one thing I have found quite obvious when rebuilding engines is that a lack of maintenance and abuse is the one of the main issues, this is what I find and some surprises inside engines, I check the oil in machines at farm clearing sales I go to, and what I find is the engine oil in every tractor is yucky black and extremely dirty, so its buyer beware I reckon when buying machinery, but that's a good thing for mechanics, thanks onelonelyfarmer for sharing your work.
Wes you seem to check only the half of the powerquad. When you took of the rear end plate you should have pulled out the planet carrier. There is the traction clutch. In the front you also need to take out the the piston house wich is hold by a little screw at the undersite of the transmission. Behind is is the clutchplate of the 3 gear wich probably is also broken. Common problem is the splines on the drum wear out so the clutchplate turns free. you seem also not to change any of the clutch pistons which can give oil pressure leaks wich causes the powerquad to slip. Just some tips i don't mean to comment you in a bad way.Greetings from Holland
Hey Wes, I don't know much about tractors, but I build automatic transmissions, 40 years now, and I can tell you for sure, the steel plates that are damaged, I can see the damage in your video, will make quick work of the new clutch disks. You need to do your self a favor and take that back apart and replace any and all the steel plates that aren't smooth, If they are goulded at all, there junk. The hydraulic pistons that apply the clutch packs also need to be inspected, though, in my opinion, the disk look damaged like you said from the wrong oil, or water, causing the fiber to unbond, if the apply pistons where malfunctioning, the disk would be burnt, which they don't seam to be.. I'm a subscriber, and a fan of your videos, just trying to help you.. Cheers,
I ended up with 5 or 6 of the old style hospital lunch trays that roll feet first under the bed and present a table over the bed. I paid a quarter each for them at a nursing home salvage sale. They work great for presenting parts in cases like that. A TV dinner tray does too.
Wes with all the maintenance and repairs you do in your shop you could justify a really nice heated shop. There is a farmer down the road from my house that just built a super nice shop for his farm. The bad thing is the only work they do on their equipment is installing new pans on disks, changing out sweeps on cultivators and oil changes. What a waste of a nice facility. You do more work in your small shop over the winter than they do all year.
I was not implying that Wes needed to clean up his shop. I know why he likes it messy. I was just stating that if anyone deserves to have a nice heated shop to work on it his Wes. He uses the hell out of his shop.
My concern at this point is where has all the disc material gone and it will have a filter/pick up screen somewhere too. There is going to be quite a lot of it somewhere in the system. if it has a seperate reservoir, shine a light into it an look for debris in the bottom. I've found a good way to clean out res/tanks is to through in some old nuts and bolts ,some solvent and give it a shake and that will move the crap that sticks to the bottom of the tank.
Wes, you really should have replaced the steel backing rings for the clutch plates. The scoring and heat marks will wear the clutch facings and they might wear out prematurely. Any clutch facing that has scoring or heat marks should always be replaced so the new parts can have a smooth component to apply against. That being said, the worn parts that you reinstalled will still work, just not as well as new ones will.
Your trip looked amazing you should build yourself a nice shop you guys deserve it put that woodmizer to good use. You could do repairs all winter when you felt like doing them or making some extra money I'm sure people would rather take their equipment to you over the dealer any day
i worked as a JD mechanic in 73-75 we had a low hour under warranty 4430 with hi low quad range find neutral after 30 minutes it would not pull in low or high range. the factory tech came and we tore it down to bare castings and put a complete overhaul kit in it. it ran for an hour and did it agin. JD sent a new tractor direct off the line and switched the sn plate and loaded the other motionless 4430 up and sent it back to R&D to find the problem which no one could find the cause. now as to what causes that kind of plate failure in some units overheated oil will do it . we had one that the farmer let the transmission oil cooler get plugged with dirt and he ignored the trans oil temp gauge and fried his tranny..
if you don't have the manual to RTFM why not go back and watch the video of you taking it apart; this video is IMHO just for us to watch while you reassemble, but the disassembly video is/was for your (& our) video viewing edification, just sayin stihl LOVE YOUR CHANNEL "cub"
I can smell that stinky torpedo heater all the way down here in Maryland. Next winters project for you: A coal fired heater capable of also burning waste motor oil WITH a water heat exchanger built in so that you can pump hot water through hi-temp flexable hose to an old tractor radiator anywhere in the shop as a zone heater.
