Evidence of Stripe Colors & Where I Goofed | Engels Coach Shop
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- There are benefits of technology, but sometimes it's out of place on a 130 year old manure spreader. Handcrafted sign painting still fits the era on this Great Western Manure Spreader. I goofed on part of the sign, but was able to fix it on the second side. Hopefully it's not too obvious, until I point it out. It's too late now though. Thanks for coming along.
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Dave you always end with thanks for following along and thanks for watching. It should be us thanking you for allowing us to follow along and watch. Im been with you since the start and always look forward to your videos.
If I don’t learn anything from watching you other than patience, it’ll still be worth my time. Perfection ain’t easy, is it!
Truer words were never spoken.
Machine like steadiness...a real pleasure watching an artisan.
Perfection is vastly overrated
Perfection is not an accident
There is the old saying; "As much fun as watching paint dry." Here we sit on a sunny afternoon watching paint dry and it sure is fun.
Good Evening Dave & Diane, lettering looks very nice. My father who was born in 1927 and was an electrical engineer for Kodak in London later in life, surprised me by Pin stripeing in gold paint my 1954 Black Triumph Thunderbird back in the 80's when I was 17, I found out in his youth he was a pin striper for a motorbike company? Before changing his career. Who would have thought🙂. Hoe your all OK. Regards Richard 🇬🇧
You had one spruced-up car then? I bet your friends envied you.
@@royreynolds108 (cough) Motorcycle!
I started watching at the start of the Borax wagon series. That was a wonderful series and it hooked me. I've watched in awe every project since look forward to every week's release. Thank you for sharing your old school craftmanship with us. It's a joy to watch.
............Likewise and loved the time spent and memories rekindled.
The worlds most beautiful manure spreader just gets prettier every day! Mr Engle, thank you for so masterfully preserving our heritage!
Sure glad it’s going in to the museum and not its intended purpose. Dave you could and should serve a buffet as a fundraiser on your manure spreader raising money for the museum
You know the old saying... " a man on a galloping horse would not notice"... nor could he see both sides at once! Keep up the great work, you're a true renaissance man.
Thank you for inviting me along on your journey. God Bless You and Mrs. Engels.
Well I can sum it up for you. As a teen driver in 1980 my first car was an old hand me down, I kind of fixed it up with hub caps. Two matching caps for each side. Not to many people noticed the different styles from side to side 😂
That made me laugh :P Brilliant! Nice one
Typography is more artistic than mechanical. When I first started doing digital designs I started to learn about it and I now have a small library of books and thousands of fonts on my workstation to find the "best" font to go with the rest of the images I create. You are doing fantastic and only about a dozen people will ever notice the slight differences. It is the same with my designs. Only i will feel what the "best" font adds to the image. Others will just like what I made. You are making a wonderful art object that invokes a definite point in time.
_"and only about a dozen people will ever notice the slight differences"_ - one here; used to design such things - from lettering on trucks to businesses' signboards, to tombstones. Automatic kerning is almost NEVER right, even more so with individual "standalone" words like here - and some letter pairs (or groups, like here) are just impossible to ever get right. The gaps between I-T-H will be always too big, even if you get these letters to almost touching each other - and you need to spread (pun not intended) S-M-I apart too, for good balance.
And then "S" in "WESTERN" and "ENDLESS" should be tad taller to look equal in height, but hey, make it real and "period appropriate" - back then it wasn't some typography artist doing this job but some "Joe" with an acute eye and steady hand...
BTW, back in '90s I happened to watch Indian signboard painters at work - two guys standing on a rickety scaffolding painting freehand all that lettering (both English and Devanagari script) on a white board over an entrance to the shop - and all they used as a prop was a couple of horizontal lines on this board (baselines only), and "voila!".
Welcome to the world of computer printing!!! It's so different to the real world of true sign writing. By you explaining the "mistakes" in your first tries, the real answer becomes more obvious. Thanks for a really educational video on REAL sign writing
The M's thick first line in Manure is a graphic design method of 'anchoring' the line of type. It gives the eye a clear starting point to read left to right. The thin first line M's are larger and 'anchor' their word with their size.
Dave, you are a true artist in every sense of the word. When I was 14 I worked with my uncle who hand built custom saddles from the "ground up". Like you he was a true craftsman. I learned saddle and harness repair and hand stitching from him. I now look at horse drawn wagons differently now. You are indeed a true inspiration.
This is not art...
We're never disappointed with your attention to detail!
The difference in the Ms is because they are on opposite sides! :) Proving it was done by hand, not by machine. Great job! Some artists deliberately create things like that just to see if anyone notices!
I thought the reversal was for the balance of one side to the other.
... and some people apply templates the wrong way... ;-)
It's looking fantastic! Always fun to follow along!
I bet it was a cost savings, originally, to not outline all the letters too.
A calm and relaxing session with Mr Engles, roll on the next 👍🏴
We really enjoy your videos; the topics are interesting and your natural style is engaging.
