Titebond is very much an “anglosphere” product. It is as if nothing else exists. I live in Germany and although you can get Titebond it is very expensive. Many here use Soudal. Professionals and hobbyists alike. Soudal are a huge company specialising in adhesives. I have noticed watching other woodworking videos from around Europe including Ukraine and even Russia that they also use Soudal. Just got another 5 litres of their Pro30D waterproof wood glue. Cost €28. Soudal are in Tamworth. I know that a lot of their stuff is available in the UK through various online “builders merchants” style retailers but appears to be more the the Professional stuff used in building work/interiors/sealants etc
@@WeaponX2007A My main issue with any PU glue is, because I only work with one arm, I’m not quick enough in my working speed and the glue goes off too quick😂
Our son was, initially, a chemist with a major multi-national adhesives company, and is now manager of their Australia QA. As a keen hobbist woodworker I asked him about Titebond's range of PVA's. He advised me that all of their (Titebond) products comply with the relevant categories of the Australin/New Zealand Standards and obviously with other nations standards. There are a variety of requirements depending on the purpose to which the adhesive is to be put. All major PVA manufacturuers can produce the same range. Check the label of the product and if you find a cheaper alternative that complies with the same section of the relevant standard go for it
I love the time and care you put into making these boards…. Thoroughly sanding, rounding over the edges with a router, etc…. Even though they were both destined for the dishwasher!
It is not the cost of glue with me, it is what I will use it for. And no one tells me what glue, tools, etc. to use. I've been around woodworking since I was about 7, and will be 84 in Dec.
It's good to see a stress test like this, so cheers. It's hard to switch to another glue or finish when you know you can trust the one you're using. No one wants to hand over a product that might fail to a customer.
Exactly Chris, I'd end up looking a right pillock and would lose a lot of support if I raved about a product that folk then buy en masse and it turns out to be shocking. Hence the severity of the tests, I was literally astonished with the dishwasher results, I thought the heat would have messed them up quite a bit!
I mention the margin, as a hobbyist that has made maybe 20 or so end grain chopping boards for friends (who loved them) and family (who produce them when I visit with nary a mark on the board). My better half runs a big business that sells lifestyle goods, at astonishing prices, that you can pick up similar goods in Aldi for small money. The way to a big profit margin is “the story behind the product”. Organic glue, etc. A farm. A big struggle against adversity, which is probably how most people think about life. It seems to me that access to the premium market is having a story provenance, and either nice / no packaging, and marketing. Mucho effort. I don’t think you need to compete on the glue price. Your work speaks for itself. Command your own premium.
You make fantastic points here pal and one that I’m trying to improve on. I think I still suffer from the imposter syndrome thing when people buy a board from me because I made it just as much as they wanted a new board 👍
@@Hand-i-Craft Dude, I’ve been working as an ‘expert’ witness for 25 years, and I have imposter syndrome. The syndrome keeps me on my toes. I suggest having a look at the “luxury” candle market for ideas about market sectors that you could perhaps target. Near me, there are several “high end” farm shop enterprises that sell really expensive candles, and really expensive long grain chopping boards, for the sort of money that would get me out of bed in the morning without complaint. You do need the marketing side of things to command the premium. Looking at the stuff that sells in “The Jolly Nice” in Gloucestershire, rustic, reclaimed, sustainable, organic, natural, local is good, it’s a bit like reverse greenwashing - people with money for premium goods will spend it on premium goods, even if the premium is just the packaging or the story. That’s where true margin is, for small enterprises, imho.
Not that I could use that quantity of glue in the rest of my life (unless you include the coffin) but I enjoyed your video as usual. The honesty and professionalism just leaps out like using colour coordinated bowls and weights 😀
Thanks John, really kind of you. I’d love to say the colour coordination was planned but was definitely a coincidence 😂😂. Btw I’ve checked on the website this morning and they are now accepting orders with a minimum 2kg option, not the 5 I said in the video 👍👍
11:39 wow, that’s quite the price difference on TB3 from here in the US. I pay $30 (£23.17) for a gallon, and $19 (£14.67) for the quart (32 oz). Amazon is usually about $1 higher on both. I’d be looking for alternatives as well!
I just ran out of titebond yesterday so I’ve ordered some of this glue and also the finish you used. I must admit I’ve got bored with the TH-cam obsession with titebond. I’ve used Osmo Top Oil for my beech kitchen worktop and rate it highly but it is expensive and I’ll give this one a try. They better be good! 🤣 Seriously though thanks for your recommendation 😊
Hi Leo I've been using Everbuild for years and had no issues I made a workbench top 5 months ago its still outside waiting to be finished just 4"x2" construction timber in our Merseyside weather actually checked last night no splits or delaminations so now I will have to finish it and put the saw horses away.
