Modern arts derived from classical jujutsu/budo still use but have forgotten the significance of the very useful concept of kamae (kurai dori) as a framework to work from. The physical as well as the psychological posturing is so critical in real world self defense. It's interesting to watch them treat it so superficially. The ancestors get dismissed so easily today but they knew about life and death on the daily.
I'm glad you're trying to bring attention to the lack of self defense training judo. I myself never cared about the competition side of judo or jiujitsu. At every school I've trained at, no matter if its some form of striking or grappling most people have no interest in competing. It's sad to see once combat arts turned into sport
Great idea to teach Judo for self defence . It worked for me great in my early Judo days when I was attacked by a boxer, jumped on him ( after eating a few punches and realizing I stand no chance in striking) threw with O Goshi , landed on him in Kesa Gatame and then Ude gatame.... it worked.
The thing I really like about Kesa Gatame from the Ju Jitsu teaching is that they show it with the choke. In Judo they just seem to teach it as a hold.
You have said it perfectly! We are watering down these great arts to make them sports. Let's stop removing the martial side of martial arts or we will just end up with an art similar to dancing.
With all due respect. Every time I see someone talking about “watering down” to make a safe sport, I know that person does not understand what Kano did. Pick any deadly or dangerous technique you care to name. Now, how in the hell are you going to master it? In a real time, full speed and power, against a fully resisting opponent, how do you master your technique? Do you blind or cripple a dozen partners until you do? The genius of Jigoro Kano was that the way you defeat so called deadly techniques, that can not be practiced, is with safe techniques that can be mastered. If you doubt me, check out the basic instincts of self defense DVD and keep in mind it’s the Polish Olympic team demonstrating the skills. It’s also the best training video for one on one unarmed attacks.
Martial arts is a dance. We don't break our Ukes. That said when I see Judo taught I feel like the self defense aspect is being lost. Kano, Mifune, Goody didn't just know Judo. They also knew Ju Jitsu as well as other martial arts. It's hard to appreciate the beauty of one without the other.
Yeah, fortunately I have a little boxing ability so I'm not forced to rely on a watered down version of Judo that I'm not very good at as my sole defense.
People who study judo wouldn't understand that the art itself is completely reduce and strip away from its greatness. Goshin jutsu and atemi waza is barely even used. True judoka's that studies judo understands that the art itself was always meant for self-defense and less sport. Plus, the true essence of judo came from jujutsu. And BJJ? I wouldn't even call it art when it's meant for sport only. It has no substance, nor flexibility for well-rounded adaptation. Machado jiu-jitsu too me represents survival and preservation. It's a better version of BJJ and it actually employs upper joint locks, and manipulations that can transition into throws and takedowns.
@@Dragonflyjones67 You yourself claiming that something is better than the other, means you haven't haven't studied Judo. Read the Kanji and know what it means. I merely made a joke and it's gone way over your head.
A worthy expression of an important point. Professor Henry Seishiro Okazaki’s Kodenkan Judo & Jujitsu syllabus kept up the self defense and the healing components more than most Hawaiian schools. Have always been grateful for those aspects. I’ve also trained in Kōdōkan Judo and BJJ concurrently, but neither has emphasized the self defense or healing aspects as much so really have always felt the visceral need for all three.
@@Chadi Yes, I remember You did a good job on a largely unknown but very influential system. The AJI remains the oldest martial arts organization outside of Asia and was a pioneer in hybrid integrated mixed martial arts along with Kajukenbo. Interestingly, it also offers a glimpse of what Judo was like before WWII when the fuller curriculum was more widely practiced and when the aspects of character development, self defense, and healing arts were more of a priority over competition. Competition is valuable too, as Judo was a pioneer in “pressure testing” martial arts against fully resistant opponents. When you train your whole life though, it is valuable to have the full spectrum of the syllabus available to you so that you can continue to train proactively.
You know Chadi, there is something very important. What you really need is to practice in the "reality based" or as close as possible to the real street fighting conditions (awareness, etc) until you make it a reflexion something you can do without the thinking process. I knew one military guy from my country, they are taught the same techniques but in a very basic level (no principles, ie: kuzushi, etc, isted using a lot of strenght) but they are forced to practice every single day during at least a couple of hours. To my surprise, when I saw this guy fighting, technique by itself is so great that even when is not executed properly, It worked.
It is nothing new (at least to me) there always have been lots of great japanese Jiu Jitsu Masters in France. I remember buying the spanish/argenitinian Martial Arts Magazines like three decades ago (when there was not internet, or I did not have access to it) or reading books from the 40's from my Judo Teachers, and there were a lot of French Masters as well as English, Belgium or Dutch. I remember specially one Frech/Algerian who was a student of Minoru Mochizuki Sensei. Wow What a tecquique and street ready. That was not the only one. If I can find those magazines I´ll take some pictures and send them to you. I know you might have bumped into/ or heard about some of them
Very cool curriculum... I myself would love to write my own book on the matter... I believe if you wrote a book full of curriculum ...and history and examples... I would buy your book... Dont forget pictures. Lots of picture. 👍
I'm such a fan of your channel you bring a lot of historical facts to the table. This has always been an interesting topic for me because I have been training in Karate for many years and Self Defence, competition has been a part of my curriculum. I never got into the competition but self-defence has become a priority.
Chadi, I had to subscribe. You did an excellent job with this video and your comments are spot on. This April was my 48th year in Karate, Shotokan and like you bring out, if we don’t get back to what this was intended for, we will simply have a mockery of an art only fit for dancing. Sport is fun and challenging but if the focus is on that alone, one is missing out on a lot. Thank you for such a fine presentation. I have a funny story to tell you that happened to me, when I was the Karate instructor at a famous Judo Master’s dojo.
