Benedict Arnold is my distant relative. Recently, I have begun to try to understand this man. I appreciate your views of Arnold to cast a different light on his successes and eventual downfall. Please recommend any further readings of his life and his relatives.
It's not his views it's called fact ... Arnold was done a hell of a lot more wrong by his country than he committed treason if you can even call it that he actually saved this country multiple times and then due to circumstances aka falling in love decided to have a have a change of heart and wanted a new life I call growing up and end up in another country and had to them fight for them and in turn finally got his due that he should have got in America,no two wrongs make a right but in this case Arnold earned his pass in my eyes .. nothing to be ashamed being his relative a hard life changes people and he was no exception ,but the truth should be taught in schools but also people should do a little research themselves instead of believing anything they see on TV or are told ,I found out when doing a project on the revolutionary war in 5th grade and came to school withy encyclopedia Britannica telling the teacher about how alot if things aren't all true and things are left out and she brushed it under the rug and said not to be confusing everyone lol
@dmac7403 That objective truth upsets people. Most of my family were Loyalist in the back country of S.C. The Whigs had a narrow view of liberty. Arnold was treated like dirt by the Whigs.
Sure it is. Maybe not from k5-12th as they wouldn't have the time to teach such specifics in detail. However it certainly can be learned on a college level. Education today teaches much more than it did yesterday. That's an objective truth.
Arnold's career in the Continental Army provides an excellent example of the saying "Let no good deed go unpunished." With respect to whether or not the "American Cause" was working against him I would argue it was not, but rather he had the misfortune of catching the ire of jealous comrades perhaps due in part to a lack of people skills.
Brilliant but abrasive with a scant regards for authority and hierarchy which made enemies of lesser able and insecure colleagues. Just like Robert Rogers
I'm thinking that if Arnold had been treated fairly and given proper credit and promotions, the war may have ended sooner. We needed an aggressive and tactically smart general on the patriot side for the entire war.
The book 'Jefferson in Virginia', focusing on Jefferson's time as Governor of Virginia in 1780, has a good bit how Arnold, now a colonel with the British, attacked Richmond and established a base at Petersburg. Another example of his military skills, knowing he would not have the men to move into the interior and also garrison Petersburg, he first moved inland, raiding Richmond and causing much distress before establishing the base at Petersburg. He kept the Virginians off balance with his small force. The following year Cornwallis did the opposite, sitting at Yorktown and waiting the French and Americans to win the war.
Benedict Arnold is a distant cousin of mine. William Arnold, the first of the Arnold line to come to America (and one of the 12 founding members of the first Baptist Church in America in Providence, Rhode Island) and father of Governor Arnold, is my 10th great grandfather. My 4th great grandfather, Caleb Haskell from Newburyport, Massachusetts was with Benedict Arnold's expedition to Quebec in 1775-6. After recovering from smallpox, about two weeks into 1776, Caleb and other members of his company (Captain Samuel Ward's company of Lt. Col. Christopher Greene's battalion) were court-martialed for refusal to follow orders. Caleb wrote in his diary that their enlistments had expired at the end of 1775. This seems to have been Colonel Arnold acting on orders from General Wooster to maintain manpower in the army despite the fact that their enlistments had expired. They were put under house arrest and threatened with "stripes" if they did not comply. According to Caleb's diary, he and the other men in the company decided that "arbitrary rule prevailed" and did what they were told. Caleb didn't get a pass to leave until May on the day the British attacked (he had already set off for home up the St. Lawrence toward the Richelieu, when they were informed that the whole army was in retreat). He finally made it home down the Crown Point Military road to Newburyport on the coast. I had a t-shirt made that says "Arbitrary Rule Prevails" in honor of Caleb.