Good video. Yes, not so long ago, I laid a floor for a customer, and ran off a threshold from reclaimed oak. The customer was angry at having to pay a fiver for the oak, as he assumed it was just scrap. Hardwood is now far too expensive to think it's an easy game. I used to make a lot of live edge floating shelves for folks who were not happy with cardboard IKEA iterations. That was pre-pandemic. Now, even the material cost would send most people into a rage. As for the threshold customer: I offered to remove the threshold and explained that he could purchase a plastic one at B&Q for £10.
Well said and yes very much agree about the cost of quality hardwood post pandemic. If you’re still going to make hardwood cutting boards then it’s really important to look at savings in all aspects of the process 👍👍
Thank you. It's always a great idea to have an alternative. I usually use Soudal products as Titebond is rather expensive (granted it's very good though). Cheers
Very interesting. I expect a lot of the extra cost for Titebond in Europe is the shipping from the US. I expect if the Collanti Concorde was available here in the US, it would be more expensive than in Europe again due to shipping.
@@lv_woodturner3899 Yes good points very well made. I think import duty and taxes also play quite a substantial part. Since the U.K. left the EU it has been somewhat difficult in this area
Looks good stuff. Another thought on shelf life, for less demanding home users is it worth it or might that volume of air in the tub dry it out quicker than the smaller bottles that could be squeezed up to close out the air at the top? Although I suppose you could decant it into 4 pint milk bottles.
In canada instead of tightbond #2 use gorilla glue (the wood glue version) it works as good or better, it's not water proof but very resistant. I'm testing out some boards really long term to see if it works as an alternative to TB 3. Gorilla glue is half the price of TB2 in all my.local stores and is readily available while TB is in short supply most of the time.
I think the reason Titebond has become the ‘goto’ adhesive is all these American woodworking channels. In these, the maker slathers every joint in pints of the stuff with enough visible squeeze out to make three more joints. This is usual because in the US Titebond is half the price EU and UK woodworkers have to pay for it…and these channel hosts are professionals making a living from it, so wasting glue is just a business expense passed onto customers in the pricing. Titebond 3 is very good, no question, but just far too expensive in UK to casually soak wood in it like our US counterparts. Similarly…watch how many US makers casually hack into full sheets of 18mm Baltic Birch Ply even for jig making, as if it defines ‘professional’. In UK a sheet of that is over 300 quid. I don’t think Muricans in these channels know how good they have it right now….
Am I the only one who sees the irony in that one of the first thing the Brits wanted to bring back from the states was lumber to build ships...Still haven't figured it out yet, have you ?
Great test and build! I'm convinced but sadly carried out my own test ages ago with Titebond I, Titebond III, Gorilla, Evo Stik interior and Evo Stik exterior and am still nowhere near using them up! Maybe in a couple of decades I'll be buying more...
Good stuff by the looks of it and a very good test! I make my own glue using soy isolate and an alkali base which is how they traditionally laminate marine ply.
Hi Leo, hope your well. Wow!! what a price difference and you put those chopping boards through a good test run and both are food safe. Good to know there is no delamination and it fine. As always a good video, catch you soon Take care
I don't see that glue here in the states but a gallon (4 liters) of titebond 3 glue here costs $31 at Amazon but normally I buy it from big boxes stores for almost $40. The other brand we have here is Gorilla glue which is good but not for outdoor projects. Saw a video and Gorilla glue failed miserably but I never tried myself and I used only for indoor projects.
@ all good definitely recommend their products been buying for years I only know that info because I buy a lot of their glue so the lads ended up telling me 😂
Titebond 3 is the equivalent of £32 for a US gallon (3.7 litres) over in the US, HALF what it is in the UK. I bring back a gallon every time I'm over (and _always_ find a "we've looked in your luggage" card from TSA on arrival home). Same goes for tools - way cheaper in the US.
@@Hand-i-Craft That is pretty normal for tools and materials. I won't name the *UK* bench dog company that sells the same products in the States for less than half the price they sell here.
Hello Gordon, apologies but I don’t know the answer to your question but there have been others that have given an answer in the comments. Just to let you know the website added this morning that they are accepting orders from 2kg now, not the 5kg I said in the video if that helps 👍👍
Wow. Just been on the site looks like he is now offering it with minimum of 2kg. :) also how do u manage to pore it into a suitable dispenser for use. Thanks.