That painter on TV, Bob Ross, called them happy mistakes, it gives it personality, it makes it unique.
If I did it I'd be lucky to get all the words right.
I kinda remember "happy accidents" he's still fun to watch, great for lowering blood pressure.
Looks great and I like your goofs to. Have fun.
Love the skill in this, thanks for sharing, I hope we get to see it working.
Encore un gros bravo pour ce travail d'artiste même avec ses petites erreurs somme toute pas bien graves car elles ne se remarque pas au premier coup d'œil. Quelle patience!!!! Encore bravo et merci pour toutes ces excellentes vidéo qui me font toujours passer un très agréable moment.
Dave goofed? Nah, I prefer to see it as a learning process. Excellent work, my friend.
Dave you are an amazing craftsman. I appreciate all your videos that I really enjoy watching. Thanks !
Artistry is always engaging to watch. The ‘extra’ here is the variety - always something different - big, small, wood, steel, rubber, so many skills and all well done, including the film craftsmanship and music. Thanks for all of it, Dave and Diane.
It looks just great as you have done it
Thanks for sharing 👍
Kerning is one of those things that once you learn you can’t unsee. Typography at its best is invisible, except to the trained eye.
There’s also the joke word keming: kerning applied excessively so that “rn” begins to look like “m”.
I appreciate your attention to detail and desire to duplicate the original design. There is value in reproducing the artists work more than trying to interpret what they did by fixing their "mistakes"!
Great job. Thank you 😊
Thanks for sharing with us Dave, always enjoy your explanations of why and how you do things. You didn't goof, these photos of the original builds showed the lettering that way and you kept it accordingly. We applaud you for taking the blame but not because you goofed, but for keeping the project according to history and photos of an original built wagon. Maybe the original builder had a long hard night out on Friday Night and finished the right side of the lettering too early on Saturday Morning?? Stay safe and keep up the great work and History you share through your work and videos. Fred.
Was wondering if Bryce has stopped back and seen what a fantastic treasure he helped move forward, Great project.
Dave we need to call you steady Eddie lol nice work
I use vinyl lettering almost exclusively nowadays for speed & convenience, but that's for making money for the shop. But when it comes to elegance and just more personable signs, you can't beat hand lettering. Beautiful job Dave
Dave, You always impress me with how you decide the details. Barb always says I'm a bit too particular, but we get it.
Fantastic stuff as always, Dave.
I think rather, in a hundred years they will be able to access the archives and see exactly why you did it that way. So, thank you for myself in the present to see you sheepishly explaining it and also a thank you for the person in the future that also gets to share that understanding.
Thank you.
Thanks Guys
Hi Dave I have to say that I am amazed with everything that you do. One thing in particular not seen but heard. People that don't make videos don't understand how hard it is to find appropriate background music. I don't know how you do it. Music for every video. Sometimes more than one per vid. No problems with copyright. Different music every time. I wouldn't mind having lessons. I have never missed a video, and really loved your pack trip. You have been working very hard and need to take another. Remember to stop and have a cowboy coffee. Thanks for all that you do.
I once said to a friend who could draw. How do you do that?. He said its easy anyone can do it. But the truth is it takes a special skill, that I don't have and cannot visualise the drawings others (and you) can. You underestimate yourself with all of your skills and I just watch you in awe.
My eyes got crossed a long time ago, you just do it the way you want it. Love to see you getting to the finish line. Charles
I just love your patience with this. The pedants are just that, you can't see both sides at once. Just tell them that.
Its all coming together and you should be extremely proud of the end product.
It’s your spreader and you painting it look great to me and you and that is all that matters
And to think that this fine artist is also an excellent heavy blacksmith!
...and many other things!
School is in session l. We need you reminding us that our heritage is as much a part of us as family, it's where a part of all of us comes from! Thanks for bring us along.
Thanks Mr. and Ms. Engel !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If only people were to look that closely at the detail. I don’t believe anyone does but are rather overwhelmed at the overall image and attention to detail that you have created in this vehicle which I am sure will be appreciated by all that have a chance to view it. Outstanding!
Your work is beautifully done and the attention to details is impressive ,to say the least! Add the patience of Job! Although, I had to think back to the very old comedy movies showing a poor sign painter trying to do office doors. Maybe you can add the Three Stooges to the videos just to add challenge!
We always used the 10 foot rule, if they are seeing those tiny inconsistencies, then they are standing too close. But there will always be one in the crowd and for those, we say, we did it to get a reaction. Looks great, thanks for sharing.
Dave, you are a man of great patience and I admire your desire for authenticity and perfection. Too bad for you there was no such thing as vinyl applique lettering back then.
I can't believe the critics!!!! Really enjoy your videos.
yay, always like it here again! Wow, the letters are beautiful.
Never though I would be saying this, but that is a beautiful manure spreader! Thankyou for sharing your work with us.
Dave ! What a beautiful job of lettering , that job is not easy , a lot harder then people think ! LOOKS GREAT
Great work. Probably no one would ever see the difference. Thanks Dave and Diane
Dave Thank you once more
for doing what you do And keeping things rolling to the clip clop
Best Wishes
Dave it looks great,
I’m impressed🎉, nice to watch!
