I´ve always been puzzle, or was puzzle with why evangelical voted for Trump, and defended him, like some prominent pastors did, knowing that he is not exactly a role model, he is not even an evangelical. Your explanation helps me a lot to understand why it was. Thanks to youtube and to your interviews I have found a possible explanation and even though I haven´t read your book I see things better now.
I cant wait to dig into this book. Thank you Kristin for doing this important work and Calvin University for being an academic environment where these conversations can happen!
Eagerly awaiting Kristin’s next book, Jesus and Che , how globalized mainstream denominations contextualized the Gospel to become a hard left self help guide about feeling good about one’s self and social revolution doctrine. One is just as extreme and wrong as the other .
I grew up in what I like to call an "evangelical adjacent" denomination. The General Association of Regular Baptist Churches (GARBC) is definitely fundamentalist, but not exactly evangelical - although I definitely saw the evangelical creep during the 2000 election. I'll never forget the shock and horror my brother and I felt when we heard a pastor at a church we were visiting (we had just moved and where looking for a church) pray from the pulpit that George W Bush would win. My brother and I had absolutely no idea who Bush was or who his opponent in the election was. All we knew was that one of the key founding principles of Baptists was Separation of Church and State. We'd heard all about the Rhode Island Baptists and how having a secular government that kept out of the church (and that the church kept out of the government) was one of the key characteristics that set Baptists apart from many of the other groups of Christians in the American Colonies. And we recognized that the pastor was attempting to influence his congregation through that public prayer. I think if it hadn't been for that incident, we quite likely would have gone to church there. For the record, our parents were the ones that taught us all about the Rhode Island Baptists (it wasn't in any of the classes we'd taken, nor in any of the Sunday School lessons we'd had), but they didn't seem to see a problem with the prayer. The sermons were becoming more reactionary by the time we left the church that my family finally settled on after moving back to Iowa in 2000. We ended up leaving that church around 2009 for several reasons - including the fact that when my mom lost her full time job in the recession, she ended up finding work that required her to work on Sundays and Dad ended up getting a 2nd part time job that also required him to work on Sundays. Ofc the reason we stopped going to that church in particular was because of a disagreement between the Associate Pastor and my mother and then it was basically clinched when it turned out that same Associate Pastor got caught in an "inappropriate relationship" with a 17 year old girl in the Youth Group. And my parents just never found another church they wanted to go to - I think they like sleeping in on Sundays TBH. That was fine with both me and my brother - my brother has gone anti-organized religion in his... unique way. And I'm now an atheist.
I read Kristin’s Book & shared it on my Social Media platforms. I just hope folks Read it & Share it. It is a remarkable & insightful Book. All the Best to her.
When you shared the link, did you get many negative responses? The reason I was interested in Kristin's book is because I can't understand why so many 'Christians' and Big E churches support someone that's the antithesis of a Christian. .
It's incredibly clear this has been exported. And for any senior who isn't a traditionalist and hasn't been swept up in the far right experience of religion - whether evangelical or Catholic - much of this has been obvious. As she points out faith has changed. You hear people spouting ideology in the name of the Bible - everyone walking in lock step - when interpretation used to be individual among members of this group. I don't see much in the way of individualism. Glad she's sees the machismo aspect, as I see that too and I see more and more black men buying the propaganda being spouted by the right about the Democratic Party (which has it's issues but not as misrepresented by the right). It is racialised and anyone who is not white who really believes these folk are their allies are fooling themselves. And if you see the right wing as a avenue to get ahead, it will be at the expense of other people. At the core, there is a lack of cooperation with other Americans unless you believe like they believe. Perhaps you want to live in an authoritarian world and think you'll have a place in it.
I would never want to live in a world that buys this emasculating narrative that is scripturally false and divisive . Jesus did not come to earth as a woman why! None of the disciples were women why??? cRT philosophy has no place in the church. Her narrative cherry picks and her interpretation of evangelical Christianity is way off base she bias arrogant and a wolf in sheeps clothing . I hope America goes down inflame is this garbage gets any traction . She never debates the opposing view on you tube with anyone credible it’s just a delusional woke view of Christianity and it’s false teaching
Authoritarian 😆 that’s the most non-evangelical cities in our nation. That’s where you’ll find authoritarianism. You are delusional. And black males are finally realizing it. They are reclaiming their individual power by questioning the lies and propaganda about white supremacy that has been used by the jack-booted thugs of the Democratic Party to keep them in power for decades.
We are not isolationist. Our alliance with France in our war if independence is evidence of our international reach wile we're were still 13 tiny, and relatively poor colonies. We as a country have never been isolationist. Thiis a poor understanding of the U.S.A. and it's History
Thank you for a book that sees through the circus we call evangelicalism. May Kristen be an increasingly prominent person so Christianity can stay sane.
@@ThomasCranmer1959 didn't the early Christians volunteer to sell their property, pool their resources, and live in communes, per the book of acts? Paul references living 100% off this kind of charity in his epistles. These communalist values were the seeds of the monastery system which sustained Europe for over a thousand years. How bad could it be, if the apostles and early Christians chose to live this way?
@@wolfumz First off, voluntary giving is what the passage teaches, not communal ownership. The example of Ananias and Saphira proves that. Also the 10 commandments forbids coveting anything that belongs to one's neighbor. Private property is a God given commandment. #10 to be exact. Common grace is heresy and leads to this sort of nonsense. Charitable giving is one thing and socialism is quite another. God has only one grace and it is irresistible. Providence is a bad thing for the eternally decreed reprobate person.
@@wolfumz Chose? The account in Acts nowhere says this was arbitrary. It says the Holy Spirit directed everything. It is called providence. Nothing happens by chance. Ephesians 1:4-8.
