id love to see something similar.. but have the scouting staff as the dogs b**** and see if the team (or any of the teams) find any hidden gems. see if they can sell these gems at a profit.. to further help the clubs.
Probably the most surreal moment of my teaching career to date; to watch a video where I used to teach PE to two of the players found in this video (Alfie Lloyd and Callum Watts)! Now they've moved onto Klopp and Pep... 😂🙌
Spoiler: It won't. Keepers are really dependent on the people in front of them. Unless the keeper is Nightcrawler, they won't be able to completely make up for a shoddy defense once you get into the levels where players are actually professionals with value.
@@Remianen it sounds like it would make quite the difference up to a certain point, and finding that point might be worth it. Also, what you say is true for real football but it may play out differently in the simulation. What if the super perfect keeper is 215cm tall? Surely his capacity for reaching the corners and far posts will be much greater than a 185cm tall keeper
I'm not sure in fm, but I think klopp would edge it in real life. Pep's teams have always had an emphasis on technique above all. Not that there aren't players with good technique at lower league clubs, and not that technique can't be coached, but the level is not the same. Klopp's brand, however, can actually rely more on pure physical gifts in my mind. The other sides will be the same level as his, so I believe the pressing style actually becomes more effective if implemented properly at lower levels, because most players in lower leagues have a lower standard for technique and football decision making. Whether pep would implement a good pressing style is up for debate, but klopp also has history in managing in a lower league. That might be invaluable when pep has only managed big teams with some of the worlds best players.
Pep has always had an unlimited budget to work with. It still takes talent to use that to get a working team but he hasn't really proven himself outside of having irl cheat codes
@@TheMasterpiecePD So, why hasn't PSG won the Champions League and why haven't United won anything since Fergie despite spending a billion? This is the dumbest take. It's like saying "Lewis Hamilton wins a lot of championships in F1 but I haven't seen him drive a go-kart around Silverstone to know if he's really good."
@@caesar-dynastysports Maybe read what I said again, bro. I said he has a knack for putting an unlimited budget to use but he hasn't really been tested outside of that scenario. He has his distinct tika-taka stiyle obviously but he started that at barca where he had 100m+ transfer budget, going onto bayern where he had 100m+ transfer budget to city which has unlimited+ transfer budget. I didn't say unlimited transfer budget guarantees you success, I said that's the only enviroment Pep has been tested in, as opposed to other world class managers who started at smaller clubs where they actually had to deal with actually having to deal with juggling wages and transfer budget with what they already had
You could try doing a bit of a opposite, make 2 super teams, put them in a high league, an dhave the worst staff managing them and see how they end up. Loved this though :D
was stuck in an airport in Dominican Republic for three days back in 2015, only thing I had was my computer a slow internet connection and water, your videos got me through that horrible horrible wait.
Interesting klopp was the first to sign a player that played for their former team. Klopps best player in season 3 was a former liverpool player and currently still plays for Liverpool irl. You can see his clubs history at 18:56
After 7 hours getting everything set up to sim overnight when I thought it would take an hour tops and it being 3am I was not in the mood to make an effort 😭
Pep's a little bit superpowered in FM, so I'm going to predict he takes it. Also, Jack, we can see how much effort went into this by the state of your hair. Thanks for putting the work in for our entertainment!
If only this future Jack had told past Jack of the player registration rules in the Chinese First Division before he signed 21 new players for Beijing IT
Not sure if anyone else took note of this but Conor Bradley is actually a liverpool academy player who got his debut in the league cup vs norwich a couple months ago. Cool that klopp brought him in
ben hockenhull is a great defender for lower league management, i did a save with a created team called Leeds City, we couldn't ever sign him but he was always playing well.
you should do a whole league with managers of all classes, you could even add ancelotti, zidane, tuchel, enrique, flick, mourinho.... to ole, lampard, pochetino, koeman, setiene, etc. would love to see a league with all of them together with exactly identical clubs in the same league
That'd be great to watch. Could also be done (perhaps) with each team having the base manager but getting 1 superstar each (mbappe, haaland, and so on) to see what player could change a club the most.