They still have the burning of a straw scare crow of Arnold every September dont they? Arolds wife Peggy Jezzabelle Shippen is 1st cousins of my Virginia Ancestors! Im not ashamed! 🇺🇸
This historian got Arnold's history correct until the end of the lecture. He left out several significant facts. The spineless Joseph Reed's Kangaroo court fined Arnold a large amount, which Arnold couldn't pay for a crime he never committed. He had 4 young children and would have not been able to support them. He also doesn't mention his new wife was very friendly with the British spy John Andre during the British occupation of Philadelphia. It was his wife who knew Andre very well and arranged the start of the plan to fight back against the spineless Continental congress. Kirby also left out the choice for Arnold was to be disabled, bankrupt unable to feed his family after losing every dollar he had to pay for supplies for his soldiers, or take what would be today more than $500,000 payment from the British to leave the US Army. Mr. Kirby, I am a double-board certified psychiatrist and in my opinion, after reading more than 15 books on Arnold, he didn't have any "character flaws". Don't practice medicine without a license.
Kenneth Roberts made great attempts at rehabilitating the tarnished reputations of both Benedict Arnold and Robert Rogers in his hugely successful bestselling historical fiction books back in the 1930's. Reading between the lines, both Arnold and Rogers were brilliantly talented at what they did but had scant regards for authority and abrasive natures which endeared them to few and certainly would have brought a lot of jealousy from less competent but more politically astute military colleagues waiting to jump upon their mistakes - those pouting, sulking and whining little men, prade ground officers were waiting to pounce
Thank you for this excellently narrated story of Benedict Arnold. i just finished watching the AMC series TURN and i think they depict Benedict Arnold well in this series. But im wondering if there was more character flaws to this man than we know of, why was he so despised? despite helping the cause for freedom for the colonies and giving up a very successful venture as a merchant, it would seem like Arnold was either hated or revered. Either way he was obviously very hurt and felt betrayed himself, he was certainly a very interesting and courageous man, its very sad even Washington couldn't protect him even though Washington praised him.
Very moving insight about this man's life and role in the American Revolution. And very nicely done. I can't help but refer to a gist from Napoleon's Memoirs I found. " History is but a fable agreed upon" Bravo!
Hello Russell. Thank you for your comment. I suppose the Question you should be trying to come to terms with, is what makes a person become traitor or acceptable. Sold out by your friends, befriended by your enemy and never trusted, and then reclaimed by your country of birth in a foreign country. Russell I find history fascinating. We have so much of it and yet persist in revolving in circles instead of the progressing beyond. Thanks again for your comment. La Mecanicien.
I like your explanation Russell. But the man was quit a good dancer on the battle field with the Brits. Going of the mark a bit, Robert Rogers. Now there's a man who got the era right by me. He knew all about sulking, pouting, whining little men and never betrayed either side. A bit like me maybe lol. La Mecanicien.
@@roberthiorns7584 unfortunately, the abrasive nature and military brilliance of both Arnold and Rogers brought about the ire and jealousy of those sulking, whining, pouting little men - those lesser officers around them
The American War of Independence or the American Revolutionary War as the same conflict is known on each respective side of the ‘pond,’ it was however above anything else really a “Civil War”, a conflict fought amongst the same peoples, albeit ones separated by an Ocean & along with it nevertheless, one which still contained all the stresses, strains & paradoxes of such! It could also be equally, justifiably known & perhaps rightfully renamed, as either the “Second English or British Civil War” or even as the “First American Civil War”, to better explain it & render its depiction & description more accurately & truthfully in historical contexts & perspectives, especially with hindsight of the now 250 intervening years. Hence for subsequent generations, to still be able to fully appreciate, comprehend & draw both inspiration & edification from its valuable, ongoing legacies & traditions!!
@@KevinGSmith-mi8js “My” research? I had a research assignment?? Oh, no! When was it due? Is it too late to turn it in? Can I still get credit/partial credit for it?
