Glad you made it through your mission. As a PSD for 25 years I can relate to exactly what you describe. In black water I find it difficult to orient up and down, you have to stop and feel the bubbles from your regulator run up the sides of your face to determine straight and level. Everything you describe is exactly as it happens. I think the most important part of your story is that you came back healthy and alive. Thank you for sharing such an honest and personal account. Stay safe!
Never ignore that inner voice. When it speaks, its your total experience telling you something is wrong. I am not on your diving level, just an advanced recreational diver, but I've done some climbing, solo kayaking in cold water and so. When it's not play anymore. Listen to that voice and look out for the Dunning-Krüger effect. It's lethal in some environments. When I was in the beginning of my climbing days, we was about to climb Matterhorn. We went up the day before, to learn the lower route we should climb in dark, with alpine start. We saved a guy, unequiped with shorts and running shoes, outside the trail near falling. That affected me alot. My inner voice said to me: "Anders, you are not ready for this. If you get up, you will be so tired you're a danger for yourself and others. You have kids. TURN!" I did. It was mentally hard. Not for not scaling the mountain, but for the consequences if I didn't listen. The next year I went on a technical rock climbing course. Told the instructor: Challenge me! And so he did. But I never returned to Matterhorn.
Thank you for speaking so honestly. It must of been hard to recall that for this video. A close friend of mine is a saturation diver and looked into body recovery training. He couldn't do it. The mental & emotional toll. The risk to your own life multiplies ten fold & then some. That voice kept you safe for another day 🙏 You bring closure to families & we are forever grateful for what you do. Sending love & a hug from Yorkshire UK XX 🤗 ❤ 🇬🇧
Claire, Thank you for taking the time to watch and listen to this, and above and beyond to reach out to me and share your impressions and hugs :) It was certainly an epic day for me and others. Lessons learned have helped me also reach out to others more deliberately, to make sure they are ok. Be safe and much love from here. God bless and thank you! David
Thank you for sharing. As a former member of Whispering Pines VFD, and spent many days on Sheridan Lake (summer and winter) I know how murky/dark that lake is. Just driving around the lake is a hazard as the road is super narrow and has tons of blind corners. Everyone involved took risks just being out there. Thanks for your dedication to helping others.
Thank you very much. The Volunteer Fire Departments were key this day in transporting across the lake several folk. THANK YOU for serving that beautiful place. I miss South Dakota and visit occasionally. Have a good one!
You listened and lived to continue to help others❤I am a former diver you are honest real and thank you for your story. Such a difficult dive recovery takes a very special person and you have this quality.
Wow, this is a moving story. I hope you have been able to come to terms with the choice you made. It was the right choice. I’m glad that the boy was recovered but if you had lost a diver trying to recover him would have only made this tragedy even worse. I trust that inner voice because it doesn’t happen often but when it does I can feel the seriousness of it. Blessed you for the work you chose to do. Not many people can do the job you do.
Amazing story and very well told. As a rescue trained diver, I can only imagine what that was like in ice and nil visibility, an absolute nightmare. These highly experienced divers are made of steel, it's pretty rare to see this kind of vulnerability shown. Reliance on gut instinct is a skill we have very nearly lost in today's world, I appreciate the reiteration on that in this video and the compassion inherent in saying "No one left behind". If only more of our society felt the same way... Thank you for reminding us of what really matters.