I appreciate Kristin introducing me to patriarchy. Having grown up in the Assembly of God church, literally attending no less than four services per week, listening to hours of sermons on record and cassette weekly, it wasn’t until I read her book that I learned that I have lived an isolated life. Aside from one usher that was decisively chivalrous, I have been surrounded by men who were humble, soft and unassuming. I had no idea that this was a matriarchy. Rarely did I hear a peep about women submitting, or about male headship. I grew up with seven sisters and a great God fearing mother. My father passed away when I was only 8 yrs old. Little did I realize my masculine deficit until my wife decided that she had had enough of her weak, spineless, unassuming husband. Using her sexual power wasn’t enough, she was going for a lawyer this time. But first, she would kick me out of the beautiful house I built for her, was barred from our four children, and would sleep in the house that I was trying to rent out. With no real support from my church or any other church for that matter, I took it upon myself to discover manhood. I want to thank Kristin for introducing me to “patriarchy.” Because I certainly didn’t learn about it at church, as she supposes. Perhaps she isolates herself to Amish churches? Kristin laments that we didn’t elect the pro-abortion feminist, Hillary Clinton, because Trump is a big bully and his pro-life position interferes with a woman’s autonomy. It’s proof, she claims, that men want to control every aspect of the female’s choice over her own body. All because of patriarchy! Patriarchy is the problem, because men want their little babies to live. Yes, she really does say this in her book, read it and weep. What has the Christian university come to? As she complains about men and their interest in guns, hunting and war, I wonder if she ever considered what abortion statistics show, .4 million lives were lost in WWII, approximately 250 million babies lost their lives due to chemically induced abortions since 1973 in the USA. Planned Parenthood reports the number of abortions performed each year in their annual report. Planned Parenthood’s 2005-2006 annual report states that from 1977 through 2005, Planned Parenthood performed 4,068,749 abortions in the USA. Other PP annual reports show they committed 264,943 abortions in 2005, 289,750 in 2006, 305,310 in 2007, 324,008 in 2008, 331,796 in 2009, and 329,445 in 2010. They reported 333,924 in 2011, 327,166 in 2012, 327166 in 2013, 323999 in 2014, 328,348 in 2015, 321,384 in 2016, 332,757 in 2017 and 345,672 in 2018. Again, that’s just for Planned Parenthood. I’m not pro-war but why would a Christian woman advocate abortion on demand? I would bet that she would expect her daughter’s school to ask her permission before giving her Tylenol. Why wouldn’t she expect the same for an abortion pill? In short, this book is pure feminist propaganda, and I think I’ve demonstrated that she’s a hypocrite who knows little about the American church.
I’m sorry that that happened to you, Jim. Wow: It sounds like your former wife employed the tactics that are historically associated with the patriarchy - emotional and logistical domination that is non-consensual, thus not agreed upon. Anyone who takes power over anyone else, namely in an aggressive way, is not acting from a place of love, but rather from an abuse of power - regardless of their gender identification. I can sense the pain in your post, if I may say, and pray that your heart will heal. It sounds like what happened to you, in your marriage, was not okay. The whole point is, we should all respect and care for one another. God bless you~
@@brialapoint2608 Christianity is not my bone of contention, it is her naivety. Go read Tom Holland's work on why, even though he is an atheist, attributes the rise of dignity based society to Christianity. Furthermore, bverge
It's a little weird to me that you would roll in here, write a detailed, bitter comment about your divorce, then get mad that De Mez' book doesn't satisfactorily address your situation. This is not really a book about your personal problems, dude. I have no idea what went wrong with your marriage or your divorce, but, with respect, it has no logical connection with the history of american evangelical's vision of masculinity, or this interview. Except, I guess, if I am reading you correctly, you expected your church to intervene in your divorce and support you. You seem to think your personal experience contradicts De Mez's argument, or, confusingly, that De Mez' feminist beliefs have traction within the evangelical movement.
Do we have to refer to toxic/militant forms of Christianity as "muscular"? It's a bit demotivating as I'm listening to this in my home gym, trying to work off all the weight I've gained during this holiday quarantine...
It’s masculinity rather than muscular. And it’s the toxic kind of masculinity that they were discussing. By the way am also in the gym trying to shed the extra weight. 😃 Hope you achieved your goals
I appreciate these thoughts. So glad this book is out. But Calvinism in itself - holds the religious ideology of “The Elect”, which I find painfully ironic given the content presented here.
I became an activist after university because of my awful experiences at a Christian school. But I did not question either the teachers or the students who offended me with racial nor discriminatory comments. I question their faith and how it always avoids difficult subjects like slavery or years of genocide to take over the land of natives. The problem is not how the Christian masculinity has evolved to what it is. The problem is the protestant ideology been forced to others from the arrival of the first eligals in the continent. Culture and religion takes thousands of years to develop. The oldest protestant ideology is no even 840 years old. What made them think that raping, slaving and force them to belive in them was the best way to abandon their thousands of years of culture and knowledge from their roots?
Anyone else think it's bizarre to talk about christianity as if it had moral values? I guess if you think taking a stand against democracy and rule of law is a moral value...
Christianity isn't a religion it is a ideology that stipulates that God is white and if you want to meet white God you have to accept white people's behavior without apologies or recompense.
Most quoted Old Testament verse in the New Testament: Psalm 110:1 “The LORD says to my Lord: ‘Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.’” God has enemies & he will triumph over them in sweeping fashion. I 100% agree that the church has adopted a counterfeit version of masculinity. But to use that as an argument to say that men & women shouldn’t seek to be agents of Jesus’ victory in our world seems to be out of step with what God is up to in our world. Jesus both loves his enemies and defeats his enemies-He doesn’t need us to figure out or advise him on how to do that. We repent for missing the mark, open his Word & obey the spirit’s marching orders from there.
Liberals don't believe the Bible speaks of homosexuality, because the word isn't even used in the Bible. What they don't understand, is that, the Bible spans about 4,000 years, and that the words we use today, were not used back when the Bible was written.
Can we all agree that testosterone replacement therapy has gotten out of hand? The medical community prescribes injections to overcome impacts of the Standard American Diet, but according to Dr. Robert Sapolsky, testosterone reinforces the "us and them" dichotomy, resulting in justification of division.
@@greglogan7706 I additionally believe the "range" on serum testosterone levels should serve as an indicator of success only secondary to behavior. If labs are within range, but you are punching holes in your sheetrock at home, the dose needs to be adjusted accordingly.
Testosterone is the will of God, as is estrogen. Search yourself why you don't want to be different. It is a pathology. You would be less than dead or born had not it been for Testosterone.
Why do lesbians try to be masculine? Just curious to each his own. God Bless John Wayne.Best actor ever. True American. They show John Wayne movies in Marine Corps boot camp.