Jack, can we see the facilities of both clubs? All that money must go somewhere and would be interesting to see if either manager is trying to upgrade youth recruitment etc. Cheers, loving the videos!
Its a really interesting experiment, and fair play for making identical teams for them rather than just putting them at two Conference sides. I was wondering if their different manager reputations might impact on the players interested in playing for them (Pep looked like he had a higher reputation than Klopp), however that might not play a part until they get into league football when the clubs are professional.
Hi, great video fam. However it lacks information and navigation for the viewers. You could probably put a roadmap/timelapse at the bottom for us to follow. Cheers and keep producing a great story.
So one of the players that Klopp signed Josh Okatcha, and one of the players that Pep signed Saul Milvanovic are both regular starters for me in my League leading League 2 side in my current save, of course pep is playing Saul out of position (way to small to play centerback) so that could be why he isn’t performing well but just funny to see those two
You should do the same for all the premier league managers. Put all 20 lower down with the same cloned clubs and keep them jailed in those clubs. Would be a fantastic series tracking them all
Prediction - Pep's system transfers poorly to worse players while Klopp's pressing system is able to be implemented more effectively through coaching while using less technical players - the press is the playmaker.
What would have been even better is to have a third Dover with no changes and their usual manager as a control group to compare to and see the difference. Obviously would have taken hours more cloning though!
I think Guardiola will be more successful because his system is far more forgiving. Gegenpress requires good players and that's not available until you get to around Championship level. Sunday league footballers can do Tiki Taka. It wouldn't be pretty but it can still be done. And that's not even mentioning the stamina cost of gegenpress in this year's FM.
How can you get the future transfer for coaches to work? I’ve tried to sort that out on my editor but also you don’t seem to be able to click on coaches being able to leave at the end of their contracts
That is how they are in the game with the club moves set up, Ive not touched them. I'd hazard a guess that it's something to do with their global reputation and Klopps is considered lower in the game as he's managed in fewer countries, had a lesser professional playing career and is managing in a low English league
I'm guessing Klopp will so better. I haven't checked but I bet his man management / motivational qualities are slightly higher than Pep's. At this level, these qualities probably trump tactics
You have to set it up in the nations advanced rules using the FM editor, its not a simple process and is difficult to explain through youtube comments. You ened to know how to sue the editor to add it
In my save, at 2023 Pep contract expired then Klopp leave Liverpool to be his sucessor at City. Then Pep hired by Liverpool. Imagine that happen in real life, would be dope.
You should takethe best team in the premier league with the worst team in the national league (for example Man City and Dover) and swap them around so Dover go to the premier league and city go to the national league and see how long it would take them to meet (have all the players locked so they can’t leave and give each team a huge transfer budget)
Its 23 this season in real life, with the pandemic and a big restructuring on the English lower steps it's unclear what the long term plan is. As such in FM it stays at 23 clubs
late to this lol but here is my prediction so i can leave a comment for your algorithm: pep will do better due to his higher tactics ratings. and that's a shame because i want klopp to do better
Fitness in my opinion is really important in semi pro level, so the edge is to Kloop But, in pro level, I see guardiola doing better. I would bet that in the end guardiola will win this. (And I’m a kloop fan)
Wouldn't it have been quicker for past Jack to just run 2 separate FM saves with Klopp and Pep at Dover on either save then compare their respective 15 years?
Did the managers stay true to their philosophies? Formations are obviously the same, but did Pep, for example, play positive, very short passing, low tempo football at this level?
I’m currently Newcastle manager, I have Atlanta as an affiliate, however I cannot loan any players out to them without having an mls style contract, does anyone know how to do this?
