i was reading through the japanese comments and one guy said "It was commendable that Tweek didn't slam the fist bump into Acola's face." LMAO my stomach i cant HAHAHA
lol, even the Japanese are fed up with him because it is not the first time that he roasted him when he was just gaining fame, he did the same to Asimo to win a grand final and that applies whenever they threaten him, he puts up walls and throws the car at him of mine so that he can collect and steal easily
I’m a tweek fan, but he was the one who attempted a timeout strat in that last game. I don’t blame him for trying it but you shouldn’t shit talk acola for adjusting to tweeks game plan
@@EpicBunnyXD i dont get you, i havent implied anything that im shit talking acola, im just stating the comment that the japanese made that i found funny, what's shit talk about that?
@@EpicBunnyXDLaughing because somebody encouraged violence against a player you don't like? This is where the doomers are wrong, Smash hasn't fallen, it's viewer base and community has fallen.
I don't blame Tweek for playing how he did because that's what Acola does all the time. Every Steve player never approaches. It's tilting having to be the only one that approaches. Then when you do approach it ends up being exactly where they want you to be every time.
it’s objectively not how the matchup is played. as a hero main, i speak from experience in saying that the only way you rly beat steve it beat him to double diamond. at that point he’s such a broken character ur basically fucked. this is the most cooked tweek set i have ever seen and idk wtf he was doing
That was the stupidest shit you could ever do against Steve, don't just let the man mine for resources for free, that's worse. Tweek was definitely tilted and not having it that day
@@cydra671 Lol i didn't say it was smart. But i also don't blame him for getting tilted either. People were trying to get Steve banned from tournaments lol. That's how unfair the fighter and it's play style is.
@@elijahmims1928 Agree with Steve being broken, that's why I refuse to pick him up out of principal, even if it means getting more wins against my friends
So be a good hunter and destroy them for hiding from you. That’s all there is to it. Tweek is an amazing player. I love watching him, especially when he plays Sephiroth because I main Sephiroth. However, being titled never helps. Gotta learn to control your emotions. Getting titled just ruins performance.
@rioru-eg3jgfgd wtf are you talking about he played vs Steve who has the best tools in the game for everything, going for a timeout against the character is actually much more optimal
Japan won’t get down behind banning Steve, just because of this singular players clout, and I would say it’s an embarrassment to that entire nation smash scene. If they would just join us, the character would be history and we could move on.
@@alexneuman600 coming to America and winning a major pays a lot better than winning anything in Japan, so why would they stop their boy from getting that fucking bag? Especially when we’re some pussy ass nation that won’t even ban the goofy clown ass character to stop them from farming the bag over here. Let them play for ¥200 in their own Nintendo circuits. We will ban Steve here come on let’s get it going.
Matches like these remind me that i can never be a top level player. Not because of the skill level required to be a top player But because i'd have to participate in whatever the hell this was
That goes for any match-up we don't like. I think it would be unbearable for me to fight against banjo or icies. But I'm okay with the patient mu like sonic, steve, and other projectile users.
@@jaydenvaporwave1772 in this unique circumstance i'd say mental fortitude over bare minimum sportsmanship, tweek stood 0 chance and Acola was toying with him
@@trinixjin8039 tweek does stand a chance with acola tho, he literally mentally taped out after losing his first 2 stocks. Come on bro you can’t tell me tweek wasn’t himself mentally this set. He is usually more calm headed and even the commentators pointed it out.
I took a break from watching smash a few years ago. I’m mainly a melee guy but I watch a few ult matches every now and then. This is my first time seeing a steve match and wow. That is all I can say. Like Jesus at 11:20 all tweek can do is just sit there as Acola keeps mining
To be fair tweek plays terribly against acola. Acola was definitely playing like this open purpose to tilt tweek. Players like Sparg0 and Miya have steve figured out.
@fizzy6987 He doesn't. He tried his two best characters, but nothing worked. He tried running in and attacking, and never approaching and camping. But. Nothing. Worked. Tweek went to both extremes in every way and absolutely got his ass whooped by this character. A steve ban is the only thing that can save ultimate.
@@alexneuman600 Kinda agreeing with me? I said Tweek plays terribly against Acola. Acola also switched his playstyle to tilt tweek. As for a ban nah it won’t make things better. People have already figured out Steve. Acola will lose #1 status next season unless he can get a solid secondary.
Sephiroth can do perfectly fine against Steve, actually Steve players think he's one of his hardest matchups. Tweek needs to grind the Steve matchup, not switch characters.
The sad part is that Steve is in the game. Regardless of broken or not broken I don't think most people enjoy watching him and he's single handedly reducing the viewership of the e sport I don't know all the details here but another thing I'll say is that I don't believe the money + sponsor situation is the same in Japan whereas other players have incentives to play "interesting" characters to get sponsors
Steve defenders nothing new, even Japan despise the character, the only people defending Steve are Steve players or casuals who know nothing about the game
@baaam26 Former PR player here (not a Steve main) I just think hating on characters to the extent people do for Steve; and even Steve players, is a complete waste of time
At what point is a player considered carried by a character? It’s obvious Acola is a very talented player, but this sort of domination isn’t something that he would be capable of without Steve. Maybe I’m just biased against his character, but I’m skeptical of anyone who saw such a meteoric rise after picking up Steve.
@@andrewyang222 that’s the thing though, if Light played a different character I think he could still be a top player. Fox is broken, but he’s only regular broken. There are other characters with comparable strength. Steve isn’t like that, there’s no other character as good as him, and it’s not particularly close.
Nah when you look at acola he is the most boring Steve, but that because he doesn’t really do techy stuff with Steve he really just the best Steve at bar bones neutral. If you watch him closely you’ll see he never does anything too fancy and when he does have a wall up he is always aware of spacing and in general has the best width punish game of all the Steve’s out there.
I mean acola is a good player but the playstyle is kinda... Make a house and wait until your opponent enter into the only space to punish So bored to see
Yup. Watching his Aegis vs his Steve is proof that Steve is the problem and not Acola being ridiculously good. If he was such a great player he wouldn’t lose so much with Aegis lol
@@Kukublu92ehh no, absolutely wrong, him losing with aegis it's not because he's not an amazing player it's because he's learning the character, he already managed to win a game against sparg0 this tournament, with aegis, if that's not talented then you're just biased dude
@@x3nover207 he’s been playing Aegis and using her as a legitimate secondary for a while now, and it’s a character that doesn’t even have a high skill ceiling. Winning one game with Aegis in one tournament doesn’t really mean anything. Aegis is still regarded as one of the best characters in the game. If Acola is really that talented there isn’t an excuse, oh wait there is, it’s that Steve is ridiculously broken and doesn’t require insane talent to be great with. You proved my point
The fact steve can do all that bullshit and sephiroth loses wing after a stock is just so sad to me, they said this character would be like a boss character but they butchered him. WHY MAKE HIM LIGHT AND HAVE AWFUL FRAME DATA WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING AT LEAST CHOOSE ONE
@@Dr_Tune nah bro sephiroth has way to many weaknesses, being light and have horrible frame data means if you miss a move at high or mid percent you almost always die plus him being very tall also adds to that AND no out of shield option
We can’t take results in this game seriously anymore because the game is NOT competitively balanced. Rankings are not a representation of one’s skill in late meta Ultimate.