Cheers pal and yes I've been told the minimum order is now 2kg so I've pinned a comment to the top for other folk to see. In regards to decanting into smaller dispensers, needed Pam's help for that but I bought a small funnel from the pound shop and that works fine👍
Sorry to hear that, some American folk in the comments here have referenced Gorilla glue that is readily available in the US, but I couldn’t say how it compares price and performance wise to Titebond 👍
@@BobMuir100 Honest answer is Bob I don’t know. I can tell you on the website as of this morning they’ve put the minimum order as 2kg (not 5kg that I said in the video) so you can order it in much smaller quantities 👍👍
@@kenwhibley2493 tbh Ken I don’t know the answer to that question and maybe worth contacting them to confirm. I checked the website this morning and their minimum order is currently 2kg so it is currently possible to order is in a smaller quantity 👍👍
Nice video pal. Ive never used tight bond probably the only woodworker who hasn't 🤔 i use d4 glue and not gonna lie never had iasue comes in just a hair cheaper yhan that for 5L may have to give this a shot though 🏴👍
@@michaelwillson6847 Cheers Michael, btw Amicus are now accepting orders with a minimum of 2kg instead of the 5kg I said in the video so maybe worth considering if you want to try it 🤔👍
@@Hand-i-Craft yea a just had look the website seems good. I've recently got a 5L of the D4 but once I get through that will definitely give it a shot. Take it your changed to that one only now 👍🏴
@@Hand-i-Craft ok am unsure what the difference is then. I just checked the brand I use is everbuild the green and yellow one bottle and I use the D4 one although now I'm confused at the difference 😬
@@michaelwillson6847 From what i've been told this although collanti is d3 its strong enough if not stronger than mainstream d4 glues purely because of the quilty and the way it's been developed i always used this glue for sometime and it definitely is. hidden gem on the british market
It’s funny really. So many people get into woodworking having watched TH-cam, they see American channels using TB2 &3 and think its got to be better, they places like axminster sell it at ridiculous prices and people buy it so so cycle continues….. its an American product that costs what it costs because of the overheads of the retailers. so many alternatives on the UK market for a fraction of the price.
@@BrainFizz Well said pal, perfectly summed up. I was guilty of the TB influence from the USA, but glad I’ve found a great product available from an independent U.K. company and hope it will help others to think that way too 😀👍
Looks like you have worked it out. One way out is apply lots of glue, clamp it up , scrape up the excess and put it back in the bottle. Keep working and slay happy.
Nice one mate. I never use tite(arse)bond as I use an alternative but the Collanti is very competitive with the glue I use. Will defo look into buying some when I need more sticky stuff. all the best mate.
Surely theres no reason why someone can't buy the bulk quantity and decant it into smaller 500ml bottles and sell it on if the biggest gripe is the quantty available direct from the distributor?
You'll have to trust me on this, but I honestly believe the wood would break before the glue. Plus the reason I didn't even try it was I didn't see it as a relevant test for a cutting board
Holy fk! Brits pay 60 quid for a gallon of TB3? That's just a little less than double what I pay in Canada with conversion. That's crazy? Although, I bet your Festool & Bosch dishwasher cost muc less. The test I would have liked to see is pour some glue on a baking sheet (silicon mould or whatever), let fully cure, then soak/wash the cured glue blob.
Yes TB products in the U.K. are very expensive. Plus the costs of tools and white goods have also gone up quite considerably in recent years. We’re not in the EU anymore so I’m not sure if that has anything to do with it 🤷♂️
@@Pistol_Knight I just wanted to get a ballpark figure price wise for the volume of glue. Titebond’s big one is over 2 gallons and well over a hundred quid. TBH they actually sell the two sizes I referenced as a ‘package’, I think mainly pal as a stopgap in sizes between the gallon and two gallons 🤷♂️
Unless you're doing glue ups every day and going through it very quickly, buying this amount in bulk is a false economy because so much will spoil and be thrown away. If you decant into smaller bottles, eventually the air in the big bucket will make it go off. No garage woodworker needs industrial amounts of wood glue. Someone needs to resell smaller bottles of this stuff if the maker won't.
If you want to save money on expensive glue, or inexpensive glue for that matter try reducing the amount you use to a reasonable amount. All it takes to glue two pieces of wood together is one thin film on one glue surface. The idea is to glue two pieces of wood together, not glue glue to glue.
@Hand-i-Craft That was just a general statement for anyone who is getting started in wood working or has received bad advice about gluing techniques. No you did not glue glue to glue. It is just another form of using more glue than necessary. Most people I see on TH-cam use way more glue than is necessary and gluing both sides of a joint is a waste of glue and your money. Another way to save money on glue for a cutting board project is to use plain old Elmer's white PVA school glue. It isn't water proof but it is non toxic and food safe. I personally use Elmer's white PVA, Elmer's Carpenter, Elmer's Carpenter Glue Max, Titebond II, Titebond III and Cyanoacrylate glues. Pls
I’ve pinned a comment from Amicus to the top of the comments section where they’ve tried to answer the FAQ’s that have stemmed from the video. Btw they are currently taking orders with a minimum of 2kg of the glue and not 5kg that I said in the video 👍👍
First, you overly complicate the cost analysis. Convert the Titebond to kg and calculate both products based on cost per dag. 2nd, use a crap load less glue. You wasted at maybe 10% on overrun, even more on squeeze out.
Yes but how can you complain about the price when you have very expensive equipment, someone on a budget or who has the bare necessities might have a reason for complaint.
I don’t see how the equipment I have in my workshop is relevant to passing on information to people about savings for a consumable product that is equal to something much more expensive?