In real life I think it would be Klopp. He’s a much more well rounded manager, he’s very charismatic and has a disarming nature. I feel he would command the respect of semi-pro working class players. Klopp is also amazing at getting the most out of a player, knowing their core strengths and almost min-maxing irl. Pep will 100% win this challenge in game. His reputation will play a massive factor in attracting talent, his adaptability makes him suitable for this league and his tactical attribute will mean he can handle any match situation. However irl I feel pep would struggle, unlike Klopp who gets the best out of a player, Pep is amazing at coaching and developing a player, however non league is very limited. Pep also has created a brand of football that is technically demanding, we haven’t seen anything else from Pep. Lastly and more importantly is Pep’s attitude that has been known to create conflict, eg: Ibra & Eto’o, I do not think a 29 year old brick layer would take kindly to his occasional & seemingly belittling persona!
Not convinced managers make any difference. Also, on these experiments, if the matches aren’t being simmed in full detail than the results could just be random?
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Klopp vs Guardiola - who did you think is going to do better? 🤔
Let me know 👇
Klopp. By a small margin.
id love to see something similar.. but have the scouting staff as the dogs b**** and see if the team (or any of the teams) find any hidden gems. see if they can sell these gems at a profit.. to further help the clubs.
PEP CAUSE I SAID SO
whichever one gets a sick regen is probably going to do best hahaha
I feel like Klopp will just about grab it.
P.s., JACK... Your hair, what's going on? 😂 You're morphing into Wolverine and I love it 😂😂
Probably the most surreal moment of my teaching career to date; to watch a video where I used to teach PE to two of the players found in this video (Alfie Lloyd and Callum Watts)! Now they've moved onto Klopp and Pep... 😂🙌
That's actually a madness 🔥
This is so weird…Travis Gregory (Dover player) is actually my friend lol
Hahaa brilliant!!
Would love to see a super perfect Goalkeeper in a non league side Jack, curious to see how much of a difference it would actually make
Spoiler: It won't. Keepers are really dependent on the people in front of them. Unless the keeper is Nightcrawler, they won't be able to completely make up for a shoddy defense once you get into the levels where players are actually professionals with value.
@@Remianen it sounds like it would make quite the difference up to a certain point, and finding that point might be worth it.
Also, what you say is true for real football but it may play out differently in the simulation. What if the super perfect keeper is 215cm tall? Surely his capacity for reaching the corners and far posts will be much greater than a 185cm tall keeper
E quê oh irmão?
@@rodrigofilipe5658 E quê filho?
Big difference
I'm not sure in fm, but I think klopp would edge it in real life. Pep's teams have always had an emphasis on technique above all. Not that there aren't players with good technique at lower league clubs, and not that technique can't be coached, but the level is not the same. Klopp's brand, however, can actually rely more on pure physical gifts in my mind. The other sides will be the same level as his, so I believe the pressing style actually becomes more effective if implemented properly at lower levels, because most players in lower leagues have a lower standard for technique and football decision making. Whether pep would implement a good pressing style is up for debate, but klopp also has history in managing in a lower league. That might be invaluable when pep has only managed big teams with some of the worlds best players.
he managed mainz mate, not a part time side. klopp can't run a construction worker dry with pressing, no matter how gifted he cant take it
Pep has always had an unlimited budget to work with. It still takes talent to use that to get a working team but he hasn't really proven himself outside of having irl cheat codes
@@gunaodegaia9082 Point is Kloppa has won titles and made progress with underdog clubs, while Pep has had to sign top players for his system to work.
@@TheMasterpiecePD So, why hasn't PSG won the Champions League and why haven't United won anything since Fergie despite spending a billion? This is the dumbest take. It's like saying "Lewis Hamilton wins a lot of championships in F1 but I haven't seen him drive a go-kart around Silverstone to know if he's really good."
@@caesar-dynastysports Maybe read what I said again, bro. I said he has a knack for putting an unlimited budget to use but he hasn't really been tested outside of that scenario. He has his distinct tika-taka stiyle obviously but he started that at barca where he had 100m+ transfer budget, going onto bayern where he had 100m+ transfer budget to city which has unlimited+ transfer budget. I didn't say unlimited transfer budget guarantees you success, I said that's the only enviroment Pep has been tested in, as opposed to other world class managers who started at smaller clubs where they actually had to deal with actually having to deal with juggling wages and transfer budget with what they already had
Could you do the reverse of this and have a non league manager in charge of Liverpool and man City and see how they do?