I am surprised that Seph wasn’t able to do better in that particular match up, but Tweek probably hadn’t used him all weekend for the most part, and that looked annoying to play against anyway
Just goes to show how unbalanced Steve is, that even a "bad mu" looks legitimately free at the top level And even when Tweek went time out Diddy, Acola could make 2 mistakes for every mistake Tweek made and would still win
Incidentally, Japanese DD player Riouo has been playing Maesuma to a set count of 2-2 against A-cola😂 Please admit that Tweek is more stupid than Riuoh😂
Some of these comments and especially the ones by clear throwaway accounts attacking Tweek because he decided to play timeout against the bets character in the game whose only weakness is his speed are disgusting We had a while back people attacking a kid for the character he played, and now we have people attacking a person for playing optimally vs the best character in the game Going forward I legit wish more and more people with fast characters would just go for a timeout from minute 1 vs Steve so we can finally then really have the discussion about his effects for the health of the game and the scene I don't like the idea of banning characters, but just like Sonic optimally plays for timeout (but is also blessed with great tools to box) the optimal counterplay to Steve is a timeout, since on EVERY other field he has the rest of the roster beat
@@shaggywali9575 It definitely was an act of desperation and frustration at that point, yes. But at that moment, when he felt helpless, he went for an option that would be good for him, but the implementation in the moment was poor. Still the idea was there. I just dont think people should be making throwaway accounts to tell him it was disgraceful and he should retire over a bad implementation of an optimal strategy.
Fundies and actual skill isn't requiered in this game anymore. You just need your simple af gameplan and the character to execute it with. Matches have turned into campfests or rage inducing beatdowns and it doesn't even feel satisfying when the Steve loses but just as lame when you're forced to camp him out or hit him with disjoints. Watching Tweek is one of the only things that still brings joy to me in this game post FP2 and watching one of the most technically gifted and fundamentally skilled players back when this game wasn't filled with overtuned unpatched characters that change the rules of the game at their will is just more and more souring my desire to watch non Melee tournaments. The character variety in this game was it's biggest strength yet FP2 made it so that top level play is now a metacheck that leaves players who don't main characters who don't have a shot against DLC or one of the 3 characters that seem to actually have a good MU as a secondary out of a shot for No. 1. I watch Melee if i want a good collection of the same 8-12 characters at every event because the top and high tiers all have extremely fun chemistry against each other and not Ult's boring DLC. Ever since acola just came out of nowhere and took Leo's number 1 spot that used to actually mean something to me as a spectator it just feels like we've been stuck in a wrong timeline where actual storylines that i've watched for don't happen or just get plain delayed. I was so hyped for Leo, Tweek and Sparg0 to have an actual number 1 race at the start of the year with Sparg0's number 1 being only a matter of time but along this way i just stopped caring. Besides Leo just getting left in the dust nothing else feels natural anymore to watch. The only guy who i still think is a natural number 1 contender besides sparg0 to me is a god damn campy Sonic main to really hammer in how screwed being a spectator is rn. I enjoyed the game's unpatched day 1 Wolf, Peach, Pichu meta and the game during FP1. I miss the time when Palu and R.O.B. were the most controversial characters and when great sets wouldn't only happen in Top 64 but Top 8. The sets between especially these 2 players just show me why i stopped caring a long time if i even watched the tourneys anymore. Tournament had a really cool Summit-like vibe but when half of the contenders are either using Sonic or FP2 why even bother man. I sincerly hope that any lingering person who still defends a character that disables the word risk finally wakes up that it's killing viewership more and more no matter if he's ban worthy or not.
As broken as I think steve is hes not winning everything currently. In most fighters when a character is beyond broken they make up for 75 percent of characters used in top 8s. Personally more people have to play steve and perform as well as acola for the ban to be more talked about. With that being said I do agree that this game is going into the dark ages.
@@Gambit-YT Not true. Tekken has 54 characters including dlc and a huge player base and on that game when a character is broken you will see about 3-4 in top 8 consistently even if the character was boring and un fun to play against. If you play a competitive game for a living and you don’t pick the best characters you are decreasing your chances of winning significantly.
Seriously though, why do people complain so much about Sonic And they choose to complain about Sonix's sonic specifically which makes even less sense in my opinion
@@zuko5737Difference is when Leroy was dominating tournaments, they actually bothered to nerf him, and now it’s mostly back to normal. Nintendo on the other hand couldn’t care less.
@playharderscrub I understand that, he's playing Steve optimally. Tho It's killing the competitve scene. Which means lower views and lower winnings on tournaments.
It's so shitty that the commentators are making it seem like the situation is Tweek's fault for being hesitant to approach. Like come on guys, I know you see what we all see.
You can't expect to play like this and get no hate from smash fans. I know it's "hate the game, not the player", but it is 100% the player deciding to win in the lamest and most cowardly fashion. Thank God Sparg0 is there to save Smash Ultimate.
Total agree. If you decide to tier pick and go for the easiest way to the top, the price you pay is that you lose the respect of your peers. You trade respect for glory, and accept the consequences. Players should start refusing to 'show respect' after embarrassing games like this.
@@SeriousMcnegative Talking about "earning" respect in smash of all things is hilarious ngl. This isn't MMA or boxing bro. No one at these tournaments should be worried about playing for honor.
@@cultivated3843 bad take buddy, maybe they shouldn't get paid either? I mean, it's not a real sport right? Bit sad, all these kids playing fake sportsmen.
Eh. He’s still a great player and deserved respect. Anyone disrespecting him because of his play style or character choice are trash tier humans. Just stop watching his sets if it’s really that bad. Taking it out on a literal child is pathetic.
Bu…bu…but the twelve year olds who have no experience with the game watching this because “funny block man” would get mad. We can have that. The actual players who work hard to get to where they are need to suffer. Point being TO’s are cowards and will never do it unfortunately.
If Steve is played like this he should be banned. A character that can choose to never interact unless they are highly favored in any given situation is not good. For the health of the game
i think he’s just doing a lot b-reverses with the peanut gun. you can cancel the gun early with a jump and then b-reverse to shift your aerial momentum. it would probably be better to look up a video on b-reversing if u wanna practice.
It’s a shield cancel, you can press shield immediately as you popgun/b reverse and it’ll cancel without an airdodge in the air or without shield coming out on the ground
Another tournament ruined because people refuse to ban a clearly broken character in a party game not receiving updates anymore. You gotta be delusional to think Acola could pull this off with any other character. Not even Aegis is this broken, since they actually have to approach and play the game.
@@user-gaksjg4m This has to be bait. I know you didn't just call a top 10 player in the world who was contested for best in the world at one point "weak". Tweek has been a top player, longer than Acola has even been going to tournaments. I'm not even that big of a Tweek fan, but this comment is just disrespectful.
@@jj6148 Incidentally, Japanese DD player Riouo has been playing Maesuma to a set count of 2-2 against A-cola😂 Please admit that Tweek is more stupid than Riuoh😂
@@ららら-p7p I'd love to see him win half the majors Tweek has lmao. Also, he still lost the set in the end either way. And tweek has taken acola to game 5 twice before this.
That was tough to watch, great match none the less. The Seph struggling so hard against Steve despite having a bit better tools to break blocks vs the much hotter Diddy, and trying to play for the time strategy was a good try. Can't wait to see Tweek bounce back and wonder if anyone can slow down Acola
@blurry.magnetsSonic is cool in the correct hands, which luckily for us, are the kind of hands owned by the two best sonic mains Idk I just find Sonix doing a combo into going offstage and killing with fair to be really satisfying
if we went off stereotypes, I would have never expected Acola from Japan to be this disrespectful. Bro has an angel on one shoulder and ddee on the other😅
Because what if you try to engage and get punished for it? Smash is a game where you have too much space to work with and camping is a huge part of the game, always. You just can't make those kind of rules for such a campy game, unfortunately. Retreating and attacking beats a lot of approaches.
@@luigimitsu I agree and totally get where you're coming from it just seems like he's rewarded for not engaging which I guess is a legitimate strategy it just loses a lot of fun as a spectator. Tweek took the loss in stride which is way more than I could say for myself. I don't consider myself a rager but that would tilt me 🤣🤣
@@mr_knowledge_ Yep, I've fought top Steve's online and I hated every moment, I'm happy I can beat most Steve's, but playing a true master of the character is a nightmare. I used to main him as well, knew from the beginning that the character was bullshit lol. Still the player doesn't deserve hate for playing to their characters strengths, but it's a load of nonsense fighting that character.
