find with a Google search later (then do not keep it) or is it something that may disappear from online, something I am deeply interested in or something that I want to collect information from various sources and condense it. (then I store it) I also use it to store important things that I might want to keep notes on vs. just storing a document or an image. Another key point from your video that resonated with me was enjoying the process. I enjoy the process of writing and pondering. I need to realize this more and keep it in mind. Thanks for the counterbalance.

    • @toolsontech
      @toolsontech  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Exactly this, when I started with note taking it was so easy to add things and over time you find out you are moving the problem. In my journey using both Obsidian and Logseq the main growth wasn't in capture but in taking that 2 seconds with, "will I ever find this again if needed" and often the answer is, "I will search online first anyway and totally miss this note"

  • @LinkEX
    @LinkEX 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    As an over-systemizer, I feel personally attacked.
    Now if you excuse me, I'll need to get back to write down more disjointed details to my hopelessly unpolished vault.
    (I call it _The stub-born.)_

    • @toolsontech
      @toolsontech  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      It's the rough truth we know but don't always want to face.

  • @kronikpillow
    @kronikpillow 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I couldn't agree more ... ever since i started following you and other content creators regarding PKM's, I haven't actually found a good PKM solution that works for me, been a year now that im trying ...

    • @toolsontech
      @toolsontech  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      A year is a long time, my nr one advice would be to focus on a single result you want and see how to capture for that and as mentioned, try and keep it simple.
      If you feel stuck, feel free to send me a message.

    • @kronikpillow
      @kronikpillow 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@toolsontech I'm a marketer in the Tech space and work for a big company with a very small marketing team, I need a system to build a valuable long-term knowledge bases that can also be accessed by other members of my team. My team and I aren't experts in the tech field, we are marketers, making a robust knowledge base accessible to multiple people is crucial for creating content and marketing material.
      I've tried Logseq and used your starter template (which has a bug that needs fixing in the templates section).
      However, Logseq is time-consuming to set up, dependant on extensions that quite often are buggy, and isn't user-friendly to my team and company executives. The outliner method and navigation features of Logseq, aren't available in plain exported Markdown, while the format it gives, looks weird in Emails and other communication channels, due to indentation in markdown it just doesn't suit our needs.
      I've also tried other tools like Obsidian, Notion, ClickUp, Miro, AFFiNE, and other collaboration note taking tools, but they are all too complicated to get started with, as first I need to figure out a workflow, then I need to teach that workflow to the entire team.
      Why are note-taking apps so complicated and feature-rich? It's overwhelming at best, and paralyzing at worst, especially for people who are just discovering the concept of knowledgebases.
      Worst part is, most of these apps are in early development, they are just not there yet, and my personal POV has become that by trying to do it all, they are actually ruining the product ... Note taking apps should follow the concept of UNIX philosophy closer, they should do 1 thing, and do that 1 thing well, instead of trying to do it all ...
      It's a note taking app for gods sake xD
      I do have a bunch of my notes all around my PC, but ... trying to connect them in any app, in a valuable knowledge-base has been a nightmare, as ... the concept is new to me :)
      yeah i made it a huge comment XD but hey, now you understand why it's been a year
      and I understand that "Personal Knowledgebase" and "team" doesn't come together but ... my team is a team of 2, hence ... I don't need CRM solutions for things like this, I just need a good solution to share my own personal knowledgebase, with my collegue, and my 2 CEO's ... so essentially, it is a personal knowledge base, as i'd be building the knowledgebase for mostly myself

    • @justdavecool
      @justdavecool 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@toolsontech oof I feel too seen 😅 I've worked and reworked my PKM systems for years now (started using Logseq in 2022) with mixed success. Letting go and giving myself permission to "mess up" (recognizing that for the most part, I'll never re-visit these notes) has really helped. I think there's this temptation to see something like Logseq's 'Graph view' and assume that there's some kind of "end-goal", some prescribed perfect web of interconnected notes.
      Ironically, I'm starting to get the feeling that the best notes are the ones you take for what you need. Still, letting go of my internalized, preconceived notions of perfectionism is hard. I low-key blame social media information addiction and a lifetime of video games for training my brain to compulsively want to collect everything.
      Thanks for your content!