@@Hand-i-Craft Yeah, but we don't know how the glue will behave, outdoor, with everyday sun light, rain, snow etc.. D4 is more appropriate for outdoor work...But good video, thank you for showing us the glue....I am European, Portuguese and searching for a euro brand glue with D4 waterresistance...I think the best brand of glues in Europe, is german bran "JOWAT", but i can't find any video talking about JOWAT D4 glue
@ I’ve spoken with the guys at Amicus and a hardener can be added to this product to make it D4 standard. They explained to me that the D3 is suitable for European climate down to -5oC whereas the D4 is more suited to Scandinavian climates down to -25 👍
Titebond is very much an “anglosphere” product. It is as if nothing else exists. I live in Germany and although you can get Titebond it is very expensive. Many here use Soudal. Professionals and hobbyists alike. Soudal are a huge company specialising in adhesives. I have noticed watching other woodworking videos from around Europe including Ukraine and even Russia that they also use Soudal. Just got another 5 litres of their Pro30D waterproof wood glue. Cost €28. Soudal are in Tamworth. I know that a lot of their stuff is available in the UK through various online “builders merchants” style retailers but appears to be more the the Professional stuff used in building work/interiors/sealants etc
Cheers for the message. I’ve seen Soudal as a product with things like silicone sealants etc but never a wood glue 👍
I use Soudal 45 for outside projects. It does foam as its PU, but its tight as a rock.
@@WeaponX2007A My main issue with any PU glue is, because I only work with one arm, I’m not quick enough in my working speed and the glue goes off too quick😂
Pro30D is PVA but personally think it goes off pretty quick but maybe that’s me when it comes to the big panic glue-up
@ That’s why I’ll never use PU glue pal, I’m just not a PU speed woodworker 😂😂😂
Our son was, initially, a chemist with a major multi-national adhesives company, and is now manager of their Australia QA. As a keen hobbist woodworker I asked him about Titebond's range of PVA's. He advised me that all of their (Titebond) products comply with the relevant categories of the Australin/New Zealand Standards and obviously with other nations standards. There are a variety of requirements depending on the purpose to which the adhesive is to be put. All major PVA manufacturuers can produce the same range. Check the label of the product and if you find a cheaper alternative that complies with the same section of the relevant standard go for it
Just tried to order and the minimum is now 2kg so even better to try some!
Thanks for letting me know. I've just pinned a comment to let everyone else know, much appreciated!
I love the time and care you put into making these boards…. Thoroughly sanding, rounding over the edges with a router, etc…. Even though they were both destined for the dishwasher!
‘If you’re going to do a job, might as well do it properly’ 😀😀👍👍
@@Hand-i-Craftcheers! Couple of litres ordered to give it a try 😊
@ Nice one Mal, I’d be interested to hear your feedback on it once you’ve put it through its paces 😀😀👍👍
It is not the cost of glue with me, it is what I will use it for. And no one tells me what glue, tools, etc. to use. I've been around woodworking since I was about 7, and will be 84 in Dec.
It's good to see a stress test like this, so cheers. It's hard to switch to another glue or finish when you know you can trust the one you're using. No one wants to hand over a product that might fail to a customer.
Exactly Chris, I'd end up looking a right pillock and would lose a lot of support if I raved about a product that folk then buy en masse and it turns out to be shocking. Hence the severity of the tests, I was literally astonished with the dishwasher results, I thought the heat would have messed them up quite a bit!
I mention the margin, as a hobbyist that has made maybe 20 or so end grain chopping boards for friends (who loved them) and family (who produce them when I visit with nary a mark on the board). My better half runs a big business that sells lifestyle goods, at astonishing prices, that you can pick up similar goods in Aldi for small money.
The way to a big profit margin is “the story behind the product”.
Organic glue, etc. A farm. A big struggle against adversity, which is probably how most people think about life.
It seems to me that access to the premium market is having a story provenance, and either nice / no packaging, and marketing. Mucho effort.
I don’t think you need to compete on the glue price. Your work speaks for itself. Command your own premium.
You make fantastic points here pal and one that I’m trying to improve on. I think I still suffer from the imposter syndrome thing when people buy a board from me because I made it just as much as they wanted a new board 👍
@@Hand-i-Craft Dude, I’ve been working as an ‘expert’ witness for 25 years, and I have imposter syndrome. The syndrome keeps me on my toes.
I suggest having a look at the “luxury” candle market for ideas about market sectors that you could perhaps target. Near me, there are several “high end” farm shop enterprises that sell really expensive candles, and really expensive long grain chopping boards, for the sort of money that would get me out of bed in the morning without complaint.
You do need the marketing side of things to command the premium. Looking at the stuff that sells in “The Jolly Nice” in Gloucestershire, rustic, reclaimed, sustainable, organic, natural, local is good, it’s a bit like reverse greenwashing - people with money for premium goods will spend it on premium goods, even if the premium is just the packaging or the story. That’s where true margin is, for small enterprises, imho.
