You Laugh, You Lose [FFXIV Edition]
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Raubahn story always gets me
I need that link XD
After reading your comment it made click for me, lol. Thanks dude!
Oh my god that KILLED me
Simply class , the cost me an arm bit had me SUS asf
I legitimately did not see that coming lmao
I'm personally offended at the horsefondant part lmao
It still hurts me to this day
@Kaligath why do you do this to me ? :'(
@Kaligath you're a horrible, horrible person :D but you made me laugh
First time hearing that Raubahn story and I'm glad I didn't look at the comments. I fell harder than my Dragoon doing elusive jump in the wrong direction in an raid AoE
Bruh i only noticed this because I just played through this scene last night before watching this video I’m fucking in tears from laughter over the story
That part with Haurchefant is just too cruel T^T
Zenos is a breath of fresh morbol breath. It's a break from all the great villains we've had on Shadowbringers so far. In the end of 5.3 MSQ I was like, "Finally, these 2 assholes I can finally hate unconditionally."
If it makes you feel better, Eli isn't even a person and Emet mostly isn't one. Once you're tempered you've basically no agency. Emet was basically an evil robot by the time you meet him in game.
@@arsarma1808 Emet wasn't tempered...but honestly, he deserved a good ass-whooping simply for being responsible for Allag, and probably also Mhach. Nothing good ever came out of either place.
That FC story was literally the Crystal Braves in a nutshell.
Zenos in Stormblood: _boring ass dude_
Zenos in Shadowbringers: _boring ass AFK dude_
Zenos in [next expansion]: _SE is gonna make us cry for this guy? yeah, SE is gonna make us cry for this guy... don't fucking do this to us again SE!_
yes do this to us again SE! o/
I'm ready for this exact thing. xD
I think what makes Zenos great is *exactly* the fact that he's a total irredeemable monster, and redeeming him would destroy his entire point of being. He's every negative trait that the WoL, due to how powerful they are, could possibly have, all stuck into a single person, the willingness to fight, easily getting bored and disinterested in everything that's not a challenge and seeing fighting as it's own meaning, consequences be damned, like what we learn about the WoL from the DRK questline. The difference is that the WoL doesn't have a complete lack of empathy and understands that while they may enjoy fighting for it's own sake, they know better than to make it their one and only reason for living. Zenos just does not care about anything else, which is why his every plot is entirely to give himself a challenge. He's a shadow of the WoL, hell now he even changed Jobs to a completely new one, no doubt already mastering it by the time we see him in EW. Just as a player would change jobs between expansions because they just wanted to play something new.
Damn, that end... maybe I’m just thirsty for Zenos, I’m at that part where it’s like “You have a lot of nerve being alive.” And I still love him.
the FC kick story
I had to get up and find a hat just so I could take my hat before that person
they got me good
Me too lmao I was so invested and then just like 🤦♂️ 🤣
That Raubahn one was really fucking clever
Honestly I didn't hate Zenos, but I wasn't thrilled about him coming back either. I think he worked well for Stormblood's story, but we'll have to see what development 6.0 brings to him
Ya its gonna take a bit to make him a memorable main villan. He is cool but currently he is just that guy that wont die. With how well they wrote Emet selc I'm kinda hoping he gets some redemption in the next expac
@@heartfullbutterfly314 People have been clowning on the ascians since 1.0. It wasn't until ShB that people actually started to like them and that's because they had a competent writer doing it. If she's writing for next expansion you bet Zenos is finally gonna get his time to shine.
imo what makes zenos fun is the fact that he's one dimensional, he's just lunatic wanting a good fight and i can respect that.
Zenos is basically Sephiroth 2.0. A bishie murder hobo set up against the protag who's characterized as more a force of nature than a man.
The fact that the writer from Shadowbringers is working on Endwalker (and thus Zenos) is going to make him even better. We're going to see what Sephiroth (or at least a Sephiroth-like) looks like as a central antag done right.
@@CloakofAuron part of me doesn't want him to change since i think that kinda cheapens what he was before like i can't see Zenos being the type to have elaborate plans or some deep motive.
8:09
Oof... I still haven't gotten over that death.
T-T RIP You Beautiful Man!!
Hey Vauthry! (And only Vauthry)
FATASS!!