Or just create a manager with all attributes at 1 and 0 reputation, but unsackable and have them take over Man Utd.
@@manoiumusicgames5763 The already tried that with Ole
@@onetruesmugs 🤣
@@onetruesmugs well.. reputation speaking Ole shouldve had bigger reputation than that 🤣
Perhaps we are talking about Ralf?😀
Really like the trapped series.
You could try doing a bit of a opposite, make 2 super teams, put them in a high league, an dhave the worst staff managing them and see how they end up. Loved this though :D
real life example: manchester united
Would be interesting to see if the clubs infrastructures have been invested in differently.
was stuck in an airport in Dominican Republic for three days back in 2015, only thing I had was my computer a slow internet connection and water, your videos got me through that horrible horrible wait.
Lewes FC I believe it was you managed back then.
happy to have helped! 🙌
Interesting klopp was the first to sign a player that played for their former team. Klopps best player in season 3 was a former liverpool player and currently still plays for Liverpool irl. You can see his clubs history at 18:56
Nice hair Jack 🤣
After 7 hours getting everything set up to sim overnight when I thought it would take an hour tops and it being 3am I was not in the mood to make an effort 😭
@@WorkTheSpace great content though worth the effort don't tell him but better than Ben's world Cup rubbish
Great idea for a video jack, great work
Pep's a little bit superpowered in FM, so I'm going to predict he takes it.
Also, Jack, we can see how much effort went into this by the state of your hair. Thanks for putting the work in for our entertainment!
The first part was recorded at 3am after lots of head bashing on my desk trying to get everything set up 🤣
Awesome job, Jack!
Pep is more tactially astute and has a stronger winning mentality which he can transmit to his players, so I back him to edge it
love the content, and the streams as well. class
Appreciate the support bud!
If only this future Jack had told past Jack of the player registration rules in the Chinese First Division before he signed 21 new players for Beijing IT
Love the videos mate👍🏼
Not sure if anyone else took note of this but Conor Bradley is actually a liverpool academy player who got his debut in the league cup vs norwich a couple months ago. Cool that klopp brought him in
Brilliant idea this lad, can’t wait for more!
really cool to see dover being used (even though they are rivals with my team) as they are the closest club to me in fm
ben hockenhull is a great defender for lower league management, i did a save with a created team called Leeds City, we couldn't ever sign him but he was always playing well.
Great job man! I wana see more :P.
Klopp and Pep are just specs in a Gary Megson universe
Gonna subscribed, enjoying experiments like this and the haaland one
you should do a whole league with managers of all classes, you could even add ancelotti, zidane, tuchel, enrique, flick, mourinho.... to ole, lampard, pochetino, koeman, setiene, etc. would love to see a league with all of them together with exactly identical clubs in the same league
That'd be great to watch. Could also be done (perhaps) with each team having the base manager but getting 1 superstar each (mbappe, haaland, and so on) to see what player could change a club the most.
Jack, can we see the facilities of both clubs? All that money must go somewhere and would be interesting to see if either manager is trying to upgrade youth recruitment etc. Cheers, loving the videos!
Good fun and love the work you put in! Pep's lower league beast Hockenhull pulled me to the championship with Altrincham in 5 years he's quality
This is great experiment!
Its a really interesting experiment, and fair play for making identical teams for them rather than just putting them at two Conference sides. I was wondering if their different manager reputations might impact on the players interested in playing for them (Pep looked like he had a higher reputation than Klopp), however that might not play a part until they get into league football when the clubs are professional.
Nice Wolverine haircut, Jack
Hi, great video fam. However it lacks information and navigation for the viewers. You could probably put a roadmap/timelapse at the bottom for us to follow. Cheers and keep producing a great story.
Would love to see more on the finances and club make-up side of things. Great idea Jack.
Another great video Jack. Keep 'em coming. Klopp for the win though.