Thank you kind Sir. I really appreciate your thoughts and consideration. Was defiantly a tough day and the purpose for sharing is so well articulated by your comments. David
100% The Absolute Truth Is To “Listen To Your Instincts”! Being a retired Memphis Police Officer who has been shot at in three different incidents in my career, fought more men than women, fell in a 10 ft ditch busting my head open and breaking both feet, has seen every kind of death imaginable and been to Way Too Many Police Funerals…. I am absolutely certain that I survived From me actually listening to my gut instincts more than I can count. I may have PTSD, Manic Depression, Severe Anxiety and insomnia now, but I would do it All Over Again🙏🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤💙💙💙🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🙏
Wow you have been through it. Hats if to you for your intense sacrifice. Thank you so much for being open and sharing. I think the value in these hard ones is in finding the lessons learned and the wisdom gained. I hope you can continue to make friends with the traumas and hang tough. Respect and love. - David
I have dove with Provincial Police in training , night dive , Dam dive , auto recovery , and Body search . I have heard the conversations in underwater hazardous conditions , how far do you go and trust that it IS JUST A VOICE , not real , but who is it speaking ? The fact you did not recover is satisfactory , the person below ( sole ) has gone . A rescuer is no good if they have to be rescued and become a victim themselves. You mad the right decision . Thank you for your efforts.
Sounds like you had a whole dive team that wasn't cut out to do rescue/recovery dives. People panicking, you guys were lucky nobody else died that day. Glad you were able to get the body back to the family.
You are of course entitled to your opinion and if that is what you pulled from this story, your comments are shallow and uninformed. Sometimes well prepared, well trained and even very experienced divers can suffer the effects of the environment and the call out. It is true most of our senior divers were gone that day, but your judgement is not accurate from my "on the scene and in the water" perspective. As one of the International Dive Rescue Trainers lessons learned are one of the reasons this was posted. Cheers. David.
@@davidburnellthevelvethammer I didn't mean for that comment to be quite as negative as it seems. In my experience most people react the way the first 2 divers did. They get in the water and almost from the start they come over the comm saying "my hat isn't right" or "something is wrong", this is just panic. You go into a deep dark place and people get scared. You need to be able to talk yourself down off that ledge and get to the job at hand. Encountering a dead body isn't for everyone either. I found the hardest part wasn't the dead body but dealing with the very alive parents standing on shore when I found their son, very emotional.
That inner voice is your ancient, mammalian instinct. It never goes away, no matter how long ago (millions of years) it was developed. Always listen to your instinct. It is there to save your life or make other decisions. I can imagine the guilt you felt when not being able to rescue the kid. But he was gone before you went in. He was gone before anyone went in, I think. All of you did the best you could. People who blame you, just don't understand. They never listened to stories like these, they never watched footage and they sure never went for a dive. You did good. You really did. Thanks for the story and being so honest. I stumbled upon this by accident (was listening to Edd Sorenson talking about a rescue and recovery. But I am going to check out this channel too. Thanks again. And yes, you are a hero and so are the rest of people who try to save other people's lives (or animals) and risking their own to do so. That is what makes a hero. Not all the successes and pats on your own back.
This video is not what I expected it to be. As a nurse in a large trauma center, I so relate to that overwhelming feeling of failure when you just can't save someone. You are so right- we can't leave anyone behind, mentally. Not ever.
Yes I agree listen to your instincts. What a heart wrenching story. What honourable men and women first responders are so if you know a first responder be human and ask how they truly are, give them a hug or hand shake meet them for a beer and just talk be a mate be there for them show them you care.
I dove black water everyday during the 1990s. In alligator and snake infested ponds in plain old scuba gear, year round in wetsuits mostly in South Carolina. Mostly diving for golfballs between my S&R, salvage, repair, and removing nets and ropes tangled in shrimpboat props... Talk about monsters from the black lagoon, wait till you see the shadow of a 10 foot gator over you between the clouds of blackness, as you start to come up. And then think about knowing you will be doing it again the following day just to make ends meet. The last dive the water was 36° the alligators were not afraid to be in it, and the water black and I accidently "bumped" the gators belly and he went crazy. He did not like to be touched on the belly at all. We separated and I swime to the bank hold a 50lb bag full of golf balls climbing up a soft muddy bank, and some old guy hitting golf balls at me on purpose and I hand no tender. No dive buddy, and a passed off alligator letting me know that was his pond. The water depth was only 36 feet max. The following day I was called to remove the fouled rope on a 65ft gulf shrimper, and met face to face , a 7 foot bull shark. The following week, I went to my dad's house and walked in to the NC Forrest service a 3 days later I was a crew chief on a fire fighting airplane for half the year and loaded bug eradication airplanes the rest of the year... no more alligators, snakes, leaches, sharks, eels, barracuda, poor golfers, and cold a$$ water at 6.00 am! I became disabled in 2006, and I admit I miss it every day for some reason, and I still dive when I can .. I even got my girlfriend certified, ... but as for anything extrem, it's mostly shallow clear warm water and nothing overly too dangerous. No more recovery stuff. Occasionally I will go to 80 ft and sometimes the vis is not good at all but it's just to keep me on my toes these days. Lol
That is rough duty brother. I was called to the Amtrak crash in Florida, but was not available... I heard some of those nightmare stories. Thank you for doing the deed!