@@CryBlueofZ (Continues shoveling meol down throat)
Me: *checks comments and sees the Zenos discourse* ah shit here we go again
He’s not the best villain but I wouldn’t say he’s the worst. He’s functional for Stormblood but if they want to use him beyond that he needs to be developed more. He has potential and I’m just hoping they use it. Even villians like Sephiroth were actually fairly boring in their first appearance; to me, most of Sephiroth’s depth came from Crisis Core and not the original FFVII.
Zenos is...divisive, to say the least. Personally, I don’t mind him at all; However, I feel like Stormblood could have put the supplementary story about him (The Hunt Begins) into the game proper and that would have improved his depiction.
The wandering minstrel that unlocks the extreme trials says that Zenos is “a pitiable man who feels naught save at the edge of death.”
To me, especially in patch 5.3, Zenos just seems sad. That’s the side of him I want to see; we’ve already seen him give dramatic speeches on rooftops and possess gods. I want to know about the dude who sleeps in a chair (that has to be uncomfortable, right?) and has dreamt about the apocalypse his entire life, the one who’s first and only ‘friend’ is his enemy. Let’s just hope they deliver.
That being said, his English voice actor kills it though, regardless of your view on his character lmao
He had 4 years to get potential. He's stll the same. He's bad.
@@Blagno4 the Ascians were bad for 4 years too and now everyone is gushing over Emet-Selch and Elidibus (for good reason.) it’s never too late. I’d rather get it now than never.
@@Blagno4 and I posit that he’s always had potential; he just hasn’t had it used. Most characters have potential upon inception but not all of them have that potential utilized in an interesting way or utilized at all.
oki am NOT a huge fan of ff7.. by sephiroth was the least boring villain in ff. his intro was him burning a town.
@@azadalamiq I like Sephiroth; I never said his intro was boring. But if we want to simplify it, he’s basically an alien momma’s boy arsonist. A snappy intro doesn’t make a great villain. Certainly Sephiroth was a step up from previous my eyes but the majority of his depth and humanity came from Crisis Core. In FF7, he does backflips, confuses Cloud, and turns into a tentacle angel.
I actually really like Sephiroth. He’s iconic, he’s well-designed, and I find his fall from grace and his narrative foil to Cloud make the game better. There’s a reason why no one will shut up about the man.
But a lot of my fondness for Sephiroth comes from Crisis Core. His friendship with Angeal, Genesis, and Zack ultimately made him a better character. A more understandable character. He’s a somber, lonely man, a test subject-
This wasn’t supposed to turn into a Sephiroth rant, damn it-
TL;DR: final fantasy villains can improve after their first appearances.
But yes, lighting a town on fire is certainly a way to make a entrance.
Definitely understand all the hate that Zenos gets...hell, I'll even go so far as to say he deserves it. That said, he's a "guilty pleasure villain" of mine...if such a thing even exists. I just like how simple his motivation is. No grand design to wipe out nations, no high ambition to rule the world, no sinister plot to bring about the end of existence....dude's just looking for a good fight. That's all. And I kinda like that about him since it was different from the standard FF Villain of the Day. Again, though: I'm not here to try and argue that he was worth resurrecting, in fact I fully agree he should have stayed dead. Just saying that I liked him for what he was. :P
That Raubahn one still gets me!😂😂😂
4:29 was funny, i really thought it was someone really going through tht lol
Omg, that FC story rused me so good lol
I loved Zenos until I realized 4.0 was just an introduction to him in the grand scheme of things and Yoshi P has spent the past 4 years teasing us about how awesome he is and all the cool things he’s gonna do.
that fuckin raubahn one gets me everytime, amazing.
"if you lose to thancred you can lost to anyone" niether true or funny, and a very confusing statement.
I love those story posts that turn out to be about characters lol
They’re genuinely the best lmao
Zenos was only brought back bc of that dumptruck he got.
8:32 CLEARLY they forgot about Livia sas Junius.
Livia was a minor antagonist and stayed dead. Zenos was good in Stormblood, but didn't really need to come back. 6.0's gonna be weird.
@@jedimasterpickle3 6.0 Stormblood: Endgame
Zenos : I am inevitable.
Honestly, they did Livia and Rhithatyn dirty. Both of the other forgettable ARR baddies returned and became much better characters in later arcs but they never got to be cool.