The more questions she answered the more she betrayed her bias. She makes several good points about how current “Christian” masculinity does not jive with scripture, etc. But I suspect that her research suffers from the same problem that plagues all research in the social sciences. Namely that the researchers usually always find the evidence to support their thesis. History is very squishy; it’s not difficult to interpret it according to your bias.
there's a section in the book where she shows how fear played this important role in the rise of Evangelicalism, and how Evangelical leaders stoked the flames of fear in their congregations. While they did this, it had the effect of solidifying their personal power. We can't know if, for the leaders, this was an intentional or conscious strategy to grow their power and influence... but I don't think it's particularly biased to observe that this happened. De Mez's book documents occasions when evangelical leaders were responding to threats that did not actually exist. We know the threats did not exist because we have hindsight. Evangelical radio pastors and national leaders claimed the white race was ending, Americans would have their homes seized by secret communists in the government, the bible would be made illegal, etc. They spread these fears to their congregations. They made it seem as though christians and Americans were facing an imminent existential threat. These fears were used to justify a lot. In reality, though, the evangelical church was never genuinely under any real threat from anyone, much less to the point its survival was at stake. Their fears were totally unfounded. This point about fear is connected to the movement's history of sexual abuse. It is ironic that a movement which is so preoccupied with women's sexual behavior and purity (say, when it comes to divorce), in reality, ended up passionately defending the rape and sexual assault of their congregants. The evangelical church, like the catholic church, has a shameful history of protecting perpetrators, lying to cover it up "for the mission," and destroying victims. The Catholic church has attempted to make amends, but the evangelican movement still seems unrepentant (at least IMO). The sexual abuse stuff is just one example of the dangers of this overreaction, this state of being locked into a life or death battle with a phantom. "The mission" can be used to justify anything, even if 'the mission' is totally unmerited.
Just a note for masculinity as a reference (KJV ) numbers 25 read the chapter pay close attention to the verses 7-13 ,Phinehas the grand son of Aaron the priest saves the children of Israel . And in Roman’s 12:9 the word ( abhor that which is evil and cleave to that which is good) Also a example verses of masculinity Rom12:1-21. These applied then and today!! The difference is that the law of the land doesn’t not allow anyone to run persons through .Titus 3:1-6 Titus 3:1 Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work.All examples of masculinity . Definition of masculinity =qualities or attributes regarded as characteristic of men( just sayin) 🙂
I absolutely think it's time to re-evaluate culture, but I would tend to suggest a different vision for that re-construction. Why reconstruct christianity? It has a long stories history, and not much of it is good. Most of it is grizzly to say the least and frankly, I don't think it can be any other way. Why not create a more secular nation that lives up to the higher moral standards of secularism and strive to make those values even better? It seems to me that continuing christianity is unnecessary, makes good moral values more difficult and less likely to prevail. Consider, just as one issue of many, how do you make a christian? Generally, people become a christian before they can question what they are being told. The very reliance on reaching people before they can question what you're telling them is not a great tradition. Combine with that the use of fear as a a weapon against the mind of a child and it becomes very grizzly business indeed which it is doubtful christianity can survive without engaging in. I think deconstruction and reconstruction is right, but I don't think we should bother including christianity in the reconstruction.
Actually the United States of America is supposed to be a completely secular country ("We the people..."). The effort to "Christianize" America is totally Anti-Christ at every level in contrary to the fundamental teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ!!
Interesting interview I read Jesus and John Wayne. It is a super polemical book. All white evangelicals are stereotyped into one racist, patriarchal, and militaristic. A more nuanced book could have done much good. Unfortunately, this book had an agenda and seemed to force a one basic bad agenda on all white evangelicals It does not take long to see that how the agenda was created. The author has admitted that alternative models of evangelical masculinity were removed from the book by her or her editors. Her definition of patriarchy includes any form of complenmentarianism. She has defined patriarchy as any system in which males have leadership over females. What I mean is any view that would limit church elders to men or teach that a male is the spiritual head of the family is patriarchy because makes have leadership over females. Thus I cannot see how she cannot say a soft complementarian is does not believe in patriarchy since they hold to some form of male only leadership even if it is in a very self sacrificing and nuanced way. Thus all complentarians are lumped in the patriarchy basket with those that believe that women should not work or hold public office etc. She compares in this video Egalitarian vs. patriarchy. It seems abundantly clear those are the only two models or views as far as she is concerned. That is important since it helps blend radically different views of patriarchy and complementarianism into one story. It confuses things so one story can be told. No nuance. She can have her own views. That is fine but I think it is important to realize that the text puts widely different views on women, politics, military intervention, and racial views into one camp I see it as a newer (20th century) form of history in which a subject story becomes primary. You find it also in the 1619 project that forces a slavery narrative over the founding of the US. Its history has been criticized by many early American historical scholars for trying to fit a slavery narrative into the founding of the US as otive even when it makes little to no sense. There are many books out here that are highly polemical from liberals and conservatives. They can be interesting and fun but one has to really be careful that one is not just being sold a narrative instead of history.
You can't write nuance when there is none. This isn't a work or fiction, but non fiction and so one goes where the facts fucking lead wether YOU looks it or not.
@@PhoenixProdLLC If it were all that simple. But it is not. History and facts have to be interpreted and that is where often there are major disagreements. what is in the minds of the people saying or doing what they did? Do you know or not? when one uses an outside interpretive grid such as radical feminism to interpret history then the truth can be radically distorted. it is hard enough to figure out what are the true facts themselves. Does children signing "I am in Lord's Army" really support militarism in Christianity or not? What is the meaning behind the song? See how history is not as simple and so easily distorted by a historian with a particular interpretive bent? Just the fact that the author calls all people who are not egalitarian as patriarchal is very telling. She is not being objective.
Thanks for writing the book and bringing light to a reality that God is very aware of and needs to be transformed. A purpose exists for what has happened keeping all of the Christian community in prayers.
The evangelical community needs really just focus on the evangelical community and stop worrying about what other people are doing with their crotches...(which is rea perverted)....😖
Explains a lot of apostasy in the CRC doesn’t it. The funny part is these things have a way of regulating themselves. This current group of MTD theologians are trying to virtue signal to people that hate them for their beliefs. And always will. This is the theological equivalent of pulling the TV down on your head. Whenever we point out the obvious deviations from doctrine they just pull the “Shhhh shhhhh shhhh just let this happen” card.
@@massunger1 Yes. There are many holy war battles in the Old Testament, including David's three mightiest warriors and their feats of bravery in battle.
@@massunger1 Psalms 144:1 “(A Psalm of David.) Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:” King James Version (KJV)
I’m not sure this woman watched one John Wayne movie all the way through. In most cases he is a reluctant warrior exemplifying slow to anger. And I’ve never heard John Wayne ever brought up in a sermon small group or hey men’s retreat or any church events. No Republican ever owned a slave
The title is a reference to the song 'Jesus and John Wayne' by the Gaither Vocal group. The song is about being raised with a nurturing empathetic mother and a domineering father. The book examines how those different qualities became entrenched in the identities of Christian men and women. Quick summary: Christian fear response to godless communism, the questioning og America's moral righteousness following the Vietnam quagmire, the women's rights act, civil rights act, all triggered evangelicals who concluded that it was all due to the erosion of traditional gender roles creating a generation of "weak" men. The solution was promoting an image of the Christian man as a dominating warrior who is always fighting God's/America's enemies.