Not that I could use that quantity of glue in the rest of my life (unless you include the coffin) but I enjoyed your video as usual. The honesty and professionalism just leaps out like using colour coordinated bowls and weights 😀
Thanks John, really kind of you. I’d love to say the colour coordination was planned but was definitely a coincidence 😂😂. Btw I’ve checked on the website this morning and they are now accepting orders with a minimum 2kg option, not the 5 I said in the video 👍👍
11:39 wow, that’s quite the price difference on TB3 from here in the US. I pay $30 (£23.17) for a gallon, and $19 (£14.67) for the quart (32 oz). Amazon is usually about $1 higher on both. I’d be looking for alternatives as well!
Thanks for the message. That’s an incredible price for TB3 over the pond 😳😀👍
Everbuild D4 is about £10 to £12 for 1 litre. I'm going to try it next because of the titebond prices.
I use the D4 and found it to be very good.
I'd really recommend this stuff pal and it works out at £7.86 per kilo inc VAT 👍
I just ran out of titebond yesterday so I’ve ordered some of this glue and also the finish you used. I must admit I’ve got bored with the TH-cam obsession with titebond. I’ve used Osmo Top Oil for my beech kitchen worktop and rate it highly but it is expensive and I’ll give this one a try. They better be good! 🤣 Seriously though thanks for your recommendation 😊
I’m sure you’ll be really happy with both purchases pal 👍👍😀😀
@@Hand-i-Craft By the way you can buy the glue by the kilo and it’s very good value.
Hi Leo I've been using Everbuild for years and had no issues I made a workbench top 5 months ago its still outside waiting to be finished just 4"x2" construction timber in our Merseyside weather actually checked last night no splits or delaminations so now I will have to finish it and put the saw horses away.
I've used a few Everbuild products pal, but not their wood glue. They have a product called EB25 which is like CT1 but a lot cheaper!
Good video. Yes, not so long ago, I laid a floor for a customer, and ran off a threshold from reclaimed oak. The customer was angry at having to pay a fiver for the oak, as he assumed it was just scrap. Hardwood is now far too expensive to think it's an easy game. I used to make a lot of live edge floating shelves for folks who were not happy with cardboard IKEA iterations. That was pre-pandemic. Now, even the material cost would send most people into a rage.
As for the threshold customer: I offered to remove the threshold and explained that he could purchase a plastic one at B&Q for £10.
Well said and yes very much agree about the cost of quality hardwood post pandemic. If you’re still going to make hardwood cutting boards then it’s really important to look at savings in all aspects of the process 👍👍
OK, i'm in for 5 L. This looks a cracking deal, and looking forward to using it! Thanks, and keep on doing what you;re doing!
Cheers and I’m sure you’ll be really impressed with it and it is great value for money 👍😀
Thanks for all the work you do to help us.
Hope you're feeling better, and that "black dog" isn't bothering you, if you know, you know.
Cheers Mark and yes doing ok atm thanks 👍👍
Thank you. It's always a great idea to have an alternative. I usually use Soudal products as Titebond is rather expensive (granted it's very good though). Cheers
Certainly worth trying out and they are now accepting orders with a minimum of 2kg, not the 5kg I said in the video 👍👍
good video and educational. The proof is in the demonstration. Thank you. Robert
@@robertrohler3644 Cheers Robert, appreciate the kind feedback 😀👍
Very interesting. I expect a lot of the extra cost for Titebond in Europe is the shipping from the US. I expect if the Collanti Concorde was available here in the US, it would be more expensive than in Europe again due to shipping.
@@lv_woodturner3899 Yes good points very well made. I think import duty and taxes also play quite a substantial part. Since the U.K. left the EU it has been somewhat difficult in this area
Looks good stuff. Another thought on shelf life, for less demanding home users is it worth it or might that volume of air in the tub dry it out quicker than the smaller bottles that could be squeezed up to close out the air at the top? Although I suppose you could decant it into 4 pint milk bottles.
Shelf life is +|- 8 months if the container is properly closed also this can be used for veneering
I use those ketchup like bottle and a small funnel to decant the glue into them 😀👍
In canada instead of tightbond #2 use gorilla glue (the wood glue version) it works as good or better, it's not water proof but very resistant. I'm testing out some boards really long term to see if it works as an alternative to TB 3. Gorilla glue is half the price of TB2 in all my.local stores and is readily available while TB is in short supply most of the time.
Interesting to hear, thank you 😀👍
I think the reason Titebond has become the ‘goto’ adhesive is all these American woodworking channels. In these, the maker slathers every joint in pints of the stuff with enough visible squeeze out to make three more joints. This is usual because in the US Titebond is half the price EU and UK woodworkers have to pay for it…and these channel hosts are professionals making a living from it, so wasting glue is just a business expense passed onto customers in the pricing. Titebond 3 is very good, no question, but just far too expensive in UK to casually soak wood in it like our US counterparts. Similarly…watch how many US makers casually hack into full sheets of 18mm Baltic Birch Ply even for jig making, as if it defines ‘professional’. In UK a sheet of that is over 300 quid. I don’t think Muricans in these channels know how good they have it right now….