@@Bladehound83 Honestly I think it was necessary for at least one Garlean to die. Shows that Eorzea is an actual threat. Could have been interesting if Livia lived and returned around the same time as Gaius. Rhithatyn...I don't remember if he actually had a personality or not. These characters were designed to be disposable villains to start off our journey. Gaius maybe had some significance to 1.0 players, but the rest...well, they played their role.
@@jedimasterpickle3 He was the generic local converted to the conquerors' cause.
“Zenos is the worst villain”
Me and the boys: **readies pitchforks**
They hated them for they told the truth
@@GrimFables Zenos is the best.....
alone for all the Zenos x WoL fanart
But he is so one dimensional. How can you defend that?
Sivrn Val wooooosh
@@Sivrn-Val Being one dimensional makes him simple, and that can make him scary IF done right.
No fucking way, mate. Zenos is my rival.
I’m surprised people see Zenos as a villain. He’s an antagonist in the sense he is in an obstacle to overcome by the MC, but his personality and actions are more along the lines of a psychopathic rival than an actual villain.
The guy saves our lives twice just for an opportunity to fight us and is so badass. I hones can’t hate him, I love him!
Only kills our allies and brings about doomsday if not the straight up end of the world. Yknow, that lovable rival thing you do.
Bucket of water on the doorpost, buzzer in your hand, whoopie cushion, bringing about the apocalypse. So quirky
Oldbro ends up almost causing a calamity
I love fighting Zenos.
He is one of the few characters in the game that understands and has the same mindset as me.
Totally should have died halfway through stormblood though. That plan was solid.
1:15 I just laughed so hard, oh god... Ow. I'm not sure anything can top that. Not even touching the fact Estinien's name was wrong. Pffft... Fuck, I'ma gonna piss myself... (Also, the Gubal books are primo reads.)
8:35 Okay, I was literally thinking of making this exact fucking meme (but with the WoL's head plastered on the body) while using the loo the other day, so I'm glad someone did it for me. Thank you for saying it!!
HE LITERALLY SPENT ALMOST ALL OF SHADOWBRINGERS SITTING IN THE SAME FUCKING CHAIR DOING NOTHING. HOW IS THAT INTERESTING. SE gave us Emet-fucking-Selch and then expects me to get hype for this lame-ass, one-note villain?! Please. I hope Zenos is scrapped quickly and someone better fills the role. Fandaniel may be extra af, but at least he has some interesting motives and the fearful fact he can't be reasoned with because he dgaf if he loses--truly chaotic evil, and that's far more interesting than some boring blond guy sits in a thrown and jacks off to a pic of your WoL while crying about how he's too stronk and no one can challenge him. Even though his big final boss fight was one of the easiest in the damn game.
....Sorry, I feel very strongly about this. :/ I know you're supposed to dislike the villain, but I don't think it's supposed to be for this reason.
sorry, but Zenos did NOT sit in a chair for all of ShB.
i can elaborate further if you wish
@@captaine-niscookie3406 See also: Hyperbole.
But honestly, not by much. Here's all the scenes of Zenos from 5.0 to 5.5, including the non-voiced scenes with enough time to read (sorry, the first one I found was the Chinese dub and I don't care enough to look harder for English). He kills daddy, reclaims his body in the most contrived plot device ever, and sits in a chair for literally half of his entire screen time. Everything from about 14 to 28 minutes in his 32 minutes of screen time is him sitting in a chair, either silent or mooning over his BFF the WoL.
Regardless of how literal you take it, he's a poorly written character with boring motives, very little screen presence, and worst of all.... he's easy. For all the ample buildup to the big showdown with him, it's a cakewalk.
I'm willing to give characters the chance to evolve and change and become interesting. Yda, for example, was the worst, and while I don't think her reveal as Lyse was the most organically done, I appreciated her overhaul. But to bring back a boring villain only to have him sit in a damn chair and continue being boring, when he wasn't even an epic fight? Please. Spare me.
@@captaine-niscookie3406 Also, please don't get into Endwalker content, I'm a broke ass bitch who can't pay her sub rn, so I haven't had the pleasure of digging in yet. So if you respond to tell me how I'm a stupid bitch with poor taste or whatever, that's cool. Just leave 6.0 out of it, yeah?