@@rayraygoreng6264 No, actually the idea of a warrior who fears the LORD can be traced to the codes of chivalry, that when followed were a beautiful thing. Or, if you want to take it a step even farther back, "Put on the full armor of God..."
What is the gospel? With social action the community can be saved? Or with heart transformation an individual is saved? Do you agree with the heretic Tony Campolo that Christians should only be red letter? Is Tony hinting that Red letter Christians should have a communist leaning?
@Greg Logan I’m calling out liberation theology and the social gospel and the Marxism that is plaguing America and the church in America. Leftists have often fallen for the brainwashing of communists and embraced the propaganda of Russia and attacked American standing against the Marxist revolutions of the past 50 years. This lady is enamored by Hillary, who wrote her thesis on a Marxist revolutionary book “Rules for Radicals” and it was dedicated to Satan. Sure, I must be the one who is misguided. 🤔
@@greglogan7706 Let’s go Brandon! Why don’t you engage your brain instead of acting like your brain is fried by too much thinking? If you can’t engage your head, don’t engage your mouth.
littered with all the buzzwords and jargon of a cable news pundit. Interesting how the 'research' data or methodology is not explained, mentioned or addressed. Hmmm. Must be nice to do research as a humanities major. When a person says 'This behavior is linked to (insert mysandry here)' that is a sure sign there is no causal link, or no proof based on the scientific method.' The hatred for men she has I'm sure has not guided her irrational conclusions.
She has ABSOLUTELY no clue why Trump's popularity after the Access Hollywood tape was released. I doubt she actually interviewed the appropriate number of Trump voters to speak with any authority on the subject.
This is racism. Pure and simple. Calvin University is providing a platform to racism. “How X skin color, x religion, corrupted a faith and fractured a nation”
@@tangerinefizz11 you don't say....then create the same video substituting the word "white" with "black" and see how your logic lands on people. You're brainwashed.
The Vietnam War was discussed. Here’s a little blurb about how Obama’s friends fought back. Obama started his political career in the family home of domestic terrorist Bill Ayers. Bill’s wife , “Dohrn and 27 other weatherman members travel to Yugoslavia and hungry in 1968 to meet with representatives of the Vietcong and to discuss how further student unrest in the US might assist with the North Vietnamese and Viet Kong. She also maintained close relationships with members of the Cuban UN mission in New York. She made several trips to Cuba, where, according to the FBI reports, she met with Cuban and Vietnamese intelligence officers to plan strategies to frustrate American efforts in Vietnam. According to an FBI agent who followed her activities, in the late 1960s door and lived in the San Francisco home of Chinese communist agent...” In There Own Words by Terry Turchie
@@johnlove2954 No actually I am a pretty old woman, born in West Germane during the last big war. I am very grateful to he Marshal Plan to keep us alive, and I love President Obama, because he is everything I admire about America.
@@dorisaffissio1649 You love that he was mentored by a card carrying communist. Were you from the communist side of Germany like Merkel? I guess you like that he had John Brennan heading up the CIA, who voted for President candidate Communist Gus Hall. You maybe like that Obama had James Comey head up the FBI, who said, “I used to be a communist, I don’t know what I am now.”
@@dorisaffissio1649 Are you referring to Donald Trump, who was the 45th president of the United States? The man who was both outspoken and pushed hard to reduce and inhibit the mass murder of babies in America. The man who actually built much of the wall along the southern border. The same wall that Obama talked about, the same wall that Slick Willy talked about as well as both establishment Bushes. Trump, who didn’t start any wars, compared to Obama’s 6 wars. But perhaps you are a warmonger and enjoy that sort of thing. Perhaps you may have hated Trump for his unleashing America’s oil industry to produce more oil than Saudi Arabia. You perhaps like that gas prices are at a record high.
I´ve always been puzzle, or was puzzle with why evangelical voted for Trump, and defended him, like some prominent pastors did, knowing that he is not exactly a role model, he is not even an evangelical. Your explanation helps me a lot to understand why it was. Thanks to youtube and to your interviews I have found a possible explanation and even though I haven´t read your book I see things better now.
Most enlightened article I have seen!! Thanks!!!
Bottom line?
Males with daddy issues often become boot lickers to hyperswaggering bullies who they wish were their fathers.
I cant wait to dig into this book. Thank you Kristin for doing this important work and Calvin University for being an academic environment where these conversations can happen!
Eagerly awaiting Kristin’s next book, Jesus and Che , how globalized mainstream denominations contextualized the Gospel to become a hard left self help guide about feeling good about one’s self and social revolution doctrine.
One is just as extreme and wrong as the other .
Excellent, insightful, and disturbing. Thank you for sponsoring and sharing this.
I grew up in what I like to call an "evangelical adjacent" denomination. The General Association of Regular Baptist Churches (GARBC) is definitely fundamentalist, but not exactly evangelical - although I definitely saw the evangelical creep during the 2000 election. I'll never forget the shock and horror my brother and I felt when we heard a pastor at a church we were visiting (we had just moved and where looking for a church) pray from the pulpit that George W Bush would win.
My brother and I had absolutely no idea who Bush was or who his opponent in the election was. All we knew was that one of the key founding principles of Baptists was Separation of Church and State. We'd heard all about the Rhode Island Baptists and how having a secular government that kept out of the church (and that the church kept out of the government) was one of the key characteristics that set Baptists apart from many of the other groups of Christians in the American Colonies. And we recognized that the pastor was attempting to influence his congregation through that public prayer. I think if it hadn't been for that incident, we quite likely would have gone to church there. For the record, our parents were the ones that taught us all about the Rhode Island Baptists (it wasn't in any of the classes we'd taken, nor in any of the Sunday School lessons we'd had), but they didn't seem to see a problem with the prayer.
