I took my 700 dollar down country hard tail and made it into all mountain. Changed the coil suspension to rock shock air suspension with more travel, upgraded hydraulic brakes to higher performance brakes pads and dics, changed tire to more aggressive tread and changed my drive terrain from 3x7 to 1x12. Yeah I could of bought a more expensive bike but it was fun upgrading the bike and I got to choose each part.
This video is probably the *most* comprehensive and most importantly, _clear_ exploration of the subject I've seen on TH-cam so far. Almost every other video I've seen will simply show the increasingly identical-looking bikes next to each other without explaining what the actual trails they were meant to be on actually _look_ like; I've finally answers to questions I've had for literal YEARS!
My current bike, a 2021 GT Force Alloy is sitting between an all mountain and enduro bike. 150mm put back, 170 up front, but it’s not a total boat and can make its way up technical climbs surprisingly well. I’ve hit everything from green to single black trails on it, and it was still fun on green trails but shines on steep tech. Plus for $3500 it was worth every cent. I even did an xc time trial on it and didn’t finish last in my category solely because of the descents.
I love the look of the DH and Enduro bikes but it turns out I'm a XC / Trail type of rider , I use the bike to explore places and I also use it to get to those places
Ok, since I'm interested in top versatility, guess the all-mountain category would be for me. These really look like bikes that can do it all, like the stumpjumper evo.
great video! I've got a gravel bike already and wanted something I could ride all day but handle more intermediate downhill fireroads and singletrack, and a downcountry bike fit the ticket. I bought a Santa Cruz Tallboy and couldn't be more safisfied.
Thanks Phill great video all the info presented in a nononsense way as usual. Still loving my Marin Riftzone which i bought based off one of videos. Thanks for all your hard work👍
Had to heat up a bowl of oats for this one. Very excited! These review and buyers guides are the best on youtube hands down! Berm Peak should take Notes :P
@@trailtalkmtb6603 yeah they are getting a lot of hype but your right they might not fit in the budget range. Maybe you can give your thoughts in another question video, would love to hear it.
I recently purchased a hardtail frame. While researching geo I got really confused on seat tube angle because it seems like every manufacturer measures it differently. I wouldn’t mind seeing a video explaining that.
I don't recommend XC bikes unless they plan on becoming an XC racer. A trail bike is more forgiving. The geometry and extra grip make up for lack of skill. So I feel trail bikes are actually better for beginners. Hopefully manufacturers continue more entry level mountain bikes with trail geometry. Thanks for the video!
100%! I find the geo a bit too aggressive for most (especially when looking at race bikes like the anthem and epic). Trail bikes a more comfortable and forgiving, plus they allow plenty of room for progression
@@trailtalkmtb6603 although,now u got bikes blurring the lines between xc/down country ..Example the new Allied bc40 ..I see guys using it anywhere from 100mm fork to 130mm fork and in lighter Enduro races. Handles trail duty easily..May just be my next bike..But man that price....
really well made video . you should get a sommet cr and review it not many people have a proper review of that bike. The rest are sponsored so they aren't able to say everything
bought my siskui t8, still waiting for it to show up. I used your affiliate link, as your video reviews helped me the most in my research/decision. Thanks - hope you get your credit/"kick-back" to support your channel!
@@trailtalkmtb6603 thanks, dude, truly looking forward to riding it & from your reviews (& others...but yours were definitely the most helpful), I feel it'll be the right ride for me & my style. Now I just gotta get it... shipping has been delayed, again. Has nothing to do w/you, & frankly I think bikesonline is doing their best, too. Can't wait to get that purple ripper!
frankly speaking, over past 3 yrs of me owing a mini enduro bike and been agressively riding, for the majority of oz mtb riders, long travel 29er (140--160) trail bikes or AM bikes would suit the best, which eat up the the big chuck easily and pedal friendly. oz is just as too flat, nothing too steep.
100%! I'd say an AM bike would be the best option for enduro racing in AUS too, especially with a more experienced rider. There is a couple of places where a bigger bike would be nice but for the vast majority AM or trail would be best. I'm loving my 135/140 on the Siskiu T!
Great video, really covered everything really well & glad to see that you seem to have settled in to Brisbane nicely. What bike type you think would be best for Brisbane?
Thanks mate! Really appreciate it. Love it up here, definitely need to ride more but have been rehabbing a bad back for the past few weeks. Id say a short travel trail bike would be the best option. Makes the pedally trails fun but still capable enough to tackle the longer blue descents and the of black trail at mt cotton and samford.