Just my 2 cents I think the tractor was run dam near out of oil once the damage was done it does not matter what it was filled with. They may have got a bit more distance out of it but the end results were going to be the same.
You realy need to invest in a tripod for the shop cause when you hand the camera to Tim he bounces all around, you don't but he does. And also a magnetic one. So how was your trip and did you enjoy getting away from the farm. Who went with you?
he don't need to insulate that shop, just build better doors that seal, my first shop was built from poles, with high grade hay tarps, and in -40 it would be at 70 deg. with just a good wood furnace with an oil drip, the door tarp wrapped around the sides of the building and folded on the ground, we piles snow on the bottom fold, nice and warm, we kept the fire burning 24/7, at night it would drop to about 30 deg. but we would reeve up the fire in the morning 5am and with in an hour or so, it was up to 70, tools were always warm, the dirt floor never froze
The time you spend in that barn warrants a sealed door and some better heating. It must be difficult working in cold with wind blowing in all the time. Why not fix that so you can work in comfort? Do a video on it and maybe get some local carpenters to donate some time for publicity.
Hi Wes and Tim I enjoying yours videos from i think begining.i realy like yours chanel,it's the best on youtube,for sure.can you please guys if you will want do some video about your tools what you r using.thanks
ironmules MC Yeah, that inner facing isn't going to last long rubbing up against that disc with the slagged up surface, but.oh well, that fail will be later on down the road I guess.
"Dang I say" and "Oh the joy" as rpeek would say. I bet you guys will figure it out. I need a used 65 hsp JD to work around my 75 acre place. Can't borrow the 2750 anymore. Any suggestions?
I'd be more concerned where all the De-laminated clutch facing went. Without a full dissassembly you might be flushing whats left of the facing material back through the whole system...thereby chewing up the new clutch packs. Unless you did while the camera was off
Looking good so far just wondering if you got those parts at your local jd parts boy that gave you the run around on that tool you wanted to borrow. I don't know anything about those 6200 's looks light duty with alum. cases but might be all right.
Hello sir . I have a JOHN DEERE 6115D the machine works well but it doesn't move forward and backward and there's a light on dashboard . And i checked the electricity works well it doesn't have any problems on electricity . So could you please guide me what shall i do and the problem is what?
So... Votes counted, verdicts in.. Build a nice shop with 4 million eight foot lights , with a concrete floor, work tables, nice overhead crane, waste oil heater and a pair of bib overhauls for Tim (more people has seen his ass than Anna Nicole Smith). You got a good kid there, so does your dad. Enjoy your videos. You can't beat country people, Regardless of what country.
allways wondering why you guys dont just build a good solid table and work on standing or sitting height , it would save you a lot of backproblems and sand dirt getting intoo everything i have a bad back allready and know how i got it ,
So I generally watch your videos on my iPhone, your last videos will play for about 4 seconds then stop, but it will play any other video? Any one have any ideas? Thanks
the main part why the clutch packs separate, is shit parts, we have had new pack install and fail in less then a year, JD imports crap, to cut costs, and keep there pricing though the roof
onelonleyfarmer did you fly over there via the atlantic route or did you go via the pacific route? (There used to be an arctic route but I don't know if that still exists.)
one thing I have found quite obvious when rebuilding engines is that a lack of maintenance and abuse is the one of the main issues, this is what I find and some surprises inside engines, I check the oil in machines at farm clearing sales I go to, and what I find is the engine oil in every tractor is yucky black and extremely dirty, so its buyer beware I reckon when buying machinery, but that's a good thing for mechanics, thanks onelonelyfarmer for sharing your work.