The sermons were becoming more reactionary by the time we left the church that my family finally settled on after moving back to Iowa in 2000. We ended up leaving that church around 2009 for several reasons - including the fact that when my mom lost her full time job in the recession, she ended up finding work that required her to work on Sundays and Dad ended up getting a 2nd part time job that also required him to work on Sundays. Ofc the reason we stopped going to that church in particular was because of a disagreement between the Associate Pastor and my mother and then it was basically clinched when it turned out that same Associate Pastor got caught in an "inappropriate relationship" with a 17 year old girl in the Youth Group. And my parents just never found another church they wanted to go to - I think they like sleeping in on Sundays TBH. That was fine with both me and my brother - my brother has gone anti-organized religion in his... unique way. And I'm now an atheist.
I read Kristin’s Book & shared it on my Social Media platforms. I just hope folks Read it & Share it. It is a remarkable & insightful Book. All the Best to her.
When you shared the link, did you get many negative responses? The reason I was interested in Kristin's book is because I can't understand why so many 'Christians' and Big E churches support someone that's the antithesis of a Christian. .
It's incredibly clear this has been exported. And for any senior who isn't a traditionalist and hasn't been swept up in the far right experience of religion - whether evangelical or Catholic - much of this has been obvious. As she points out faith has changed. You hear people spouting ideology in the name of the Bible - everyone walking in lock step - when interpretation used to be individual among members of this group. I don't see much in the way of individualism. Glad she's sees the machismo aspect, as I see that too and I see more and more black men buying the propaganda being spouted by the right about the Democratic Party (which has it's issues but not as misrepresented by the right). It is racialised and anyone who is not white who really believes these folk are their allies are fooling themselves. And if you see the right wing as a avenue to get ahead, it will be at the expense of other people. At the core, there is a lack of cooperation with other Americans unless you believe like they believe. Perhaps you want to live in an authoritarian world and think you'll have a place in it.
The left are the totalitarians. Communism is godless and evil.
I would never want to live in a world that buys this emasculating narrative that is scripturally false and divisive . Jesus did not come to earth as a woman why! None of the disciples were women why??? cRT philosophy has no place in the church. Her narrative cherry picks and her interpretation of evangelical Christianity is way off base she bias arrogant and a wolf in sheeps clothing . I hope America goes down inflame is this garbage gets any traction . She never debates the opposing view on you tube with anyone credible it’s just a delusional woke view of Christianity and it’s false teaching
Authoritarian 😆 that’s the most non-evangelical cities in our nation. That’s where you’ll find authoritarianism. You are delusional. And black males are finally realizing it. They are reclaiming their individual power by questioning the lies and propaganda about white supremacy that has been used by the jack-booted thugs of the Democratic Party to keep them in power for decades.
What have you observed happening with the Catholic church?
I often wonder how a country with over 900 military bases around the world can be described as isolationist.
We are not isolationist. Our alliance with France in our war if independence is evidence of our international reach wile we're were still 13 tiny, and relatively poor colonies. We as a country have never been isolationist. Thiis a poor understanding of the U.S.A. and it's History
@@johntobey1558 I think Douglas is commenting on this latest wave of “America first” anti-globalization “isolation ism.”
Thank you for a book that sees through the circus we call evangelicalism. May Kristen be an increasingly prominent person so Christianity can stay sane.
agree
I just found this, this week. Excellent topic
At a bit over halfway through, I am anxious now to read on! She has re-kindled my original interest in this book. Can't wait to get more!
Watching this makes me seriously worried about our future as a society.
Me, too. How can this woman support secular humanism and communism?
@@ThomasCranmer1959 didn't the early Christians volunteer to sell their property, pool their resources, and live in communes, per the book of acts? Paul references living 100% off this kind of charity in his epistles. These communalist values were the seeds of the monastery system which sustained Europe for over a thousand years. How bad could it be, if the apostles and early Christians chose to live this way?
@@wolfumz First off, voluntary giving is what the passage teaches, not communal ownership. The example of Ananias and Saphira proves that. Also the 10 commandments forbids coveting anything that belongs to one's neighbor. Private property is a God given commandment. #10 to be exact. Common grace is heresy and leads to this sort of nonsense. Charitable giving is one thing and socialism is quite another. God has only one grace and it is irresistible. Providence is a bad thing for the eternally decreed reprobate person.
@@wolfumz Chose? The account in Acts nowhere says this was arbitrary. It says the Holy Spirit directed everything. It is called providence. Nothing happens by chance. Ephesians 1:4-8.
@@wolfumz Monasteries were abolished by the Protestant Reformation for good reason. Work is a vocation.
I appreciate Kristin introducing me to patriarchy. Having grown up in the Assembly of God church, literally attending no less than four services per week, listening to hours of sermons on record and cassette weekly, it wasn’t until I read her book that I learned that I have lived an isolated life. Aside from one usher that was decisively chivalrous, I have been surrounded by men who were humble, soft and unassuming. I had no idea that this was a matriarchy. Rarely did I hear a peep about women submitting, or about male headship.
I grew up with seven sisters and a great God fearing mother. My father passed away when I was only 8 yrs old. Little did I realize my masculine deficit until my wife decided that she had had enough of her weak, spineless, unassuming husband. Using her sexual power wasn’t enough, she was going for a lawyer this time. But first, she would kick me out of the beautiful house I built for her, was barred from our four children, and would sleep in the house that I was trying to rent out.
With no real support from my church or any other church for that matter, I took it upon myself to discover manhood. I want to thank Kristin for introducing me to “patriarchy.” Because I certainly didn’t learn about it at church, as she supposes. Perhaps she isolates herself to Amish churches?
Kristin laments that we didn’t elect the pro-abortion feminist, Hillary Clinton, because Trump is a big bully and his pro-life position interferes with a woman’s autonomy. It’s proof, she claims, that men want to control every aspect of the female’s choice over her own body. All because of patriarchy! Patriarchy is the problem, because men want their little babies to live. Yes, she really does say this in her book, read it and weep. What has the Christian university come to?
As she complains about men and their interest in guns, hunting and war, I wonder if she ever considered what abortion statistics show, .4 million lives were lost in WWII, approximately 250 million babies lost their lives due to chemically induced abortions since 1973 in the USA. Planned Parenthood reports the number of abortions performed each year in their annual report. Planned Parenthood’s 2005-2006 annual report states that from 1977 through 2005, Planned Parenthood performed 4,068,749 abortions in the USA. Other PP annual reports show they committed 264,943 abortions in 2005, 289,750 in 2006, 305,310 in 2007, 324,008 in 2008, 331,796 in 2009, and 329,445 in 2010. They reported 333,924 in 2011, 327,166 in 2012, 327166 in 2013, 323999 in 2014, 328,348 in 2015, 321,384 in 2016, 332,757 in 2017 and 345,672 in 2018. Again, that’s just for Planned Parenthood. I’m not pro-war but why would a Christian woman advocate abortion on demand? I would bet that she would expect her daughter’s school to ask her permission before giving her Tylenol. Why wouldn’t she expect the same for an abortion pill?