Really great idea
Edit : PS on long term videos it’s nice to have time stamps to jump to
So one of the players that Klopp signed Josh Okatcha, and one of the players that Pep signed Saul Milvanovic are both regular starters for me in my League leading League 2 side in my current save, of course pep is playing Saul out of position (way to small to play centerback) so that could be why he isn’t performing well but just funny to see those two
I know you like to keep the videos watchable during lunch break, but I would watch even at an hour long.
You should do the same for all the premier league managers. Put all 20 lower down with the same cloned clubs and keep them jailed in those clubs. Would be a fantastic series tracking them all
Altrincham is pronounced Ol-Tring-Um btw. Love the content :)
English is a dumb language
@@WorkTheSpace completely agree
Prediction - Pep's system transfers poorly to worse players while Klopp's pressing system is able to be implemented more effectively through coaching while using less technical players - the press is the playmaker.
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Great video
What would have been even better is to have a third Dover with no changes and their usual manager as a control group to compare to and see the difference. Obviously would have taken hours more cloning though!
Wow what a brilliant experiment
Pep's Dover Athletic squad in parts is a shameless product placement. "How dare you" 🤣🤣🤣
I was enjoying a selection box at the time of making the database 😂
Great idea 👍
You should put Messi and Ronaldo in each of their own non league team, or even do a top player in each of the teams and see how they do:D
Predicting Klopp. The game engine just favors his style over Peps
T.J. Detweiler! We stan a good Recess reference.
❤
I think Guardiola will be more successful because his system is far more forgiving. Gegenpress requires good players and that's not available until you get to around Championship level. Sunday league footballers can do Tiki Taka. It wouldn't be pretty but it can still be done. And that's not even mentioning the stamina cost of gegenpress in this year's FM.
The skill required on ball is insane for peps system
This is Brillant :D
should do a few everton scenarios , moyes with 500 million and same with koeman , Martinez and benitez do three seasons each
How can you get the future transfer for coaches to work? I’ve tried to sort that out on my editor but also you don’t seem to be able to click on coaches being able to leave at the end of their contracts
Maybe check the financials/club facilities annually to see if they're improving too?
whay is Pep`s reputation is world class and Klopp`s is regional? surely thatll have an impact on the signings
That is how they are in the game with the club moves set up, Ive not touched them. I'd hazard a guess that it's something to do with their global reputation and Klopps is considered lower in the game as he's managed in fewer countries, had a lesser professional playing career and is managing in a low English league
Klopp. Everyday at this level.
I think Klopp at least initially, his style of football is probably more suiatble to LLM. As Pep requires Tiki Taka
I'm guessing Klopp will so better. I haven't checked but I bet his man management / motivational qualities are slightly higher than Pep's. At this level, these qualities probably trump tactics
Funny store in my FM22 save Klopp went to Man City and Pep went to Liverpool
Did you use the in-game editor or the pre-game editor for the cloning? It shouldn't be that time consuming in the pre-game editor.
I used the pregame editor however there's a ton of bugs with it and its duplicate functionality I had to navigate.
Can you explain how you do the -12 deduction and how to do it…?????
I wanna do Birmingham city and try and get them back up
You have to set it up in the nations advanced rules using the FM editor, its not a simple process and is difficult to explain through youtube comments. You ened to know how to sue the editor to add it
Pep, if he can get out of the lower leagues with his fitness abilities, if not, then it's Klopp
You should make 22 perfect players and see where they all go to
How come the teams in season three look different, eg hemel Hempstead disappear
Should try klopp and pepp clone Manchester City and Liverpool
They found the fridges....Both teams took 20 point penalties for blood doping
In my save, at 2023 Pep contract expired then Klopp leave Liverpool to be his sucessor at City. Then Pep hired by Liverpool. Imagine that happen in real life, would be dope.