I doubt that's the case, he takes less risks by playing this way, which leads to a secured win. Instead of trying to rush to take a stock, potentially running out of resources, taking damage etc. Optimal Steve, it's either that or get zero to deaths (resources don't matter quite as much then) but those are really hard to do consistently.@SinfulCadence
Ban Steve. He's so OP compared to the rest of the cast. Watching one of the best Sephiroth players IN THE WORLD barely able to take a stock from a character, who has the cheesiest, campiest meta, is just heartbreaking lol
I was 1 of the people not crazy about banning wobbling. I was wrong. The melee community ended up doing the right thing for the game to survive. I was hesitant around banning Bayo. I was wrong. The Smash 4 community ended up killing the game b/c of that decision. I've been hesitant around banning Steve. And I am wrong. The Ultimate community needs to ban him asap.
I deadass hope that if we get a new smash game down the line, Sakurai or whoever is spearheading the development just looks back at the mistake that is Steve in Ultimate so we never have things like this ever again In a game full of really good and really strong characters there's no reason why we should have someone who breaks the fundemental rules of a platform fighter and rewards you for just mashing specials out of rolls, or doesn't even follow the rules of his own game We're stuck in this cycle of _______ character is clearly the best and broken because of an unbalanced mechanic, the majority of people want to ban __________ for the health of the competitive scene. "But Japan won't ban ________ so it doesn't matter" only for people to just say fuck it and not ban the problem which leads to more people talking about how they wanted the character banned or just never released at all. Ultimate is dying, it's 5 years old at this point but Steve players are speedrunning it'd death with Acola leading the charge
@@nathancasey7712 because it’s one of the main reasons people say we shouldn’t ban Steve, because Japan will never ban him It’s not a good argument for keeping him legal, but it’s one that idiots bring up
@@mydude7876 Weird I'm new to playing smash consistently but that just makes no sense to me. Like who cares we're not in Japan. All the tournament I watch are American pretty much.
@@nathancasey7712 Part of it is that Japan is arguably the strongest region along with NA, and people think that Acola would just have to retire if Steve was banned instead of playing like how he was before he came out It’s just tons of people essentially closing their eyes and hoping the problem just fixes itself or goes away
Greninja invalidates the ever living shit out of Steve but no one wants to use him. Rising fair snuffs minecart, charged shuriken travels through blocks, counter on anvil/minecart, double jump/up-b at ledge removes ledge trapping, and the speed/jump height to follow Steve off stage for edge guards. You can also just fall into his up smash with counter if you want to and Gren can do other things like challenge walking up tilt with his down tilt and poke Steve through anvil drops from the side with rising bair (fair clanks sometimes). He’s the one character I picked up that actually puts Steve on the backfoot.
God this character is insanely boring. Run away mine, run away mine, minecart, minecart, 60 percent combo a 3 year old can do, minecart, run away, run away, run away
11:05 to 12:00 is another reason why Steve needs banned. You cant approach so you have to wait til they stop camping, and then they can camp with any amount of a lead because approaching Steve with NOT Min-Min is bad.
Almost 20 min for a 3-0 is bad i wish the match where a bit faster most of the time. Even if it Acola gameplan to not approach Tweek for x reason, the game favor to much certain characters that can avoid interacting with the opponent with there tools that the game offers them. I wish there was a system like guilty gear or something close to punishing like tha.
The person who was behind the editing scenes decided to switch to the ending screen before the match was even over, basically making fun of Tweek saying he had no chance of winning this game. Even if it’s true, it was disrespectful of the person who controls the scenes.
This has got to be more lame than G&W vs Sonic. Or R.O.B vs anyone. Tweek is a better man than me, because win or lose, after matches like that-you're not getting a fist bump ever.
this is ultimate now days... just camping and cheesing and spamming your win conditions. I honestly think that if the community doesn't grow up and start changing rules they are just gonna keep losing a lot of viewers. Imo
Steve is a huge issue. Kazuya can at least be scary or hype to root for/against. Its not even fun to root for or against Steve, its better to check the stats not watch the match.
Every character has a win condition in Smash, its about the way they implement it I find Kazuya dashing towards an opponent way more entertaining than steve hiding behind two walls and a platform for 7 minutes, tbh
Nah that’s ode. Point of the game is to box it out and interact with the other players. How the hell are you gonna build a wall to keep the players away from you. L gameplay no lie. Props to tweek for trying though and keeping his cool
I didn't particularly dislike Acola/Steve until I saw the Diddy interaction at the start of the match. "I will sit here, and not fight you until I have maxed my resources...even then, you must approach me." I guess it is competitive so anything goes if/when there's money on the line of course but damn. As a casual-try-hard-but-have-fun, I have zero respect for people who fight like that. I'm there to _play_ Smash, not win at the cost of both of us being bored out of our minds.
@@mercurysnake274 He could, I don't know, play smash instead of minecraft? Steve is stupid safe when he's mining behind walls and walls, approaching him often means you're just gonna get punished
You're there to play smash but these guys are there to win. Going to game 2 is great but he had the chance to calmly observe how his opponent tries to bridge the gap with the bonus of getting into his head. Sometimes mind games can go a long way, similar to how Spargo was frustrating Sonix with all the up B's he kept doing.
@@mercurysnake274 I don't think you recognize the difference between evasion and "I'll never approach." Before I thought Acola was a bit evasive, but I've never seen a test like what Tweek did. Confirming that Acola really won't approach 10/10 times. He's not even going to put out safe options and mildly approach. If you don't know the difference, then you think they're doing the same thing, but it's not at all.
@@EbonySeraphim Again, he doesn’t HAVE an incentive to approach. If Tweek is gonna sit there and do nothing, there’s no reason for Acola NOT to farm resources
It looked like tweek said "why would you do that?", Likely because he recognized the big screen was showing player faces instead of the match, which could be embarrassing
What is there to defend? If you're just going to sit there and watch me mine why would I take the free dub? This was 100% on tweek wanting to slow down the pace
@@CancelFGCwhat else can you do? Do you even play the game? Without his mats, which tweek let him have as much as he wanted, he has a hard time defending himself. Go watch any spargo game vs Acola and tell me if spargo ever just sat there watching him mine.
Honestly, great job for Tweek trying to find a way out of that fight vs Steve. Personally, stage is the key to having a better match up with Steve, and PS2 was not it. That wall up from Acola at the right points of the two platform is going to be hard for any body fighting Steve and that's not including Steve's good frame data compared to others. Unfortunately, Tweek couldn't find a way to break that, because Steve is that good of a character. Not to say Acola isn't a good player, the amount of parries he was doing were spot on, but the brutal truth is the DLCs imbalance destroyed most of the cast. Why try harder with another base rooster character when the DLC can do less execution (ish) and deal the same damage or more. It's a common PvP knowledge. Good Job to both players and more to Tweek because he was dealing with a Steve. Acola's strategy is not underhanded, he played correctly, call it what you will, but he played solid with or without Steve.
Incidentally, Japanese DD player Riouo has been playing Maesuma to a set count of 2-2 against A-cola😂 Please admit that Tweek is more stupid than Riuoh😂
It’s not even DLCS all the DLCS are MORE beatable than Steve, and it’s honestly annoying because once Steve came out he easily made it to top 8s like months later
Tweek should bring back Cloud or PT as a secondary to deal with GnW/Steve, and abandon Sephiroth. Seph only helps him vs BigD's Icies, but doesn't really cover any of Diddy's bad MU's.
Meh. Sephiroth is great for this matchup. Tweek got severely outplayed. He was giving too much respect to Steve’s burst options. Also, he let the production teams’ antics get under his skin during the set which made it worse. I believe in Tweek though. He can do much better next time.