I cannot understand why they simply cant teach self defense and just leave those techniques out when it comes time to compete. BJJ is having this same issue lots of sport little to no emphasis on self defense.
@@Chadi Its good that you do videos like this. It seems they don’t understand a lot of people don’t want or care to compete and care more about self defense. I guess it will come down to opening our own schools one day to train how we want. In an ideal world it would be you are not a black belt unless you know self defense or you are not allowed to compete unless you know self defense.
Could you please tell how and where you get the information for these and the history type videos? Maybe some resources you commonly go back to? ( books, web sites, etc.) I love those kinds of videos and the history of judo in general. I would like to do some research of my own.
How true! We need to remind our martial brothers and sisters competition has its place. However we must always train for combat and defense. Thank you Chadi for the review. 💯👌🤔👊👍
That last Video with Mifune looked like a kata we teach called Kemeno kata. Although it's a bit different as I assume it's changed over the years. I was curious if you had the full video of it?
This is actually a great video . It has been said - No one and nothing is completely worthless It can always serve as a bad example . Thumbs up and all the best .
Buen video!!! Sin embardo la defensa personal hoy en día es bastante más compleja que en los viejos tiempos, los escenarios se transforman rápidamente con arma blanca, arma de fuego, varios oponentes etc... Es un reto complejo. Gracias por tu aporte. Buen trabajo!!!
Early catch-as-catch-can versus jiu-jitsu/judo contests to 1910 (Note: All these bouts were held under no-holds-barred, mixed styles, or alternating falls rules) 9/5/1904-Bellingham, WA-Frank Gotch beat K. Aoyogi 2/27/1905-Salt Lake City, UT-Eddie Robinson beat Kaduro Murayama 3/8/1905-Baltimore, MD-Columbus beat Hako 3/17/1905-St. Louis, MO-George Baptiste beat Arata Suzuki (Harada) 4/6/1905-New York, NY-George Bothner beat Katsukuma Higashi 7/26/1905-Hendersonville, NC-Phelan D. Beale beat Koizuma 8/4/1905-Asheville, NC-Akitaro Ono beat Big Tom Frisbee 8/29/1905-Hendersonville, NC-Phelan D. Beale beat Koizuma 9/15/1905-Asheville, NC-Charles Olson beat Akitaro Ono 10/31/1905-NY, NY-Alex Swanson beat Katsukuma Higashi 11/3/1905-Rockford, IL-Emil Klank beat Arata Suzuki 12/18/1905-Atlanta, GA-Mitsuyo Maeda beat Sam Murbarger 6/24/1906-New Orleans, LA-Charles Olson beat Arata Suzuki (Harada) 1/21/1909-Vancouver, BC-Matty Matsuda beat Fred O'Neill 1/24/1909-San Francisco, CA-Shosha Yokoyama drew George Braun 4/10/1909-San Francisco, CA-Shosha Yokoyama beat George Braun 5/30/1909-Los Angeles, CA-Shosha Yokoyama beat George Santell 6/26/1909-Los Angeles, CA-Eddie Robinson beat Shosha Yokoyama 9/2/1909-Seattle, WA-Tokoguro Ito beat Eddie Robinson 11/12/1909-Seattle, WA-Tokoguro Ito beat George Braun 1/22/1910-Mexico City, Mexico-Hjalmar Lundin beat Nobu Taka (Satake) 1/23/1910-Mexico City, Mexico-Mitsuyo Maeda drew Hjalmar Lundin 1/24/1910-Mexico City, Mexico-Nobu Taka (Satake) beat Hjalmar Lundin 3/16/1910-Seattle, WA-Tokoguro Ito beat Julius Johnson 5/10/1910-Guadalajara, Mexico-Mitsuyo Maeda beat Fred Beall (Note: This was not the famous wrestler Fred Beell from Marshfield, WI) 11/24/1910-Ogden, UT-Ed Ferguson beat Shosha Yokoyama www.scientificwrestling.com/public/BEFORE-MMA-2-East-Meets-West1905-CatchAsCatchCan-Takes-on-JiuJitsu.cfm
I started out in judo in the 1970s as it had a reputation as being good for self defence. However l quickly discovered that there was practically no self defence applications taught and that it was purely for contest. After 3 years of judo l moved to other arts which looking back now after 40 years was a shame as judo has much to offer.
Within the Judo Federation in France (FFJDA) there is also the traditional Japanese Ju-Jitsu Section, along with Kyudo and Kendo as well as Taiso. The Ju-Jitsu guys moslty provide the self-defense aspect in the FFJDA. It is worth to not that most of the self defense is in the judo san dan curriculum.
I wonder where the 20 techniques (time 5:33) come from. I do know that these 4 series of 5 attacks can be found in the E-bo-no-kata (www.jbn.nl/uploads/Beschrijving-Ebo-No-Kata.pdf). They can also be found in the duo-systems jiu-jitsu competition format (www.jbn.nl/uploads/4.12-Wedstrijdreglement-jiu-jitsu-duo-system-6-2-2020.pdf). I would like to get a link to the website of the French judo federation where I can find the image shown.
I made this request a long time ago. I'll do it again, given you are so focused on self defense aspect of the art. You seriously need to check JJIF (Ju Jutsu Inernational Federation) style of Ju Jutsu.
i believe JJIF covers the self defence aspects what you are asking Neil Adams and the French Judo Federation. You are correct that judo does need to seek self defence aspects for our art.
