he could have purchase replacement rubber rings for the driver which are readily available and it would have been a quality repair, but the fact that you're wishing on someone to be annoyed that is just evil, congratulations you are scum.
I have to admit, this is the first Rolls Royce video where I've seen you start a fix and found myself screaming "noooo!!!" to myself. It was an admirable attempt to be sure, but in the end you did the right thing by getting a fresh set of speakers. Rock on! :)
It only cost you time (and materials you already had) to find out they couldn't be saved. In the end you swapped like for like with a smidge of a technology update. For me, that's a win all round. Thanks for sharing, Vince.
An old friend of mine had one of these Rollers. Metallic dark blue with cream interior, it was mint. He let me (23 at the time) drive his daughter to her prom in it (about a 30 mile round trip). I was into fast sports cars but oh boy. Was this nice to drive. Beautifully comfy and way faster than expected. Glorious car but at the time my mk1 MR2 cost about 30quid to fill. The Roller cost 110 quid back then and you could watch the gauge drop.
Before you put the doors back together invest in some dynamat or similar sound deadening for the doors will make a huge difference to the sound And road noise. Will also make the sound of the doors shutting much more satisfying. It isn't expensive and well worth it.
@@djmips You're not wrong - a little money to upgrade to neodymium and vastly improved speakers is probably worth it, but this was still a very imaginative fix that would be well applied to some small specialty speaker on a toy or something.
Hell's teeth Vince ! you make my toes curl up watching you put that battery across the voice coil of that poor speaker, that's torture that is...cheers.
Great attempt Vince! Shame about it not working so great. The outer speaker is the Bass Driver, and the small one is the Tweeter. The capacitor is used to filter out the low frequencies so they don't get passed to the tweeter. I think you were probably wasting your time, but good on you for giving it a go!
If you can't tell what song it is through the distortion, who cares about copyright?! Love seeing the progress Vince! Can't wait to see this thing get road-ready.
vince if you measure across the speaker to get the size of the speaker it looks like they could be 4inch or 8inch hard to tell on screen lol then type inn your measurements with foam surround into ebay they should come up there's all so loads of videos on youtube on how to re-cone a speakers hope this helps loving the vids keep it up😀
The reason that the new ones are smaller and lighter is because, instead of using ferrous magnets in the drivers, they use Neodymium magnets instead. Same level of magnetism, but in a smaller and lighter package. :)
i have experiance with restoring old radios (mostly from the 30's and 40's) and the most common substance they used for this was Paper or thin cardboard. The problem with these is they do not have the life expectancy of a ruberized synthetic product, and don't have the movement, but of course that only means you won't have a booming sound system in your car, but with tiny speakers like those, you never had that expectation. I will let you know that among old radio collectors and restorers, there is a debate over to repair or replace old speakers that are in bad shape. There are those that say that the speaker is part of the radio and therefore needs to be restored, however others believe that the speaker is an addition to the radio and getting a better sound from a modern speaker is just fine. It is a personal preference and therefore up to you to do what you want. Either way is fine. My personal preference is to replace with a newer speaker if possible, the sound will be really good and less time spent on an item that nobody will ever see. The argument i have with others in this matter is you would never have an issue with replacing capacitors or wires with new/modern ones (old wires can be a fire hazard as they were wrapped in cloth)
Hey glad to finally see a speaker foam repair video on your channel and its your car project too! I been waiting for this day to come! Yep as I suspected you missed a crytical step! There is a fine gap the speaker voice coil moves in and out along and it cannot touch or not rub along it at all. You want to make sure it is perfectly centered and there is no push-pull side to side resistance on the cone which is why the foams are made the way they are. The speaker cone should be able to move in and out freely when you push in without any audable rubbing what so ever. You need to use feel a lot with refoaming speakers. In adition you can use an alignment frequency that will help you varify it is not rubbing as you move through the project. You will need a hifi stereo or tone generator to connect it to and have it play. See my channel I have a short vid on a refoam I did. A trick I use a lot is glue the foam and wait for the glue to get tacky and make any small ajustments when it gets to that point, using my tone generator to help me along the way. With more stuborn speakers I will use a blow drier to help accelerate the rate at which it dries or it will start playing whack a mole on me with the oposite sides of the foam lifting out and I need to fight with it to get it to stick.
thanks... often asked same question being someone who likes to repair stuff... this certainly can be done but probably have more success buying right replacement.