I watched Adventure with Purpose, Exploring with Nug, Sam Sam the Adventure man. The helped solve many missing peoples cold cases by Sonar, Fiving on Targets and sometimes finding the missing cars. Curious where you at??
We all have our moments , there are thing i struggle with , secretly , and its very real , things most people can never relate with , unless they were there , down there , some burdens must be born alone , But j find comfort , sorta , in my faith in God , thats all
The young man died soley because he recklessly jumped his vehicle and it crashed through the ice, drowning him! He hadn't fitted emergency air flotation bags to his vehicle, so it sank, and he failed to react fast enough to unbuckle himself and exit his vehicle. Neither of the people in the vehicle wore life jackets or personal flotation devices. Rescue and Recovery Divers should not endanger themselves unnecessarily by imposing crushing time parameters on themselves! Even as a highly trained and experienced professional, you shouldn't endanger yourself for a dead person whom is beyond help. Your life is more important than that, don't lose it to recover a body a few minutes earlier than was otherwise possible. Hearing what risks the fourth Diver took absolutely horrified me, he so terribly risked himself simply to recover a body that wasn't going anyplace, and wasn't in any hurry. Divers physical and mental wellbeing is hugely vulnerable, often due to their self imposed pressures. Remember, no call out is worth your life, don't become one of those five Rescue and Recovery Divers that die unnecessarily each year... Please be Safe!
Gas do not build up as fast in ice cold water, in fact sometimes when the risk benefit is to high teams may wait for the thaw and warmer months for the body to re-float for recovery.
Whats the point to risk your life if the boys is already dead. Has parent I could lost two boys and miracle happens and knowing the kid is dead I was not willing to put people at risk. Even if this the job they signed for they still have families and children.
This is the classic question and a great one I have asked myself many times. We still risk to return people - it is a very complex question and answer.
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Everyone who is silly over the water should watch this video. This really brings home what happens after you drown.
Glad you made it through your mission. As a PSD for 25 years I can relate to exactly what you describe. In black water I find it difficult to orient up and down, you have to stop and feel the bubbles from your regulator run up the sides of your face to determine straight and level. Everything you describe is exactly as it happens. I think the most important part of your story is that you came back healthy and alive. Thank you for sharing such an honest and personal account. Stay safe!
Thank you Frank. Glad to meet another PSD. I appreciate your service to others and your kind comment. David
Wow. An extraordinary story. People like you are the true hero’s.
Thank you, Vanessa! I have never felt much like that, but I am grateful you took the time to watch this. It has been life-changing for me.
Never ignore that inner voice. When it speaks, its your total experience telling you something is wrong.
I am not on your diving level, just an advanced recreational diver, but I've done some climbing, solo kayaking in cold water and so. When it's not play anymore. Listen to that voice and look out for the Dunning-Krüger effect. It's lethal in some environments. When I was in the beginning of my climbing days, we was about to climb Matterhorn. We went up the day before, to learn the lower route we should climb in dark, with alpine start. We saved a guy, unequiped with shorts and running shoes, outside the trail near falling. That affected me alot. My inner voice said to me: "Anders, you are not ready for this. If you get up, you will be so tired you're a danger for yourself and others. You have kids. TURN!" I did. It was mentally hard. Not for not scaling the mountain, but for the consequences if I didn't listen. The next year I went on a technical rock climbing course. Told the instructor: Challenge me! And so he did. But I never returned to Matterhorn.