Well said and totally agree with everything here 👍👍👍
300£ for a sheet of plywood! $ 390 ! Damn . And I thought going from $35 ish to $80-90 was ridiculous.You should start a plywood factory.
Am I the only one who sees the irony in that one of the first thing the Brits wanted to bring back from the states was lumber to build ships...Still haven't figured it out yet, have you ?
@@ericsyvertsen5880 😂😂😂. To be honest you do have an incredible selection of timber species on your side of the pond 😀😀👍👍
@@Hand-i-Craft I know, I drive a few miles and have 3 different hard wood suppliers to choose from, we are fortunate. Thanks for reaching out !
Nice one Leo. Hopefully he starts making one half the size, I’d worry half of it would spoil before I got to it. Looks great 👍
You can buy it in 2kg now... check site
The website is now saying minimum order 2kg pal (which I think would come in 2 x 1kg containers) so maybe worth taking a look 👍
I say, always try to support the little guy!
Absolutely, wherever possible I will now always try to support an independent business than a large corporation 👍
Great test and build! I'm convinced but sadly carried out my own test ages ago with Titebond I, Titebond III, Gorilla, Evo Stik interior and Evo Stik exterior and am still nowhere near using them up! Maybe in a couple of decades I'll be buying more...
I’m like that with abrasives pal, I done a test a few years ago now and still have loads of them left 😂😂😂
you're bloody amazing. so inspirational.
Very kind of you, much appreciated 😀
Good stuff by the looks of it and a very good test!
I make my own glue using soy isolate and an alkali base which is how they traditionally laminate marine ply.
Thank you and you’re the first person I’ve ever heard make their own glue, credit to you 😀👍
Hi Leo, hope your well. Wow!! what a price difference and you put those chopping boards through a good test run and both are food safe. Good to know there is no delamination and it fine. As always a good video, catch you soon Take care
Nice one Shaun and yes it's a great product pal, fantastic value for money at under £8 per kilo inc VAT 👍
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I don't see that glue here in the states but a gallon (4 liters) of titebond 3 glue here costs $31 at Amazon but normally I buy it from big boxes stores for almost $40. The other brand we have here is Gorilla glue which is good but not for outdoor projects. Saw a video and Gorilla glue failed miserably but I never tried myself and I used only for indoor projects.
@@slanwar Thanks for the comment, based on the prices you say here in the U.K we’re paying three times the prices for TB3😳😳
Gorilla glue ultimate is their waterproof version. I've been using it for over a year. So far so good. Time will tell
@@dannapier8563 Thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge 👍👍
is it food safe as I can't find anything calming it is
I’ll double check with the suppliers pal but yes it is 👍
What grit do you go up to on your cutting boards?
@@WeaponX2007A depends on the wood, normally 180g but sometimes 240
Is it food safe?
What's the open time on the glue? Any ideas on shelf life once opened?
Open time is around 10 minutes and shelf life is +|- 8 months if the container is properly closed also this can be used for vaneering
@@JohnDoe-x7e8w Thanks!
@ all good definitely recommend their products been buying for years I only know that info because I buy a lot of their glue so the lads ended up telling me 😂
Thanks for sharing the info, much appreciated 😀😀👍👍
Titebond 3 is the equivalent of £32 for a US gallon (3.7 litres) over in the US, HALF what it is in the UK.
I bring back a gallon every time I'm over (and _always_ find a "we've looked in your luggage" card from TSA on arrival home).
Same goes for tools - way cheaper in the US.
I knew it would have been cheaper over there but didn’t realise it was half the price 😳
@@Hand-i-Craft That is pretty normal for tools and materials. I won't name the *UK* bench dog company that sells the same products in the States for less than half the price they sell here.
@@LickorishAllsorts Is that possibly due to taxes (or lack of) added to the price?
@@Hand-i-Craft At worst that is going to account for a fifth of the price gouge.
@@LickorishAllsorts Cheers, appreciate the reply 👍👍
What is the shelf life. Thanks
Hello Gordon, apologies but I don’t know the answer to your question but there have been others that have given an answer in the comments. Just to let you know the website added this morning that they are accepting orders from 2kg now, not the 5kg I said in the video if that helps 👍👍
shelf life is +|- 8 months if the container is properly closed also this can be used for vaneering
Wow. Just been on the site looks like he is now offering it with minimum of 2kg. :) also how do u manage to pore it into a suitable dispenser for use. Thanks.
Cheers pal and yes I've been told the minimum order is now 2kg so I've pinned a comment to the top for other folk to see. In regards to decanting into smaller dispensers, needed Pam's help for that but I bought a small funnel from the pound shop and that works fine👍
I'm in the USA and cannot get Amicus or Soudal products. I was really hoping for a more affordable alternative to Titebond.