    • @toolsontech
      @toolsontech  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      People underestimate the huge difference between group notes and personal notes. Its usually not the tool (though I love/hate things like confluence with a passion) but more getting a group of hairless apes to all write proper notes and keeping them organized. This is why the whole PKM was born, have messy personal notes to publish things for wider human consumption.
      My main take on this problem is, 1. Try and get all your notes in a txt/md format in a single folder and 2. take one txt/md file, clean it and give to co-worker. Could be as simple as moving it to a shared drive. 3. Peer review the notes. Repeat
      Once you got the fundamentals going, then it suddenly is way easier to find a tool cause they all just help streamline the loop of managing lots of text files.
      I'm usually working with computer nerds, so we get to cheat by having markdown files next to the code and using version control. But that's already adding a layer of complexity that really isn't needed. Frequent backups of the shared drive would be smart though.

  • @erinsphone5562
    @erinsphone5562 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for putting into words what has been swimming around in my head! Well said!

    • @toolsontech
      @toolsontech  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah, I'm glad it's out of my head now. It had been swimming there for a long time as well.

  • @mcaro5908
    @mcaro5908 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Context is so important! I had a lot of trouble framing this problem and solution for myself early on, I am an aspiring creative professional (I want to eventually be living off my published writing/art) and part of my skill development is studying a variety of subjects to establish foundational knowledge to use in my stories.
    Figuring out how to approach note-taking and studying in general was so confusing. One day I put some real thought into what I, me-personally, needed out of the studying. What information did I want to retain and how, what form did I need to interact with it to be applicable to the things I wanted to accomplish creatively. Within the context of my life and my goals I had very different (and specific) needs than whatever generic ideas I had about what learning and studying should entail

    • @toolsontech
      @toolsontech  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Love this, yeah context makes the note taking. Knowing what you are doing it for helps so much in framing what to capture and why.

  • @Gareth.W
    @Gareth.W 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi. First time I've seen your videos but i watched it through till the very end. I'm at the very beginning of my digital note taking journey - literally just bought a Boox to replace my countless paper notebooks and am trying to come up with a workflow that'll work. I think your video may help me avoid making some common mistakes. I'm sure I'll probably need to rewatch it every now and again as a reminder to myself to keep it simple.

    • @toolsontech
      @toolsontech  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Love my Boox, one big mistake I made with my previous tablet (Samsung S6) that was going to replace my paper writing was that I tried so many apps that I no longer knew where a note was kept and eventually I just went back to paper. The Boox helpt a lot since I just use it's own notes app and most other apps just don't work well with the e-ink display. To me, that's a feature.
      Wishing you the best journey and hope you manage to keep the system simple and enjoyable!

  • @NirobHossain-jb3so
    @NirobHossain-jb3so 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I always use the code method from Tiago forte it helps me be selective regarding which things I capture in my notes .And my notes are just saved as a normal page in my project file.If you are curious I use "anytype"for notetaking it's simple to work with and something that I think should get more recognition

  • @JymCheong
    @JymCheong 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is so good because it really reminds me that I am dumping too much into my notes! I switched from LogSeq to Obsidian not too long ago n it was those moment I wanted to get back to that note related to some TH-cam video & I was like "Man! what was the exact video title!??! I roughly remembered it as something related to scripting or outlining a video. Half & hour of searching LogSeq AND Obsidian got me no where... then it just took < than a minute in TH-cam search to find it...

    • @toolsontech
      @toolsontech  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This trap has hit me too many times, online search is so powerful and when we are making the note it all looks so obvious but in reality it isn't once our brain forgets the context. Looking at this example, I think the best way would be to just have a video notes with all thumbnails of good videos in a list to scroll through. But then, why do the work when you can just check your liked videos on youtube.

  • @KaneDodgson
    @KaneDodgson 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good advice is given here; thank you. My whole system collapsed earlier in the year, just before I went to the USA for two months to do research. I got myself into a PKM hole, so instead, I took a notebook, and that was it. What a revelation that I did not need a PKM tool at all. I used a modified bullet journal approach. Now home, I transfer only the most essential highlights to Capacities (previously Logseq), although I still like using Logseq as a personal reflective journal. I will stick to a notebook as my first input and only transfer limited essential knowledge to a longer-term app.
    On a side note, I really love that shirt, it is really nice

    • @toolsontech
      @toolsontech  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Exactly that, I'm sometimes amazed we can fill all these channels and blog posts with something that at it's core should be way easier. While I enjoy writing for journalling I don't for most of my notes but that's mostly due to my terrible handwriting.