Thank you for this comment and empathy. It is noticed and appreciated. Be safe out there as you climb to new heights.
Gods Telling you to get out
Thank you for speaking so honestly. It must of been hard to recall that for this video. A close friend of mine is a saturation diver and looked into body recovery training. He couldn't do it. The mental & emotional toll. The risk to your own life multiplies ten fold & then some. That voice kept you safe for another day 🙏 You bring closure to families & we are forever grateful for what you do. Sending love & a hug from Yorkshire UK XX 🤗 ❤ 🇬🇧
Claire, Thank you for taking the time to watch and listen to this, and above and beyond to reach out to me and share your impressions and hugs :) It was certainly an epic day for me and others. Lessons learned have helped me also reach out to others more deliberately, to make sure they are ok. Be safe and much love from here. God bless and thank you! David
Thank you for replying. ❤️❤️
Thank you for sharing. As a former member of Whispering Pines VFD, and spent many days on Sheridan Lake (summer and winter) I know how murky/dark that lake is. Just driving around the lake is a hazard as the road is super narrow and has tons of blind corners. Everyone involved took risks just being out there. Thanks for your dedication to helping others.
Thank you very much. The Volunteer Fire Departments were key this day in transporting across the lake several folk. THANK YOU for serving that beautiful place. I miss South Dakota and visit occasionally. Have a good one!
You listened and lived to continue to help others❤I am a former diver you are honest real and thank you for your story. Such a difficult dive recovery takes a very special person and you have this quality.
Thank you so much!
Wow, this is a moving story. I hope you have been able to come to terms with the choice you made. It was the right choice. I’m glad that the boy was recovered but if you had lost a diver trying to recover him would have only made this tragedy even worse. I trust that inner voice because it doesn’t happen often but when it does I can feel the seriousness of it. Blessed you for the work you chose to do. Not many people can do the job you do.
Thank you for your comment and thoughtfulness. Enough time has passed and at peace now. :)
Amazing story and very well told. As a rescue trained diver, I can only imagine what that was like in ice and nil visibility, an absolute nightmare. These highly experienced divers are made of steel, it's pretty rare to see this kind of vulnerability shown.
Reliance on gut instinct is a skill we have very nearly lost in today's world, I appreciate the reiteration on that in this video and the compassion inherent in saying "No one left behind". If only more of our society felt the same way...
Thank you for reminding us of what really matters.
Thank you kind Sir. I really appreciate your thoughts and consideration. Was defiantly a tough day and the purpose for sharing is so well articulated by your comments. David
@@davidburnellthevelvethammer Kind Lady, however I do appreciate your comment support. 🙂👌
100% The Absolute Truth Is To “Listen To Your Instincts”! Being a retired Memphis Police Officer who has been shot at in three different incidents in my career, fought more men than women, fell in a 10 ft ditch busting my head open and breaking both feet, has seen every kind of death imaginable and been to Way Too Many Police Funerals…. I am absolutely certain that I survived From me actually listening to my gut instincts more than I can count. I may have PTSD, Manic Depression, Severe Anxiety and insomnia now, but I would do it All Over Again🙏🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤💙💙💙🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🙏
Wow you have been through it. Hats if to you for your intense sacrifice. Thank you so much for being open and sharing. I think the value in these hard ones is in finding the lessons learned and the wisdom gained. I hope you can continue to make friends with the traumas and hang tough. Respect and love. - David
😊Thank you for your service Memphis is rough ❤❤💙💙❤❤
I have dove with Provincial Police in training , night dive , Dam dive , auto recovery , and Body search . I have heard the conversations in underwater hazardous conditions , how far do you go and trust that it IS JUST A VOICE , not real , but who is it speaking ? The fact you did not recover is satisfactory , the person below ( sole ) has gone . A rescuer is no good if they have to be rescued and become a victim themselves. You mad the right decision . Thank you for your efforts.