Balance and efficiency are the basic words of a good self defense, if you are in a discussion and moving, speak like the Italians as gracie said, if you stand still adopt a posture a little more to the side and not facing you, put your arm down and holding the elbow of the opposite arm, and that opposite arm with the hand on the chin, like the position of thinker, you are making it clear that you are attentive, confident, and that you are listening to it, which gradually calms the situation down , we have to remember that not everyone is a robust man, this applies to women and the elderly, self-defense is like defusing explosions and not the other way around. good work.
@@joatanpereira4272 I believe Mario learned nakoni ju jutsu at first, but he has developed and/or changed a lot to the way he believes is more practical, so I don't know what to call it other than ju jitsu.
100% agree… I got my kids and myself into judo because we wanted to learn self defence. It’s a bummer that so much of Judo is focused on competitive sport only… there is a huge potential which is not being tapped into.
@@agalvan91 That's a guy called Andre Galvao. He's multiple times BJJ world champion, and talks a lot of sh*t online. But when actually things heated up, he had no answer for those slaps. Got humbled immediately.
@13:25 This training applied to being seated in a chair (instead of the mat) would be more useful to a majority of people - getting rid of "classical mess" and having something that looks real. I think I have seen something like that in self-defense from a wheelchair!
Any links to the French curriculum? I couldn't find anything in a quick web search, but, may be my English language requirement limits what I find... I'd also like to find links to the video. It seems the French judo federation is doing a bit of innovating, I was just learning about the Kodomo no kata, and found many things to like in their program vs the Kodokan version. Anyway, the self defense demo was very interesting. I am familiar with the USJF self defense program, and it does not follow the principles you discuss here...
Weird question, but how does one get slapped in a "self-defense" situation...? I can see it happening in an "ego-defense" situation, but this may not be covered in many curriculums...
It’s funny how your posting a vid pleading with the Judo federation for a self defense curriculum. The Gracies have their 36 combatives that many martial arts communities made fun of especially the Bjj sports world. But like you mentioned, old school application of self defense is important for Judo students to get the best of both worlds. I love and practice self defense Gracie Jiujitsu. Most students who only roll never believe in the self defense aspect.
I'm the nicest of ways I kind of want to see a video where someone tries to attack Rickson. I only say that because 1. You see it in action and 2. I can just imagine him being so polite and calm while restraining a furious attacker. "Ey my friend relaxxxxx..."
JJIF DUO kata system. I believe Judo Federation in France also covers the JuJitsu International Federation and supports their Jujitsu athletes. "Self defense" JuJitsu for sport.
Most Duo Katas seen on JJIF competitions look like movie stunts, totally unrealistic and just for show. Not stating all of them...but surely most, from what I see. Also... JJIF Fighting System competitors (most of them) showcase karate stances and fight bouncing and jumping around, just like in a typicall karate point scoring match. They do have a good idea and project ... But (to me) ... there is still something lacking. Still prefer Kudo and Combat Sambo to JJIF Fighting System.
I Chadi, for me Every Single ( vdc ) descr/Istruc. Its a Very Important Elements and Support on diffusion Concept of Martial Arts Colture. .. Thank so Much for This. .. Grazie .. Osu ... ☺😊😀/👍👌👏👋
So in a way, the self-defense techniques done by judo standards are the same in nature as Aikido, just in kata form. Even a combat sport with a great methodology as Judo has not evolved their self-defense practice to the point where it can be trained against a resisting partner. It obviously cannot be practiced from the perspective of a sport where both combatants are trying to apply the same set of techniques to each other within certain regulations and using a determined strategy, for self-defense what is needed is an uke that keeps performing the role of attacker with different levels of resistance so nage can develop a good self-defense technique and strategy.
I believe Tomiki had the right idea with competitive knife randori to improve self-defense but in my opinion, he should have focused on Judo and wrestling techniques for this. Competitive rule sets should help practitioners stay safe while they find the best techniques through trial and error as opposed to trying to limit the type of techniques to a particular style. I believe this is why old-school Judo rule sets and BJJ rule sets are so good. Competitive knife randori forces one competitor to be the attacker and the other to be the defender, so it would be more like a self-defense situation, but the current rule sets hinder its usefulness for learning self-defense. An example of this is that stabs with the knife do not count once there are grips.
Besides fists and kicks, real self-defense jiu-jitsu should also include the study of blades / knives / swords. Studying blades is also more authentic to the style; many techniques in Japanese martial arts, even the ones that seem questionable, start to make sense once you imagine that the other person wants to draw their weapon, feudal Japan style
this video shows how jiu jitsu is the mother of most Japanese martial arts... i just wonder why there are so few kobudo left all new martial arts are like split versions of jui jitsu .. that's odd isn't it?
Well... the answer is simple. Jiujitsu/Jujutsu/Jujitsu (whatever) is in fact most Japanese Martial Arts. It was always split. It was a Pre-Meiji generic term for Japanese hand to hand combat systems. Kind of like Kung Fu embodies several schools...so did Jujitsu. Many Ryus and many ways of doing things. So...yeah... 🤷🏻♂️✌🏼🙌🏼
I agree with what you say about the direction of judo. I disagree however about being ultra-conservative about self-defense aspects and only pulling techniques from historical judo/jiu-jitsu. At least 50% must be fresh thinking and also adaptation of Western (or other) martial arts. Just a little boxing would do wonders.