Got it, thanks. I'm sort of thinking about a Norco fluid fs2 at the moment, but it's probably going to be a while til the 2022 range becomes available. really looking forward to the buyer's guides and thanks for putting all this effort to help us out. Best wishes with the recovery
What a fantastic video well thought out and the diagrams/info are a fantastic touch and help visually in taking the information you’re providing, especially for a ‘newbie’ like myself . So just a quick shout-out to you and thanks . Love from Manchester, UK! 🇬🇧 🤙🏾
I have a Santa Cruz Bronson , is it a Trail Bike or Enduro it has 160 travel in front. Some videos say it's a Trail and others say it's an Enduro. Confused.
Appreciate your videos heaps mate, especially as someone riding in SEQ! Do you think the canyon spectral is too much bike for general trail use? I'm starting to push a bit harder but nothing crazy at all. My poor $1000 xc hardtail has been flogged through the trails including castle hill and mt Joyce black runs and I'm ready to upgrade.. if the spectral is overbike then I'm thinking the Neuron or Siskiu t8...
Looking to buy a full sus down country bike , but can't find anything in europe, other than lux trail - but ive heard so many horror stories with canyon I dont know if I want to risk that. Contacted them like 4-5 times and they weren't even able tell me even basics like what damper is there, dropper insertion depth, if caliper can be lifted for bigger rotors, etc. Very very bad customer support. Other than that I can't find any carbon ones that doesn't cost like 5k €.
Can you please suggest me on which category I need to go my requirements are I want to ride on road as well as off-road,, I want something for steep climb but also for good descent,, and I also want speed and agility,,,,and it should be hardtail 🙏🙏🙏🙏 please reply
Hey, in my country there isn't a lot of dh bikes being sold especially used, so what are the best dh bikes under 4000€ or dollars? I'd propably go with used because good deals, and i don't want the bike to be super shiny and nice because itis a dh bike ofc
Question: I'm stuck between an Enduro or Trail. Trail is better for where I am, BUT!! - I'm 6'2'' - 250. Do I need the beefier bike for my weight? Does that Help?!
I would go the bike that suits the riding you are doing. You can always add volume spacers to suit you weight. An enduro bike wont be as fun on the more mellow stuff.
Enduro in terms of travel but more all mountain in terms of geo. So it will be a bit more playful but still be able to handle some bigger hits like an enduro bike
I took my 700 dollar down country hard tail and made it into all mountain. Changed the coil suspension to rock shock air suspension with more travel, upgraded hydraulic brakes to higher performance brakes pads and dics, changed tire to more aggressive tread and changed my drive terrain from 3x7 to 1x12. Yeah I could of bought a more expensive bike but it was fun upgrading the bike and I got to choose each part.
This video is probably the *most* comprehensive and most importantly, _clear_ exploration of the subject I've seen on TH-cam so far. Almost every other video I've seen will simply show the increasingly identical-looking bikes next to each other without explaining what the actual trails they were meant to be on actually _look_ like; I've finally answers to questions I've had for literal YEARS!
Thanks so much!
👍+1
Yeah! we are on the same page indeed!.
Don't forget the Giant Trance 29 trail bike. One of the best suspension systems , relative cheap and massive bikes.
My current bike, a 2021 GT Force Alloy is sitting between an all mountain and enduro bike. 150mm put back, 170 up front, but it’s not a total boat and can make its way up technical climbs surprisingly well. I’ve hit everything from green to single black trails on it, and it was still fun on green trails but shines on steep tech. Plus for $3500 it was worth every cent. I even did an xc time trial on it and didn’t finish last in my category solely because of the descents.
Everyone new to MTB should watch this! It will save you hours of research and set you on the right path.
I'm sure this video will be huge.
Fingers crossed!
I love the look of the DH and Enduro bikes but it turns out I'm a XC / Trail type of rider , I use the bike to explore places and I also use it to get to those places
This is a great video. Super ultra comprehensive with graphs, tables, bullet point summaries, videos, and photo examples. Thank you!
Been looking forward to this vid for ages, cheers Phil
Thanks mate! Been a long time coming!
Ok, since I'm interested in top versatility, guess the all-mountain category would be for me. These really look like bikes that can do it all, like the stumpjumper evo.
great video! I've got a gravel bike already and wanted something I could ride all day but handle more intermediate downhill fireroads and singletrack, and a downcountry bike fit the ticket. I bought a Santa Cruz Tallboy and couldn't be more safisfied.
Very well explained, this will help out a lot off people that are new to the sport. Briliant job Phill !!!
Thanks mate! That was the goal, so I'm glad you agree! Getting beginners on the right bike is always what I wanted the channel to be :)
What a surprise to wake up to watch this on my birthday 😄
Happy Birthday! Think of it as my present :)
Now i understand the types of Mt. bikes.
Here before the video blows up!
Haha we were thinking the same thing.
Thanks guys! hope so!
Aggressive short travel enduro bike 🤙
Thanks Phill great video all the info presented in a nononsense way as usual. Still loving my Marin Riftzone which i bought based off one of videos. Thanks for all your hard work👍
Thanks Hannah! Appreciate the kind words. Stoked to hear you got a Rift Zone, I can definitely see myself replacing my T8 with a Rift Zone eventually
Had to heat up a bowl of oats for this one. Very excited!