Now that the tournament has finished I can confidently say that this was one of the worst if not the worst top 8 ever in FGC history, Ultimate is so boring rn, literally 8 guys trying to camp each other out, Steve really disables the former fast-paced top level gameplay Ultimate was famous for, everybody is forced to play at the most sluggish pace ever. I cannot blame Nintendo for leaving the competitive scene, the most boring FG atm (if you can even call it a FG)
@@legrandliseurtri7495 The top 8 of the last 3 major tournaments have AT LEAST 2 Steves, 2 Sonics a GnW and Sparg0. Regradless, the characters could be all rushdown unga-bunga characters and it wouldn't matter, everybody plays campy now (including players like Leo, Tweek and Sparg0), whoever approaches first loses, its the most boring metagame in Smash history.
There's a reason why Peach/Daisy dittos and Fox dittos garner a lot more interest at top level in both the gameplay and the players behind it, rather than the swill of the majority of results from majors and minors have devolved into.
whoever kept zooming up on tweek's face like that - you are just a jerk. Not only is that rude to any player, but literally watch the throne was made possible partially because of tweek talks.
Not sure why Tweek was playing so passive and defensive with Seph, even with the wing. I understand you don’t want to fall in Steve’s trap, but you can’t just let him mine non-stop without getting contested either. Gotta apply pressure. Barely used counter either, which you’d want to use when you know you’re overextending that aforementioned pressure to catch that minecart or anvil the Steve will likely do to get out of disadvantage or cut off your chase.
Steve is killing some parts of the tournament, really, boring AF. Killing part of what Smash is. Seeing Steve just building blocks on his back to not get killed while covering the only place where he can be attacked is painful to watch. Steve is cancer made gameplay
03:44. Granted it wasn’t the sweet spot, but can we take a moment and acknowledge how ridiculous it is that one wing seph down smash didn’t break the block 😂😂😂
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i was reading through the japanese comments and one guy said "It was commendable that Tweek didn't slam the fist bump into Acola's face." LMAO my stomach i cant HAHAHA
lol, even the Japanese are fed up with him because it is not the first time that he roasted him when he was just gaining fame, he did the same to Asimo to win a grand final and that applies whenever they threaten him, he puts up walls and throws the car at him of mine so that he can collect and steal easily
Did we watch the same set ? Tweek's attitude was not worth of a top player. Acola did nothing wrong.
I’m a tweek fan, but he was the one who attempted a timeout strat in that last game. I don’t blame him for trying it but you shouldn’t shit talk acola for adjusting to tweeks game plan
@@EpicBunnyXD i dont get you, i havent implied anything that im shit talking acola, im just stating the comment that the japanese made that i found funny, what's shit talk about that?
@@EpicBunnyXDLaughing because somebody encouraged violence against a player you don't like? This is where the doomers are wrong, Smash hasn't fallen, it's viewer base and community has fallen.
I don't blame Tweek for playing how he did because that's what Acola does all the time. Every Steve player never approaches. It's tilting having to be the only one that approaches. Then when you do approach it ends up being exactly where they want you to be every time.
it’s objectively not how the matchup is played. as a hero main, i speak from experience in saying that the only way you rly beat steve it beat him to double diamond. at that point he’s such a broken character ur basically fucked. this is the most cooked tweek set i have ever seen and idk wtf he was doing
That was the stupidest shit you could ever do against Steve, don't just let the man mine for resources for free, that's worse. Tweek was definitely tilted and not having it that day
@@cydra671 Lol i didn't say it was smart. But i also don't blame him for getting tilted either. People were trying to get Steve banned from tournaments lol. That's how unfair the fighter and it's play style is.
@@elijahmims1928 Agree with Steve being broken, that's why I refuse to pick him up out of principal, even if it means getting more wins against my friends
So be a good hunter and destroy them for hiding from you. That’s all there is to it. Tweek is an amazing player. I love watching him, especially when he plays Sephiroth because I main Sephiroth. However, being titled never helps. Gotta learn to control your emotions. Getting titled just ruins performance.
This was probably the most disgusting match ive watched in a while
It was pretty good to me. Not like Americans are worth respect.
@rioru-eg3jgfgd you should feel sorry about yourself
tweek shouldnt have made acola pick steve like that smh@rioru-eg3jgfgd
@rioru-eg3jgfgd wtf are you talking about he played vs Steve who has the best tools in the game for everything, going for a timeout against the character is actually much more optimal
@rioru-eg3jgfgd Blame Nintendo for not patching their game.
The problem is that this character is BY DESIGN allowed exclusively to outright succeed with this strategy.
Like sonix huh 😂😂😂
@@s3eriousbl9ck26 Oh yeah, Sonix, my favourite character
This is the first pro Ultimate match I've seen in like two years. Oh my god
What happened?
Late stage smash always ends up like this (except melee)
@@smac646
@@smac646 steve happened
嘘ついてるのバレバレだよ（笑）
@@smac646, Tweek got outplayed. Simply put.
If this isn't proof that Steve is sending this game down the shitter then idk what is
Couldn't have possibly said it any better.
Japan won’t get down behind banning Steve, just because of this singular players clout, and I would say it’s an embarrassment to that entire nation smash scene. If they would just join us, the character would be history and we could move on.
@@KingPhilipsRideshare lmaooo i also started suspecting that this is the exact reason why Japan is against a steve ban so much
@@alexneuman600 coming to America and winning a major pays a lot better than winning anything in Japan, so why would they stop their boy from getting that fucking bag? Especially when we’re some pussy ass nation that won’t even ban the goofy clown ass character to stop them from farming the bag over here. Let them play for ¥200 in their own Nintendo circuits. We will ban Steve here come on let’s get it going.
Condescending ass commentators
Matches like these remind me that i can never be a top level player.
Not because of the skill level required to be a top player
But because i'd have to participate in whatever the hell this was
That goes for any match-up we don't like. I think it would be unbearable for me to fight against banjo or icies.
But I'm okay with the patient mu like sonic, steve, and other projectile users.
Exactly why I no longer want to go too one either
The fact he even gave acola a fist bump shows the mental fortitude of tweek
No that’s called bare minimum good sportsmanship.
@@jaydenvaporwave1772 in this unique circumstance i'd say mental fortitude over bare minimum sportsmanship, tweek stood 0 chance and Acola was toying with him
Tbh this set showed anything but mental fortitude from Tweek
@@trinixjin8039 tweek does stand a chance with acola tho, he literally mentally taped out after losing his first 2 stocks. Come on bro you can’t tell me tweek wasn’t himself mentally this set. He is usually more calm headed and even the commentators pointed it out.
@@jaydenvaporwave1772 you didn’t disprove what I said at all though… 🤔
I took a break from watching smash a few years ago. I’m mainly a melee guy but I watch a few ult matches every now and then. This is my first time seeing a steve match and wow. That is all I can say.
Like Jesus at 11:20 all tweek can do is just sit there as Acola keeps mining
you aren't missing much, melee is a much better spectator experience. anytime a steve comes on i mute or turn off the stream at this point lmao
To be fair tweek plays terribly against acola. Acola was definitely playing like this open purpose to tilt tweek. Players like Sparg0 and Miya have steve figured out.
@fizzy6987 He doesn't. He tried his two best characters, but nothing worked. He tried running in and attacking, and never approaching and camping. But. Nothing. Worked. Tweek went to both extremes in every way and absolutely got his ass whooped by this character. A steve ban is the only thing that can save ultimate.
More proof that steve needs to be banned:
@@alexneuman600 Kinda agreeing with me? I said Tweek plays terribly against Acola. Acola also switched his playstyle to tilt tweek. As for a ban nah it won’t make things better. People have already figured out Steve. Acola will lose #1 status next season unless he can get a solid secondary.
Tweek looks like his family is in hostage and the only way to release them is to win this match
Honestly with this type of MU's Tweek is losing to, he needs Cloud and not Seph.
Unfortunately he hates using Cloud in ultimate.