  • @BartvanderHorst
    @BartvanderHorst 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you man, I just needed this.

    • @toolsontech
      @toolsontech  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      As I always say, if a video helps even one person then it was totally worth my time. Glad to hear you found it useful!

  • @djcata7474
    @djcata7474 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video, thanks!

  • @LaoKee
    @LaoKee หลายเดือนก่อน

    Recommended Note App?? Sorry I didn't Catch up the name.

    • @toolsontech
      @toolsontech  20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I'm personally a great fan of Logseq, but based on the video I would pick something you're already familiar with and simplify first then pick a tool that fits you instead of you working around a tool. I love journals, linking and outlines -> Logseq. Buddy of mine loves long form writing and organized notes-> Obsidian.
      If you got some details on the workflow I would love to point you in the right direction.

  • @oleksandrbasov9049
    @oleksandrbasov9049 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Absolutely agree with you.

    • @toolsontech
      @toolsontech  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks, glad to know I'm not alone in these thoughts.

  • @tamouse
    @tamouse 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Loved this take, Bas!! 💯

    • @toolsontech
      @toolsontech  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks, it was a personal issue that I really wanted to voice, I'm glad you like it.

  • @voldefox
    @voldefox 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nice video. When will you make the next video about Logseq?

    • @toolsontech
      @toolsontech  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I got a few planned and a lot of ideas to talk about when the DB version is out of alpha. But like you I'm waiting for releases to pick back up once this crunch period is over.

    • @stevefromsouthafrica
      @stevefromsouthafrica 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@toolsontechI’m using Logseq as core of PKM, and it has really come alive for me since I’ve committed to Interstitial Journaling. The journal aspect transcends “management” of knowledge, but I haven’t come up with another word for what’s actually going on in this system, but it’s in line with some ideas in this video around distilling and synthesizing and making meaning out of information.

  • @SleeveZipper
    @SleeveZipper 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I use Apple Notes and Reminders, the standard apps nothing fancy, for all I need to remember. And then there's the Internet for the rest of it. If you need a PKM to set up and manage your PKM there's something weird going on :)

    • @toolsontech
      @toolsontech  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Apple Notes, from what I can tell not owning a mac, is a good balance between simplicity and features. Very often all you need is a place to just simply, put your notes and find them.

    • @SleeveZipper
      @SleeveZipper 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@toolsontech it can even interlink notes and the tagging combined with the smart folders makes it quite powerful even

  • @JimahoAlMabin
    @JimahoAlMabin 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "It's a solution to a problem neurotyicals have created, costing us hours each day to maintain useless information they still expect us to remember half a year later."

    • @toolsontech
      @toolsontech  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Of course, the neurotypicals don't even realize they are doing this. But this rings so true, and they are in shock when I show them I have a project in Todoist with reminders for all of that. Why would you plan that? Euhm, because else I forget?
      As mentioned though, everybody forgets and I would argue that being on the spectrum we worry about it more because we are so aware that we are outside that range.

    • @JimahoAlMabin
      @JimahoAlMabin 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@toolsontech Mh, true - while there certainly are a few claiming I simply don't care about other people (guys, if I didn't I wouldn't spend so much time on keeping track of those things), most people don't actually complain when I forget something. I'm mostly nagging myself.

    • @Alex5000148
      @Alex5000148 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Is there such a thing as a neurotypical person? Doesn't every individual have different cognitive abilities and deficiencies?

    • @toolsontech
      @toolsontech  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Alex5000148 This is true, this is also why it's s spectrum and things get measured on how much it affects a person. My girlfriend has a good saying, we all need to go to the bathroom but if you need to go 30 times a day then that's a problem.

  • @aldenfalkofficial
    @aldenfalkofficial 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    awesome video, new subscriber from sweden, have a nice day

    • @toolsontech
      @toolsontech  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for the compliments!

  • @nickmurdaugh9856
    @nickmurdaugh9856 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A system should only be as complex as it needs to be to get the job done toward the accomplishment of a goal. And aside from being too complex, most people's systems have too much friction build in.

    • @toolsontech
      @toolsontech  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Excellent point, adding complexity and too much friction. Really think people should be okay with messing around and letting go.

