57 year old Black wommen here and was a huge grunge fan back in the 1980s and 1990s. I saw Nirvana, Pearl Jam, etc in concert and have all grunge CDs. This is so exciting to here a black woman was a pioneer of grunge -- don't surprise me though.
Almost the opposite of what happened to, say, Poly Styrene. She was so popular and talented that the British punk scene ate her alive. It's heartbreaking, as a vocalist of color and the same age group as you, Sis. As usual Black folx are either totally invisible or HYPERvisible.
This story reminds me of how Woodstock was the “festival of all festivals” in 1969, and yet the Summer of Soul festival, also in NY that Summer, was only just made known worldwide. I am thankful for these stories, but so saddened that these stories were never told broadly in their time.
It's sad... really sad that such a talented singer who fronted a pioneering band went unnoticed. People have talked about all the superstars of grunge and even the smaller bands who have been underrated or overlooked but Bam Bam not even got a mention anywhere in the popular music press or media. That is a shame and a tragedy. Despite being a hardcore music fan, I came to know of Tina Bell and Bam Bam just today. Her voice was brilliant- unlike anything I have heard in grunge music coming out of Seattle.
She was one member of One band that was around at the beginning of the grunge scene. It's great that she's been discovered retroactively, but that doesn't mean she invented grunge.
Tina Bell died in her Las Vegas apartment of cirrhosis of the liver at age 55 on October 10, 2012. She had struggled with alcohol and depression. Her son TJ Martin said the coroner estimated her time of death as a couple weeks before her body was found. When Martin arrived at his mother's apartment in Las Vegas, all of her belongings - except for a DVD player, a poster, and a chair - had been thrown away. All of her writings such as lyrics, poems, diaries, along with Bam Bam music, videos, and other memorabilia went in the trash without her family even being notified.
Now she's dead so they can make the money off her talent and not enrich her with it at the same time. Sad. It looks like her band appreciated her though.
Thank you Fallen Beforefiona. You're quite right that the band not only appreciated Tina Bell; we absolutely adored her (still do)! I Hope it eases your frustration a bit to know that the "they" who are now in control of Tina Bell's & Bam Bam's music legacy are TJ Martin & me. TJ Martin is her & Bam Bam guitarist Tommy Martin's son and I'm the sole surviving founding member of Bam Bam. I'm also cowriter & publisher of all Tina Bell & Bam Bam music, I was Tina's manager/caregiver in her final years and best of all, her life long friend. ..(that's me in this CBS piece sitting beside Matt Cameron, sharing our memories of Tina).. Trust me; TJ and I are FIERCLY protective of her. Both of us are 1st hand witnesses to many of her life's trials and triumphs and are determined to never give up on her. We know the real story and want it told as honestly and in as much detail as possible. Naturally we can't enrich her life now, but we can make damn sure she's never forgotten and receives her long overdue accolades that she earned in life. I'd like to add a HUGE bow of thanks to Bam Bam 1st drummer Matt Cameron for his continuous efforts in helping to secure Tina Bell & Bam Bam's proper place in music history. (and no, he ain't making anything off of this; it's all from the heart and his love for Tina Bell and the music we made together). For more info, Tina Bell's and Bam Bam's official websites are at buttocksproductions.com/home
@@scottledgerwood4051 I heard Ground Zero on NPR not an hour ago and looked up the song on yt... And now I'm here. I'm Happy you still have control of the music and I'm glad she's getting recognition now.
Wow, Scott Ledgerwood! So glad to hear that she was both loved AND protected from the negative aspects of the scene etc. I was a young punk at that time, in the Boston scene. The music I am making currently is so informed by neo-soul and the spoken word scene -- but when I listen to Black punk like you guys and Skunk Anansie, Bad Brains, I just feel like I missed the moment to be part of that. Kudos to you for all you do and did.
Too little too late. If the music industry & the grunge movement really cared they would have given this band this respect & admiration when she was ALIVE. Now that she's gone "oo we really care"
That's truly ridiculous. Every time something like this comes up, people start with the hate and the racism. Now you're going to say that everybody in the grunge seen was racist because this woman didn't get recognition? Make it make f****** sense.
@@matthewatwood8641”every time something like this happens” What exactly were you talking about? What is that something? The racism? Do you deny there was racism and exclusion in this genre and industry? You’ve seen racism. Sexism. Bigotry. And let me guess 🤔 You did nothing but make stupid comments on TH-cam.
Don't forget Yvonne (i hope i wrote the name right) from JINGO DE LUNCH, Afro American singer in a German punk/metal band. They had some success in the 80s. I had first 3 LPs, really like them
One black girl had a band that didn't go very far, and now you're taking credit for a whole genre of music. I suppose you think all the white men who played grunge stole everything from her.