Thank you!
thank you and I have an incredible amount of respect for what you do, and above all grateful!
Thank you!
That was God talking to you, we hear him even when we don’t realize it’s him. So glad you listened to Him!!
Thank you very kindly.
❤God Bless you for all the incredible saves and rescues you do!!❤😊😊
Thank you :)
Thank you for your selflessness.
Thank you kindly.
Sounds like you had a whole dive team that wasn't cut out to do rescue/recovery dives. People panicking, you guys were lucky nobody else died that day. Glad you were able to get the body back to the family.
You are of course entitled to your opinion and if that is what you pulled from this story, your comments are shallow and uninformed. Sometimes well prepared, well trained and even very experienced divers can suffer the effects of the environment and the call out. It is true most of our senior divers were gone that day, but your judgement is not accurate from my "on the scene and in the water" perspective. As one of the International Dive Rescue Trainers lessons learned are one of the reasons this was posted. Cheers. David.
@@davidburnellthevelvethammer I didn't mean for that comment to be quite as negative as it seems. In my experience most people react the way the first 2 divers did. They get in the water and almost from the start they come over the comm saying "my hat isn't right" or "something is wrong", this is just panic. You go into a deep dark place and people get scared. You need to be able to talk yourself down off that ledge and get to the job at hand. Encountering a dead body isn't for everyone either. I found the hardest part wasn't the dead body but dealing with the very alive parents standing on shore when I found their son, very emotional.
We said and I agree. Be safe brother.
That inner voice is your ancient, mammalian instinct. It never goes away, no matter how long ago (millions of years) it was developed. Always listen to your instinct. It is there to save your life or make other decisions.
I can imagine the guilt you felt when not being able to rescue the kid. But he was gone before you went in. He was gone before anyone went in, I think. All of you did the best you could. People who blame you, just don't understand. They never listened to stories like these, they never watched footage and they sure never went for a dive.
You did good. You really did.
Thanks for the story and being so honest. I stumbled upon this by accident (was listening to Edd Sorenson talking about a rescue and recovery. But I am going to check out this channel too.
Thanks again. And yes, you are a hero and so are the rest of people who try to save other people's lives (or animals) and risking their own to do so. That is what makes a hero. Not all the successes and pats on your own back.
Thank you so much for the kind thoughts and taking the time to write. I appreciate it sincerely. David
This video is not what I expected it to be. As a nurse in a large trauma center, I so relate to that overwhelming feeling of failure when you just can't save someone. You are so right- we can't leave anyone behind, mentally. Not ever.
Oh my days ive never listened to anything like this best of us thank you 👏💚🇮🇪
Thank you Danny!
Yes I agree listen to your instincts. What a heart wrenching story. What honourable men and women first responders are so if you know a first responder be human and ask how they truly are, give them a hug or hand shake meet them for a beer and just talk be a mate be there for them show them you care.
Thank you for taking the time Jane :)
Incredible story, thank you for sharing this.
You are welcome and thank you.
I dove black water everyday during the 1990s. In alligator and snake infested ponds in plain old scuba gear, year round in wetsuits mostly in South Carolina. Mostly diving for golfballs between my S&R, salvage, repair, and removing nets and ropes tangled in shrimpboat props...
Talk about monsters from the black lagoon, wait till you see the shadow of a 10 foot gator over you between the clouds of blackness, as you start to come up. And then think about knowing you will be doing it again the following day just to make ends meet. The last dive the water was 36° the alligators were not afraid to be in it, and the water black and I accidently "bumped" the gators belly and he went crazy. He did not like to be touched on the belly at all. We separated and I swime to the bank hold a 50lb bag full of golf balls climbing up a soft muddy bank, and some old guy hitting golf balls at me on purpose and I hand no tender. No dive buddy, and a passed off alligator letting me know that was his pond. The water depth was only 36 feet max. The following day I was called to remove the fouled rope on a 65ft gulf shrimper, and met face to face , a 7 foot bull shark. The following week, I went to my dad's house and walked in to the NC Forrest service a 3 days later I was a crew chief on a fire fighting airplane for half the year and loaded bug eradication airplanes the rest of the year... no more alligators, snakes, leaches, sharks, eels, barracuda, poor golfers, and cold a$$ water at 6.00 am!