  • @adriansrfr
    @adriansrfr 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How to tell me you have no pkm or a terrible pkm without telling me you have a terrible pkm or no pkm. Good rant for those stuck in the same boat.

    • @toolsontech
      @toolsontech  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      My PKM is horrible in so many ways. I have seen amazing notes as well but that requires a level of diligence or time that I think few people actually have. As the saying goes, my notes is are clean enough to be healthy but messy enough to be happy. Or was that for cleaning, let me check my notes....

  • @saschiiiiii
    @saschiiiiii 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Really unnecessary to have such a clickbaity title. The content is not that bad but I don’t like the way you present it.

    • @stevecarter8810
      @stevecarter8810 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's why I clicked. Let's see if I feel conned

    • @toolsontech
      @toolsontech  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I get the sentiment and agree, it's why I try and give a good matching summary in the description. But it's also part of how the game is played on TH-cam and this video is doing really well stat wise.

    • @stevefromsouthafrica
      @stevefromsouthafrica 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@toolsontechThe title gave me the appropriate jolt, as someone who reviews my system too often. Caring more about your system than about what the system is there to achieve is a real concern, and the essence of this video was sensible and wise, and made me pause and reflect on why I’m doing what I’m doing.

    • @toolsontech
      @toolsontech  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@stevefromsouthafrica It's been amazing to read all the comments from people that just needed that jolt. This is why I run a channel. Thanks for the great feedback!

    • @emotionalmindedstate
      @emotionalmindedstate 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@stevefromsouthafrica what does JOLT mean?

  • @GigaCrafty
    @GigaCrafty 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Productivity is stupid

    • @toolsontech
      @toolsontech  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      As someone who's been trying to be more productive for decades now, totally agree

  • @coc2912
    @coc2912 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes, you don't need to collecting everything, you don't need to write everything.

  • @davdelven
    @davdelven 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Interesting take, but hold up! 🤔 This anti-PKM rant might be throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Sure, over-complicating is bad, but good PKM can be a game-changer for many. Not everyone can wing it with minimal notes. Plus, relying solely on Google? Risky business, my friend! 😅
    Let's not forget the joy of rediscovering old ideas or the power of connecting thoughts over time. Maybe instead of ditching PKM, we just need to make it work smarter, not harder. Just sayin'! 🤓✌

    • @toolsontech
      @toolsontech  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Agree with the working smarter and with not trusting a google search for sure. In the end I should have focused on the point that a lot of people spend too much time adding to their system and not enough on reconnecting with it and focusing on the thoughts they have captured. Smarter isn't automating input, it's thinking about personal output and how to revisit thoughts we had.

    • @davdelven
      @davdelven 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@toolsontech Agree, then. Retrieval is key,

    • @toolsontech
      @toolsontech  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Absolutely, it's like what they say about backups. Nobody cares about backups, everybody cares about recovery. It's the same with notes, if I can't get to them, then I might as well have never made them.

    • @davdelven
      @davdelven 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@toolsontech Good analogy! How many metadata is necessary for an efficient information retrieval? How much we rely on our minds? How much manual work we'd like to afford within the era of automation?

    • @Fred-ui6zk
      @Fred-ui6zk 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      As I understand it, it's not about the amount, but more about the amount which feels comfy for you as a person to cope with ! So don't overdo it by collecting everything you see or hear. Be selective and don't be stressed to miss out on some details. ;-)
      (btw I like to video)

  • @gedankenbalance
    @gedankenbalance 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    But i just love so much information i encounter... damn... i hate videos that tell me the truth. gotta safe that in my pkm for later, maybe transcribe and tag it... damn there it is again. 😂

    • @toolsontech
      @toolsontech  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I only know that feeling so well. And that one time you get the exact note you made is a mad dopamine rush. But at what cost. 😅

  • @GustavoMontanha
    @GustavoMontanha 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Well, PKM allows some to... mantain a profitable youtube channel or PKM courses teaching about... PKM. As long as there are consumers, there's a product demand. So you can see it as a product. It's a self contained system.

    • @toolsontech
      @toolsontech  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      True, and lets face it, I do run a channel though it's not even close to profitable. That said, there are people that do need a complex system, but I think for most people they don't need to get a system as complex as a lot of the PKM guru's claim.

  • @vxer
    @vxer 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am early