I'm 50+ & *VERY Pro-Black.* I listen to almost every American Genre of Music. _Jazz, Soul, R&B, FUNK, Rap/HipHop & the MOST Versatile Musician who ever lived in My/Our Lifetime ~ _*_Prince_* are/is My most favorites. I always had _(still do)_ an appreciation for *Rock Music **_- Hard, Metal/Death Metal, Alternative, Acid GRUNGE, etc._* I NEVER hid that from anyone, I didn't care who looked at Me all crazy perplexed & making negative comments about My love for Rock Music, Family/Friend/Foe. They Forgot *_Our People_* are the ones who *STARTED* Rock Music going back to the *GodMother* of it all *_~ Sister Rosetta Tharpe,_* also _Chuck Berry, Jimi Hendrix, Parliament/Funkadelic, Prince, Ohio Players (even they did Rock),_ etc. While I was a very little girl _(early 1970s),_ I saw a video of *_Jimi Hendrix_* playing the Guitar with his teeth I was so amazed & sold on Rock Music after seeing him. I didn't know who he was then and I don't recall ever paying attention to any Rock Music prior to *_Hendrix_* during My very young Childhood. My Father & Uncle played Guitars, only once in awhile, they was always working hard at other things. When they played Guitars, they done a lot of distortion sounds many Guitarists do. Perhaps they should've started a *_FUNK-Rock_* band in the 1960s/70s if they were serious Musicians.
@@nicolevendetti4722 she basically said it. The Black community as a general consensus is typically not very accepting of us being interested in musical art forms that are performed/dominated by other races. when it’s the inverse, it’s heavily embraced and “cool”. I never hid my interests but I couldn’t even listen to golden era hip hop without being teased by peers
I listen to all music, metal, rock, easy listening, hip hop, soca, reggae, and etc Music transcends race, culture, ethnicity. I wish people would stop putting each other in a box and let people SHINE in their uniqueness RIP Tina Bell, I hope you are witnessing this overdue honor from on high.
How is giving a person recognition putting people in a box? How is recognizing people culture contributions wrong? You're ideology is the he reason why so many blk people got left out of being ae to make money from the cultures they helped create
@@christinagraham2915 What she means is back then people catalogue race in each of those genres. For example, if a person was white, it was country, metal, and punk even grunge but if that person was black, it had to be rap, r&b, and reggae. That was the issue with the music scene in those days and sometime it happens even today. I remembered back in the early 2000's, I had friends that was mostly black and I'm part black myself. All my friends was listening to rap or r&b music. I listened to Jimi Hendrix, Van Halen, and including current pop punk bands from that time period. One of my friends asked me, "why you're listening to white people music?" I told him "certain music is not for one race but it's for everybody". I'm glad in this day and age, people finally to open up what they love.
She didnt create Grunge. Lets not jump to conclusions. She was a punk rocker who influenced the Grunge movement. Punk rock was a major influencer to grunge. There were a lot of Seattle bands that never got the recognition they deserved. This beautiful rocker unfortunately was one of them
@@nicolevendetti4722Right. The Melvins and Flipper were more of an influence than this, if it even was at all. She was great and talented though. Good punk stuff but not grunge, Those two eras just overlapped a bit, which is really the only connection here. I see no need to create this false narrative around her. She created some great 2nd wave punk stuff, not grunge.
No she didn't. I'm so sick of this b*******. She is one member of One band who were pioneers of the grunge scene. She didn't f****** invent it. No one of those bands or artists from that time in Seattle invented grunge. They were all playing the music they loved. That's the point. That's what music is. It brings people together. People like you with this ridiculous nonsense take are trying to divide people. Shut the hell up and listen to the music.
Tina bell deserved all kinds of attention. this band is really good, and way way way too underrated. this band is unique, it should’ve been noticed during the grunge scene. tina should always be remembered.
Death did not invent punk rock. This is the most idiotic take every time somebody discovers a band or an artist who was black who never got the recognition they deserved, saying that they invented whatever genre they were playing in. It's really disrespectful to them. Celebrate them for the music they made. Stop weaponizing these artists.
@@James-lu4hb You're trying to invent false history that never happened. Death was great. They never got discovered, & had zero impact on punk rock. They made some great music, which is getting the exposure & recognition it deserves now.