@@Chadi A modernized version of Judo self defense syllabus with modern atemis (boxing included), also adding Gracie Combatives newaza into it, would be awesome 👌🏼
History Kodokan Self Defence Goshin Jitsu (is the same now as) Kime no Kata (more a formal hassle) Should be optional. It shows that Self Defence evolves over time (yourself and the system) need to be flexible. Your Real World Self Defence Response I would build a form of Gracie / BJJ and the latest improved Self defence responses. Practice Arm, Wrist, Finger locks and other techniques as INDIVIDUAL techniques.
I could not agree more with your assessment, most people become interested in Martial Arts for three reasons fun, fitness and self defense. Yet most Judo Schools exclude self defense aspects of Judo and don't show techniques that can't be used under current IJF rules. I think this is killing Judo in the US, they are training people as though they are going to the Olympics and ignoring the reason they were interested in Judo in the first place.
Hello from Paris what are you see in France or Miami Valents Bros I know., are all coming from Japanese jiu jitsu. Not Judo. Judo is young comparing to Jiu-jitsu. Judo is a branch of Japanese Jj. I am BB 3rd grade instructor in Bjj and Jjj. I have 22 years experience.
helio gracie linage is self defence carlos gracie sport self defence students progressive-bjj system sylvio-behring Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Kioto System F. Mansur Rolls Gracie, Rickson Gracie, Royler Gracie, Royce Gracie, Relson Gracie, Rorion Gracie, Carlos "Caique" Elias
Yeh...that Gracie 'self-defense' intro was a waste of time, bro. It's crap. I FF'd before it was done. The only thing decent was the slap. On a legalistic level, THAT act gives you the justification to fuck someone up. You cannot be the aggressor or instigator of violence in the modern world without going to prison or standing before a judge. You have to take a shot to make a move otherwise, YOU go to jail for being the bad guy. It has happened to me. The rest of the vid is good! I agree. Training to setup a guy into a takedown, submission and coup de grace SHOULD BE DONE FROM A DYNAMIC ENTRY. FMA guys only do entries from a dynamic perspective because it is a weapon based system and responses are delivered from different positions. The guys here on the West Coast USA including jiu-jitsu, BJJ and FMA execute takedown from dynamic entry. We've been doing it for years. As an old man, I've never done entries from a static position (false handshake, judo grip only, etc..) during my entire martial arts career. So...there was never a time even before shitty Gracie Brasilian jiu-jitsu came on the scene here where techniques were practiced from a static position. Tell you what...Gracies got that shit from the West Coast community, bro. it's not endemic to BJJ. They got it from us.
Modern arts derived from classical jujutsu/budo still use but have forgotten the significance of the very useful concept of kamae (kurai dori) as a framework to work from. The physical as well as the psychological posturing is so critical in real world self defense. It's interesting to watch them treat it so superficially. The ancestors get dismissed so easily today but they knew about life and death on the daily.
The last sentence is key
@@Chadi Absolutely.
"The ancestors get dismissed so easily today but they knew about life and death on the daily." SO TRUE
I'm glad you're trying to bring attention to the lack of self defense training judo. I myself never cared about the competition side of judo or jiujitsu. At every school I've trained at, no matter if its some form of striking or grappling most people have no interest in competing. It's sad to see once combat arts turned into sport
Thank you very much for the support
Spot on. I sort of stopped going to BJJ because it was just "sport" focused all the time and geared up for people wanting to enter competitions.
Great idea to teach Judo for self defence . It worked for me great in my early Judo days when I was attacked by a boxer, jumped on him ( after eating a few punches and realizing I stand no chance in striking) threw with O Goshi , landed on him in Kesa Gatame and then Ude gatame.... it worked.
Of course it works
The thing I really like about Kesa Gatame from the Ju Jitsu teaching is that they show it with the choke. In Judo they just seem to teach it as a hold.
@@SulingClarinet it is Osaikomi but Judokas attack off it.
You have said it perfectly! We are watering down these great arts to make them sports. Let's stop removing the martial side of martial arts or we will just end up with an art similar to dancing.
With all due respect. Every time I see someone talking about “watering down” to make a safe sport, I know that person does not understand what Kano did. Pick any deadly or dangerous technique you care to name. Now, how in the hell are you going to master it? In a real time, full speed and power, against a fully resisting opponent, how do you master your technique? Do you blind or cripple a dozen partners until you do? The genius of Jigoro Kano was that the way you defeat so called deadly techniques, that can not be practiced, is with safe techniques that can be mastered. If you doubt me, check out the basic instincts of self defense DVD and keep in mind it’s the Polish Olympic team demonstrating the skills. It’s also the best training video for one on one unarmed attacks.
Martial arts is a dance. We don't break our Ukes. That said when I see Judo taught I feel like the self defense aspect is being lost. Kano, Mifune, Goody didn't just know Judo. They also knew Ju Jitsu as well as other martial arts. It's hard to appreciate the beauty of one without the other.
Yeah, fortunately I have a little boxing ability so I'm not forced to rely on a watered down version of Judo that I'm not very good at as my sole defense.
Chadi, The Judo / Jiu-Jitsu channel on TH-cam! Thanks for posting! Jiu-Jitsu, BJJ, Gracie Jiu-Jitsu, is JUDO!
Expressions of the same art
No! Judo is Jiu-Jujitsu!
@@sfkingalpha And, Rickson is 400 - 0!
People who study judo wouldn't understand that the art itself is completely reduce and strip away from its greatness. Goshin jutsu and atemi waza is barely even used. True judoka's that studies judo understands that the art itself was always meant for self-defense and less sport. Plus, the true essence of judo came from jujutsu. And BJJ? I wouldn't even call it art when it's meant for sport only. It has no substance, nor flexibility for well-rounded adaptation. Machado jiu-jitsu too me represents survival and preservation. It's a better version of BJJ and it actually employs upper joint locks, and manipulations that can transition into throws and takedowns.