Wes you seem to check only the half of the powerquad. When you took of the rear end plate you should have pulled out the planet carrier. There is the traction clutch. In the front you also need to take out the the piston house wich is hold by a little screw at the undersite of the transmission. Behind is is the clutchplate of the 3 gear wich probably is also broken. Common problem is the splines on the drum wear out so the clutchplate turns free. you seem also not to change any of the clutch pistons which can give oil pressure leaks wich causes the powerquad to slip. Just some tips i don't mean to comment you in a bad way.Greetings from Holland
Hey Wes, I don't know much about tractors, but I build automatic transmissions, 40 years now, and I can tell you for sure, the steel plates that are damaged, I can see the damage in your video, will make quick work of the new clutch disks. You need to do your self a favor and take that back apart and replace any and all the steel plates that aren't smooth, If they are goulded at all, there junk.
The hydraulic pistons that apply the clutch packs also need to be inspected, though, in my opinion, the disk look damaged like you said from the wrong oil, or water, causing the fiber to unbond, if the apply pistons where malfunctioning, the disk would be burnt, which they don't seam to be..
I'm a subscriber, and a fan of your videos, just trying to help you..
Cheers,
Hey guys. Is this the same gearbox as the 6410?
I ended up with 5 or 6 of the old style hospital lunch trays that roll feet first under the bed and present a table over the bed. I paid a quarter each for them at a nursing home salvage sale. They work great for presenting parts in cases like that. A TV dinner tray does too.
Wes with all the maintenance and repairs you do in your shop you could justify a really nice heated shop. There is a farmer down the road from my house that just built a super nice shop for his farm. The bad thing is the only work they do on their equipment is installing new pans on disks, changing out sweeps on cultivators and oil changes. What a waste of a nice facility. You do more work in your small shop over the winter than they do all year.
The first prioritys are a bunch of john deere or IH signs and refrigerator full of beer.
guy tremblay his shop is a mess for a reasonyour tools dont get up and walk away when no one knows where anything is
I was not implying that Wes needed to clean up his shop. I know why he likes it messy. I was just stating that if anyone deserves to have a nice heated shop to work on it his Wes. He uses the hell out of his shop.
If he heated his shop, more rats would move in and start eating that big pile of soybeans he has stored in there!
My concern at this point is where has all the disc material gone and it will have a filter/pick up screen somewhere too. There is going to be quite a lot of it somewhere in the system. if it has a seperate reservoir, shine a light into it an look for debris in the bottom. I've found a good way to clean out res/tanks is to through in some old nuts and bolts ,some solvent and give it a shake and that will move the crap that sticks to the bottom of the tank.
I love Those black rubber gloves when they get wet with oil they look great.
Wes, you really should have replaced the steel backing rings for the clutch plates. The scoring and heat marks will wear the clutch facings and they might wear out prematurely. Any clutch facing that has scoring or heat marks should always be replaced so the new parts can have a smooth component to apply against. That being said, the worn parts that you reinstalled will still work, just not as well as new ones will.
I think your mechanical videos are my favorites. Keep up the good work.
Your trip looked amazing you should build yourself a nice shop you guys deserve it put that woodmizer to good use. You could do repairs all winter when you felt like doing them or making some extra money I'm sure people would rather take their equipment to you over the dealer any day
Can't wait to see it back together again!
It's good to have you back Wes :)
i worked as a JD mechanic in 73-75 we had a low hour under warranty 4430 with hi low quad range find neutral after 30 minutes it would not pull in low or high range. the factory tech came and we tore it down to bare castings and put a complete overhaul kit in it. it ran for an hour and did it agin. JD sent a new tractor direct off the line and switched the sn plate and loaded the other motionless 4430 up and sent it back to R&D to find the problem which no one could find the cause. now as to what causes that kind of plate failure in some units overheated oil will do it . we had one that the farmer let the transmission oil cooler get plugged with dirt and he ignored the trans oil temp gauge and fried his tranny..
You are a great fixer upperer of things good job keep up the great videos
if you don't have the manual to RTFM why not go back and watch the video of you taking it apart; this video is IMHO just for us to watch while you reassemble, but the disassembly video is/was for your (& our) video viewing edification, just sayin stihl LOVE YOUR CHANNEL "cub"
That needs to come completely apart. Thats alot of tear down to redo it.