Tam M I agree! , it could be said that the “Americans “ were traitors. To the Crown of England!!! Read the Treaty of France 1783, the Congressional Act of 1871. The Corporation, USA is owned by the Crown of England. So essentially the rebel Americans were treasonous subjects. The Redcoats were sent to suppress the uprising, only to withdraw in order to keep the cash cow alive. Believe it or not, we Americans do not have a country to call our own. UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is a British business venture to this very day. I wish it wasn’t true. God bless!
When you dont appreciate the sacrifices of your heroes, you are sure lose their loyalty. Washington was too conflict adverse to stand up for himself at times, why would Arnold ever have expected Washington to stick his neck out on his (Arnold’s) behalf? Arnold was too enamoured of aristocracy to gain the love and respect of those he was trying to serve, humility which is the mark of a true leader, Arnold lacked. Sometimes, being right isnt the most important thing, and making sure everyone knowing that you were right only makes them hate you more.
Rothchilds won, they own the Associated press, Controlling interest in ABC, CBS, NBC, THE “FEDERAL” RESERVE. Council on foreign affairs, The Crown of England, (who own the corporation UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ). So I believe that Eric is up on things, my friend. Best wishes in your studies. Treaty of Paris, Congressional Act of 1871. The rabbit hole goes deep. Rothchilds hijacked Prussia/ Germany in the 17th century, France and The UK in the 18th century. Europe in the 20th. Squashed “state’s rights” during the Civil War. Look at your civil war photos/portraits with just about every general on both sides, Presidents Abe, and Davis all sporting the “hidden hand” time to red pill.
Thank you for this excellently narrated story of Benedict Arnold. i just finished watching the AMC series TURN and i think they depict Benedict Arnold well in this series. But im wondering if there was more character flaws to this man than we know of, why was he so despised? despite helping the cause for freedom for the colonies and giving up a very successful venture as a merchant, it would seem like Arnold was either hated or revered. Either way he was obviously very hurt and felt betrayed himself, he was certainly a very interesting and courageous man, its very sad even Washington couldn't protect him even though Washington praised him.
I think turn portrays his probably character flaws thoroughly while also conveying his strengths. Ultimately the bitterness of pride & envy got the best of him. He was once respected & admired-and then became scorned-because he occupied a position of supposed honor & leadership, failed to comport himself with the integrity he was entrusted to uphold & almost lost the war for everyone as a result of his weakness. Where’s the disconnect?
This is excellent. Thank you very much for making and posting it.
Benedict Arnold is my distant relative. Recently, I have begun to try to understand this man. I appreciate your views of Arnold to cast a different light on his successes and eventual downfall. Please recommend any further readings of his life and his relatives.
Read James Kirby Martin's book Benedict Arnold Revolutionary Hero Reconsidered
Make up another lie
It's not his views it's called fact ... Arnold was done a hell of a lot more wrong by his country than he committed treason if you can even call it that he actually saved this country multiple times and then due to circumstances aka falling in love decided to have a have a change of heart and wanted a new life I call growing up and end up in another country and had to them fight for them and in turn finally got his due that he should have got in America,no two wrongs make a right but in this case Arnold earned his pass in my eyes .. nothing to be ashamed being his relative a hard life changes people and he was no exception ,but the truth should be taught in schools but also people should do a little research themselves instead of believing anything they see on TV or are told ,I found out when doing a project on the revolutionary war in 5th grade and came to school withy encyclopedia Britannica telling the teacher about how alot if things aren't all true and things are left out and she brushed it under the rug and said not to be confusing everyone lol
@dmac7403 That objective truth upsets people. Most of my family were Loyalist in the back country of S.C. The Whigs had a narrow view of liberty. Arnold was treated like dirt by the Whigs.
Arnolds wife Peggy Shippen is 1st cousins of my Virginia Ancestors. The Arnolds are my 1st cousins. IM AM NOT ASHAMED. 🇺🇸
His military accomplishments are unparalleled in the annals of history.
Bullshit
@@paulramon7860 what did you do for your country? How many battles did you win?
This is great can't wait to read some of this gentleman's books on the revolutionary war
Took his revolutionary war class at UH. He's amazing.