These review and buyers guides are the best on youtube hands down!
Berm Peak should take Notes :P
Thanks mate! Stoked to hear you enjoyed it!
Been looking forward to this! Hopefully you cover the new Scott RC and non RC version plus the Merida Big Trail
Love the big trail! The Scott's are a little out of the budget realm but they are soooo nice!
@@trailtalkmtb6603 yeah they are getting a lot of hype but your right they might not fit in the budget range. Maybe you can give your thoughts in another question video, would love to hear it.
Great overview Phil! There are so many categories these days. There's something out there for everyone.
Thanks mate! So many options! It's almost too hard to pick the right one now!
Top 5 most wholesome and informative channels of all time, great content man🔥
Thanks man! Really appreciate it!
I recently purchased a hardtail frame. While researching geo I got really confused on seat tube angle because it seems like every manufacturer measures it differently. I wouldn’t mind seeing a video explaining that.
Every should know that downcountry bikes are the best. Siskiu D7 all day
D7 for the win!
@@trailtalkmtb6603 would the d7 be better than the san quentin? Even though san quentin is a trail bike.
Such a enjoyable vid to watch mate.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks mate - great video - Sydney local ! Love it
Good to see you back again and the new format is looking good 👍and you make everything easy to understand 😀.
been waiting a while for a new vid from you man!
Thanks man! Been a long time coming!
Such an excellent and informative video! I like the chart of the different types of bikes. Gracias.
I don't recommend XC bikes unless they plan on becoming an XC racer. A trail bike is more forgiving. The geometry and extra grip make up for lack of skill. So I feel trail bikes are actually better for beginners. Hopefully manufacturers continue more entry level mountain bikes with trail geometry. Thanks for the video!
100%! I find the geo a bit too aggressive for most (especially when looking at race bikes like the anthem and epic). Trail bikes a more comfortable and forgiving, plus they allow plenty of room for progression
@@trailtalkmtb6603 although,now u got bikes blurring the lines between xc/down country ..Example the new Allied bc40 ..I see guys using it anywhere from 100mm fork to 130mm fork and in lighter Enduro races. Handles trail duty easily..May just be my next bike..But man that price....
really well made video . you should get a sommet cr and review it not many people have a proper review of that bike. The rest are sponsored so they aren't able to say everything
Thanks mate! Lot of effort on this one! Can't afford another bike at the moment but if I can get a hold of one in Australia, I'll take it for a ride
@@trailtalkmtb6603 Understandable how you're able to get a hold of one ! would love to see a review of it coming from you.
Enduro. Good for everything. Even downhill, bikepark and slopestyle.
bought my siskui t8, still waiting for it to show up. I used your affiliate link, as your video reviews helped me the most in my research/decision. Thanks - hope you get your credit/"kick-back" to support your channel!
Awesome to hear! Really appreciate it! You will love the T8
@@trailtalkmtb6603 thanks, dude, truly looking forward to riding it & from your reviews (& others...but yours were definitely the most helpful), I feel it'll be the right ride for me & my style.
Now I just gotta get it... shipping has been delayed, again. Has nothing to do w/you, & frankly I think bikesonline is doing their best, too. Can't wait to get that purple ripper!
my mild xc trail and urban riding I ride full rigid.
Best summary on the tube?
Hope so hahaha! Put a lot of work into this one!
Very informative video, thanks bro
Always like ur vids, was that daisy hill in ur vid
Thanks mate! Yep that's Daisy!
Vitus Nucleus 👌
Great Job!
Thanks!
frankly speaking, over past 3 yrs of me owing a mini enduro bike and been agressively riding, for the majority of oz mtb riders, long travel 29er (140--160) trail bikes or AM bikes would suit the best, which eat up the the big chuck easily and pedal friendly. oz is just as too flat, nothing too steep.
100%! I'd say an AM bike would be the best option for enduro racing in AUS too, especially with a more experienced rider. There is a couple of places where a bigger bike would be nice but for the vast majority AM or trail would be best. I'm loving my 135/140 on the Siskiu T!
Great video, really covered everything really well & glad to see that you seem to have settled in to Brisbane nicely. What bike type you think would be best for Brisbane?
Thanks mate! Really appreciate it. Love it up here, definitely need to ride more but have been rehabbing a bad back for the past few weeks. Id say a short travel trail bike would be the best option. Makes the pedally trails fun but still capable enough to tackle the longer blue descents and the of black trail at mt cotton and samford.
Got it, thanks. I'm sort of thinking about a Norco fluid fs2 at the moment, but it's probably going to be a while til the 2022 range becomes available. really looking forward to the buyer's guides and thanks for putting all this effort to help us out. Best wishes with the recovery
What a fantastic video well thought out and the diagrams/info are a fantastic touch and help visually in taking the information you’re providing, especially for a ‘newbie’ like myself .