Sephiroth can do perfectly fine against Steve, actually Steve players think he's one of his hardest matchups. Tweek needs to grind the Steve matchup, not switch characters.
is this charles on a burner?
Seph does perfectly fine vs Steve. Tweek just didn't practice him at all lately and it was definitly cold and not ready.
@@steezymnk👀
The sad part is that Tweek actually mained a character that is considered to have a good mu vs Steve: Pokemon Trainer
Yeah i want PT back
Most people originally put Sephiroth as one of Steves worst MUs. The problem is Steve's bad MUs are not that bad.
I believe he has started training with it a bit more but maybe doesn't feel as comfortable with it yet
I don’t think he likes pt
The sad part is that Steve is in the game. Regardless of broken or not broken I don't think most people enjoy watching him and he's single handedly reducing the viewership of the e sport
I don't know all the details here but another thing I'll say is that I don't believe the money + sponsor situation is the same in Japan whereas other players have incentives to play "interesting" characters to get sponsors
Steve is painful to watch
Nah man Tweek had to have murdered his whole family and his puppy or something. What was that all about lmfao, Tell us your story 🤣
Acola played like he truly hated him💀
Yeah fr he is usually the calm and collected type. He seemed to give up as soon as he lost his first two stocks
Yeah wtf. Acola could have ended this set in half the time if he'd wanted to.
whats with all the tweek hate? did someone piss off the japanese peanut gallery?
Yeah I'm not sure, I think ppl just hate acola and hate tweek more for not beating him.
Steve defenders nothing new, even Japan despise the character, the only people defending Steve are Steve players or casuals who know nothing about the game
@baaam26 Former PR player here (not a Steve main) I just think hating on characters to the extent people do for Steve; and even Steve players, is a complete waste of time
At what point is a player considered carried by a character? It’s obvious Acola is a very talented player, but this sort of domination isn’t something that he would be capable of without Steve. Maybe I’m just biased against his character, but I’m skeptical of anyone who saw such a meteoric rise after picking up Steve.
he apparently beat kameme with incineroar
That was miya @@rubberwoody
Would light be as good if he didn’t play fox?
@@andrewyang222 that’s the thing though, if Light played a different character I think he could still be a top player. Fox is broken, but he’s only regular broken. There are other characters with comparable strength. Steve isn’t like that, there’s no other character as good as him, and it’s not particularly close.
Nah when you look at acola he is the most boring Steve, but that because he doesn’t really do techy stuff with Steve he really just the best Steve at bar bones neutral. If you watch him closely you’ll see he never does anything too fancy and when he does have a wall up he is always aware of spacing and in general has the best width punish game of all the Steve’s out there.
I mean acola is a good player but the playstyle is kinda...
Make a house and wait until your opponent enter into the only space to punish
So bored to see
Yup. Watching his Aegis vs his Steve is proof that Steve is the problem and not Acola being ridiculously good. If he was such a great player he wouldn’t lose so much with Aegis lol
@@Kukublu92ehh no, absolutely wrong, him losing with aegis it's not because he's not an amazing player it's because he's learning the character, he already managed to win a game against sparg0 this tournament, with aegis, if that's not talented then you're just biased dude
@@x3nover207 He's hard carried
@@x3nover207 he’s been playing Aegis and using her as a legitimate secondary for a while now, and it’s a character that doesn’t even have a high skill ceiling. Winning one game with Aegis in one tournament doesn’t really mean anything. Aegis is still regarded as one of the best characters in the game. If Acola is really that talented there isn’t an excuse, oh wait there is, it’s that Steve is ridiculously broken and doesn’t require insane talent to be great with. You proved my point
@@Kukublu92Acola isn't beating Spargo with Steve either soooo ? Your point is not valid
良くも悪くもこの試合がコロナ後大会シーンを表している
スマブラsp史はコロナ前とコロナ後に分かれる
I think if I'm losing to a Steve on stream I'm going to emulate this. If I can't beat em, make him unbearable to watch
The amount of work you have to put in to not even win, but effectively play against steve is ridiculous.
The fact steve can do all that bullshit and sephiroth loses wing after a stock is just so sad to me, they said this character would be like a boss character but they butchered him. WHY MAKE HIM LIGHT AND HAVE AWFUL FRAME DATA WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING AT LEAST CHOOSE ONE
They weren't kidding, they put a world destroyer of multiple planets and sephiroth.
Sephiroth is balanced, Steve is not.
@@Dr_Tune nah bro sephiroth has way to many weaknesses, being light and have horrible frame data means if you miss a move at high or mid percent you almost always die plus him being very tall also adds to that AND no out of shield option
@@mohammadalhusaini810 He has incredible range and speed, I’d say it’s pretty balanced. He’s usually ranked as a high tier in most tier lists
@@mohammadalhusaini810 Sephiroth is fine. He's not amazing, but he's not useless in tournaments either.
This is the best commercial for Rivals 2 I've seen so far
LMAO
The 770 likes to 1k dislike ratio, people DESPISE steve lmao
Tweek really said “change that shit back” 😂 17:27
Bro I would have a serious talk with production afterwards fr
He said wtf are you doing lol
That had me rolling I can't lie😂
@@jaydenvaporwave1772 I mean even in 11:34, the camera man is literally zooming in his face, like they are trolling him, like what the heck?
Acola grinned 🤣
We can’t take results in this game seriously anymore because the game is NOT competitively balanced. Rankings are not a representation of one’s skill in late meta Ultimate.
I am surprised that Seph wasn’t able to do better in that particular match up, but Tweek probably hadn’t used him all weekend for the most part, and that looked annoying to play against anyway
Thanks for saying what VoiD said, again!
Yeah Tweek said himself that he hasn’t been practicing Sephiroth lately.
Acolas better that's why.
you mean steve is better@@ErtN-fj8tg
@@andrebaxter4023Not worth to prsctice Seph. He is pretty bad in this game
Just goes to show how unbalanced Steve is, that even a "bad mu" looks legitimately free at the top level
And even when Tweek went time out Diddy, Acola could make 2 mistakes for every mistake Tweek made and would still win
never fail to ruin smash with some whack dlc character
Incidentally, Japanese DD player Riouo has been playing Maesuma to a set count of 2-2 against A-cola😂
Please admit that Tweek is more stupid than Riuoh😂
Sonix makes it look ez
Don't think this is a bad mu for Steve
@@ららら-p7pyeah ryouu (I cannot remember the name correctly) was giving a Acola tips on twitter
Some of these comments and especially the ones by clear throwaway accounts attacking Tweek because he decided to play timeout against the bets character in the game whose only weakness is his speed are disgusting
We had a while back people attacking a kid for the character he played, and now we have people attacking a person for playing optimally vs the best character in the game
Going forward I legit wish more and more people with fast characters would just go for a timeout from minute 1 vs Steve so we can finally then really have the discussion about his effects for the health of the game and the scene
I don't like the idea of banning characters, but just like Sonic optimally plays for timeout (but is also blessed with great tools to box) the optimal counterplay to Steve is a timeout, since on EVERY other field he has the rest of the roster beat
@@shaggywali9575 It definitely was an act of desperation and frustration at that point, yes. But at that moment, when he felt helpless, he went for an option that would be good for him, but the implementation in the moment was poor. Still the idea was there.
I just dont think people should be making throwaway accounts to tell him it was disgraceful and he should retire over a bad implementation of an optimal strategy.
Steve isn’t even entertaining to watch
Blame the 10 year olds who spammed this cringe character at the ballot.
This was entertaining tho
Maybe you have bad taste
More like the ways to win against him aren't fun to watch
More like playing with/against win/lose its boring
Fundies and actual skill isn't requiered in this game anymore.
You just need your simple af gameplan and the character to execute it with.
Matches have turned into campfests or rage inducing beatdowns and it doesn't even feel satisfying when the Steve loses but just as lame when you're forced to camp him out or hit him with disjoints.