In short, this book is pure feminist propaganda, and I think I’ve demonstrated that she’s a hypocrite who knows little about the American church.
I’m sorry that that happened to you, Jim. Wow: It sounds like your former wife employed the tactics that are historically associated with the patriarchy - emotional and logistical domination that is non-consensual, thus not agreed upon. Anyone who takes power over anyone else, namely in an aggressive way, is not acting from a place of love, but rather from an abuse of power - regardless of their gender identification. I can sense the pain in your post, if I may say, and pray that your heart will heal. It sounds like what happened to you, in your marriage, was not okay. The whole point is, we should all respect and care for one another. God bless you~
@@brialapoint2608 Christianity is not my bone of contention, it is her naivety. Go read Tom Holland's work on why, even though he is an atheist, attributes the rise of dignity based society to Christianity. Furthermore, bverge
Amen. This woman is a fake Christian.
It's a little weird to me that you would roll in here, write a detailed, bitter comment about your divorce, then get mad that De Mez' book doesn't satisfactorily address your situation. This is not really a book about your personal problems, dude.
I have no idea what went wrong with your marriage or your divorce, but, with respect, it has no logical connection with the history of american evangelical's vision of masculinity, or this interview. Except, I guess, if I am reading you correctly, you expected your church to intervene in your divorce and support you. You seem to think your personal experience contradicts De Mez's argument, or, confusingly, that De Mez' feminist beliefs have traction within the evangelical movement.
@@wolfumz I am wondering why you think the Bible endorses feminism or divorce?
Do we have to refer to toxic/militant forms of Christianity as "muscular"? It's a bit demotivating as I'm listening to this in my home gym, trying to work off all the weight I've gained during this holiday quarantine...
It’s masculinity rather than muscular. And it’s the toxic kind of masculinity that they were discussing.
By the way am also in the gym trying to shed the extra weight. 😃 Hope you achieved your goals
LOL!
I hear a significant tongue and cheek...😅
Who protects this woman? Muscular police officers who happen to be male.
I appreciate these thoughts. So glad this book is out. But Calvinism in itself - holds the religious ideology of “The Elect”, which I find painfully ironic given the content presented here.
Calvin University ceased being Calvinist around 1924.
I'm a big fan of Jesus and John Wayne.
I became an activist after university because of my awful experiences at a Christian school. But I did not question either the teachers or the students who offended me with racial nor discriminatory comments. I question their faith and how it always avoids difficult subjects like slavery or years of genocide to take over the land of natives. The problem is not how the Christian masculinity has evolved to what it is. The problem is the protestant ideology been forced to others from the arrival of the first eligals in the continent. Culture and religion takes thousands of years to develop. The oldest protestant ideology is no even 840 years old. What made them think that raping, slaving and force them to belive in them was the best way to abandon their thousands of years of culture and knowledge from their roots?
I became an activist because of hypocrites like this woman.
'Onward Christian soldiers. Marching as to war.'
Bingo. She completely ignores the history of Western Civilization. She also answers her fundamental question "How did Trump win?" completely wrong.
Anyone else think it's bizarre to talk about christianity as if it had moral values? I guess if you think taking a stand against democracy and rule of law is a moral value...
Christianity isn't a religion it is a ideology that stipulates that God is white and if you want to meet white God you have to accept white people's behavior without apologies or recompense.
Steven, NICE!
@@greywolf1977
Nice!!
@@greywolf1977 you're insane, Christianity has nothing to do with the color of your skin.
Most quoted Old Testament verse in the New Testament: Psalm 110:1 “The LORD says to my Lord: ‘Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.’”
God has enemies & he will triumph over them in sweeping fashion. I 100% agree that the church has adopted a counterfeit version of masculinity. But to use that as an argument to say that men & women shouldn’t seek to be agents of Jesus’ victory in our world seems to be out of step with what God is up to in our world. Jesus both loves his enemies and defeats his enemies-He doesn’t need us to figure out or advise him on how to do that. We repent for missing the mark, open his Word & obey the spirit’s marching orders from there.
Brilliant Thank you!
Psalms 144:1
“(A Psalm of David.) Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:”
King James Version (KJV)
Is there not an element of manifest destiny imbedded in this concept
Yes.
Religious people want power here not in a after life.
I just have a couple questions. How many genders are there? And also, is homosexuality a sin in the Bible?
Liberals don't believe the Bible speaks of homosexuality, because the word isn't even used in the Bible. What they don't understand, is that, the Bible spans about 4,000 years, and that the words we use today, were not used back when the Bible was written.
Starts at about 7:10
Would love to see this conversation up dated after jan 5 coup attempt to the supreme courts reversal of Roe/Dobbs.
William Wallace was a real person, so waa General Patton. Not mythical. General Schwarzkopf was also a real person too.
but they have been mythologized.
So has Martin Luther King Jr.and Malcom X.
@@johntobey1558 🤦🏻♂️
She means that theyre spoken of in exaggerated ways about their skills, trying to paint them as something greater than who they were.
@@PhoenixProdLLC might you be trying to describe them as less then they are? When people do that with the author they are accused of being misogynist.
ask the question is there there is only one answer then we can question why
Is it just me, or does she sound condescending when she talks about J.Eldridge?
Can we all agree that testosterone replacement therapy has gotten out of hand? The medical community prescribes injections to overcome impacts of the Standard American Diet, but according to Dr. Robert Sapolsky, testosterone reinforces the "us and them" dichotomy, resulting in justification of division.
Interesting!
@@greglogan7706 I additionally believe the "range" on serum testosterone levels should serve as an indicator of success only secondary to behavior. If labs are within range, but you are punching holes in your sheetrock at home, the dose needs to be adjusted accordingly.
Testosterone is the will of God, as is estrogen. Search yourself why you don't want to be different. It is a pathology. You would be less than dead or born had not it been for Testosterone.
Why do lesbians try to be masculine? Just curious to each his own. God Bless John Wayne.Best actor ever. True American. They show John Wayne movies in Marine Corps boot camp.