Was a teen when Grunge exploded. I was 15 at a HS party when Nirvanas “ In bloom”was playing. The whole room fell silent. We were all bobbing our heads and feet to the music. At the end of the song. Someone jumped on a table and yelled. “ It’s the next Elvis!” It was magical to say the least. Every car in the HS parking lot was playing AIC or Soundgarden or Nirvana. Most people did not care about color when it came to grunge bands. Sure they were pretty much white with band members of color. This lady to me does not sound like grunge. A lot of 80s grunge. Did not make it. The music just sounds different to me. Just my opinion. I hated the hair bands in the late 80s when I was in Junior high. Us younger Gen X hated the message. We were latch key kids who’s parents never spent time with us. All they cared about was work. I worked a job at the grocery store all year long at 15. At night I would listen to grunge and terrorize the suburbs. 😂. I live in Oregon now. Every fall/ winter. I go to Seattle and play nothing but 90s grunge during the whole trip.
Heaven forbid if you’re a minority and you created something White folks liked back in the day. They would take it away from you. Who was given credit for the pioneering Rock and Roll for the longest? It’s getting better nowadays so that’s good.
Nobody stole Tina bells music. She didn't invent grunge, and Bam Bam wasn't even a grunge band. They were a second wave punk band that was one of the bands that inspired grunge.
Between Tina and Joan Jett yep the real big sisters but remember we still have minnie riporton ! She was the heavy hitter and the mom figure of them all but I will look even further into this punk was created in delco pa nuff said
No WONDER i love grunge metal so much!! i really believe she started that sound. It is said that people with more melanin have raspy voices. Im one of those one raspy voices.
She didn't start the sound. She was one person in a band that was one of the bands that inspired it. Why can't you just celebrate her for what she did do instead of trying to weaponize her?
Just found out about this great singer I would love to hear some of her music but here is another video that failed to produce her music I am truly disappointed
It doesn't matter, people are going to insist on weaponizing her and politicizing the music and run around saying that she invented grunge and then the evil white man stole it away and took credit.
American music is birthed from the Black American experience, and we get erased every time. Especially the Black women pioneers. There would BE no rock without a Black woman creating that sound and it is synonymous with White men. How ironic is this?! Black women created rock and a Black woman created the grunge sound yet, because she is Black and female, she is an anamoly and not accepted. American racism and sexism at its best! Good LORD!
The God Mother of Rock - *_Sister Rosetta Tharpe_* another Pioneer Progenitor who also gets almost no recognition. She was able to do distortions on Electric Guitars BEFORE the *_Whammy Pedals & Stomp Boxes_* were invented.
That's completely incorrect. American music is the combination of influences from all the different cultures that came here and became part of American society and culture. Blues, jazz, rock and roll, hip hop never would have happened in Africa.
@@MemoGrafixShe was incredible. I've never been aware of any guitar player before her who had that sound that later evolved into Chuck Berry and Elvis and the like.
She didn't make grunge music before anyone else. Nobody creates a genre of music all by themselves. To begin with, she had a f****** band. She wasn't making music by herself. Further, they were a punk band, not a grunge band. They were one of the bands that inspired grunge. Stop politicizing music and weaponizing these artists. That's definitely not what Tina Bell was trying to accomplish. She was a musician who wanted to make music that made people happy and brought them together. You are trying to divide.
@@matthewatwood8641 She INVENTED grunge. You do realize that Nirvana founder Kurt Cobain once served as a roadie for Tina's band and was also a fan. She wrote Curt Cobain's paychecks
@@koreyp2845 I typed a comment here, and it disappeared. So what? Nirvana doesn't sound anything like Bam Bam. Bam Bam was one band who influenced the beginnings of Grunge. It was a whole band, by the way, not just this one woman. No one person ever invents a single genre of music. Genres emerge organically because musicians in a given area at a certain time tend to share a lot of the same influences. You'll get no argument from me that black musicians have made major contributions to American music and that they were unfairly ignored and discounted for a long time. That doesn't mean that black musicians and black musicians only invented all forms of American music. Musicians from many different cultures have been passing music back and forth and influencing each other in America for centuries.
@@matthewatwood8641 Tina Bell created the sound in that band lol 🤣. They INVENTED the sound. Nirvana got the game from them. Who cares if they don't sound anything like them and that right there is not true. They use many elements just like Bam Bam. Lol You're just hurt a black woman created your favorite music genre. Rock and roll in itself was created out of the black American community. Lol. When rock and roll was created white people hated it lol This attempt to try and share credit now is some of the most ridiculous things I've seen in my is ridiculous. 20 years ago white people had no issues admitting that they got the sound from black people. Lol. If Kurt Cobain didn't get anything from Tina Bell then he wouldn't have worked for her for so many years before he started his own. He was picking up the game and the sound from them. You're just spewing pure mayo babble
The white journalist staying true to white racist views....implying by means of his question regarding her impact/whether she pioneered grunge / that there's no way a black woman could have done such a thing. Well white racist people ..just know there isn't very many genre's of music in this country if any that wasn't pioneered by blacks...live with it!