@@Prizzlesticks I'll be totally frank, I haven't finished ShB so I can't quite argue lol
I'll make a proper response once I renew my sub and get to EW
P.S. totally agree with your statement involving Lyse
@@Prizzlesticks in the meantime, I'll take a minute to elaborate what I meant when I said he didn't sit in a chair(prior to any patch quests):
When I said he didn't sit in a chair for all of ShB, I didn't mean as a disagreement with your hyperbole, but rather in disagreement with the whole fact. For most of ShB Zenos was dead, and his body possessed by an Ascian. He also didn't really "do" much cuz of his casual seppuku at the end of SB. So instead, while his corpse is possessed by an Ascian, he possessed some rando Garlean soldier and confronts his possessed self(that's as far as I am in the Estinien/Gaius subplot). But, of course, I could be totally off the mark since I'm not done with it, but that's my current take on it. But I'd love to hear more about your interpretations of his cutscenes, maybe we can both find extra clarity from this diacussion
2:40 when I was doing the new alliance raid my dog spilt my milk all over my desk lmao it’s too accurate
You should make a second one, this was really good!
Idk man. I like the guy who is like "Fight good, no fight bad". Horrible abusive tendencies aside, he's a lot of fun and I genuinely enjoyed playing Survival mode in his fights in Stormblood.
Also nearly every Ascian is a punk bitch compared to Zenos. So nah. Ascians talk nothing but shit only to clean the floor with their tongues at the behest of the WoL. Zenos kicked our ass like 3 times.
This video has not aged well with the announcement of Endwalker with Zenos. Oof lol
No kidding. I mean, even when this video was made I already knew Zenos would be the big bad in the next one but sort of wished it wasn't to the eventual extent it did end up going to.
but...but i like zenos ;-;
2:23 PS4 also has the glorious 'Click the Right-Stick in for First Person'. So it could have at least been a little better.
ps4 can also take screenshots
I mean guys, you shit talk Zenos but your alternative is World of Warcrafts sylvannas redemption story arch in shadowlands so... Prove me wrong y'all got the better end of the stick 10 times out of 10.
Like I get zenos is boring because ive also seen that character type before, but at the same type I like it cause he owns up to it. Man just likes fighting. Let him have it
Good video btw
1:25 Whm starts to sweating knowing we’ll have to do it all alone
I wouldn't say Zenos IS boring, just that's he's bored, period. He literally only cares about fighting the WoL, and personally I found that refreshing...at first. I don't really care that they brought him back, but I'd welcome a new villain.
I lost it at the logo already...
Zenos gets a lot of hate. I love him. He's basically just that one anime villain that only shows emotions in battle. If he ain't fighting then he's bored lol
For the last time Goku is *not* a villain
@@FuriousGorge But isn't he? Dude almost let existence get blown to shit because he was bored and wanted to fight.
@@zaeldevyon8243 I think after saving it on multiple occasions he's allowed one mulligan.
tbh the only interesting thing about zenos is how he makes the e-girls go wet
@@FuriousGorge Goku? Boooooooooo lol jk
Okay (cracks knuckles) let’s do this.
Elidibus was my least favourite villain in XIV until patch 5.3. I now think he is a three dimensional character that I actually give a crap about. It took one patch for him to go from ‘meh’ to ‘compelling’.
Zenos is one note, especially compared to recent antagonists, but I’m fairly confident that will change going forward. There is no reason to hate the guy, but I’m not losing my mind defending him either. He needs to be better, and more likely than not, he will.
Did people just glossed over how Zenos is essentially the "opposing chaotic evil" version of the player? And i'm not talking about your character, but the actual player
He's just as powerful as you, he can come back from the dead as if it was a mere respawn, but he just want to kill shit and become more powerful (a common mentality in many other games) not caring at all about other people's lives, he treats his own reality as if all were just a game, as opposing to the player who cares about the world and it's characters even if it's all just a videogame and not real
Also, i fear him just knowing he's somehow related to the Final Days
tl;dr Zenos is actually scary af when you think about it
3:31 you shall be missed, dragonsight tether.
Barthandelus is easily the worst villain in all of FF, he makes Zenos look Shakespearean.
2:22 Uhm. Ps4 also has a Screenshot button
ya and can get around posting by setting up a psn chat and posting picks and downloading them to phone via the psn messages app.
@@azadalamiq the ps4 can share to different websites so even that is a little too much. Dont know if you can share to reddit tho cause I dont use it
4:26 took me until "it cost me an arm" to get it
Good use of Meatball Parade
Ok, so I failed MISERABLY at 2:32, cause it's so fucking accurate-
2:05 grindr vs IRL
I cant stop laughing omg xD
Ahahaha yes me too 🤣
More of those please!