What a shame true history isn't taught in any of our schools.
Sure it is. Maybe not from k5-12th as they wouldn't have the time to teach such specifics in detail. However it certainly can be learned on a college level. Education today teaches much more than it did yesterday. That's an objective truth.
Arnold's career in the Continental Army provides an excellent example of the saying "Let no good deed go unpunished." With respect to whether or not the "American Cause" was working against him I would argue it was not, but rather he had the misfortune of catching the ire of jealous comrades perhaps due in part to a lack of people skills.
Brilliant but abrasive with a scant regards for authority and hierarchy which made enemies of lesser able and insecure colleagues. Just like Robert Rogers
I enjoyed this video thank you!
I'm thinking that if Arnold had been treated fairly and given proper credit and promotions, the war may have ended sooner. We needed an aggressive and tactically smart general on the patriot side for the entire war.
The book 'Jefferson in Virginia', focusing on Jefferson's time as Governor of Virginia in 1780, has a good bit how Arnold, now a colonel with the British, attacked Richmond and established a base at Petersburg. Another example of his military skills, knowing he would not have the men to move into the interior and also garrison Petersburg, he first moved inland, raiding Richmond and causing much distress before establishing the base at Petersburg. He kept the Virginians off balance with his small force. The following year Cornwallis did the opposite, sitting at Yorktown and waiting the French and Americans to win the war.
Awesome!!
Benedict Arnold is a distant cousin of mine. William Arnold, the first of the Arnold line to come to America (and one of the 12 founding members of the first Baptist Church in America in Providence, Rhode Island) and father of Governor Arnold, is my 10th great grandfather. My 4th great grandfather, Caleb Haskell from Newburyport, Massachusetts was with Benedict Arnold's expedition to Quebec in 1775-6. After recovering from smallpox, about two weeks into 1776, Caleb and other members of his company (Captain Samuel Ward's company of Lt. Col. Christopher Greene's battalion) were court-martialed for refusal to follow orders. Caleb wrote in his diary that their enlistments had expired at the end of 1775. This seems to have been Colonel Arnold acting on orders from General Wooster to maintain manpower in the army despite the fact that their enlistments had expired. They were put under house arrest and threatened with "stripes" if they did not comply. According to Caleb's diary, he and the other men in the company decided that "arbitrary rule prevailed" and did what they were told. Caleb didn't get a pass to leave until May on the day the British attacked (he had already set off for home up the St. Lawrence toward the Richelieu, when they were informed that the whole army was in retreat). He finally made it home down the Crown Point Military road to Newburyport on the coast. I had a t-shirt made that says "Arbitrary Rule Prevails" in honor of Caleb.
Im related thru 1st cousins and Peggy Shippen! My Virginia Ancestors.
This is incredible. I live near Norwich. Thank you for this!!
They still have the burning of a straw scare crow of Arnold every September dont they? Arolds wife Peggy Jezzabelle Shippen is 1st cousins of my Virginia Ancestors! Im not ashamed! 🇺🇸
This is truly the story of an inspiring man of great honor and great merit fallen to those who were without.
This historian got Arnold's history correct until the end of the lecture. He left out several significant facts. The spineless Joseph Reed's Kangaroo court fined Arnold a large amount, which Arnold couldn't pay for a crime he never committed. He had 4 young children and would have not been able to support them. He also doesn't mention his new wife was very friendly with the British spy John Andre during the British occupation of Philadelphia. It was his wife who knew Andre very well and arranged the start of the plan to fight back against the spineless Continental congress. Kirby also left out the choice for Arnold was to be disabled, bankrupt unable to feed his family after losing every dollar he had to pay for supplies for his soldiers, or take what would be today more than $500,000 payment from the British to leave the US Army. Mr. Kirby, I am a double-board certified psychiatrist and in my opinion, after reading more than 15 books on Arnold, he didn't have any "character flaws". Don't practice medicine without a license.