The god,guns, guts and glory crowd need to read the book/ watch the video
You forget - real man - real patriots - don't care about all this sissified stuff....😖
I did watch it. Load of crap in here
@@michaelnavarro3432
Poor little Snowflake
I bet you’re one of the group currently cheering on WW3. Such a good Christian you must be. 🙄
@@greglogan7706 Real men don't read, right? 😏
The more questions she answered the more she betrayed her bias. She makes several good points about how current “Christian” masculinity does not jive with scripture, etc. But I suspect that her research suffers from the same problem that plagues all research in the social sciences. Namely that the researchers usually always find the evidence to support their thesis. History is very squishy; it’s not difficult to interpret it according to your bias.
there's a section in the book where she shows how fear played this important role in the rise of Evangelicalism, and how Evangelical leaders stoked the flames of fear in their congregations. While they did this, it had the effect of solidifying their personal power. We can't know if, for the leaders, this was an intentional or conscious strategy to grow their power and influence... but I don't think it's particularly biased to observe that this happened.
De Mez's book documents occasions when evangelical leaders were responding to threats that did not actually exist. We know the threats did not exist because we have hindsight. Evangelical radio pastors and national leaders claimed the white race was ending, Americans would have their homes seized by secret communists in the government, the bible would be made illegal, etc.
They spread these fears to their congregations. They made it seem as though christians and Americans were facing an imminent existential threat. These fears were used to justify a lot. In reality, though, the evangelical church was never genuinely under any real threat from anyone, much less to the point its survival was at stake. Their fears were totally unfounded.
This point about fear is connected to the movement's history of sexual abuse. It is ironic that a movement which is so preoccupied with women's sexual behavior and purity (say, when it comes to divorce), in reality, ended up passionately defending the rape and sexual assault of their congregants. The evangelical church, like the catholic church, has a shameful history of protecting perpetrators, lying to cover it up "for the mission," and destroying victims. The Catholic church has attempted to make amends, but the evangelican movement still seems unrepentant (at least IMO).
The sexual abuse stuff is just one example of the dangers of this overreaction, this state of being locked into a life or death battle with a phantom. "The mission" can be used to justify anything, even if 'the mission' is totally unmerited.
Fortunately here in the UK evangelical christianity is not a cultural norm. However, the Far Right has found other ways to whip up support.
Just a note for masculinity
as a reference (KJV ) numbers 25 read the chapter pay close attention to the verses 7-13 ,Phinehas the grand son of Aaron the priest saves the children of Israel .
And in Roman’s 12:9 the word ( abhor that which is evil and cleave to that which is good)
Also a example verses of masculinity Rom12:1-21. These applied then and today!! The difference is that the law of the land doesn’t not allow anyone to run persons through .Titus 3:1-6 Titus 3:1 Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work.All examples of masculinity .
Definition of masculinity =qualities or attributes regarded as characteristic of men( just sayin) 🙂
Cry more.
I absolutely think it's time to re-evaluate culture, but I would tend to suggest a different vision for that re-construction. Why reconstruct christianity? It has a long stories history, and not much of it is good. Most of it is grizzly to say the least and frankly, I don't think it can be any other way. Why not create a more secular nation that lives up to the higher moral standards of secularism and strive to make those values even better? It seems to me that continuing christianity is unnecessary, makes good moral values more difficult and less likely to prevail. Consider, just as one issue of many, how do you make a christian? Generally, people become a christian before they can question what they are being told. The very reliance on reaching people before they can question what you're telling them is not a great tradition. Combine with that the use of fear as a a weapon against the mind of a child and it becomes very grizzly business indeed which it is doubtful christianity can survive without engaging in. I think deconstruction and reconstruction is right, but I don't think we should bother including christianity in the reconstruction.
Actually the United States of America is supposed to be a completely secular country ("We the people...").
The effort to "Christianize" America is totally Anti-Christ at every level in contrary to the fundamental teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ!!
It is cowardly to not answer legitimate questions.
Holy war ?
Interesting interview I read Jesus and John Wayne. It is a super polemical book. All white evangelicals are stereotyped into one racist, patriarchal, and militaristic. A more nuanced book could have done much good. Unfortunately, this book had an agenda and seemed to force a one basic bad agenda on all white evangelicals It does not take long to see that how the agenda was created. The author has admitted that alternative models of evangelical masculinity were removed from the book by her or her editors. Her definition of patriarchy includes any form of complenmentarianism. She has defined patriarchy as any system in which males have leadership over females. What I mean is any view that would limit church elders to men or teach that a male is the spiritual head of the family is patriarchy because makes have leadership over females. Thus I cannot see how she cannot say a soft complementarian is does not believe in patriarchy since they hold to some form of male only leadership even if it is in a very self sacrificing and nuanced way. Thus all complentarians are lumped in the patriarchy basket with those that believe that women should not work or hold public office etc. She compares in this video Egalitarian vs. patriarchy. It seems abundantly clear those are the only two models or views as far as she is concerned. That is important since it helps blend radically different views of patriarchy and complementarianism into one story. It confuses things so one story can be told. No nuance.
She can have her own views. That is fine but I think it is important to realize that the text puts widely different views on women, politics, military intervention, and racial views into one camp I see it as a newer (20th century) form of history in which a subject story becomes primary. You find it also in the 1619 project that forces a slavery narrative over the founding of the US. Its history has been criticized by many early American historical scholars for trying to fit a slavery narrative into the founding of the US as otive even when it makes little to no sense. There are many books out here that are highly polemical from liberals and conservatives. They can be interesting and fun but one has to really be careful that one is not just being sold a narrative instead of history.
You can't write nuance when there is none. This isn't a work or fiction, but non fiction and so one goes where the facts fucking lead wether YOU looks it or not.
@@PhoenixProdLLC If it were all that simple. But it is not. History and facts have to be interpreted and that is where often there are major disagreements. what is in the minds of the people saying or doing what they did? Do you know or not? when one uses an outside interpretive grid such as radical feminism to interpret history then the truth can be radically distorted. it is hard enough to figure out what are the true facts themselves. Does children signing "I am in Lord's Army" really support militarism in Christianity or not? What is the meaning behind the song? See how history is not as simple and so easily distorted by a historian with a particular interpretive bent? Just the fact that the author calls all people who are not egalitarian as patriarchal is very telling. She is not being objective.
Thanks for writing the book and bringing light to a reality that God is very aware of and needs to be transformed. A purpose exists for what has happened keeping all of the Christian community in prayers.
The evangelical community needs really just focus on the evangelical community and stop worrying about what other people are doing with their crotches...(which is rea perverted)....😖
Not with the influence of this deceitful book uuugh!!! This feminist is such a clown
Has she ever read the Bible??