Watching Tweek is one of the only things that still brings joy to me in this game post FP2 and watching one of the most technically gifted and fundamentally skilled players back when this game wasn't filled with overtuned unpatched characters that change the rules of the game at their will is just more and more souring my desire to watch non Melee tournaments.
The character variety in this game was it's biggest strength yet FP2 made it so that top level play is now a metacheck that leaves players who don't main characters who don't have a shot against DLC or one of the 3 characters that seem to actually have a good MU as a secondary out of a shot for No. 1.
I watch Melee if i want a good collection of the same 8-12 characters at every event because the top and high tiers all have extremely fun chemistry against each other and not Ult's boring DLC.
Ever since acola just came out of nowhere and took Leo's number 1 spot that used to actually mean something to me as a spectator it just feels like we've been stuck in a wrong timeline where actual storylines that i've watched for don't happen or just get plain delayed.
I was so hyped for Leo, Tweek and Sparg0 to have an actual number 1 race at the start of the year with Sparg0's number 1 being only a matter of time but along this way i just stopped caring.
Besides Leo just getting left in the dust nothing else feels natural anymore to watch.
The only guy who i still think is a natural number 1 contender besides sparg0 to me is a god damn campy Sonic main to really hammer in how screwed being a spectator is rn.
I enjoyed the game's unpatched day 1 Wolf, Peach, Pichu meta and the game during FP1.
I miss the time when Palu and R.O.B. were the most controversial characters and when great sets wouldn't only happen in Top 64 but Top 8.
The sets between especially these 2 players just show me why i stopped caring a long time if i even watched the tourneys anymore.
Tournament had a really cool Summit-like vibe but when half of the contenders are either using Sonic or FP2 why even bother man.
I sincerly hope that any lingering person who still defends a character that disables the word risk finally wakes up that it's killing viewership more and more no matter if he's ban worthy or not.
As broken as I think steve is hes not winning everything currently. In most fighters when a character is beyond broken they make up for 75 percent of characters used in top 8s. Personally more people have to play steve and perform as well as acola for the ban to be more talked about. With that being said I do agree that this game is going into the dark ages.
holy yap fest
@@Gambit-YT Not true. Tekken has 54 characters including dlc and a huge player base and on that game when a character is broken you will see about 3-4 in top 8 consistently even if the character was boring and un fun to play against. If you play a competitive game for a living and you don’t pick the best characters you are decreasing your chances of winning significantly.
Seriously though, why do people complain so much about Sonic
And they choose to complain about Sonix's sonic specifically which makes even less sense in my opinion
@@zuko5737Difference is when Leroy was dominating tournaments, they actually bothered to nerf him, and now it’s mostly back to normal. Nintendo on the other hand couldn’t care less.
That was a spineless fight.
Time out Steve is literally insane
No shade on Acola, hes very good, but its just not fun watching steve camp in a house.
You don't have to say no shade to Acola, there was none. He's a great player but Steve is just lame to watch.
He's playing to win not to entertain you
@playharderscrub I understand that, he's playing Steve optimally. Tho It's killing the competitve scene. Which means lower views and lower winnings on tournaments.
If only you played a character that doesn't allow that.
He’s very much carried by a broken character. Tweek could play Steve for a week and beat him in the ditto
It's so shitty that the commentators are making it seem like the situation is Tweek's fault for being hesitant to approach. Like come on guys, I know you see what we all see.
You can't expect to play like this and get no hate from smash fans. I know it's "hate the game, not the player", but it is 100% the player deciding to win in the lamest and most cowardly fashion. Thank God Sparg0 is there to save Smash Ultimate.
Total agree. If you decide to tier pick and go for the easiest way to the top, the price you pay is that you lose the respect of your peers. You trade respect for glory, and accept the consequences.
Players should start refusing to 'show respect' after embarrassing games like this.
@@SeriousMcnegative Talking about "earning" respect in smash of all things is hilarious ngl. This isn't MMA or boxing bro. No one at these tournaments should be worried about playing for honor.
@@cultivated3843 bad take buddy, maybe they shouldn't get paid either? I mean, it's not a real sport right? Bit sad, all these kids playing fake sportsmen.
Yeah fuck Acola. Will go down in smash history as one of the most hated players, deservingly so.
Eh. He’s still a great player and deserved respect. Anyone disrespecting him because of his play style or character choice are trash tier humans. Just stop watching his sets if it’s really that bad. Taking it out on a literal child is pathetic.
now THIS is riveting gameplay.
why are we ok with this?
Because TO’s are cowards.
Actually, we aren't tho
2:00 面白いと思ってんのかな
I haven't watched smash in over a year. I couldn't watch this longer than 2 minutes.
genuinely the most disheartening set i've seen in the past 5 years
so can we ban him now
Nope
Tweek ?
Bu…bu…but the twelve year olds who have no experience with the game watching this because “funny block man” would get mad. We can have that. The actual players who work hard to get to where they are need to suffer. Point being TO’s are cowards and will never do it unfortunately.
i feel so bad for tweek
If Steve is played like this he should be banned. A character that can choose to never interact unless they are highly favored in any given situation is not good. For the health of the game
Oh look, Rioru, the guy with 4 accounts thusfar. I guess those are also your likes. Cool.
18:02 Can somebody tell me the inputs that Tweek did to do this?
i think he’s just doing a lot b-reverses with the peanut gun. you can cancel the gun early with a jump and then b-reverse to shift your aerial momentum. it would probably be better to look up a video on b-reversing if u wanna practice.
That sequence was the most interesting part of the set
It’s a shield cancel, you can press shield immediately as you popgun/b reverse and it’ll cancel without an airdodge in the air or without shield coming out on the ground
look up popgun canceling instead@@zafkiel8983
Thanks
Another tournament ruined because people refuse to ban a clearly broken character in a party game not receiving updates anymore.
You gotta be delusional to think Acola could pull this off with any other character. Not even Aegis is this broken, since they actually have to approach and play the game.
@@user-gaksjg4m I agree. Tweek needs to get better.
@@user-gaksjg4m This has to be bait. I know you didn't just call a top 10 player in the world who was contested for best in the world at one point "weak". Tweek has been a top player, longer than Acola has even been going to tournaments. I'm not even that big of a Tweek fan, but this comment is just disrespectful.
@@jj6148
Incidentally, Japanese DD player Riouo has been playing Maesuma to a set count of 2-2 against A-cola😂
Please admit that Tweek is more stupid than Riuoh😂
@@ららら-p7p I'd love to see him win half the majors Tweek has lmao. Also, he still lost the set in the end either way. And tweek has taken acola to game 5 twice before this.
@@jj6148 Sadly multiple burner accounts here made just to obviously bait and badmouth Tweek for trying a new strat
That was tough to watch, great match none the less. The Seph struggling so hard against Steve despite having a bit better tools to break blocks vs the much hotter Diddy, and trying to play for the time strategy was a good try. Can't wait to see Tweek bounce back and wonder if anyone can slow down Acola
What you mean anyone? He placed 4th, at least 3 can 🤣
how was this a great match? ;D 3-0 match with 20min runtime and a solid 5min tweek not doing anything at all cause what is the point
It was not a great match. You don’t have to lie.
Steve is tough to watch. He's an absolutely unbalanced character who's meta is camping.
@blurry.magnetsSonic is cool in the correct hands, which luckily for us, are the kind of hands owned by the two best sonic mains
Idk
I just find Sonix doing a combo into going offstage and killing with fair to be really satisfying
if we went off stereotypes, I would have never expected Acola from Japan to be this disrespectful. Bro has an angel on one shoulder and ddee on the other😅
where was he disrespectful?
By playing Steve
why is there no rule against lack of engagement. I loved ultimate before but this has lost a lot of value as a spectator imo
Because what if you try to engage and get punished for it? Smash is a game where you have too much space to work with and camping is a huge part of the game, always. You just can't make those kind of rules for such a campy game, unfortunately. Retreating and attacking beats a lot of approaches.