Excellent work from both of you as always.
Thanks a man of many talents
Allways be learning as you go Dave! That is being open for improvement rather then being stubborn.
I hadn't seen it, and i think walking in a situation around the vehicle wouldn't notice it ever.
I like how much you have been able to make this vehicle and paint look like the foto's, that is way more important in impressing me! All skill, talent and experience going into this.
Super interesting.
From some angles the pounced outline chalk gives the black lettering an embossed look.
Dave I would not worry about it. Since every spreader ever produced was hand painted everyone similar but very unique. Yours is the same similar but very unique.
some mighty fine lettering. well you done it all in my eyes
Years I mean years ago I did some pinstripes on my car and motorcycle. They came out pretty good. Never told anyone I did them. It just took so long to do that I realized I didn’t want to do it again. I just didn’t want to spend that much time doing it. You have to have the right frame of mind to do them. I admit I don’t. That spreader looks great.
Wow hand lettering is impressive! I like your cheating stick too! Always learning new tricks😊
That is a steady stick, not a cheating stick. I have seen photos of painters using similar sticks on other painting projects, like on a Pullman Palace Car painting the lines and fillagree.
@@royreynolds108 The guy who did the lettering on our race cars called it that too.
Happy Friday Dave and Diane!
Always wonderful.
Hi; Your channel never ends to fascinate of your skills in fabrication/art craftiness of Wheelwright and Wagon / Coach building.
Hi Dave, you did a great job 👏👍👌❤️
Sitting here listening to the sound of gentle rain and thinking Superlative, superlative and more superlatives.
The charm of that style of lettering is its imperfection. That's the whole point, right?
Great work, Dave.
You have taken this project to heart looks great
I don't have a good eye for this (or perhaps other things!) but permit me to observe that both the right and left sides can't easily be seen at the same moment... so I'm good with it!!
Thanks for the ride! 🙂
I liked the First version that you did. You make it look so easy. Well Done Sir.
Once again thanks for the video.
What a talented man!!
You clearly get better at it during "the process" .
Wow! Beautiful!
Thanks for posting Dave
Never fail to amaze. Looks like it was done by a machine.
As Bob Ross would have said, there are no mistakes in painting. Just happy goofs in your case. I would bet that if we could go back in time and line up a bunch of the spreaders fresh out of the factory you would see variances in the lettering on every spreader. Average people wont even notice them. Those of us with various forms of O.C.D. understand the struggle to accept the minor differences. This spreader is like the beautiful Monarch butterfly. When you stand back and admire the whole picture you see symmetry. But if you zoom in you see asymmetry. Either way, it looks amazing!
Skills, skills and more skills 💪
Back in the day before vinyl cutting machines for signage appeared, when I wanted a decal I would buy adhesive material and physically mark out a grid and draw the letters or numbers in reverse on the backing to create what I wanted then cut it out. I quickly learned about how not to make everything the same size. Also the aspect or forced ratios became just as important. For example an O has to be slightly larger and placed equally above and below the letters or numbers next to it, if not it looks smaller and shorter. As you found out, an I for example has to have the letters or numbers on each side of it brought in a bit closer so it does not look "lost" seeming a bit too far visually away from the others. Another thing a lot of people never consider is when putting letters or numbers on a tube. In most cases it is placed offset to where it is mostly viewed from, on bicycle frames for example, nothing is ever placed dead centre.
Looks really great.
Love your work!! Beautiful
No mater what you did a very good job.
You leave mistakes like that alone and refer to it as an easter egg to see who can spot the difference. Thank you for your lesson in lettering.
I would bet dollars to doughnuts that they had more than one painter and every one was a little bit different. In fact, I would bet that there wasn't a painter out there that made two EXACTLY the same. Epic build ... don't sweat it. Looking forward to see it scatter some campaign promises about the yard.
Great job on the spreader Dave. I can't wait to see you load it up and see how well it spreads! 🤭
Amazing Craftsman! Is there anything you can't do? I love your channel and pass it on to all my friends. Thanks Dave, blessings!
I’m sure you have done an awesome job on the smith wagon sign
And I’m sure there were many variations being hand painted.
I would like to say “excellent job done “
First one from Holland! :-)
Congrats !
Hand crafted will always have variations. That’s part of the charm of antiques.
Your example may be an exception since it is fully restored to a new working condition. 😉
nice work, tis possible that 2 signwriters worked on the original wagons and had there own style, does happen.
I like your final answer 😊
I enjoyed seeing the lettering process.
Fantastic work, you did a great job with the lettering. A steady hand goes a long way in doing lettering. Thanks for all you do sir!
I like the lettering and any small imperfections give it a hand made look which is how we would see the way it was back in the day. For example, we all appreciated what a wood carver could create by hand, but these days you can’t always tell if a piece has been carved by hand or was done by machine / or power tools.
Multi-talented. You have to be.