They didn't even play grunge. They were a punk band that was one of - not the only one - one of many bands that inspired grunge. Absolutely she deserves credit for her contribution, (& so does her band, btw), & I am 100% with saying that it is really stupid and tragic that she didn't get more recognition while she was still alive, but she didn't invent grunge.
@@StephanieFrancisI'm not so sure. I think she and her band are great, but it's definitely true that a lot of the original grunge bands didn't get recognized, & Bam Bam was not a grunge band. There are lots of musicians from lots of different backgrounds who never got the recognition they deserved. I live right outside philadelphia. There is an always has been a tremendous music scene here. There's lots of buskers that I know personally who are absolutely amazing who will probably never even get so much as a recording contract, let alone Fame and wealth or any of that. They are black, white, hispanic, Asian, et al.
Trying to create history that doesn't exist. She was in an early grunge band. They weren't the leaders, just part of the Seattle scene. They likely would have been huge if Bell hadn't left the band & music in 1990 about a year before grunge exploded.
@@ctjiujitsu12 This is like the movie "Hidden Figures," which claims one black woman invented space travel and thousands of white engineers stole it from her. I fail to see how one black punk singer invented grunge. I doubt most Seattle bands would have listed them among their top influences. For example, Kurt Cobain went out of his way to promote every obscure band he was influenced by, yet he never mentioned Bam Bam. Fake news.
Every crap band that never went anywhere in the early 80's sounded like this. It's only on boobtube where she'd be imagined as anything more than unremarkable. CBS Mornings is always promoting the preposterous.
What the f*** exactly does that have to do with this? You do understand that the fact of DNA and how genetics works means that there really is no such thing as races, right? Nobody that you know is 100% black or white. Gene pools shift and change all the time as people move around and intermarry.
57 year old Black wommen here and was a huge grunge fan back in the 1980s and 1990s. I saw Nirvana, Pearl Jam, etc in concert and have all grunge CDs. This is so exciting to here a black woman was a pioneer of grunge -- don't surprise me though.
A black man was the pioneer of elvis as well. Literally from his style to how he sing. The guy even wrote some songs for elvis
His name was Otis blackwell
Almost the opposite of what happened to, say, Poly Styrene. She was so popular and talented that the British punk scene ate her alive. It's heartbreaking, as a vocalist of color and the same age group as you, Sis. As usual Black folx are either totally invisible or HYPERvisible.
I just want to hear her music this is the second video I have watched that has failed to play her music so sad
Ditto🤘
This story reminds me of how Woodstock was the “festival of all festivals” in 1969, and yet the Summer of Soul festival, also in NY that Summer, was only just made known worldwide. I am thankful for these stories, but so saddened that these stories were never told broadly in their time.
Absolutely, I saw Summer of Soul festival for the first time on Netflix last month and was blown away
Nobody talks about it.
It's sad... really sad that such a talented singer who fronted a pioneering band went unnoticed. People have talked about all the superstars of grunge and even the smaller bands who have been underrated or overlooked but Bam Bam not even got a mention anywhere in the popular music press or media. That is a shame and a tragedy. Despite being a hardcore music fan, I came to know of Tina Bell and Bam Bam just today. Her voice was brilliant- unlike anything I have heard in grunge music coming out of Seattle.
Brought tears to my eyes. I hate she didn’t get the credit she deserves. THE FOUNDATIONAL BLACK AMERICAN IS THE BACKBONE OF AMERICA!!!
She was one member of One band that was around at the beginning of the grunge scene. It's great that she's been discovered retroactively, but that doesn't mean she invented grunge.
Her son is a splitting image of her! What a gem…
Much deserved recognition! Ms. Tina Bell lives on!😇🙏🏽💪🏽💕😍
Tina Bell died in her Las Vegas apartment of cirrhosis of the liver at age 55 on October 10, 2012. She had struggled with alcohol and depression. Her son TJ Martin said the coroner estimated her time of death as a couple weeks before her body was found. When Martin arrived at his mother's apartment in Las Vegas, all of her belongings - except for a DVD player, a poster, and a chair - had been thrown away. All of her writings such as lyrics, poems, diaries, along with Bam Bam music, videos, and other memorabilia went in the trash without her family even being notified.
Now she's dead so they can make the money off her talent and not enrich her with it at the same time. Sad.
It looks like her band appreciated her though.
Exactly 🎯
Thank you Fallen Beforefiona. You're quite right that the band not only appreciated Tina Bell; we absolutely adored her (still do)!