@@luigimitsu I agree and totally get where you're coming from it just seems like he's rewarded for not engaging which I guess is a legitimate strategy it just loses a lot of fun as a spectator. Tweek took the loss in stride which is way more than I could say for myself. I don't consider myself a rager but that would tilt me 🤣🤣
@@mr_knowledge_ Yep, I've fought top Steve's online and I hated every moment, I'm happy I can beat most Steve's, but playing a true master of the character is a nightmare. I used to main him as well, knew from the beginning that the character was bullshit lol.
Still the player doesn't deserve hate for playing to their characters strengths, but it's a load of nonsense fighting that character.
@@luigimitsu yeah I wasn't meaning any hate towards acola at all but definitely deep rooted hatred for Steve lmao
I doubt that's the case, he takes less risks by playing this way, which leads to a secured win. Instead of trying to rush to take a stock, potentially running out of resources, taking damage etc. Optimal Steve, it's either that or get zero to deaths (resources don't matter quite as much then) but those are really hard to do consistently.@SinfulCadence
Game 3 is literally the best metaphor I could think of for how it feels to be a marginalized group during a time of false peace
You must be a Ganon main then 😂
Ban Steve. He's so OP compared to the rest of the cast.
Watching one of the best Sephiroth players IN THE WORLD barely able to take a stock from a character, who has the cheesiest, campiest meta, is just heartbreaking lol
A person who doesn't use Sephiroth that much in tournament anymore, and Sephiroth is a trash character that gets whooped by all the top tiers.
17:28
Please respect the players because they are the players of this tournament.
Very unpleasant for both players.
What happened ?
Respect is earned, not given. And neither of them deserve respect - especially Gavin. Really embarrassing performance.
@@SeriousMcnegative what exactly did he do that was embarassing?
Who is he to steal people time like that
I'd rather have Cloud backair than any aerial Sephiroth has. Enough said.
Ofc, Cloud bair is one of the best bairs in the game.
This is the worst set I've ever watched.
Not sorry.
tweekがグータッチをあcolaの顔に叩き込まなかったのは偉かった
このコメのどこに訴訟できる要素あるねん😢 もしかして、手帳貰ってないだけの小○者？😥
@@たまま-p7c訴訟云々の話がくっそキショいのは概ね同意だけどいいすぎやね
まあディディー選択して、先行できなかったらああいう展開になるのは本人が1番読めただろうから、あこーらさんを責める要素はないよ
言い過ぎました そこは申し訳ないです🙇♀️
@@user-gaksjg4m キッズは出来ないことすぐ言うの辞めようね😢
Up until now, I thought people were just being whiny for wanting Steve banned. Never seen a game like this. Nuts.
Tweek lost on purpose
I was 1 of the people not crazy about banning wobbling. I was wrong. The melee community ended up doing the right thing for the game to survive.
I was hesitant around banning Bayo. I was wrong. The Smash 4 community ended up killing the game b/c of that decision.
I've been hesitant around banning Steve. And I am wrong. The Ultimate community needs to ban him asap.
Why did youtube recommand to me the most depressing match ever
I'm so tired
The only ones being even more of a coward than Acola are the TOs that refuse to ban Steve
Naw honestly, the true a**hole is kinda production ngl
I deadass hope that if we get a new smash game down the line, Sakurai or whoever is spearheading the development just looks back at the mistake that is Steve in Ultimate so we never have things like this ever again
In a game full of really good and really strong characters there's no reason why we should have someone who breaks the fundemental rules of a platform fighter and rewards you for just mashing specials out of rolls, or doesn't even follow the rules of his own game
We're stuck in this cycle of _______ character is clearly the best and broken because of an unbalanced mechanic, the majority of people want to ban __________ for the health of the competitive scene. "But Japan won't ban ________ so it doesn't matter" only for people to just say fuck it and not ban the problem which leads to more people talking about how they wanted the character banned or just never released at all.
Ultimate is dying, it's 5 years old at this point but Steve players are speedrunning it'd death with Acola leading the charge
Why does it matter if Japan bans Steve
@@nathancasey7712 because it’s one of the main reasons people say we shouldn’t ban Steve, because Japan will never ban him
It’s not a good argument for keeping him legal, but it’s one that idiots bring up
@@mydude7876 Weird I'm new to playing smash consistently but that just makes no sense to me. Like who cares we're not in Japan. All the tournament I watch are American pretty much.
@@nathancasey7712 Part of it is that Japan is arguably the strongest region along with NA, and people think that Acola would just have to retire if Steve was banned instead of playing like how he was before he came out
It’s just tons of people essentially closing their eyes and hoping the problem just fixes itself or goes away
本質的な問題って何？😅
お前がスマブラの競技性について議論したところで、桜井さんはパーティーゲームという概念の元で競技として成り立たせているので、競技性を突き詰めたいならスト6とかやればええやん
I wonder how Tweek's Pokemon Trainer would have done in this MU
Apparently ivysaur does very well vs steve. Idk about the other two tho
@@JosoLifts Still think his PT would get farmed by Acola. Diddy is his best bet.
Can someone just explain me How a character can do good against Steve💀💀💀
Greninja invalidates the ever living shit out of Steve but no one wants to use him. Rising fair snuffs minecart, charged shuriken travels through blocks, counter on anvil/minecart, double jump/up-b at ledge removes ledge trapping, and the speed/jump height to follow Steve off stage for edge guards.
You can also just fall into his up smash with counter if you want to and Gren can do other things like challenge walking up tilt with his down tilt and poke Steve through anvil drops from the side with rising bair (fair clanks sometimes).
He’s the one character I picked up that actually puts Steve on the backfoot.
@@NotHere-un5pf what does greninja do when steve is holding up tilt on his shield
Is it even fun doing this? I know it is a competition, but i can't believe he gets any feeling of accomplishment
God this character is insanely boring. Run away mine, run away mine, minecart, minecart, 60 percent combo a 3 year old can do, minecart, run away, run away, run away
Tweek let him do that though.. Acola vs Gluto set was nothing like that
@@Hags_95 idk if you watched the same set I did, acola was running away for 21 minutes
@@kingtaco536 yes, bc Tweek let him do that. Watch Acola vs Gluto
11:05 to 12:00 is another reason why Steve needs banned. You cant approach so you have to wait til they stop camping, and then they can camp with any amount of a lead because approaching Steve with NOT Min-Min is bad.
The Steve player also BMs throughout the match. Classy.
I miss the era of tweek and pokemon trainer 😭
Steve ruined smash. Every other character gets a nerf over time but they close up shop after steve? Okay.
Also nerf Pichu, then buff Pikachu even though Pikachu was better on the tier list. Sorry, as a Pichu main, I had to get that out there.
I fully believe Acola intentionally attacked Tweek’s weak mental from minute one. He played with Lvl 10 degeneracy that we hadn’t seen before.
Right? 😂. He even giggled with the camera zoom in at the end.
Almost 20 min for a 3-0 is bad i wish the match where a bit faster most of the time.
Even if it Acola gameplan to not approach Tweek for x reason, the game favor to much certain characters that can avoid interacting with the opponent with there tools that the game offers them.
I wish there was a system like guilty gear or something close to punishing like tha.
What happened at 17:27?
The person who was behind the editing scenes decided to switch to the ending screen before the match was even over, basically making fun of Tweek saying he had no chance of winning this game. Even if it’s true, it was disrespectful of the person who controls the scenes.
This has got to be more lame than G&W vs Sonic. Or R.O.B vs anyone. Tweek is a better man than me, because win or lose, after matches like that-you're not getting a fist bump ever.