So just a quick shout-out to you and thanks .
Love from Manchester, UK! 🇬🇧 🤙🏾
I use my hard tail for everything, not going to buy a 2k to 6k bike. and I'm having fun.
I’d argue that for the value, the Rocky Mountain Thunderbolt is the best trail bike out there.
It's a great bike, that's for sure but the prices are creeping up!
2:02 me exactly hahah
hahaha, just send it! She'll be right
Thank you for this video
Missing the Freeride style bike :)
Is the polygon siskiu T7, 27.5 considered AM?
I have a Santa Cruz Bronson , is it a Trail Bike or Enduro it has 160 travel in front. Some videos say it's a Trail and others say it's an Enduro. Confused.
can you still use an XC bike for trips to the bike park on green and blue level trails?
So the trail bike is the best for uphill and downhill terrain?
Ans can it take aggressive rider abuse as well?
Appreciate your videos heaps mate, especially as someone riding in SEQ! Do you think the canyon spectral is too much bike for general trail use? I'm starting to push a bit harder but nothing crazy at all. My poor $1000 xc hardtail has been flogged through the trails including castle hill and mt Joyce black runs and I'm ready to upgrade.. if the spectral is overbike then I'm thinking the Neuron or Siskiu t8...
What about the canyon stoic ? Is that trail am or enduro
It's enduro. Always!
A trail bike i prefer. All mountain and enduro i suppose is the same.
where is the bike build at my guy for the subscriber bike
Looking to buy a full sus down country bike , but can't find anything in europe, other than lux trail - but ive heard so many horror stories with canyon I dont know if I want to risk that. Contacted them like 4-5 times and they weren't even able tell me even basics like what damper is there, dropper insertion depth, if caliper can be lifted for bigger rotors, etc. Very very bad customer support. Other than that I can't find any carbon ones that doesn't cost like 5k €.
Have you checked out ROSE bikes? They have some great options too
@@trailtalkmtb6603 yeah, they don't have any down country bikes. Either 2.25" xc with geo from 1990s. Or a trail bike that's nearly 15kg.
Enduro all the way 😁
You know it!
@@trailtalkmtb6603 it’s all about that downhill fun. Plus it’s saved my ass a couple of times from going over the handlebars 😂
Question, i have a silverback stride comp and was wondering would this fall into xc or downcountry?
Can you please suggest me on which category I need to go my requirements are I want to ride on road as well as off-road,, I want something for steep climb but also for good descent,, and I also want speed and agility,,,,and it should be hardtail 🙏🙏🙏🙏 please reply
What bike should I get the fuel ex 7 or the Norco A3 sight
T8 is over $3000 in Australia.
Yeah bit more expensive in Aus, will have more accurate pricing in the proper buyers guide
@@trailtalkmtb6603 looking forward to it .
Hey, in my country there isn't a lot of dh bikes being sold especially used, so what are the best dh bikes under 4000€ or dollars? I'd propably go with used because good deals, and i don't want the bike to be super shiny and nice because itis a dh bike ofc
Was this footage filmed at Ourimbah state forest?
Geez one has to get 7-8 bikes now??? What's the deal w/ SuperEnduro??? Is Enduro and DH not enough for you? Come on...
im doing enduro stuff on hardtail xc so i dont find this move valid
Question: I'm stuck between an Enduro or Trail.
Trail is better for where I am, BUT!! - I'm 6'2'' - 250.
Do I need the beefier bike for my weight? Does that Help?!
I would go the bike that suits the riding you are doing. You can always add volume spacers to suit you weight. An enduro bike wont be as fun on the more mellow stuff.
@@trailtalkmtb6603 Exactly the answer I was looking for thank you so much!
@@cloane85 I'm 6ft4 and 260lb and I ride trail
@@eaglehunter1802 Hey thanks! Yeah I was leaning towards trail. I live in Florida so it makes more sense.
@@cloane85 my trail bike is on my channel...ive since upgraded handlebars , stem and saddle
Um. HJM advertisement model is a satire right? Anyone else catching that ad? That or Google needs to stop looking at my incognito activities 🤣
The new Trek Fuels are very heavy
Bikes are definitely climbing in weight a bit over the past few years
Will you consider the siskiu n9 an all mountain or enduro?
pretty sure its enduro, but idk.
Enduro
Enduro in terms of travel but more all mountain in terms of geo. So it will be a bit more playful but still be able to handle some bigger hits like an enduro bike
When's the buyers guide out tho?
In 2-3 weeks, a lot of the bikes haven't been released yet so I want to do one video first
@@trailtalkmtb6603 is Occam 2022 making the list? Lol
@@directgrover yep
@@trailtalkmtb6603 niceee!