The issue with fixing the original speakers the way you did it Vince is that you have to make sure that the cone is shimmed properly. The distortion you heard was cause the cone was rubbing against the side of the frame. Had it been shimmed properly then it would have sounded perfectly.
If you have good feel you can do away with shimming altogether some times. I normally just glue and wait for it to become tacky and make necessary adjustments there and I am goalden. See my realistic foam vid.
With regard to speakers I always remember what an old guy in a hifi shop once told me, "there's no replacement for displacement". As you discovered Vince that bodge just didn't allow for enough movement in the cones. Think it'd be worth fixing those old Pioneers though, keep up the good work.
Dear Mr. Vince. 👍👌👏 Although it wasn't a success, this will help me to repair my expensive big JBL loudspeaker boxes (inside the house). At least I now know that I have to use and buy quality and tested stuff instead of trying out several materials. Thanks a lot for making teaching explaining recording editing uploading and sharing. Best regards luck and health.
Maybe for fun still order a refoaming kit and see how they are... worst case you break them but learn something, best case you got 4 nice oldschool pioneer speakers for future projects.
I had some 18" Cizek II home audio speakers that had the same issue... Pre-internet, I was told replacement was my only option and that wasn't possible. So, I went to a Flea market (jumble or Boot sale? UK) and bought 100% paper 1960s loudspeakers without the foam stuff to replace them... Got them home and they didn't work at all! so I carefully cut and removed the outer paper ring and glued it to the original Cizek speakers It worked for low volume the paper ring didn't allow for the full range of speaker travel. I recently restored and re-foamed them. Cizek speakers in the day were the nemesis of Bose speakers. Both are high-end and collectible. I had the same issue (no repair kit available) So long as you can find a kit that fits the inner speaker cone dimensions as well as the outer dimensions the outer part where it is to be glued can be trimmed to fit. Because my speakers were collectible there was a website full of speaker Greeks that did restoration to guide on where to go and what kit worked the best. But I did glean from their debating that the inner cone measurement is the important one.
I bought a nice pair of speakers in the year 2k. After 14 years of abuse the rubber had rotted away, the magnets had lost some of their strength so I decided to buy 2 replacement speaker cones for the unit instead of reforming them. My 1st child came into my life shortly after and I never got to wear them in. One of the cats used the rubber on one of the speakers as a scratching post. I was hoping your video would offer some enlightenment asto how to repair them. I'm going to use a flexible glue and hope for the best. Your speakers likely made the scratching noise as the voice coil wasn't moving in the precise way it should, just slightly tighter in one part from the rubber surround would do that to them (as a guess). Great video as always.
Fair play for having a go, but the _surround_ is part of the suspension of the speaker along with the _spider_ (the set of rings on the inside). Together their job is to keep the movement of the cone controlled and linear. Maybe your approach would've worked for a midrange speaker but not a bass/mid speaker ( _woofer_ ). Also, you were pushing the new speakers very hard - I suggest you install aftermarket sound deadening sheets in the doors (or at least around the speaker holes) such as Dynamat or another bitumen-based product. You'd then, with a lower bass level, get more bass and better sound quality due to the speakers working more efficiently in the door enclosures, and they'd last longer due to not being pushed so hard.
The capacitor is most likely used to block or filter out lower frequencies going to the speaker. A high pass filter of sorts. Good try on the refoam, a bit unorthodox. The amount of glue is most likely the issue with the distortion.
The cap should result in a 1st order high pass filter with 6db/octave. This is actually the typical filter used in coax speakers and also most standard stock 2-way systems come with a simple cap in line with the tweeters
That looked like a solid fix, but i once played with broken speakers myself and had similar results. Not long now before you can cruise your Rolls Royce over the city boulevard with your arm out the window, pumpin' dem beatz. :D
These look like mid-range frequency speakers with a built in tweeter. They weren't the best of speakers but they would suffice for the usual listener. However an Audiophile, would expect subwoofer, mid-range speaker and tweeter all place in separate locations and aimed at the listener, in between you would also have crossovers with the input coming from the audio source and the respective outputs going to each driver (speaker). I miss that stuff, I used to tinker with car installs in my younger years.
Could kinda tell you dont know much about speakers.... Good try to fix them though. When Im replaceing speakers that are attached to amplifiers, I turn the amp down to "nom" or half way, then turn up the volume on the head unit itself. Once thats done, I turn the amp until I get slight distortion, the turn back 1 notch... Works everytime and I always get pleasing results. Most amplifiers, either stand alone or built in usually distort once over the half way point and start to sound horrible and "crashy". Keep up the good work Vince, really enjoying these videos. I really like the way that you use amethodoligy of - try this, then try that if the first try that doesnt't work...