I had this on full screen and i thought that symbol on the bottom right was a gash in my screen or something xD
Zenos is the Best Villain ever he is so perfect
IDK why people hate him?
He helped a lot of people with their sorry fucking lives.
Zenos isn't the best villain but he's far from the worse. He's actually very entertaining especially given he's not a tragic villain like everyone else is SB or just evil for the sake of evil or a power hungry politician/Pope.
Like he does the job he was given while still chasing his own ambitions without betraying either. He just wants a good fight and he holds respect for those who have desire and ambition to grow stronger and rise above their circumstances.
Also his boss voice lines aren't annoying. Fucking Ilberd....
eh.. his dialog was annoying. not as much as sloppy... for ala mhigo. but still up there.
@@azadalamiq
Really?
Idk I found it entertaining. He was so confident in himself without sounding like a cocky prick that it was kind of charismatic to me.
ShitpostFFXIV, that's where the good stuff is. 🤣🤣👌
Zenos needs to get an Emet-Selch Class upgrade for reals.
Am I the ONLY one who liked zenos during stormblood as he was a very plain and simple breath of fresh air amidst the horde of complex and thought proving villains. Its nice to not have a villain with a complicated plot/story or w/e sometimes
But what if Zenos doesn't come back as a villian but becomes the Reaper Job Quest Guy? :))) that might be neat
I have a feeling Frandanile's gonna steal the Worst Villain Crown from Zenos pretty soon.
Dude what the music is used in the video?
Meatball Parade by Kevin MacLeod
Zenos is part of the reason why stormblood was so good. It was the first time they introduced a villain that you lose to, twice I might add. They did a good job of making him terrifying. Of course he wasn't that difficult when it actually came down to the real fight, but he was still an asshole that you looked forward to fighting and beating.
My first fight with Zenos was me shouting "I beg your fucking pardon?" -- "Ive beat up motherfucking dragons you know!?" -- "are you fucking kidding me? Your going this route?"
He's just playing the you're boring card right out after all the crazy shit that you do in HeavensWard, it's like he didn't earn the right for that kind of crap. He ain't an Ascian or a magical god construct or whatever. He isnt even an interesting villain. His portfolio is, being good at fighting, being a dick and letting his underlings do the work.
@@DaemonetteBait He's the Grandson of an Ascian, Emet Selch, Grew up on the frontlines of war, was experimented on to have a fake Echo, and held both nidhogg eyes when you first met him. That's his portfolio.
@@Khalirei Well to each their own, and I find him an insufferably boring bad guy.
The resonance stuff happens later in the story too.
And I don't think relation to the blood of a possesed garlean really helps his case.
More than anything stormbloods writing is the weakest of the expansions even if it's the one where you achieve the most. Zenos timing wise just seems a villain who should have been at the beginning of the games where the WoL isn't already a veteran fighter and someone you want to raise yourself to beat. But his place in the story is wrong. He is a villain who could have been interesting if played different but he ends up as a, "oh great it's this guy again"
At least he isn't fucking Ran'jit though because the only way I can understand the warrior of varying luminosity taking it like a chump like that is that they are tripping balls on light aether at the time
@@Khalirei he was able to hold on to the eyes due to garleans having inept magic ability. so there was nothing for nidhogg to taint.
The Haurchefant story 😂😭
Horsefondant, please.
That Raubahn one got me ngl
3:58 my mood when I accidentally press a button other than scorch at the end of my RDM combo.
Keeping zenos alife so long is so unncessary
My character's name is M'ango
That Raubahn greentext post was amazing lmfao
I like how Nirtti says "He's probably PS4." Buddy PS4 also has a screenshot button. X'D Also you can just connect a USB and copy paste the screenshot/video into the USB and put it on the computer to post. Or put it in Facebook or twitter and download it to report on Reddit. I know video is old. But I needed to say that. I probably sound like an asshat but eh. Not with bad intention. Just a little defensive maybe.
This is still quality content regardless.
Zenos super cool at the beginning of stormblood. Then every cutscene after that he kept losing his style until we killed him and he resurrected as a thorn up my ass. I’m hype to fight fandaniel and not his sidekicks sidekick, Zenos.
Video music?