Sorry to hear that, some American folk in the comments here have referenced Gorilla glue that is readily available in the US, but I couldn’t say how it compares price and performance wise to Titebond 👍
👍👍👍. Thank you Leo
Cheers Pete 😀😀👍👍
Not tried that yet, I mostly use Gorilla wood glue in my projects. I’ll have to check it out.
It’s worth a try pal. Amicus are now saying they’ll accept minimum orders of 2kg now, so food for thought 🤔😀👍
Hi, shelf life of the huge tub of the Collanti pls?
Bob
England
@@BobMuir100 Honest answer is Bob I don’t know. I can tell you on the website as of this morning they’ve put the minimum order as 2kg (not 5kg that I said in the video) so you can order it in much smaller quantities 👍👍
shelf life is +|- 8 months if the container is properly closed also this can be used for vaneering
Not available in the US?
We can ship it it does cost more
I’ve pinned a reply from the company to the top of the comments hopefully answering all the FAQ’s that have come up from the video 😀👍
Has it a life //use by date
@@kenwhibley2493 tbh Ken I don’t know the answer to that question and maybe worth contacting them to confirm. I checked the website this morning and their minimum order is currently 2kg so it is currently possible to order is in a smaller quantity 👍👍
shelf life is +|- 8 months if the container is properly closed also this can be used for vaneering
Tight bond 2 is the food safe glue.
Nice video pal. Ive never used tight bond probably the only woodworker who hasn't 🤔 i use d4 glue and not gonna lie never had iasue comes in just a hair cheaper yhan that for 5L may have to give this a shot though 🏴👍
@@michaelwillson6847 Cheers Michael, btw Amicus are now accepting orders with a minimum of 2kg instead of the 5kg I said in the video so maybe worth considering if you want to try it 🤔👍
@@Hand-i-Craft yea a just had look the website seems good. I've recently got a 5L of the D4 but once I get through that will definitely give it a shot. Take it your changed to that one only now 👍🏴
@ Pretty much, Rob at Amicus says it can be ‘upgraded’ to D4 with the addition of hardener if required
@@Hand-i-Craft ok am unsure what the difference is then. I just checked the brand I use is everbuild the green and yellow one bottle and I use the D4 one although now I'm confused at the difference 😬
@@michaelwillson6847 From what i've been told this although collanti is d3 its strong enough if not stronger than mainstream d4 glues purely because of the quilty and the way it's been developed i always used this glue for sometime and it definitely is. hidden gem on the british market
It’s funny really. So many people get into woodworking having watched TH-cam, they see American channels using TB2 &3 and think its got to be better, they places like axminster sell it at ridiculous prices and people buy it so so cycle continues….. its an American product that costs what it costs because of the overheads of the retailers. so many alternatives on the UK market for a fraction of the price.
@@BrainFizz Well said pal, perfectly summed up. I was guilty of the TB influence from the USA, but glad I’ve found a great product available from an independent U.K. company and hope it will help others to think that way too 😀👍
5 litred will take me 15 yrs to use.
How long can i store it?
Just been on website and minimum order is now 2lts
Website is now saying 2kg minimum order pal so maybe worth considering 👍
Titebond claims typical is 2 years, but if you keep it stored cool, shelf life can be up to 10 years.
@ I’d be inclined to say the same for most decent PVA glues, but manufacturers will say otherwise 👍👍
shelf life is +|- 8 months if the container is properly closed also this can be used for vaneering
Titebond 3 1 gal on Amazon currently $31.95
Wow 😳😳
I notice you only put glue on one side of the boards. Is that enough?
Of course it is. Why waste glue
Yes pal, according to some comments I put far too much on that one side as well 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Looks like you have worked it out. One way out is apply lots of glue, clamp it up , scrape up the excess and put it back in the bottle.
Keep working and slay happy.
@@geoffb108 😀👍
If you listen carefully, you can hear him say "Rubio" rolling into "most well known brands".
😂😂👀👀I thought I heard Osmoooooo👀👀😂😂
Thankyou it all helpz
You're welcome 😀
Titebond is 30 a gallon in the us
Fantastic price for a great product 👍👍
Nice one mate. I never use tite(arse)bond as I use an alternative but the Collanti is very competitive with the glue I use. Will defo look into buying some when I need more sticky stuff. all the best mate.
@@Stephens8x6Workshop Nice one pal, appreciate the feedback 😀😀👍👍
Surely theres no reason why someone can't buy the bulk quantity and decant it into smaller 500ml bottles and sell it on if the biggest gripe is the quantty available direct from the distributor?
The distributor is now offering to sell it starting at 2kg pal so hopefully that issue has been resolved 👍😀
@@Hand-i-Craft I see that but thete is still a few folks thinking 2kg is a bit too much for the home hobyist.
Website now says minimum order is 2lts
Cheers Steve, I've pinned a comment to the top to let others know, Much appreciated!
Where is the test to see how well these boards hold up to attempts to break them? This is the measure of how good the glue is surely?