I Hope it eases your frustration a bit to know that the "they" who are now in control of Tina Bell's & Bam Bam's music legacy are TJ Martin & me. TJ Martin is her & Bam Bam guitarist Tommy Martin's son and I'm the sole surviving founding member of Bam Bam. I'm also cowriter & publisher of all Tina Bell & Bam Bam music, I was Tina's manager/caregiver in her final years and best of all, her life long friend. ..(that's me in this CBS piece sitting beside Matt Cameron, sharing our memories of Tina)..
Trust me; TJ and I are FIERCLY protective of her. Both of us are 1st hand witnesses to many of her life's trials and triumphs and are determined to never give up on her. We know the real story and want it told as honestly and in as much detail as possible. Naturally we can't enrich her life now, but we can make damn sure she's never forgotten and receives her long overdue accolades that she earned in life.
I'd like to add a HUGE bow of thanks to Bam Bam 1st drummer Matt Cameron for his continuous efforts in helping to secure Tina Bell & Bam Bam's proper place in music history. (and no, he ain't making anything off of this; it's all from the heart and his love for Tina Bell and the music we made together).
For more info, Tina Bell's and Bam Bam's official websites are at buttocksproductions.com/home
@@scottledgerwood4051 I heard Ground Zero on NPR not an hour ago and looked up the song on yt... And now I'm here. I'm Happy you still have control of the music and I'm glad she's getting recognition now.
Wow, Scott Ledgerwood! So glad to hear that she was both loved AND protected from the negative aspects of the scene etc. I was a young punk at that time, in the Boston scene. The music I am making currently is so informed by neo-soul and the spoken word scene -- but when I listen to Black punk like you guys and Skunk Anansie, Bad Brains, I just feel like I missed the moment to be part of that. Kudos to you for all you do and did.
Yup!!
Too little too late. If the music industry & the grunge movement really cared they would have given this band this respect & admiration when she was ALIVE.
Now that she's gone
"oo we really care"
That's truly ridiculous. Every time something like this comes up, people start with the hate and the racism. Now you're going to say that everybody in the grunge seen was racist because this woman didn't get recognition? Make it make f****** sense.
@@matthewatwood8641”every time something like this happens”
What exactly were you talking about? What is that something?
The racism? Do you deny there was racism and exclusion in this genre and industry?
You’ve seen racism. Sexism. Bigotry. And let me guess 🤔 You did nothing but make stupid comments on TH-cam.
She’s gorgeous!!!
Don't forget Yvonne (i hope i wrote the name right) from JINGO DE LUNCH, Afro American singer in a German punk/metal band. They had some success in the 80s. I had first 3 LPs, really like them
Came to the comments to find her name! Loved the few seconds I heard on the clip.
Something else we don't get credit for in history.. then they say "what do yall contribute to society?" Smdh
literally evvvery genre and sub-genre of music
One black girl had a band that didn't go very far, and now you're taking credit for a whole genre of music. I suppose you think all the white men who played grunge stole everything from her.
@@portapotty69 but if she created a genre why not take credit for it
@@korokosso because she didn't create a genre. She didn't invent punk mixed with metal. The grunge sound was influenced by hundreds of bands.
@@portapotty69 how sure r u about that?
I loved this story. Thank you for not forgetting her and for paying her long overdue respect.
Her legacy lives on through her son and other bandmates. She left a legacy and we never even knew it.
I wish I knew about her when I was in grade school in the 90s, I would not hide my love for grunge then because it was “white” music.
Kim Thaiyl isn’t white…Yoro the original bassist of Soundgarden is Asian…
I am a black woman in my late 30s and NEVER hid my love for grunge/alternative rock music.
Why would you hide it?
I'm 50+ & *VERY Pro-Black.* I listen to almost every American Genre of Music. _Jazz, Soul, R&B, FUNK, Rap/HipHop & the MOST Versatile Musician who ever lived in My/Our Lifetime ~ _*_Prince_* are/is My most favorites.
I always had _(still do)_ an appreciation for *Rock Music **_- Hard, Metal/Death Metal, Alternative, Acid GRUNGE, etc._* I NEVER hid that from anyone, I didn't care who looked at Me all crazy perplexed & making negative comments about My love for Rock Music, Family/Friend/Foe. They Forgot *_Our People_* are the ones who *STARTED* Rock Music going back to the *GodMother* of it all *_~ Sister Rosetta Tharpe,_* also _Chuck Berry, Jimi Hendrix, Parliament/Funkadelic, Prince, Ohio Players (even they did Rock),_ etc.
While I was a very little girl _(early 1970s),_ I saw a video of *_Jimi Hendrix_* playing the Guitar with his teeth I was so amazed & sold on Rock Music after seeing him. I didn't know who he was then and I don't recall ever paying attention to any Rock Music prior to *_Hendrix_* during My very young Childhood.
My Father & Uncle played Guitars, only once in awhile, they was always working hard at other things.