Meatball Parade by Kevin MacLeod
Just gonna point out. I play on PS4, and I take screenshots all the time. He didn't need to take it with his phone lol. Also you say Zeno's is the worst guy they could have brought back? I think Ran'jit would have been worse.
Zenos who??
I cracked at the Vault
What's the outro song?
A remix I did
soundcloud.com/ivulpes/mewnlight-rose-willingless-fabled-ways-edit
ZENOS IS THE BEST
Zenos is basically just Sephiroth. Everyone goes ballistic over him because he is pretty despite him being a one dimensional "I kill for fun, and I love/hate this one person specifically because they beat me up" villain. Zenos' entire arc is just a revenge plot because he lusts for you after you reject him and beat him up.
I've said the same thing, he's Sephiroth 2.0. If you like Seph, you'll like Zenos. If you like Seph but don't like Zenos, then perhaps you need to re-examine why you like Seph.
That said, I'm looking forward to Zenos surpassing Seph as a central antagonist. Emet-Selch is already the best antagonist in the entire franchise, so I want to see what quality is carried from Shadowbringers to Endwalker.
Ok look, i know ive fallen for that stupid line of his and accidentally started simping for him but Zenos could turn out to be a good villain in endwalker at least. Knowing what he knows and having no moral compass or cares other than hunting us makes him (at least lore wise) a really scary evil force. Also, he pretty.
the worst villain was the archbishop... he is the only reason why I say ShB is much better than HW. HW lacked a great villain, despite being such a great improvement.
virgin zenos and GIGACHAD Gaius van Baelsar
The one with Haurchefant fucking got me good
@4:30 this is why i never put any of my crafting mats in the FC Chest unless im fully prepared to kiss it goodbye, if something in the FC Chest goes missing i refuse to get in on the drama and will just continue to refill the chest as needed. i do not play ffxiv to get stressed so i really dont care what happens to the guilds coffers.. thats the Guild Leader and Treasurers job.
The fact that your FC has someone whose "job" is to manage the fc chest is already sad af.
@@MyVanir tbh that is a normal part of running a guild in the old days of mmo. each member had a guild task.
Oh gosh. I didn't know such gold existed. I will have to look at the subreddit. You should make another own
really got me with that FC story xD especially since someone I know actually went through almost exactly the same thing, but for real!
zenos is good shush
What is your outro?
Hey there. It's my remix of a song by Mewnlight Rose
soundcloud.com/ivulpes/mewnlight-rose-willingless-fabled-ways-edit
DONT YOU BAD TALK MY ZENOS
Damn Raubahn!
I like zenos, his archetype was basically inevitable. The joker to our WoLs batman. The complete opposite to everything our character stands for.
Holy shit I fuckn lold
2:15 Oh hey, I'm that WARio.
Oh my god, it took me like, twenty seconds after 8:10 to double back around, realizing this was about Haurchefant.
ya. took me the name to realize. ; ; i feel sad now.
Horsefondant 😞
Was gonna sub but then y’all said Zenos was a bad villain
Bummer.
@@GrimFables I'll sub because you said Zenos is a bad villain lol
This reddit has been soooo much better than the 'official'.
What do you call a Dragoon with dirty armor?
eSTEINen.
I loved every damn second of this video😂❤️
I like zenos
oh my god, that Raubhan story! XD
You know it's good when the logo is already a shitpost.
"Zenos is the worst vilain" for now. But look at what they managed to do with Elidibus in the 5.3. And don't tell me you cared about him before that. It doesn't really matter to me if Zenos is lame right now, I'm pretty sure we'll have a epic fight with him and the end will be glorious.
wtf, Zenos is wild as hell, probably my 2nd favorite antag, next to ShB end boss
EDIT: This is what I get for pausing and looking into the comments before finishing the video, might as well toss me a pitch fork amirite?
i was always intrested in eldibus.
if anything the disapointment was his ending.
the idea that he was lost and had no idea what he was really doing ruins him to me.
Elidibus was more of a side character until 5.3. So him being overly interesting wasn't needed of him, like it would be for a main villain. And yes, I did care for Elidibus before 5.3, I thought he was interesting and couldn't wait to learn about him because he was different than the others.
Zenos was and is boring to me. And even if they 'write him a good story' for 6.0+ the damage is already done for me. He was the big baddie for Stormblood, and sucked the whole way through it.
**angry DPS noises**