I`ve just refoamed my speakers (2 x 8 inch woofers), It really is easy, new foam rings can be had from Ebay, mine cost £6.75 with glue, and arrived within two days. Just a bit of measuring to do to get the right size,
The cap is to adjust crossover most likely for the tweeter centre, and i dont really see these lasting very long after a repair seeing that the paper cone breaking down eventually after a few years of use. Interesting way of repairing the foam/rubber surround thou, ingenius.
one thing I have learned over time, is as long as the watts isn't excessive because then you need a power source like an amp. is the more watts the speakers can do the better the sound quality at normal volume. usually only need an amp if the radio can't do enough channels or if running something like a subwoofer. but used to run £25 per pair speakers from halfords without the need of an amp, probably the same type as you just bought, as I am talking 10+ years ago now. but to be fair this was going to be nearly impossible to repair the speakers, as once they have gone it is kind of cheaper and easier to replace than to repair. but well worth the try though. great video Vince.
Ludwig van Beethoven was well into his career and almost completely deaf when he wrote his famous piano piece, Fur Elise, in 1810. It was not published during his lifetime, only being discovered 40 years after his death, and may be termed either a Bagatelle or an Albumblatt. Bagatelle No. 25 in A minor for solo piano, commonly known as "Für Elise", is one of Ludwig van Beethoven's most popular compositions.
Love this series. Just when you think, we’ll there’s not hope of fixing that, it’s not even worth trying, Vince dives in and give it a shot. A worthy attempt on this one, even though it didn’t quite pan out in the end.
while the pioneers obviously sound and perform better, i think you had a great idea and it worked out pretty good for restoring those old speakers, maybe they weren't great for loud volume but they certainly did work
I would not mess with those, if it is not done properly, you may mess up the amp. That will be much more costly to repair/replace. I would get something more modern, with better sound. When you push down on it, you shouldn't feel any scratching, between the coil and the magnet. It has to be precisely centered. If you have a scope, you can adjust the gain on that amp, until the sine wave is still a nice sine wave. You don't want a flat top sine wave.
I'm glad that you made the attempt to re foam those speakers. It made for good content. Just replacing the speakers wouldn't have been enough content. Very good video my mate.
You could probably get a universal foam kit for 4 or 5 inch speakers. If you can't shim the voice coil apply a small voltage to the speaker to help keep it centered.
Hiya mate it was worth a go to find out however that fix would work with old speakers from the 1960s where they don't need to move as much top video as always
I once "fixed" the surround of some car speakers using spray glue and kitchen cling film. But these were more like rubber surrounds (they just vibrated off at the edges), not this foam stuff that just dissolves to dust over time. The fix worked fine in my case, but a replacement surround would have been much better, I'm sure. All types of such fixes create an imbalance in the movement and/or reduce maximum excursion (Xmax) of the cone which can cause the voice coil to scratch away on the pole core or just run hot and die
I don’t know if you still want to mess with the old speakers, but using your battery to pull the speaker cone to its bottom limit then taping at that length might be more successful on the cheap.
I had the same problem in my 56 plate Picasso, the whole of the rubber surround had rotted out in all 4 speakers so I just took the old speakers out, put the speaker grills back on and wired in 4 surround sound speakers and it works really well😁😁😁😁
I was crying for you watching you tape up the speakers and all the work you put into them, while also laughing my **** off because I have seen them being repaired and never once was tape used
Just buy 4 new pioneer speakers,same brand as was fitted originally.i got 4 from my local parts place for about 40 quid.they sound great now.👍oops,should have waited till end before commenting.think theyre the same as i got.halfords are to expensive tho lol.look forward to the next fix.
Hehe on the opposite end of the motoring spectrum, my MK2 Reliant Robin is still plagued with brake problems... I fixed up the bad parts on the rear circuit which promptly blew out the two front wheel cylinders once I rebuilt the master cylinder O.o Went to brake, it made a graunchy sound then me foot hit the floor and had to bring the old girl to a halt via my handbrake. Just waiting on a new set of shoes to arrive then I can button it all up, new cylinders, new bridge pipe, all new flexi's fore and aft, proper Girling rebuild kit on the master. It does actually stop, just it was pumping fluid out the front like billy-o so its just waiting on the last parts.