Those 1-0 matches seems weird. Did you remember to turn on details for those leagues they play in?
the leageus are fully loaded with detail set to max in preferences
You should takethe best team in the premier league with the worst team in the national league (for example Man City and Dover) and swap them around so Dover go to the premier league and city go to the national league and see how long it would take them to meet (have all the players locked so they can’t leave and give each team a huge transfer budget)
Is the NationalLeague meant to be 22 or 24 teams usually, either way doesn’t look like it gets corrected after the first season
Its 23 this season in real life, with the pandemic and a big restructuring on the English lower steps it's unclear what the long term plan is. As such in FM it stays at 23 clubs
Interesting that Pep still has a world class rep, while Klopp has decreased to regional.
Goes to show how much success you can have if you stick with a manager ;)
Klopp, because I can't spell gauidao.......oh you get it
late to this lol but here is my prediction so i can leave a comment for your algorithm: pep will do better due to his higher tactics ratings. and that's a shame because i want klopp to do better
saul milovanovic was an absolute monster for me in fm20, looking a lil worse off this time around lol
Loved it
RELEASE THE SECOND ONE!!! ive been refreshing for ages now 😂
I reckon after 5 it’ll be Pep, then at the 10 year mark it’ll be Klopp then after 15 it’ll be Klopp
Fitness in my opinion is really important in semi pro level, so the edge is to Kloop
But, in pro level, I see guardiola doing better.
I would bet that in the end guardiola will win this. (And I’m a kloop fan)
Wouldn't it have been quicker for past Jack to just run 2 separate FM saves with Klopp and Pep at Dover on either save then compare their respective 15 years?
Possibly but I think having them coexist is much more interesting for comparing their performances and watching the rivalry play out!
Tj detweiller, hahah! TENDER!!
Good to see Altrincham being as bad on your game, as they were on mine in the first year :D - going to stick with Klopp being better
Kloop will be better because of hit fitness focus. Once pep gets to the higher decisions then I think he will start to shine
Did the managers stay true to their philosophies? Formations are obviously the same, but did Pep, for example, play positive, very short passing, low tempo football at this level?
I’m currently Newcastle manager, I have Atlanta as an affiliate, however I cannot loan any players out to them without having an mls style contract, does anyone know how to do this?
How do you ensure that the managers don't leave before the end of their contract?
In real life I think it would be Klopp.
He’s a much more well rounded manager, he’s very charismatic and has a disarming nature.
I feel he would command the respect of semi-pro working class players.
Klopp is also amazing at getting the most out of a player, knowing their core strengths and almost min-maxing irl.
Pep will 100% win this challenge in game.
His reputation will play a massive factor in attracting talent, his adaptability makes him suitable for this league and his tactical attribute will mean he can handle any match situation.
However irl I feel pep would struggle, unlike Klopp who gets the best out of a player, Pep is amazing at coaching and developing a player, however non league is very limited.
Pep also has created a brand of football that is technically demanding, we haven’t seen anything else from Pep.
Lastly and more importantly is Pep’s attitude that has been known to create conflict, eg: Ibra & Eto’o, I do not think a 29 year old brick layer would take kindly to his occasional & seemingly belittling persona!
I'm gonna say klopp no idea why..... I just have a feeling 👍😂
Nice video, but why did they start with -12 points?
Because in real life Dover started the season with -12 points
Why points deduction for forfeiting matches ?
In real like think klopp would edge it, the players under him will grow incredibly
is TJ Detwieler an actual player or just a Recess reference? 😂
Reference 🤣
Jack how did you not name klopps dover klover
Is that Joe Linton Pep has in his team?
you killed Weymouth you monster!!!
someone finally noticed... 🤣
@@WorkTheSpace Well aside from being Dorset's premier FM creator I am also Weymouth's stadium announcer - you just put me out of a job ha ha !!!
14:06 11 1-1 draws in a row!!!
I'm thinking klopp might have more cult like moments where pep might be consistent let's see! Aha
Wtf. I’m called Tom Kirkwood.
Pep did a better job negotiating his contract tho...hmm..
I think Klopp will do better because he is in my opinion better at working with “worse players”
Not convinced managers make any difference. Also, on these experiments, if the matches aren’t being simmed in full detail than the results could just be random?
The matches are simmed in full detail using the play in background option for other teams matches in FM22's preferences