When they played Guitars, they done a lot of distortion sounds many Guitarists do.
Perhaps they should've started a *_FUNK-Rock_* band in the 1960s/70s if they were serious Musicians.
@@nicolevendetti4722 she basically said it. The Black community as a general consensus is typically not very accepting of us being interested in musical art forms that are performed/dominated by other races. when it’s the inverse, it’s heavily embraced and “cool”. I never hid my interests but I couldn’t even listen to golden era hip hop without being teased by peers
I listen to all music, metal, rock, easy listening, hip hop, soca, reggae, and etc Music transcends race, culture, ethnicity. I wish people would stop putting each other in a box and let people SHINE in their uniqueness
RIP Tina Bell, I hope you are witnessing this overdue honor from on high.
How is giving a person recognition putting people in a box? How is recognizing people culture contributions wrong? You're ideology is the he reason why so many blk people got left out of being ae to make money from the cultures they helped create
@@christinagraham2915 What she means is back then people catalogue race in each of those genres. For example, if a person was white, it was country, metal, and punk even grunge but if that person was black, it had to be rap, r&b, and reggae. That was the issue with the music scene in those days and sometime it happens even today. I remembered back in the early 2000's, I had friends that was mostly black and I'm part black myself. All my friends was listening to rap or r&b music. I listened to Jimi Hendrix, Van Halen, and including current pop punk bands from that time period. One of my friends asked me, "why you're listening to white people music?" I told him "certain music is not for one race but it's for everybody". I'm glad in this day and age, people finally to open up what they love.
Tina Bell, she CREATED Grunge.
Period! Tina Bell, Queen of Grunge.
She didnt create Grunge. Lets not jump to conclusions. She was a punk rocker who influenced the Grunge movement. Punk rock was a major influencer to grunge. There were a lot of Seattle bands that never got the recognition they deserved. This beautiful rocker unfortunately was one of them
@@nicolevendetti4722Right. The Melvins and Flipper were more of an influence than this, if it even was at all. She was great and talented though. Good punk stuff but not grunge, Those two eras just overlapped a bit, which is really the only connection here. I see no need to create this false narrative around her. She created some great 2nd wave punk stuff, not grunge.
@@tomasom4497 exactly
No she didn't. I'm so sick of this b*******. She is one member of One band who were pioneers of the grunge scene. She didn't f****** invent it. No one of those bands or artists from that time in Seattle invented grunge. They were all playing the music they loved. That's the point. That's what music is. It brings people together. People like you with this ridiculous nonsense take are trying to divide people. Shut the hell up and listen to the music.
Tina Bell & Mia Zapata the Godmother & the Queen!! 🤟🖤🤘
I like grunge and I like her songs.
Tina bell deserved all kinds of attention. this band is really good, and way way way too underrated. this band is unique, it should’ve been noticed during the grunge scene. tina should always be remembered.
I'm glad I got to discover this awesome group it needs to be listen to on a quality sound system please
Tina Bell BAM BAM!!!
Bam Bam!!! Tina!!!!
I remember her
Yayyy Thank you very much CBS
Thank you for doing this story. "Yet do I marvel at this curious thing, to make a poet Black and bid [her] sing." -Countee Cullen
She was so beautiful and powerful
Great vid, do more like this
Thanks for sharing this story
I wish her music was on Apple Music
It is on Spotify
I’ve had their song ”curses in the dark” on youtube for so long. Too bad its LQ
Rock music doesn't discriminate!
Please
Punk Rock was also started by a 3 man black group called Death, their documentary in on youtube.
Death did not invent punk rock. This is the most idiotic take every time somebody discovers a band or an artist who was black who never got the recognition they deserved, saying that they invented whatever genre they were playing in. It's really disrespectful to them. Celebrate them for the music they made. Stop weaponizing these artists.
@@matthewatwood8641 Yes they did stop trying to erase history.
@@James-lu4hb You're trying to invent false history that never happened. Death was great. They never got discovered, & had zero impact on punk rock. They made some great music, which is getting the exposure & recognition it deserves now.
@@matthewatwood8641 🥱 Keep telling yourself that.
@matthewatwood8641 Yeah uh huh Keep telling yourself that bubba.
Well deserved
Literally invented grunge
No she didn't. Her and her band were one of the bands that inspired grunge bands, but they did not invent it.