Doing a re cone would have worked however they wouldn't be worth the cost to do them. It's worth it for really expensive subs I send out $7k or more drivers that are obsolete to be re coned quite often and it's anywhere from 600 to 1400 a driver. But when they come back and are reinstalled in the cabinets they sound brand new.
The problem with restricting their movement is the energy being put in by the Amp has to go somewhere. If the cone can't move, then the whole frame of the speaker will try to flex causing distortion. By the way, your Amp is still slightly misadjusted. I hear distortion. Gain is likely too high, or the head unit is oversaturating the input circuits of the amp.
Vince, I have been always a fan of yours, but not for this one, coz I'm an audiophile... there's an option to re-corn speakers. Don't know if that's possible in UK, but in India, where I'm living, threre are a lot of people who can re-corn it for you. In kerala, southernmost part of india, there is a place called Ernakulam or Cochin, in the electronics street, there are vendors who can re -corn any speaker, without loosing the performance. I understand you stand for DYI but you can always find raw materials for repairing it properly... sorry if I said anything wrong, but wanted to convey you that better DYI is available...
May be worth getting the right foamy bits to fix the old speakies anyway, maybe compare them or keep them or flip em on evilbay to make some money back.
Completed the same project on my Bentley. It's amazing how much of an improvement this makes. I was thinking though, they make a thin foam insulation tape for condensation lines that might have the flex that was missing in your original repair. I kept my old ones and may give it a go thanks to your inspiration!
The power handling capabilities in watts actually tells nothing about the quality and max volume (efficiency). It´s often just misused for marketing. Just hit those speakers with a true 200w amplifier for a few seconds and they are done. Since most car radios can output 30-40w, those speakers are usually designed for this target. And that´s pretty much enough as you can hear.
The spiders on the old speakers would also have degraded after all these years. Repairing the surrounds is only one of the steps in a full restoration. Repairing the spiders is much harder. For the cheap speakers in a car the full restoration isn't worth the effort. New speakers is the way and as you've demonstrated new speakers sound really good. Even the cheap ones sound amazing.
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The annoyance caused to audiophiles with this repair alone is worth it in my eyes.
Hahaha, great comment😂👌
I was thinking exactly the same thing
he could have purchase replacement rubber rings for the driver which are readily available and it would have been a quality repair, but the fact that you're wishing on someone to be annoyed that is just evil, congratulations you are scum.
This was a painful bodge to watch. Jesus Vince.
Things that annoy people easily convinced by snake oil products is indeed satisfying haha
I have to admit, this is the first Rolls Royce video where I've seen you start a fix and found myself screaming "noooo!!!" to myself. It was an admirable attempt to be sure, but in the end you did the right thing by getting a fresh set of speakers. Rock on! :)
The fun was all of us that knew they were doomed. Absolutely loved it.
It only cost you time (and materials you already had) to find out they couldn't be saved. In the end you swapped like for like with a smidge of a technology update. For me, that's a win all round. Thanks for sharing, Vince.
Vince single-handedly re-invents the speaker surround. High end speaker designers are downing tools in disgust while B&W and KEF close up shop ;)
An old friend of mine had one of these Rollers. Metallic dark blue with cream interior, it was mint. He let me (23 at the time) drive his daughter to her prom in it (about a 30 mile round trip). I was into fast sports cars but oh boy. Was this nice to drive. Beautifully comfy and way faster than expected. Glorious car but at the time my mk1 MR2 cost about 30quid to fill. The Roller cost 110 quid back then and you could watch the gauge drop.
Even if a project/repair fails, it's a good learning exercise.
Love your videos, respect.
Before you put the doors back together invest in some dynamat or similar sound deadening for the doors will make a huge difference to the sound And road noise. Will also make the sound of the doors shutting much more satisfying. It isn't expensive and well worth it.
Never seen anyone repair a speaker like this before, really cool video!
There's a reason. hehe
@@djmips You're not wrong - a little money to upgrade to neodymium and vastly improved speakers is probably worth it, but this was still a very imaginative fix that would be well applied to some small specialty speaker on a toy or something.
Glad to have the blue matt back 😁thanks vince 💙 👍🏻
Hell's teeth Vince ! you make my toes curl up watching you put that battery across the voice coil of that poor speaker, that's torture that is...cheers.
I applaud the effort and you totally knew why it wouldn't work. It was an interesting solution to try fix the problem
Great attempt Vince! Shame about it not working so great. The outer speaker is the Bass Driver, and the small one is the Tweeter. The capacitor is used to filter out the low frequencies so they don't get passed to the tweeter. I think you were probably wasting your time, but good on you for giving it a go!