@@Dragonflyjones67 You yourself claiming that something is better than the other, means you haven't haven't studied Judo. Read the Kanji and know what it means. I merely made a joke and it's gone way over your head.
As an italian myself "speaking like italian lalalala" got me rolling on the floor laughing
Lol me too, watch my interviews i can only talk with my hands
My sensitive cancel culture brain is offended...... lol
We Italians doesn't speaks with hands,
we're only ready to combat.
lol
Kkkkkkkkkk
Brazilians are very funny
My wife is Italian...she makes this comment a lot
A worthy expression of an important point. Professor Henry Seishiro Okazaki’s Kodenkan Judo & Jujitsu syllabus kept up the self defense and the healing components more than most Hawaiian schools. Have always been grateful for those aspects.
I’ve also trained in Kōdōkan Judo and BJJ concurrently, but neither has emphasized the self defense or healing aspects as much so really have always felt the visceral need for all three.
I covered them a while back
@@Chadi Yes, I remember
You did a good job on a largely unknown but very influential system. The AJI remains the oldest martial arts organization outside of Asia and was a pioneer in hybrid integrated mixed martial arts along with Kajukenbo.
Interestingly, it also offers a glimpse of what Judo was like before WWII when the fuller curriculum was more widely practiced and when the aspects of character development, self defense, and healing arts were more of a priority over competition.
Competition is valuable too, as Judo was a pioneer in “pressure testing” martial arts against fully resistant opponents.
When you train your whole life though, it is valuable to have the full spectrum of the syllabus available to you so that you can continue to train proactively.
@@OLOHEKAI i agree
Excellent Chadi! Thank you for beeing a voice of reason in the judo community
Thank you Kleydson
You know Chadi, there is something very important. What you really need is to practice in the "reality based" or as close as possible to the real street fighting conditions (awareness, etc) until you make it a reflexion something you can do without the thinking process. I knew one military guy from my country, they are taught the same techniques but in a very basic level (no principles, ie: kuzushi, etc, isted using a lot of strenght) but they are forced to practice every single day during at least a couple of hours. To my surprise, when I saw this guy fighting, technique by itself is so great that even when is not executed properly, It worked.
Thanks Chadi, I appreciate the time and effort you put into your channel
Thank you
It is nothing new (at least to me) there always have been lots of great japanese Jiu Jitsu Masters in France. I remember buying the spanish/argenitinian Martial Arts Magazines like three decades ago (when there was not internet, or I did not have access to it) or reading books from the 40's from my Judo Teachers, and there were a lot of French Masters as well as English, Belgium or Dutch. I remember specially one Frech/Algerian who was a student of Minoru Mochizuki Sensei. Wow What a tecquique and street ready. That was not the only one. If I can find those magazines I´ll take some pictures and send them to you. I know you might have bumped into/ or heard about some of them
I dig the message here. I'm into the self-defense aspects of BJJ. I love sport training but we can't forget the arts' self defense roots.
Very cool curriculum...
I myself would love to write my own book on the matter... I believe if you wrote a book full of curriculum ...and history and examples... I would buy your book... Dont forget pictures. Lots of picture. 👍
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and well presentations 🥋
Thank you lazizi
This channel produces so much value. This video is A+.
Great!!! Chadi!
I'm such a fan of your channel you bring a lot of historical facts to the table. This has always been an interesting topic for me because I have been training in Karate for many years and Self Defence, competition has been a part of my curriculum. I never got into the competition but self-defence has become a priority.
Thank you very much
Chadi, I had to subscribe. You did an excellent job with this video and your comments are spot on. This April was my 48th year in Karate, Shotokan and like you bring out, if we don’t get back to what this was intended for, we will simply have a mockery of an art only fit for dancing. Sport is fun and challenging but if the focus is on that alone, one is missing out on a lot. Thank you for such a fine presentation. I have a funny story to tell you that happened to me, when I was the Karate instructor at a famous Judo Master’s dojo.
Thank you
SpeakingLikeItalian ryu
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I cannot understand why they simply cant teach self defense and just leave those techniques out when it comes time to compete. BJJ is having this same issue lots of sport little to no emphasis on self defense.
100% judo and bjj face the same issue
@@Chadi Its good that you do videos like this. It seems they don’t understand a lot of people don’t want or care to compete and care more about self defense. I guess it will come down to opening our own schools one day to train how we want.
In an ideal world it would be you are not a black belt unless you know self defense or you are not allowed to compete unless you know self defense.
@@naakaalastudio6655 "if you don't know self defense, you don't know jiu jitsu"
Rickson Gracie
@@Chadi I cannot disagree with Rickson on that at all.
"Speak like an italian; La la la la" HAHAHAHA totally on point, I would've added "Dibbity dabbity"
The Fighting System event rules from the Ju-Jitsu International Federation are perfect for judoka: point striking + grappling.
Could you please tell how and where you get the information for these and the history type videos? Maybe some resources you commonly go back to? ( books, web sites, etc.) I love those kinds of videos and the history of judo in general. I would like to do some research of my own.
Thank you! There's many resources, i suggest, Harrison's writings, Kano's writings and just be curious, i don't have a vault i just research
Judo en familia is a good site too
Damn I love this channel
I really like this Chadi, thank you
How true! We need to remind our martial brothers and sisters competition has its place. However we must always train for combat and defense. Thank you Chadi for the review. 💯👌🤔👊👍
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Nice vídeo! Do you have a link on the original Valente brothers vídeo?