Arnold's wife Peggy Jezzabelle Shippen!!!!! Is 1st cousin's thru my Virginia Ancestors.
Kenneth Roberts made great attempts at rehabilitating the tarnished reputations of both Benedict Arnold and Robert Rogers in his hugely successful bestselling historical fiction books back in the 1930's.
Reading between the lines, both Arnold and Rogers were brilliantly talented at what they did but had scant regards for authority and abrasive natures which endeared them to few and certainly would have brought a lot of jealousy from less competent but more politically astute military colleagues waiting to jump upon their mistakes - those pouting, sulking and whining little men, prade ground officers were waiting to pounce
Very enlightening, about a year ago Jeff had a special on Arnold. Opened up more about the facts of the man, and not the myth agreed on.
Please record this again using both audio channels.
Did they do this in one take?
Why didn’t they re-shoot the intro to this and edit out the mistake about “legends and myths?” that was weird.
I read his book. Excellent.
You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
Thank you for covering my ancestor so well!
Your proud that your ancestor sold out his country. Fuck Arnold.
Fuck his relatives too. Lol
BTW Longhorns suck. Roll Tide
See my comments!
Thank you he is my 10 th great grandfather
Thank you for this excellently narrated story of Benedict Arnold. i just finished watching the AMC series TURN and i think they depict Benedict Arnold well in this series. But im wondering if there was more character flaws to this man than we know of, why was he so despised? despite helping the cause for freedom for the colonies and giving up a very successful venture as a merchant, it would seem like Arnold was either hated or revered. Either way he was obviously very hurt and felt betrayed himself, he was certainly a very interesting and courageous man, its very sad even Washington couldn't protect him even though Washington praised him.
Thanks!
Very moving insight about this man's life and role in the American Revolution. And very nicely done. I can't help but refer to a gist from Napoleon's Memoirs I found. " History is but a fable agreed upon" Bravo!
Thank you for you time and video, good day Sir.
Good commanding officers matter ;)
Sounds to me like Joseph reed was a troublemaker
He created a smear campaign to ruin Arnolds character! There was no evidence.
Very well put and greatly entertaining.
Benedict Arnold, for me a true Libertine who wasn't afraid to lead from the front that's why we took him back.
Hello Russell. Thank you for your comment.
I suppose the Question you should be trying to come to terms with, is what makes a person become traitor or acceptable.
Sold out by your friends, befriended by your enemy and never trusted, and then reclaimed by your country of birth in a foreign country.
Russell I find history fascinating. We have so much of it and yet persist in revolving in circles instead of the progressing beyond.
Thanks again for your comment. La Mecanicien.
I like your explanation Russell. But the man was quit a good dancer on the battle field with the Brits.
Going of the mark a bit, Robert Rogers. Now there's a man who got the era right by me.
He knew all about sulking, pouting, whining little men and never betrayed either side.
A bit like me maybe lol.
La Mecanicien.
@@roberthiorns7584 unfortunately, the abrasive nature and military brilliance of both Arnold and Rogers brought about the ire and jealousy of those sulking, whining, pouting little men - those lesser officers around them
The American War of Independence or the American Revolutionary War as the same conflict is known on each respective side of the ‘pond,’ it was however above anything else really a “Civil War”, a conflict fought amongst the same peoples, albeit ones separated by an Ocean & along with it nevertheless, one which still contained all the stresses, strains & paradoxes of such!
It could also be equally, justifiably known & perhaps rightfully renamed, as either the “Second English or British Civil War” or even as the “First American Civil War”, to better explain it & render its depiction & description more accurately & truthfully in historical contexts & perspectives, especially with hindsight of the now 250 intervening years. Hence for subsequent generations, to still be able to fully appreciate, comprehend & draw both inspiration & edification from its valuable, ongoing legacies & traditions!!
cao cao i would rather betray the world than have the world betray me.
Hes a misunderstood man! And that remains like it is at the present time!