Good advice for the beginner
Repairing is always a learning exercise. No harm in trying and it not working. Good try Vince👍
If you can't tell what song it is through the distortion, who cares about copyright?!
Love seeing the progress Vince! Can't wait to see this thing get road-ready.
vince if you measure across the speaker to get the size of the speaker it looks like they could be 4inch or 8inch hard to tell on screen lol then type inn your measurements with foam surround into ebay they should come up there's all so loads of videos on youtube on how to re-cone a speakers hope this helps loving the vids keep it up😀
The reason that the new ones are smaller and lighter is because, instead of using ferrous magnets in the drivers, they use Neodymium magnets instead.
Same level of magnetism, but in a smaller and lighter package. :)
Good work and definitely a winning repair there mate. Always worth trying new tactics for repairs.
Thanks Danny, the effort was wasted on this one, but you don't know until you try 👌👍👍👍
i have experiance with restoring old radios (mostly from the 30's and 40's) and the most common substance they used for this was Paper or thin cardboard. The problem with these is they do not have the life expectancy of a ruberized synthetic product, and don't have the movement, but of course that only means you won't have a booming sound system in your car, but with tiny speakers like those, you never had that expectation.
I will let you know that among old radio collectors and restorers, there is a debate over to repair or replace old speakers that are in bad shape. There are those that say that the speaker is part of the radio and therefore needs to be restored, however others believe that the speaker is an addition to the radio and getting a better sound from a modern speaker is just fine. It is a personal preference and therefore up to you to do what you want. Either way is fine.
My personal preference is to replace with a newer speaker if possible, the sound will be really good and less time spent on an item that nobody will ever see. The argument i have with others in this matter is you would never have an issue with replacing capacitors or wires with new/modern ones (old wires can be a fire hazard as they were wrapped in cloth)
Hey glad to finally see a speaker foam repair video on your channel and its your car project too! I been waiting for this day to come!
Yep as I suspected you missed a crytical step!
There is a fine gap the speaker voice coil moves in and out along and it cannot touch or not rub along it at all.
You want to make sure it is perfectly centered and there is no push-pull side to side resistance on the cone which is why the foams are made the way they are.
The speaker cone should be able to move in and out freely when you push in without any audable rubbing what so ever.
You need to use feel a lot with refoaming speakers.
In adition you can use an alignment frequency that will help you varify it is not rubbing as you move through the project.
You will need a hifi stereo or tone generator to connect it to and have it play.
See my channel I have a short vid on a refoam I did.
A trick I use a lot is glue the foam and wait for the glue to get tacky and make any small ajustments when it gets to that point, using my tone generator to help me along the way.
With more stuborn speakers I will use a blow drier to help accelerate the rate at which it dries or it will start playing whack a mole on me with the oposite sides of the foam lifting out and I need to fight with it to get it to stick.
The trance is from the fumes of the liquid tape perhaps! LOL
thanks... often asked same question being someone who likes to repair stuff... this certainly can be done but probably have more success buying right replacement.
The issue with fixing the original speakers the way you did it Vince is that you have to make sure that the cone is shimmed properly. The distortion you heard was cause the cone was rubbing against the side of the frame. Had it been shimmed properly then it would have sounded perfectly.
If you have good feel you can do away with shimming altogether some times.
I normally just glue and wait for it to become tacky and make necessary adjustments there and I am goalden.
See my realistic foam vid.
These weren't factory original, just a cheap retrofit.
With regard to speakers I always remember what an old guy in a hifi shop once told me, "there's no replacement for displacement". As you discovered Vince that bodge just didn't allow for enough movement in the cones. Think it'd be worth fixing those old Pioneers though, keep up the good work.
Dear Mr. Vince.
👍👌👏 Although it wasn't a success, this will help me to repair my expensive big JBL loudspeaker boxes (inside the house). At least I now know that I have to use and buy quality and tested stuff instead of trying out several materials.
Thanks a lot for making teaching explaining recording editing uploading and sharing.
Best regards luck and health.
There are plenty of videos and resources that will show you how to do this properly.
Really pleased the classical music is back 👍🏻
Ahhh the classical music makes a return
.. so appropriate for your videos 👌
Maybe for fun still order a refoaming kit and see how they are... worst case you break them but learn something, best case you got 4 nice oldschool pioneer speakers for future projects.