Was a teen when Grunge exploded. I was 15 at a HS party when Nirvanas “ In bloom”was playing. The whole room fell silent. We were all bobbing our heads and feet to the music. At the end of the song. Someone jumped on a table and yelled. “ It’s the next Elvis!” It was magical to say the least. Every car in the HS parking lot was playing AIC or
Soundgarden or Nirvana. Most people did not care about color when it came to grunge bands. Sure they were pretty much white with band members of color. This lady to me does not sound like grunge. A lot of 80s grunge. Did not make it. The music just sounds different to me. Just my opinion. I hated the hair bands in the late 80s when I was in Junior high. Us younger Gen X hated the message. We were latch key kids who’s parents never spent time with us. All they cared about was work. I worked a job at the grocery store all year long at 15. At night I would listen to grunge and terrorize the suburbs. 😂. I live in Oregon now. Every fall/ winter. I go to Seattle and play nothing but 90s grunge during the whole trip.
Heaven forbid if you’re a minority and you created something White folks liked back in the day. They would take it away from you. Who was given credit for the pioneering Rock and Roll for the longest? It’s getting better nowadays so that’s good.
The legend herself
Word!! Bam Bam!!, Got'Dayum!!
She is my favorite grunge rocker
Bam Bam wasn't a grunge band.
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Wow. I didn't know this until early today
Why even mention nirvana and aic. Umen, green river, melvins, bambam were foundational several years before
Wow, so glad now this cover up is being unfolded….However this story is a disgrace…..once again biters taking credit
Nobody stole Tina bells music. She didn't invent grunge, and Bam Bam wasn't even a grunge band. They were a second wave punk band that was one of the bands that inspired grunge.
Yeah flowers after you Did make a lot of sense
Between Tina and Joan Jett yep the real big sisters but remember we still have minnie riporton ! She was the heavy hitter and the mom figure of them all but I will look even further into this punk was created in delco pa nuff said
People forget Minnie Riperton did more than RnB. Her work with Rotary Connection was amazing
Is it me or does she look like keke Palmer in her stills?
Maybe she could play her if they ever do an indy about Tina Bell. I know that she isn't a rock or punk singer but I know she's done her own music. 👍
@@Muhdah1972 you mean she could play her WHEN a Tina Bell and Bam Bam docy's made!!
@@scottledgerwood4051 Well hopefully that's in the works 🙂🤞
@@Muhdah1972 I’d rather see Zoe Saldana play Tina. She looks more like her, is the better actress & always gave me rock chick vibes.
@@livelife5947 Zoe ruined that opportunity for herself when she put on her prosthetic nose and darkened her skin to play Nina Simone.
❤❤❤❤❤Tina Bell🎉🎉🎉🎉
Amazing story
Not surprised.
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No WONDER i love grunge metal so much!! i really believe she started that sound. It is said that people with more melanin have raspy voices. Im one of those one raspy voices.
She didn't start the sound. She was one person in a band that was one of the bands that inspired it. Why can't you just celebrate her for what she did do instead of trying to weaponize her?
Tina Bell’s Bam Bam had a roadie by the name of Kurt Cobain…🤫
Aw!!!!!
Just found out about this great singer I would love to hear some of her music but here is another video that failed to produce her music I am truly disappointed
Her music isn’t grunge , it’s punk rock
It doesn't matter, people are going to insist on weaponizing her and politicizing the music and run around saying that she invented grunge and then the evil white man stole it away and took credit.
American music is birthed from the Black American experience, and we get erased every time. Especially the Black women pioneers. There would BE no rock without a Black woman creating that sound and it is synonymous with White men. How ironic is this?! Black women created rock and a Black woman created the grunge sound yet, because she is Black and female, she is an anamoly and not accepted. American racism and sexism at its best! Good LORD!
The God Mother of Rock - *_Sister Rosetta Tharpe_* another Pioneer Progenitor who also gets almost no recognition. She was able to do distortions on Electric Guitars BEFORE the *_Whammy Pedals & Stomp Boxes_* were invented.
That's completely incorrect. American music is the combination of influences from all the different cultures that came here and became part of American society and culture. Blues, jazz, rock and roll, hip hop never would have happened in Africa.
@@MemoGrafixShe was incredible. I've never been aware of any guitar player before her who had that sound that later evolved into Chuck Berry and Elvis and the like.
@matthewatwood8641 the largest influence is from Black people
Erased from history… now where have I seen that before 🤔
How come he’s not making a documentary about his brother?
wow!
No disrespect to Tina Bell but I get the vibe that the bassist/guitarist like her a little more than as a band mate/friend 😂
Makes me think of a grittier Blondie or Motels
When you do something before anyone else that means you created it, not influenced it. What a joke!
She didn't make grunge music before anyone else. Nobody creates a genre of music all by themselves. To begin with, she had a f****** band. She wasn't making music by herself. Further, they were a punk band, not a grunge band. They were one of the bands that inspired grunge. Stop politicizing music and weaponizing these artists. That's definitely not what Tina Bell was trying to accomplish. She was a musician who wanted to make music that made people happy and brought them together. You are trying to divide.