You'll have to trust me on this, but I honestly believe the wood would break before the glue. Plus the reason I didn't even try it was I didn't see it as a relevant test for a cutting board
Holy fk! Brits pay 60 quid for a gallon of TB3? That's just a little less than double what I pay in Canada with conversion. That's crazy? Although, I bet your Festool & Bosch dishwasher cost muc less. The test I would have liked to see is pour some glue on a baking sheet (silicon mould or whatever), let fully cure, then soak/wash the cured glue blob.
Yes TB products in the U.K. are very expensive. Plus the costs of tools and white goods have also gone up quite considerably in recent years. We’re not in the EU anymore so I’m not sure if that has anything to do with it 🤷♂️
Looks like it’d be a pain in the ass to dispense into useable containers. Odd choice a bucket of glue 🤷♂️
smaller bottles with the labels etc push prices up, but I know what you mean
@@DustyKorpse Fair point but I found just using a cheap funnel I bought from the pound shop works fine 👍👍
@@Pistol_Knight I just wanted to get a ballpark figure price wise for the volume of glue. Titebond’s big one is over 2 gallons and well over a hundred quid. TBH they actually sell the two sizes I referenced as a ‘package’, I think mainly pal as a stopgap in sizes between the gallon and two gallons 🤷♂️
@@Hand-i-Craft I just paid £6.99 per kilo for 2 kilos of the glue. Damn good value!
Unless you're doing glue ups every day and going through it very quickly, buying this amount in bulk is a false economy because so much will spoil and be thrown away. If you decant into smaller bottles, eventually the air in the big bucket will make it go off. No garage woodworker needs industrial amounts of wood glue. Someone needs to resell smaller bottles of this stuff if the maker won't.
Where is the test to see how well these boards hold up to attempts to break them? Thia the measure of how good the glue is surely?
They don't ship to the US. :(
Sorry to hear that pal, but I guess you get TB products as a much cheaper price than we do in the U.K. 👍
@@Hand-i-Craft Thanks. Keep up the great videos!
@ Thank you 😀👍
If you want to save money on expensive glue, or inexpensive glue for that matter try reducing the amount you use to a reasonable amount. All it takes to glue two pieces of wood together is one thin film on one glue surface. The idea is to glue two pieces of wood together, not glue glue to glue.
@@kimbrown5297 At what point did I glue glue to glue? Appreciate I overdid the glue application a bit but I only ever glued one side 👍👍
@Hand-i-Craft That was just a general statement for anyone who is getting started in wood working or has received bad advice about gluing techniques. No you did not glue glue to glue. It is just another form of using more glue than necessary. Most people I see on TH-cam use way more glue than is necessary and gluing both sides of a joint is a waste of glue and your money. Another way to save money on glue for a cutting board project is to use plain old Elmer's white PVA school glue. It isn't water proof but it is non toxic and food safe. I personally use Elmer's white PVA, Elmer's Carpenter, Elmer's Carpenter Glue Max, Titebond II, Titebond III and Cyanoacrylate glues. Pls
It's all on you now Leo lol
nooice
Cheers pal 👍😀
Not even sure it is carried in the usa.
nope we the closest distributor to you but we can ship to us
If you check the pinned comment Amicus have answered the FAQ’s 👍👍
Shelf life?
I’ve pinned a comment from Amicus to the top of the comments section where they’ve tried to answer the FAQ’s that have stemmed from the video. Btw they are currently taking orders with a minimum of 2kg of the glue and not 5kg that I said in the video 👍👍
Seems like more of a Brexit problem than a glue problem.
I’m not sure about that as the glue is imported into the U.K. from Italy 🤷♂️
I’m sorry 😊
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First, you overly complicate the cost analysis. Convert the Titebond to kg and calculate both products based on cost per dag. 2nd, use a crap load less glue. You wasted at maybe 10% on overrun, even more on squeeze out.
Apologies my video didn’t meet your standards
Yes but how can you complain about the price when you have very expensive equipment, someone on a budget or who has the bare necessities might have a reason for complaint.
I don’t see how the equipment I have in my workshop is relevant to passing on information to people about savings for a consumable product that is equal to something much more expensive?
@@Hand-i-Craft yep, there's always some jealous b***end who thinks their opinions matter.
But it is D3 waterproof...Titebond 3 is D4 waterproof...
@@joseamaral2307 Yes it is water proof and I think the tests in the video helped to prove that 😀👍
@@Hand-i-Craft Yeah, but we don't know how the glue will behave, outdoor, with everyday sun light, rain, snow etc.. D4 is more appropriate for outdoor work...But good video, thank you for showing us the glue....I am European, Portuguese and searching for a euro brand glue with D4 waterresistance...I think the best brand of glues in Europe, is german bran "JOWAT", but i can't find any video talking about JOWAT D4 glue
@ I’ve spoken with the guys at Amicus and a hardener can be added to this product to make it D4 standard. They explained to me that the D3 is suitable for European climate down to -5oC whereas the D4 is more suited to Scandinavian climates down to -25 👍