I had some 18" Cizek II home audio speakers that had the same issue... Pre-internet, I was told replacement was my only option and that wasn't possible. So, I went to a Flea market (jumble or Boot sale? UK) and bought 100% paper 1960s loudspeakers without the foam stuff to replace them... Got them home and they didn't work at all! so I carefully cut and removed the outer paper ring and glued it to the original Cizek speakers It worked for low volume the paper ring didn't allow for the full range of speaker travel. I recently restored and re-foamed them. Cizek speakers in the day were the nemesis of Bose speakers. Both are high-end and collectible. I had the same issue (no repair kit available) So long as you can find a kit that fits the inner speaker cone dimensions as well as the outer dimensions the outer part where it is to be glued can be trimmed to fit. Because my speakers were collectible there was a website full of speaker Greeks that did restoration to guide on where to go and what kit worked the best. But I did glean from their debating that the inner cone measurement is the important one.
I bought a nice pair of speakers in the year 2k. After 14 years of abuse the rubber had rotted away, the magnets had lost some of their strength so I decided to buy 2 replacement speaker cones for the unit instead of reforming them. My 1st child came into my life shortly after and I never got to wear them in. One of the cats used the rubber on one of the speakers as a scratching post. I was hoping your video would offer some enlightenment asto how to repair them. I'm going to use a flexible glue and hope for the best. Your speakers likely made the scratching noise as the voice coil wasn't moving in the precise way it should, just slightly tighter in one part from the rubber surround would do that to them (as a guess). Great video as always.
was i the only one yelling "nooo" at the screen?
Fair play for having a go, but the _surround_ is part of the suspension of the speaker along with the _spider_ (the set of rings on the inside). Together their job is to keep the movement of the cone controlled and linear. Maybe your approach would've worked for a midrange speaker but not a bass/mid speaker ( _woofer_ ).
Also, you were pushing the new speakers very hard - I suggest you install aftermarket sound deadening sheets in the doors (or at least around the speaker holes) such as Dynamat or another bitumen-based product. You'd then, with a lower bass level, get more bass and better sound quality due to the speakers working more efficiently in the door enclosures, and they'd last longer due to not being pushed so hard.
The capacitor is most likely used to block or filter out lower frequencies going to the speaker. A high pass filter of sorts. Good try on the refoam, a bit unorthodox. The amount of glue is most likely the issue with the distortion.
Thanks Shawn 👍👍
The cap should result in a 1st order high pass filter with 6db/octave. This is actually the typical filter used in coax speakers and also most standard stock 2-way systems come with a simple cap in line with the tweeters
It definitely is.
@@Loudness84 bingo
The capacitor is there to stop any DC leaking through to the speaker?
On today's My Mate VINCE - cargo cult speaker repair! :)
But I do love your attitude. It works more than not. Keep it up!
That looked like a solid fix, but i once played with broken speakers myself and had similar results.
Not long now before you can cruise your Rolls Royce over the city boulevard with your arm out the window, pumpin' dem beatz. :D
Hopefully one day devtty, still seems a long way off at the moment 👍👍👍
One at a time vince and then everything will be fixed
@@MymatevinceI would say it is going along rather nicely. You are still quicker than Project Binky ;-)
These look like mid-range frequency speakers with a built in tweeter. They weren't the best of speakers but they would suffice for the usual listener. However an Audiophile, would expect subwoofer, mid-range speaker and tweeter all place in separate locations and aimed at the listener, in between you would also have crossovers with the input coming from the audio source and the respective outputs going to each driver (speaker).
I miss that stuff, I used to tinker with car installs in my younger years.
Always excited to see a new Rolls Royce video, I look forward to these more than I'd like to admit ahah
Well done Vince, for at least trying to save those speakers from landfill.
Ohh what a nice surprise, spent the last week or so starting and catching up on this series!
Could kinda tell you dont know much about speakers.... Good try to fix them though. When Im replaceing speakers that are attached to amplifiers, I turn the amp down to "nom" or half way, then turn up the volume on the head unit itself. Once thats done, I turn the amp until I get slight distortion, the turn back 1 notch... Works everytime and I always get pleasing results. Most amplifiers, either stand alone or built in usually distort once over the half way point and start to sound horrible and "crashy". Keep up the good work Vince, really enjoying these videos. I really like the way that you use amethodoligy of - try this, then try that if the first try that doesnt't work...