That last Video with Mifune looked like a kata we teach called Kemeno kata. Although it's a bit different as I assume it's changed over the years. I was curious if you had the full video of it?
Very well put, thank you my friend.
This is actually a great video . It has been said - No one and nothing is completely worthless It can always serve as a bad example . Thumbs up and all the best .
Well done.
Thank you
Great content Chadi!
Rickson is a judo black belt in addition to his jiu-jitsu rank. Osu!!
True! Many members of the Gracie family trained with sensei Georges Medhi the highest ranking in judo who spent 5 years at Tenri
excellent-thanks-Ari
Buen video!!! Sin embardo la defensa personal hoy en día es bastante más compleja que en los viejos tiempos, los escenarios se transforman rápidamente con arma blanca, arma de fuego, varios oponentes etc... Es un reto complejo. Gracias por tu aporte. Buen trabajo!!!
Mario🙇🏻♂️
Early catch-as-catch-can versus jiu-jitsu/judo contests to 1910 (Note: All these bouts were held under no-holds-barred, mixed styles, or alternating falls rules)
9/5/1904-Bellingham, WA-Frank Gotch beat K. Aoyogi
2/27/1905-Salt Lake City, UT-Eddie Robinson beat Kaduro Murayama
3/8/1905-Baltimore, MD-Columbus beat Hako
3/17/1905-St. Louis, MO-George Baptiste beat Arata Suzuki (Harada)
4/6/1905-New York, NY-George Bothner beat Katsukuma Higashi
7/26/1905-Hendersonville, NC-Phelan D. Beale beat Koizuma
8/4/1905-Asheville, NC-Akitaro Ono beat Big Tom Frisbee
8/29/1905-Hendersonville, NC-Phelan D. Beale beat Koizuma
9/15/1905-Asheville, NC-Charles Olson beat Akitaro Ono
10/31/1905-NY, NY-Alex Swanson beat Katsukuma Higashi
11/3/1905-Rockford, IL-Emil Klank beat Arata Suzuki
12/18/1905-Atlanta, GA-Mitsuyo Maeda beat Sam Murbarger
6/24/1906-New Orleans, LA-Charles Olson beat Arata Suzuki (Harada)
1/21/1909-Vancouver, BC-Matty Matsuda beat Fred O'Neill
1/24/1909-San Francisco, CA-Shosha Yokoyama drew George Braun
4/10/1909-San Francisco, CA-Shosha Yokoyama beat George Braun
5/30/1909-Los Angeles, CA-Shosha Yokoyama beat George Santell
6/26/1909-Los Angeles, CA-Eddie Robinson beat Shosha Yokoyama
9/2/1909-Seattle, WA-Tokoguro Ito beat Eddie Robinson
11/12/1909-Seattle, WA-Tokoguro Ito beat George Braun
1/22/1910-Mexico City, Mexico-Hjalmar Lundin beat Nobu Taka (Satake)
1/23/1910-Mexico City, Mexico-Mitsuyo Maeda drew Hjalmar Lundin
1/24/1910-Mexico City, Mexico-Nobu Taka (Satake) beat Hjalmar Lundin
3/16/1910-Seattle, WA-Tokoguro Ito beat Julius Johnson
5/10/1910-Guadalajara, Mexico-Mitsuyo Maeda beat Fred Beall (Note: This was not the famous wrestler Fred Beell from Marshfield, WI)
11/24/1910-Ogden, UT-Ed Ferguson beat Shosha Yokoyama
www.scientificwrestling.com/public/BEFORE-MMA-2-East-Meets-West1905-CatchAsCatchCan-Takes-on-JiuJitsu.cfm
This comment is underrated
I started out in judo in the 1970s as it had a reputation as being good for self defence. However l quickly discovered that there was practically no self defence applications taught and that it was purely for contest. After 3 years of judo l moved to other arts which looking back now after 40 years was a shame as judo has much to offer.
@1:50 You raise up on the balls of your feet to make it easier to distribute and/or shift your body weight to maintain grounding and stability.
@Chadi Can you make a video on Chin Na? Chinese Grappling, submission fighting.
You got it
Within the Judo Federation in France (FFJDA) there is also the traditional Japanese Ju-Jitsu Section, along with Kyudo and Kendo as well as Taiso. The Ju-Jitsu guys moslty provide the self-defense aspect in the FFJDA. It is worth to not that most of the self defense is in the judo san dan curriculum.
3:28 Why doesn't the attacker go for his extremely vulnerable elbows?
I wonder where the 20 techniques (time 5:33) come from. I do know that these 4 series of 5 attacks can be found in the E-bo-no-kata (www.jbn.nl/uploads/Beschrijving-Ebo-No-Kata.pdf). They can also be found in the duo-systems jiu-jitsu competition format (www.jbn.nl/uploads/4.12-Wedstrijdreglement-jiu-jitsu-duo-system-6-2-2020.pdf). I would like to get a link to the website of the French judo federation where I can find the image shown.
I made this request a long time ago. I'll do it again, given you are so focused on self defense aspect of the art. You seriously need to check JJIF (Ju Jutsu Inernational Federation) style of Ju Jutsu.
i believe JJIF covers the self defence aspects what you are asking Neil Adams and the French Judo Federation. You are correct that judo does need to seek self defence aspects for our art.
well placed clip of the "slap heard around the world" lolol
As someone who does bjj I love throws, ogoshi is one of my favorite techniques 😄.
I am all about Self defence. I thank God for GM Henry that was my Karate instructor and Master Marcos who is my Japanese Jujitsu instructor.