Benedict Arnold was literally a “Benedict Arnold.”
If you did your research your research you would understand!
@@KevinGSmith-mi8js
“My” research? I had a research assignment?? Oh, no! When was it due? Is it too late to turn it in? Can I still get credit/partial credit for it?
Benedict Arnold's wife is 1st cousins of my Virginia Ancestors.
The Frank Grimes of American history
Treason is no joke, well back then, today it’s common
Reincarnated did Benedict Arnold as one General George Custer, then as one General George Patton, then as one Donald J Trump.
I wouldn't call Arnold a traitor if he was given the recognition he deserved things may have been different.
Tam M I agree! , it could be said that the “Americans “ were traitors. To the Crown of England!!! Read the Treaty of France 1783, the Congressional Act of 1871. The Corporation, USA is owned by the Crown of England. So essentially the rebel Americans were treasonous subjects. The Redcoats were sent to suppress the uprising, only to withdraw in order to keep the cash cow alive. Believe it or not, we Americans do not have a country to call our own. UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is a British business venture to this very day. I wish it wasn’t true. God bless!
2 Constutions!
When you dont appreciate the sacrifices of your heroes, you are sure lose their loyalty. Washington was too conflict adverse to stand up for himself at times, why would Arnold ever have expected Washington to stick his neck out on his (Arnold’s) behalf? Arnold was too enamoured of aristocracy to gain the love and respect of those he was trying to serve, humility which is the mark of a true leader, Arnold lacked. Sometimes, being right isnt the most important thing, and making sure everyone knowing that you were right only makes them hate you more.
100% Especially when dealing with those whose ability is far inferior
@@MajorRobertRogersRanger Yes...Those, whose ability is far inferior, but whose power and influence is far greater.
Was this about Obama
Miller Angela Wilson Sharon Martinez Jennifer
Jackson Brenda Williams Matthew Garcia Linda
he wasn't a Freemason, that was his downfall.
Mark Hill Agreed sir!
He literally was are you daft
Gee can this guy form a complete thought?
Arnold was a great strategists. but most do not know they were fighting the rothchilds
ERIC SABLICK what was the point of even mentioning the “Rothchilds” ?? That was just incredible irreverent.
Rothchilds won, they own the Associated press, Controlling interest in ABC, CBS, NBC, THE “FEDERAL” RESERVE. Council on foreign affairs, The Crown of England, (who own the corporation UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ). So I believe that Eric is up on things, my friend. Best wishes in your studies. Treaty of Paris, Congressional Act of 1871. The rabbit hole goes deep. Rothchilds hijacked Prussia/ Germany in the 17th century, France and The UK in the 18th century. Europe in the 20th. Squashed “state’s rights” during the Civil War. Look at your civil war photos/portraits with just about every general on both sides, Presidents Abe, and Davis all sporting the “hidden hand” time to red pill.
Nancy Pelosi
Lmao 🤣
Think your Republican partisan side is showing. Too bad this party has lost its way and is ultimately treasonous to America presently.
Traitor
What country are you from?
Thank you for this excellently narrated story of Benedict Arnold. i just finished watching the AMC series TURN and i think they depict Benedict Arnold well in this series. But im wondering if there was more character flaws to this man than we know of, why was he so despised? despite helping the cause for freedom for the colonies and giving up a very successful venture as a merchant, it would seem like Arnold was either hated or revered. Either way he was obviously very hurt and felt betrayed himself, he was certainly a very interesting and courageous man, its very sad even Washington couldn't protect him even though Washington praised him.
I think turn portrays his probably character flaws thoroughly while also conveying his strengths. Ultimately the bitterness of pride & envy got the best of him. He was once respected & admired-and then became scorned-because he occupied a position of supposed honor & leadership, failed to comport himself with the integrity he was entrusted to uphold & almost lost the war for everyone as a result of his weakness.
Where’s the disconnect?
I wish Rogers had gotten Washington! 😅