Why do I remember her?
Tina Bell Invented gunge ‼️‼️‼️
No she didn't. She didn't even play grunge.
@@matthewatwood8641 She INVENTED grunge. You do realize that Nirvana founder Kurt Cobain once served as a roadie for Tina's band and was also a fan. She wrote Curt Cobain's paychecks
@@koreyp2845 I typed a comment here, and it disappeared.
So what? Nirvana doesn't sound anything like Bam Bam. Bam Bam was one band who influenced the beginnings of Grunge. It was a whole band, by the way, not just this one woman.
No one person ever invents a single genre of music. Genres emerge organically because musicians in a given area at a certain time tend to share a lot of the same influences.
You'll get no argument from me that black musicians have made major contributions to American music and that they were unfairly ignored and discounted for a long time. That doesn't mean that black musicians and black musicians only invented all forms of American music. Musicians from many different cultures have been passing music back and forth and influencing each other in America for centuries.
@@matthewatwood8641 Tina Bell created the sound in that band lol 🤣. They INVENTED the sound. Nirvana got the game from them. Who cares if they don't sound anything like them and that right there is not true. They use many elements just like Bam Bam. Lol You're just hurt a black woman created your favorite music genre. Rock and roll in itself was created out of the black American community. Lol. When rock and roll was created white people hated it lol This attempt to try and share credit now is some of the most ridiculous things I've seen in my is ridiculous. 20 years ago white people had no issues admitting that they got the sound from black people. Lol. If Kurt Cobain didn't get anything from Tina Bell then he wouldn't have worked for her for so many years before he started his own. He was picking up the game and the sound from them. You're just spewing pure mayo babble
@@matthewatwood8641Tina Bell is the mother of Grunge this cannot be denied.
Bell.
See this is why FBA/ADOS need to gatekeep their culture
The white journalist staying true to white racist views....implying by means of his question regarding her impact/whether she pioneered grunge / that there's no way a black woman could have done such a thing. Well white racist people ..just know there isn't very many genre's of music in this country if any that wasn't pioneered by blacks...live with it!
They didn't even play grunge. They were a punk band that was one of - not the only one - one of many bands that inspired grunge. Absolutely she deserves credit for her contribution, (& so does her band, btw), & I am 100% with saying that it is really stupid and tragic that she didn't get more recognition while she was still alive, but she didn't invent grunge.
Almost rock star....
What didn't we do first???
RIPARADISE queen Tina Bell
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Tariq nasheed brought me here
Was it really about race tho? I mean no one knew about any of those bands until Nevermind came out
Yes, it was for sure
Yes it was i hate people like you. You’re worse than the racists. At least they’re honest
@@StephanieFrancisI'm not so sure. I think she and her band are great, but it's definitely true that a lot of the original grunge bands didn't get recognized, & Bam Bam was not a grunge band. There are lots of musicians from lots of different backgrounds who never got the recognition they deserved. I live right outside philadelphia. There is an always has been a tremendous music scene here. There's lots of buskers that I know personally who are absolutely amazing who will probably never even get so much as a recording contract, let alone Fame and wealth or any of that. They are black, white, hispanic, Asian, et al.
Trying to create history that doesn't exist. She was in an early grunge band. They weren't the leaders, just part of the Seattle scene. They likely would have been huge if Bell hadn't left the band & music in 1990 about a year before grunge exploded.
She was still the first even if her and her band didn't make grunge mainstream
@@Butterfly22593 First what?
@@ctjiujitsu12 This is like the movie "Hidden Figures," which claims one black woman invented space travel and thousands of white engineers stole it from her. I fail to see how one black punk singer invented grunge. I doubt most Seattle bands would have listed them among their top influences. For example, Kurt Cobain went out of his way to promote every obscure band he was influenced by, yet he never mentioned Bam Bam. Fake news.
@@ctjiujitsu12 Tina Bell was the first Black woman to sing grunge-goth-punk in the USA back in the 1980s.
@@portapotty69 He was a roadie for this band.
Eww. Get a bar of soap.
maybe clean up that so-called brain of yours
It's common that Heartland types like you don't bathe, that was evident on January 6
You sound like you reek of mayonnaise.
Every crap band that never went anywhere in the early 80's sounded like this. It's only on boobtube where she'd be imagined as anything more than unremarkable. CBS Mornings is always promoting the preposterous.
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY BP THINK PROCREATING WITH WP IS GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING BUT DNA..
What the f*** exactly does that have to do with this?
You do understand that the fact of DNA and how genetics works means that there really is no such thing as races, right? Nobody that you know is 100% black or white. Gene pools shift and change all the time as people move around and intermarry.