見てる側も面白くないし対戦相手も面白くないしスティーブ使い自身もご機嫌取りみたいな感じで微妙なリアクションして盛り下げるし独りよがりすぎる完全にスマブラSPの汚点となるファイタースティーブ。
11:20 this is good gameplay
this is ultimate now days... just camping and cheesing and spamming your win conditions. I honestly think that if the community doesn't grow up and start changing rules they are just gonna keep losing a lot of viewers. Imo
Steve is a huge issue. Kazuya can at least be scary or hype to root for/against. Its not even fun to root for or against Steve, its better to check the stats not watch the match.
Every character has a win condition in Smash, its about the way they implement it
I find Kazuya dashing towards an opponent way more entertaining than steve hiding behind two walls and a platform for 7 minutes, tbh
@@doodoo2065And at least Kazuya has counterplay and visible weaknesses.
Steve is very healthy for the game.
海外でセフィロスってどんな評価ですか？
Wow Steve is literally the lamest character in Smash history
Lol cry
Nah that’s ode. Point of the game is to box it out and interact with the other players. How the hell are you gonna build a wall to keep the players away from you. L gameplay no lie. Props to tweek for trying though and keeping his cool
Please stop that, Steve ruins the game
マジで面白くないな。こんなの私たちが求めたゲームじゃない
今回AKを除くアメリカのプレイヤー全員が日本勢に負け、dabuz ken戦以外は日本勢が全部勝った
"アメリカ"じゃなく、"NA"と縋る気持ちわかるよ
I didn't particularly dislike Acola/Steve until I saw the Diddy interaction at the start of the match. "I will sit here, and not fight you until I have maxed my resources...even then, you must approach me." I guess it is competitive so anything goes if/when there's money on the line of course but damn. As a casual-try-hard-but-have-fun, I have zero respect for people who fight like that. I'm there to _play_ Smash, not win at the cost of both of us being bored out of our minds.
You do realize tweek was doing the same thing? He literally sat there for like a full minute doing nothing. Tf else is Acola gonna do?
@@mercurysnake274 He could, I don't know, play smash instead of minecraft? Steve is stupid safe when he's mining behind walls and walls, approaching him often means you're just gonna get punished
You're there to play smash but these guys are there to win. Going to game 2 is great but he had the chance to calmly observe how his opponent tries to bridge the gap with the bonus of getting into his head. Sometimes mind games can go a long way, similar to how Spargo was frustrating Sonix with all the up B's he kept doing.
@@mercurysnake274 I don't think you recognize the difference between evasion and "I'll never approach." Before I thought Acola was a bit evasive, but I've never seen a test like what Tweek did. Confirming that Acola really won't approach 10/10 times. He's not even going to put out safe options and mildly approach. If you don't know the difference, then you think they're doing the same thing, but it's not at all.
@@EbonySeraphim Again, he doesn’t HAVE an incentive to approach.
If Tweek is gonna sit there and do nothing, there’s no reason for Acola NOT to farm resources
What did Tweek say at 17:28?
i think he said "what are you doing?" since they switched scenes
It looked like tweek said "why would you do that?", Likely because he recognized the big screen was showing player faces instead of the match, which could be embarrassing
17:28 tweek gets pissed that they changed the camera angle on the stream
I’m convinced the only people defending acola are Steve players
Steve peepee riders
What is there to defend? If you're just going to sit there and watch me mine why would I take the free dub? This was 100% on tweek wanting to slow down the pace
@@TheBomberman122 what else can you do against Steve??? Especially as diddy Steve ruins this game
@@CancelFGCwhat else can you do? Do you even play the game? Without his mats, which tweek let him have as much as he wanted, he has a hard time defending himself. Go watch any spargo game vs Acola and tell me if spargo ever just sat there watching him mine.
@@TheBomberman122 oh yeah your definitely a Steve main
Pokemon Stadium seems like a very good stage for Steve; why do players not ban it when playing against him?
Because the other stage choices are also horrible.
Steve needs to be banned. He is not healthy for the game or for spectators.
Honestly, great job for Tweek trying to find a way out of that fight vs Steve. Personally, stage is the key to having a better match up with Steve, and PS2 was not it. That wall up from Acola at the right points of the two platform is going to be hard for any body fighting Steve and that's not including Steve's good frame data compared to others.
Unfortunately, Tweek couldn't find a way to break that, because Steve is that good of a character. Not to say Acola isn't a good player, the amount of parries he was doing were spot on, but the brutal truth is the DLCs imbalance destroyed most of the cast. Why try harder with another base rooster character when the DLC can do less execution (ish) and deal the same damage or more. It's a common PvP knowledge.
Good Job to both players and more to Tweek because he was dealing with a Steve. Acola's strategy is not underhanded, he played correctly, call it what you will, but he played solid with or without Steve.
Incidentally, Japanese DD player Riouo has been playing Maesuma to a set count of 2-2 against A-cola😂
Please admit that Tweek is more stupid than Riuoh😂
@user-gy1qs8qj9m You are spamming that everywhere. You okay?
It’s not even DLCS all the DLCS are MORE beatable than Steve, and it’s honestly annoying because once Steve came out he easily made it to top 8s like months later
@@ららら-p7p please admit that you a hater
Tweek should bring back Cloud or PT as a secondary to deal with GnW/Steve, and abandon Sephiroth. Seph only helps him vs BigD's Icies, but doesn't really cover any of Diddy's bad MU's.
100% agree, seph is also mid af
He said recently he's probably gonna switch to Cloud.
Meh. Sephiroth is great for this matchup. Tweek got severely outplayed. He was giving too much respect to Steve’s burst options. Also, he let the production teams’ antics get under his skin during the set which made it worse.
I believe in Tweek though. He can do much better next time.
i hope this helps the steve ban
Now that the tournament has finished I can confidently say that this was one of the worst if not the worst top 8 ever in FGC history, Ultimate is so boring rn, literally 8 guys trying to camp each other out, Steve really disables the former fast-paced top level gameplay Ultimate was famous for, everybody is forced to play at the most sluggish pace ever. I cannot blame Nintendo for leaving the competitive scene, the most boring FG atm (if you can even call it a FG)
Only three sets in top 8 had Steve. Out of ten.
@@legrandliseurtri7495 he is talking about sonic too.. and there were two sonic's out there
@@legrandliseurtri7495 The top 8 of the last 3 major tournaments have AT LEAST 2 Steves, 2 Sonics a GnW and Sparg0. Regradless, the characters could be all rushdown unga-bunga characters and it wouldn't matter, everybody plays campy now (including players like Leo, Tweek and Sparg0), whoever approaches first loses, its the most boring metagame in Smash history.
There's a reason why Peach/Daisy dittos and Fox dittos garner a lot more interest at top level in both the gameplay and the players behind it, rather than the swill of the majority of results from majors and minors have devolved into.
Nah u literally have to blame nintendo for putting this character out and never nerfing or even touching up on his moves.
Steve is shameful.
How does tweeks kum taste like
whoever kept zooming up on tweek's face like that - you are just a jerk. Not only is that rude to any player, but literally watch the throne was made possible partially because of tweek talks.
Its sad that you can be so much better than someone else and it not matter.
Not sure why Tweek was playing so passive and defensive with Seph, even with the wing. I understand you don’t want to fall in Steve’s trap, but you can’t just let him mine non-stop without getting contested either. Gotta apply pressure.
Barely used counter either, which you’d want to use when you know you’re overextending that aforementioned pressure to catch that minecart or anvil the Steve will likely do to get out of disadvantage or cut off your chase.
Agreed.
2:00 Acola is kidding with us
Steve is killing some parts of the tournament, really, boring AF. Killing part of what Smash is. Seeing Steve just building blocks on his back to not get killed while covering the only place where he can be attacked is painful to watch. Steve is cancer made gameplay
Please just ban Steve, this is getting ridiculous.
03:44. Granted it wasn’t the sweet spot, but can we take a moment and acknowledge how ridiculous it is that one wing seph down smash didn’t break the block 😂😂😂
This really shows how degenrate is the character and how degenerate are players justifing his presence in competitive play