Keep pumping out these great videos
I`ve just refoamed my speakers (2 x 8 inch woofers), It really is easy, new foam rings can be had from Ebay, mine cost £6.75 with glue, and arrived within two days. Just a bit of measuring to do to get the right size,
The cap is to adjust crossover most likely for the tweeter centre, and i dont really see these lasting very long after a repair seeing that the paper cone breaking down eventually after a few years of use. Interesting way of repairing the foam/rubber surround thou, ingenius.
You gave it a good go at the end of the day but getting the new ones was the right move.
one thing I have learned over time, is as long as the watts isn't excessive because then you need a power source like an amp. is the more watts the speakers can do the better the sound quality at normal volume. usually only need an amp if the radio can't do enough channels or if running something like a subwoofer. but used to run £25 per pair speakers from halfords without the need of an amp, probably the same type as you just bought, as I am talking 10+ years ago now. but to be fair this was going to be nearly impossible to repair the speakers, as once they have gone it is kind of cheaper and easier to replace than to repair. but well worth the try though. great video Vince.
Ludwig van Beethoven was well into his career and almost completely deaf when he wrote his famous piano piece, Fur Elise, in 1810. It was not published during his lifetime, only being discovered 40 years after his death, and may be termed either a Bagatelle or an Albumblatt. Bagatelle No. 25 in A minor for solo piano, commonly known as "Für Elise", is one of Ludwig van Beethoven's most popular compositions.
oh man, those few seconds of liquid tape spreading were delightful on my ears.
Love this series. Just when you think, we’ll there’s not hope of fixing that, it’s not even worth trying, Vince dives in and give it a shot. A worthy attempt on this one, even though it didn’t quite pan out in the end.
Thanks Zoinks 👍👍👍
On this weeks episode of MMV, can we build a speaker out of flex tape and glue! Lol. Loved the classical music for the sped up speaker repair part.
I don't think those speakers will handle all that gangster rap you listen to Vince
while the pioneers obviously sound and perform better, i think you had a great idea and it worked out pretty good for restoring those old speakers, maybe they weren't great for loud volume but they certainly did work
Thanks Adam 👌👍
If Mad Max had a Rolls Royce and needed it fixing. Well done, Vince.
I would not mess with those, if it is not done properly, you may mess up the amp. That will be much more costly to repair/replace. I would get something more modern, with better sound. When you push down on it, you shouldn't feel any scratching, between the coil and the magnet. It has to be precisely centered. If you have a scope, you can adjust the gain on that amp, until the sine wave is still a nice sine wave. You don't want a flat top sine wave.
Finally back to the rolls 👌🏻
awesome video :) so glad you got the newer speakers :)
Same here 😂 Cheers GDaddy 👌
Well done for trying Vince
I'm glad that you made the attempt to re foam those speakers. It made for good content. Just replacing the speakers wouldn't have been enough content. Very good video my mate.
Thankgod your back missed your content
LOL you said I wouldn’t like this repair… you were right, nice attempt though!
I thought thay would have been ok too...if you don't try these things then you would never have known, nice try vince 👍
Thanks Stacie 👍👍👍
We've got almost the same same vacuum and I still have my trusty DC-07 too.
Old pioneer speakers sound very good than today products
You could probably get a universal foam kit for 4 or 5 inch speakers. If you can't shim the voice coil apply a small voltage to the speaker to help keep it centered.
Hiya mate it was worth a go to find out however that fix would work with old speakers from the 1960s where they don't need to move as much top video as always
Good job mate 👍
With the original speakers you were suffering with high volume distortion, You did the right thing in getting more powerful speakers
Handsome try Vince.distortion at higher levels is sadly that surround.bloody great attempt at a difficult repair to some.
the white door insulation foam for heat inslation on doors / windows is good. sometimes found in black.
Ahhhhhhhh blue mat heaven!
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Would it not be possible to just put a 2 position switch somewhere drilled through the casing?
Blue Mat - Yayyyyyyyyy!
Vince Give it a try see what they sound like personally the best option was to get new surrounds the new one will sound good 24 watts will work fine.
I once "fixed" the surround of some car speakers using spray glue and kitchen cling film. But these were more like rubber surrounds (they just vibrated off at the edges), not this foam stuff that just dissolves to dust over time. The fix worked fine in my case, but a replacement surround would have been much better, I'm sure. All types of such fixes create an imbalance in the movement and/or reduce maximum excursion (Xmax) of the cone which can cause the voice coil to scratch away on the pole core or just run hot and die
Great fix Vince, sounds great.
Sounded OK to me but then I've got hearing loss from decades of heavy metal. Worth it.