Explains a lot of apostasy in the CRC doesn’t it. The funny part is these things have a way of regulating themselves. This current group of MTD theologians are trying to virtue signal to people that hate them for their beliefs. And always will. This is the theological equivalent of pulling the TV down on your head.
Whenever we point out the obvious deviations from doctrine they just pull the “Shhhh shhhhh shhhh just let this happen” card.
It’s clearly evident she has not, may God have mercy on her bitter soul.
@@massunger1 Yes. There are many holy war battles in the Old Testament, including David's three mightiest warriors and their feats of bravery in battle.
@@massunger1 Psalms 144:1
“(A Psalm of David.) Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:”
King James Version (KJV)
Why don’t you write about your generations masculinity? Have your men lost it?
I guess they had Better snuff out any remaining masculinity. Lol. Then complain about where all the good men have gone.
*Profane chatter.*
SO WHITE JESUS (GOD) IS COMMING BACK TO SAVE COMRADE BLACK AS- OR NOT ?
Jesus wasn’t white. Even whites accept this. He comes back to save all who believe. Regardless of skin color.
I’m not sure this woman watched one John Wayne movie all the way through. In most cases he is a reluctant warrior exemplifying slow to anger. And I’ve never heard John Wayne ever brought up in a sermon small group or hey men’s retreat or any church events. No Republican ever owned a slave
The title is a reference to the song 'Jesus and John Wayne' by the Gaither Vocal group. The song is about being raised with a nurturing empathetic mother and a domineering father. The book examines how those different qualities became entrenched in the identities of Christian men and women. Quick summary: Christian fear response to godless communism, the questioning og America's moral righteousness following the Vietnam quagmire, the women's rights act, civil rights act, all triggered evangelicals who concluded that it was all due to the erosion of traditional gender roles creating a generation of "weak" men. The solution was promoting an image of the Christian man as a dominating warrior who is always fighting God's/America's enemies.
@@rayraygoreng6264 No, actually the idea of a warrior who fears the LORD can be traced to the codes of chivalry, that when followed were a beautiful thing. Or, if you want to take it a step even farther back, "Put on the full armor of God..."
She lost me when she said Islamophobia...that ain't real.
This book is horrible and lies
Dobson and Piper are the problem? 😂
What is the gospel? With social action the community can be saved? Or with heart transformation an individual is saved? Do you agree with the heretic Tony Campolo that Christians should only be red letter? Is Tony hinting that Red letter Christians should have a communist leaning?
WTH???
What is with all the silly juvenile BS?.
@Greg Logan I’m calling out liberation theology and the social gospel and the Marxism that is plaguing America and the church in America. Leftists have often fallen for the brainwashing of communists and embraced the propaganda of Russia and attacked American standing against the Marxist revolutions of the past 50 years.
This lady is enamored by Hillary, who wrote her thesis on a Marxist revolutionary book “Rules for Radicals” and it was dedicated to Satan.
Sure, I must be the one who is misguided. 🤔
@@erics7570 missed the point by a mile ,Friend. 😔
@@arkangel7819 than how about you take time to clarify your point or do you realize your point is off target?
@@greglogan7706 Let’s go Brandon! Why don’t you engage your brain instead of acting like your brain is fried by too much thinking? If you can’t engage your head, don’t engage your mouth.
Donald Trump is anything but tough! 😆
littered with all the buzzwords and jargon of a cable news pundit. Interesting how the 'research' data or methodology is not explained, mentioned or addressed. Hmmm. Must be nice to do research as a humanities major.
When a person says 'This behavior is linked to (insert mysandry here)' that is a sure sign there is no causal link, or no proof based on the scientific method.'
The hatred for men she has I'm sure has not guided her irrational conclusions.
She has ABSOLUTELY no clue why Trump's popularity after the Access Hollywood tape was released. I doubt she actually interviewed the appropriate number of Trump voters to speak with any authority on the subject.
This is racism. Pure and simple. Calvin University is providing a platform to racism. “How X skin color, x religion, corrupted a faith and fractured a nation”
This isn't racism! 😆
@@tangerinefizz11 you don't say....then create the same video substituting the word "white" with "black" and see how your logic lands on people. You're brainwashed.
Whether you like it or not, the phenomenon she's describing is almost entirely the doing of white males. That's not racism. That's just fact.
@@tangerinefizz11 oh how original. Yet another privileged white female criticizing white males for our nations problems 🙄
The Vietnam War was discussed. Here’s a little blurb about how Obama’s friends fought back. Obama started his political career in the family home of domestic terrorist Bill Ayers. Bill’s wife , “Dohrn and 27 other weatherman members travel to Yugoslavia and hungry in 1968 to meet with representatives of the Vietcong and to discuss how further student unrest in the US might assist with the North Vietnamese and Viet Kong. She also maintained close relationships with members of the Cuban UN mission in New York. She made several trips to Cuba, where, according to the FBI reports, she met with Cuban and Vietnamese intelligence officers to plan strategies to frustrate American efforts in Vietnam. According to an FBI agent who followed her activities, in the late 1960s door and lived in the San Francisco home of Chinese communist agent...”
In There Own Words by Terry Turchie
I could have done without your "little blurb" Any "little blurb" with the name of Donald Trump in it?
@@dorisaffissio1649 are you Obama?
@@johnlove2954 No actually I am a pretty old woman, born in West Germane during the last big war. I am very grateful to he Marshal Plan to keep us alive, and I love President Obama, because he is everything I admire about America.
@@dorisaffissio1649 You love that he was mentored by a card carrying communist. Were you from the communist side of Germany like Merkel? I guess you like that he had John Brennan heading up the CIA, who voted for President candidate Communist Gus Hall. You maybe like that Obama had James Comey head up the FBI, who said, “I used to be a communist, I don’t know what I am now.”
@@dorisaffissio1649 Are you referring to Donald Trump, who was the 45th president of the United States? The man who was both outspoken and pushed hard to reduce and inhibit the mass murder of babies in America. The man who actually built much of the wall along the southern border. The same wall that Obama talked about, the same wall that Slick Willy talked about as well as both establishment Bushes. Trump, who didn’t start any wars, compared to Obama’s 6 wars. But perhaps you are a warmonger and enjoy that sort of thing. Perhaps you may have hated Trump for his unleashing America’s oil industry to produce more oil than Saudi Arabia. You perhaps like that gas prices are at a record high.
Read The Bhagavad-Gītā As It Is, only with KRSNA can we have eternal life, Hare KRSNA.
Perfect book for brain washing people.