I became disabled in 2006, and
I admit I miss it every day for some reason, and I still dive when I can .. I even got my girlfriend certified, ... but as for anything extrem, it's mostly shallow clear warm water and nothing overly too dangerous. No more recovery stuff. Occasionally I will go to 80 ft and sometimes the vis is not good at all but it's just to keep me on my toes these days. Lol
That is rough duty brother. I was called to the Amtrak crash in Florida, but was not available... I heard some of those nightmare stories. Thank you for doing the deed!
What an important message
@@christineadey5496 thank you!
I watched Adventure with Purpose, Exploring with Nug, Sam Sam the Adventure man. The helped solve many missing peoples cold cases by Sonar, Fiving on Targets and sometimes finding the missing cars. Curious where you at??
Just saw this sorry for the delay. Salt Lake City, Utah area.
😊 It seems it all went exactly as it was supposed to. And you know the thing is, (He) didn't leave you behind. You listened..
Wendi, thank you for taking the time to express this very much appreciated thought. Be safe and have a great day! David
We all have our moments , there are thing i struggle with , secretly , and its very real , things most people can never relate with , unless they were there , down there , some burdens must be born alone , But j find comfort , sorta , in my faith in God , thats all
I share that faith and yes it does help. Thank you Steven!
Sounds like God said GET OUT....LISTEN to the voice.....
Why is the hole cut in the shape of a triangle?
We do that so we can easily replace the section of ice after the recovery or rescue.
Intense dark seconds, still search light; Argue over time, will teach, all efforts matter.
Thank you.
The young man died soley because he recklessly jumped his vehicle and it crashed through the ice, drowning him!
He hadn't fitted emergency air flotation bags to his vehicle, so it sank, and he failed to react fast enough to unbuckle himself and exit his vehicle.
Neither of the people in the vehicle wore life jackets or personal flotation devices.
Rescue and Recovery Divers should not endanger themselves unnecessarily by imposing crushing time parameters on themselves!
Even as a highly trained and experienced professional, you shouldn't endanger yourself for a dead person whom is beyond help.
Your life is more important than that, don't lose it to recover a body a few minutes earlier than was otherwise possible.
Hearing what risks the fourth Diver took absolutely horrified me, he so terribly risked himself simply to recover a body that wasn't going anyplace, and wasn't in any hurry.
Divers physical and mental wellbeing is hugely vulnerable, often due to their self imposed pressures.
Remember, no call out is worth your life, don't become one of those five Rescue and Recovery Divers that die unnecessarily each year...
Please be Safe!
Very interesting story, deep felt
Thanks for listening
Watched a dive rescue documentary, they say the feeling of doom is due to oxygen nitrogen mix and saturation in the blood. Not sure how true that is.
Could be, but we do never used mixed gases on our missions.
Do bodies bloat in that cold? I ask because if they don't decay then they don't bloat and if they don't bloat then they don't float.
Gas do not build up as fast in ice cold water, in fact sometimes when the risk benefit is to high teams may wait for the thaw and warmer months for the body to re-float for recovery.
Wow. ❤
Whats the point to risk your life if the boys is already dead. Has parent I could lost two boys and miracle happens and knowing the kid is dead I was not willing to put people at risk. Even if this the job they signed for they still have families and children.
This is the classic question and a great one I have asked myself many times. We still risk to return people - it is a very complex question and answer.
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Next time don't add the sad piano music and you will have a perfect video. 👍
@@nejuspesnejsi You are so rude, and ignorant making this statement!!
Halfway watching this video in my toenails are curling in the hairs on the back of my neck are standing straight up
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