Balance and efficiency are the basic words of a good self defense, if you are in a discussion and moving, speak like the Italians as gracie said, if you stand still adopt a posture a little more to the side and not facing you, put your arm down and holding the elbow of the opposite arm, and that opposite arm with the hand on the chin, like the position of thinker, you are making it clear that you are attentive, confident, and that you are listening to it, which gradually calms the situation down , we have to remember that not everyone is a robust man, this applies to women and the elderly, self-defense is like defusing explosions and not the other way around. good work.
Great insight
The attacks in the thumbnail are from the Ebo-no kata, from Mario den Edel. It's a traditional style of ju jutsu I train :). Great video!
Thank you
What's the name though?
@@joatanpereira4272 I believe Mario learned nakoni ju jutsu at first, but he has developed and/or changed a lot to the way he believes is more practical, so I don't know what to call it other than ju jitsu.
@@casparbosch5615 Edel-ryu Ju Jutsu sound nice
Why don't you Commentate over my LIVE RANDOM GRAB Defense Videos & showcase that?
I have a video regarding multiple opponents coming up, I'll use a small clip of yours showcasing it.
@@DanTheWolfman Will do my man
100% agree… I got my kids and myself into judo because we wanted to learn self defence. It’s a bummer that so much of Judo is focused on competitive sport only… there is a huge potential which is not being tapped into.
4:30 The smack that humbled jiu-jitsu master. Instant classic.
Who is that being slaped on the video, Kalle?
@@agalvan91 That's a guy called Andre Galvao. He's multiple times BJJ world champion, and talks a lot of sh*t online. But when actually things heated up, he had no answer for those slaps. Got humbled immediately.
@13:25 This training applied to being seated in a chair (instead of the mat) would be more useful to a majority of people - getting rid of "classical mess" and having something that looks real. I think I have seen something like that in self-defense from a wheelchair!
What are the names of the 12 enchantments techniques or the les 12 enchainements
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽I love our art. So many dimensions and expressions.
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Any links to the French curriculum? I couldn't find anything in a quick web search, but, may be my English language requirement limits what I find... I'd also like to find links to the video. It seems the French judo federation is doing a bit of innovating, I was just learning about the Kodomo no kata, and found many things to like in their program vs the Kodokan version. Anyway, the self defense demo was very interesting. I am familiar with the USJF self defense program, and it does not follow the principles you discuss here...
th-cam.com/video/fAC4_rfBINU/w-d-xo.html
Weird question, but how does one get slapped in a "self-defense" situation...? I can see it happening in an "ego-defense" situation, but this may not be covered in many curriculums...
That is one funky looking belt, LOL! He must be the very best at his style. I bet he wears it home and in the street too.
Olympic is more important than self defense. I wish they have a syllabus that require self defence in the judo grading in order to be graded.
May I know where the first clip is from?
Rickson's course
Which rank exam. Best of luck 👍👍👍
Rickson Gracie nice person i have chance to meet him in 1997 Ontario tournament
Very good intro!!!
It’s funny how your posting a vid pleading with the Judo federation for a self defense curriculum. The Gracies have their 36 combatives that many martial arts communities made fun of especially the Bjj sports world. But like you mentioned, old school application of self defense is important for Judo students to get the best of both worlds. I love and practice self defense Gracie Jiujitsu. Most students who only roll never believe in the self defense aspect.
I'm the nicest of ways I kind of want to see a video where someone tries to attack Rickson. I only say that because 1. You see it in action and 2. I can just imagine him being so polite and calm while restraining a furious attacker. "Ey my friend relaxxxxx..."
JJIF DUO kata system. I believe Judo Federation in France also covers the JuJitsu International Federation and supports their Jujitsu athletes. "Self defense" JuJitsu for sport.
Most Duo Katas seen on JJIF competitions look like movie stunts, totally unrealistic and just for show. Not stating all of them...but surely most, from what I see.
Also... JJIF Fighting System competitors (most of them) showcase karate stances and fight bouncing and jumping around, just like in a typicall karate point scoring match.
They do have a good idea and project ... But (to me) ... there is still something lacking.
Still prefer Kudo and Combat Sambo to JJIF Fighting System.
@@BFerreira82 JJIF now has Conact JuJitsu very similar and full contact
@@realryanbowen Nice 👌🏼🤙🏼
Yes we also have jujutsu fighting
@@BFerreira82 Their YT channel has videos from the Fighting System event: it's point striking + grappling (no strikes allowed during grappling ).
I Chadi, for me Every Single ( vdc ) descr/Istruc. Its a Very Important Elements and Support on diffusion Concept of Martial Arts Colture. .. Thank so Much for This. .. Grazie .. Osu ... ☺😊😀/👍👌👏👋
Thank you Luigi
0:46 😂
So in a way, the self-defense techniques done by judo standards are the same in nature as Aikido, just in kata form.
Even a combat sport with a great methodology as Judo has not evolved their self-defense practice to the point where it can be trained against a resisting partner.
It obviously cannot be practiced from the perspective of a sport where both combatants are trying to apply the same set of techniques to each other within certain regulations and using a determined strategy, for self-defense what is needed is an uke that keeps performing the role of attacker with different levels of resistance so nage can develop a good self-defense technique and strategy.
Chadi, for your research, grandmaster Wally Jay of Hawaiian Small Circle Jujitsu & Judo.
I believe Tomiki had the right idea with competitive knife randori to improve self-defense but in my opinion, he should have focused on Judo and wrestling techniques for this. Competitive rule sets should help practitioners stay safe while they find the best techniques through trial and error as opposed to trying to limit the type of techniques to a particular style. I believe this is why old-school Judo rule sets and BJJ rule sets are so good. Competitive knife randori forces one competitor to be the attacker and the other to be the defender, so it would be more like a self-defense situation, but the current rule sets hinder its usefulness for learning self-defense. An example of this is that stabs with the knife do not count once there are grips.