Really cool original fix. Thumbs up from me Vince
I don’t know if you still want to mess with the old speakers, but using your battery to pull the speaker cone to its bottom limit then taping at that length might be more successful on the cheap.
I had the same problem in my 56 plate Picasso, the whole of the rubber surround had rotted out in all 4 speakers so I just took the old speakers out, put the speaker grills back on and wired in 4 surround sound speakers and it works really well😁😁😁😁
I was crying for you watching you tape up the speakers and all the work you put into them, while also laughing my **** off because I have seen them being repaired and never once was tape used
it will work, 9v battery is a bit harsh for a 4-ohm load, 1.5 battery or even 3v button cell, be better.
Just buy 4 new pioneer speakers,same brand as was fitted originally.i got 4 from my local parts place for about 40 quid.they sound great now.👍oops,should have waited till end before commenting.think theyre the same as i got.halfords are to expensive tho lol.look forward to the next fix.
Cool attempt to repair these speakers Vince! Far better to just replace them imho - unless you can get decent replacement foam pieces! =D
Well worth a try £60 is nowt for a RR nice to see the blue mat back 👍
Hehe on the opposite end of the motoring spectrum, my MK2 Reliant Robin is still plagued with brake problems... I fixed up the bad parts on the rear circuit which promptly blew out the two front wheel cylinders once I rebuilt the master cylinder O.o Went to brake, it made a graunchy sound then me foot hit the floor and had to bring the old girl to a halt via my handbrake. Just waiting on a new set of shoes to arrive then I can button it all up, new cylinders, new bridge pipe, all new flexi's fore and aft, proper Girling rebuild kit on the master. It does actually stop, just it was pumping fluid out the front like billy-o so its just waiting on the last parts.
Doing a re cone would have worked however they wouldn't be worth the cost to do them. It's worth it for really expensive subs I send out $7k or more drivers that are obsolete to be re coned quite often and it's anywhere from 600 to 1400 a driver. But when they come back and are reinstalled in the cabinets they sound brand new.
The problem with restricting their movement is the energy being put in by the Amp has to go somewhere. If the cone can't move, then the whole frame of the speaker will try to flex causing distortion.
By the way, your Amp is still slightly misadjusted. I hear distortion. Gain is likely too high, or the head unit is oversaturating the input circuits of the amp.
Newer speakers have a new magnet technology that are much smaller and lighter than old school
Vince, I have been always a fan of yours, but not for this one, coz I'm an audiophile... there's an option to re-corn speakers. Don't know if that's possible in UK, but in India, where I'm living, threre are a lot of people who can re-corn it for you. In kerala, southernmost part of india, there is a place called Ernakulam or Cochin, in the electronics street, there are vendors who can re -corn any speaker, without loosing the performance. I understand you stand for DYI but you can always find raw materials for repairing it properly... sorry if I said anything wrong, but wanted to convey you that better DYI is available...
would have used Flex Seal on it but what a good fix for what you have around the shop .
Great stuff!
May be worth getting the right foamy bits to fix the old speakies anyway, maybe compare them or keep them or flip em on evilbay to make some money back.
Wait! A short Video?! On the Rolls Royce?! Never thought that would happen🤣 be honest: it looked really good, but sound wise.. no way!🤣
2:27 Shout out to the "Old Blue Mountain apps", as the closed captioning so closely captured that dialogue. 👏
Completed the same project on my Bentley. It's amazing how much of an improvement this makes. I was thinking though, they make a thin foam insulation tape for condensation lines that might have the flex that was missing in your original repair. I kept my old ones and may give it a go thanks to your inspiration!
Great try Vince!
The surrounds are NOT seals. They are simply a suspension mechanism for the cones.
I wonder if you can use balloon rubber just cut to the right shape
The power handling capabilities in watts actually tells nothing about the quality and max volume (efficiency).
It´s often just misused for marketing.
Just hit those speakers with a true 200w amplifier for a few seconds and they are done.
Since most car radios can output 30-40w, those speakers are usually designed for this target.
And that´s pretty much enough as you can hear.
Vince the tape on those speakers is equivalent to rubbing a wooden leg with Voltaren
The spiders on the old speakers would also have degraded after all these years. Repairing the surrounds is only one of the steps in a full restoration. Repairing the spiders is much harder. For the cheap speakers in a car the full restoration isn't worth the effort. New speakers is the way and as you've demonstrated new speakers sound really good. Even the cheap ones sound amazing.