Knife randori like this and Tankendo are great to really train for knife reflex.
Besides fists and kicks, real self-defense jiu-jitsu should also include the study of blades / knives / swords. Studying blades is also more authentic to the style; many techniques in Japanese martial arts, even the ones that seem questionable, start to make sense once you imagine that the other person wants to draw their weapon, feudal Japan style
We Italians doesn't speaks with hands,
we're only ready to combat.
CHADI & GUYS CHECK MY NEW IMPORTANCE OF LIVE RANDOM GRAB DEFENSE VIDEO. CHADI if u think u have something to add u could dub it over yourself
Watched it! It was solid
this video shows how jiu jitsu is the mother of most Japanese martial arts... i just wonder why there are so few kobudo left all new martial arts are like split versions of jui jitsu .. that's odd isn't it?
Well... the answer is simple. Jiujitsu/Jujutsu/Jujitsu (whatever) is in fact most Japanese Martial Arts. It was always split.
It was a Pre-Meiji generic term for Japanese hand to hand combat systems.
Kind of like Kung Fu embodies several schools...so did Jujitsu. Many Ryus and many ways of doing things.
So...yeah... 🤷🏻♂️✌🏼🙌🏼
Check out veejitsu fillipino Juitsu.Founder Professor Florindo Visitation.
I agree with what you say about the direction of judo. I disagree however about being ultra-conservative about self-defense aspects and only pulling techniques from historical judo/jiu-jitsu. At least 50% must be fresh thinking and also adaptation of Western (or other) martial arts. Just a little boxing would do wonders.
I never said use ONLY old techniques, i particularly said evolve the basic 20 attacks and add a ne waza self defense curriculum.
And yes a little boxing combos and drills added would do wonders
@@Chadi A modernized version of Judo self defense syllabus with modern atemis (boxing included), also adding Gracie Combatives newaza into it, would be awesome 👌🏼
you re wrong in France this teaching is mainly for championship , where self defense disappears fully in fact !
That's the point of this video, we use these for exam and championship and not self defense
Look in TH-cam for " Italian man who went to Malta 😂😂😂
History
Kodokan Self Defence Goshin Jitsu (is the same now as) Kime no Kata (more a formal hassle)
Should be optional.
It shows that Self Defence evolves over time (yourself and the system) need to be flexible.
Your Real World Self Defence Response
I would build a form of Gracie / BJJ and the latest improved Self defence responses.
Practice
Arm, Wrist, Finger locks and other techniques as INDIVIDUAL techniques.
I could not agree more with your assessment, most people become interested in Martial Arts for three reasons fun, fitness and self defense. Yet most Judo Schools exclude self defense aspects of Judo and don't show techniques that can't be used under current IJF rules. I think this is killing Judo in the US, they are training people as though they are going to the Olympics and ignoring the reason they were interested in Judo in the first place.
Show de vídeo oss
Everybody have a plan until they got punch in the face....
If u want combat kung fu do kempo jujitsu
I'll check
Hello from Paris what are you see in France or Miami Valents Bros I know., are all coming from Japanese jiu jitsu. Not Judo. Judo is young comparing to Jiu-jitsu. Judo is a branch of Japanese Jj. I am BB 3rd grade instructor in Bjj and Jjj. I have 22 years experience.
helio gracie linage is self defence carlos gracie sport
self defence students
progressive-bjj system sylvio-behring
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Kioto System F. Mansur
Rolls Gracie, Rickson Gracie, Royler Gracie, Royce Gracie, Relson Gracie, Rorion Gracie, Carlos "Caique" Elias
Royler is very competition oriented. I come from his lineage, my other Lineage comes from FEU -Malibu -Rickson.
@@inglesdavimartins
th-cam.com/video/rnIEY3G5DeM/w-d-xo.html educate yourself and watch this old video helio gracie self defense and carlos sport
Yeh...that Gracie 'self-defense' intro was a waste of time, bro. It's crap. I FF'd before it was done. The only thing decent was the slap. On a legalistic level, THAT act gives you the justification to fuck someone up. You cannot be the aggressor or instigator of violence in the modern world without going to prison or standing before a judge. You have to take a shot to make a move otherwise, YOU go to jail for being the bad guy. It has happened to me. The rest of the vid is good! I agree. Training to setup a guy into a takedown, submission and coup de grace SHOULD BE DONE FROM A DYNAMIC ENTRY. FMA guys only do entries from a dynamic perspective because it is a weapon based system and responses are delivered from different positions. The guys here on the West Coast USA including jiu-jitsu, BJJ and FMA execute takedown from dynamic entry. We've been doing it for years. As an old man, I've never done entries from a static position (false handshake, judo grip only, etc..) during my entire martial arts career. So...there was never a time even before shitty Gracie Brasilian jiu-jitsu came on the scene here where techniques were practiced from a static position. Tell you what...Gracies got that shit from the West Coast community, bro. it's not endemic to BJJ. They got it from us.
As much as i would b affraid if this man n front o me ..... i fear 1 man more Iron Mike. ..
Train self defense
U r 1week late i just a black eye😂
Damn! Are you okay??
Under care
@@sonnnongphud5762 Pray an act of perfect contrition everyday
this is an absolutely inoperative technique ... it's funny to look at this clownery
Self defense is bullcrap
Self defense training is a boring waste of time.
Until u get attacked with a bottle by a drunkard.... 🙈🙊🙉