I can smell that stinky torpedo heater all the way down here in Maryland.
Next winters project for you: A coal fired heater capable of also burning waste motor oil WITH a water heat exchanger built in so that you can pump hot water through hi-temp flexable hose to an old tractor radiator anywhere in the shop as a zone heater.
Agree those gun heaters will make you sick .....water stove with oil burner back up and two radistors with fans
Just my 2 cents I think the tractor was run dam near out of oil once the damage was done it does not matter what it was filled with. They may have got a bit more distance out of it but the end results were going to be the same.
You realy need to invest in a tripod for the shop cause when you hand the camera to Tim he bounces all around, you don't but he does. And also a magnetic one. So how was your trip and did you enjoy getting away from the farm. Who went with you?
Balls deep into that mate love it!
With all that scoring on pressure plate and steel plates, you will be doing this again
getting it done good job so far
Who doesn't love MAJO ??? nice French fries and majo and ketchup is the bomb :-) Nice project I been watching and it's looking great.
he don't need to insulate that shop, just build better doors that seal, my first shop was built from poles, with high grade hay tarps, and in -40 it would be at 70 deg. with just a good wood furnace with an oil drip, the door tarp wrapped around the sides of the building and folded on the ground, we piles snow on the bottom fold, nice and warm, we kept the fire burning 24/7, at night it would drop to about 30 deg. but we would reeve up the fire in the morning 5am and with in an hour or so, it was up to 70, tools were always warm, the dirt floor never froze
The time you spend in that barn warrants a sealed door and some better heating. It must be difficult working in cold with wind blowing in all the time. Why not fix that so you can work in comfort? Do a video on it and maybe get some local carpenters to donate some time for publicity.
Thank god thats for you self and not for a customer! Holy crap what a mess....
Hi Wes and Tim I enjoying yours videos from i think begining.i realy like yours chanel,it's the best on youtube,for sure.can you please guys if you will want do some video about your tools what you r using.thanks
great transmission work!!!
I cant believe I missed this one! sheesh. now I have to dig through and see what else I msised. Well darn it all anyways
first....
You never replaced the main traction clutch discs forward or even figured out where they are Wes
the innermost plate with the bad scores should be replaced just my opinion.
Or maybe have it re-surfaced if within specs! But then you would need spec manual, which I haven't seen, unless it's if camera.
ironmules MC Yeah, that inner facing isn't going to last long rubbing up against that disc with the slagged up surface, but.oh well, that fail will be later on down the road I guess.
probably just fixing to trade in and let the next sucker have all the luck!
Great music!
"Dang I say" and "Oh the joy" as rpeek would say. I bet you guys will figure it out.
I need a used 65 hsp JD to work around my 75 acre place. Can't borrow the 2750 anymore. Any suggestions?
I would have had that cluch plate machined, if I was keeping it, but I can see why you left it
You replace it you don't machine it.....
Wes my concern is you done more John Deere fixing than me and every one commenting. So fix it and roll the birch out the door.
Boy, those friction plates sure look familiar. Too bad you couldn't find out who manufactured them. Looks like questionable bond on parts.
dog gone id like to meet you one of these freaken days
I'd be more concerned where all the De-laminated clutch facing went. Without a full dissassembly you might be flushing whats left of the facing material back through the whole system...thereby chewing up the new clutch packs. Unless you did while the camera was off
Wes, With all of the fire wood that you have why don't you put a wood stove in the shop
Looking good so far just wondering if you got those parts at your local jd parts boy that gave you the run around on that tool you wanted to borrow. I don't know anything about those 6200 's looks light duty with alum. cases but might be all right.
nice fix
was all that damage cause by using the wrong oil or were there other factors involved
Hello sir . I have a JOHN DEERE 6115D the machine works well but it doesn't move forward and backward and there's a light on dashboard . And i checked the electricity works well it doesn't have any problems on electricity . So could you please guide me what shall i do and the problem is what?
flat bed ford slowing down to take a look at me.. ( take it easy) by the eagles great tune.. great video wes loved that thankyou...
wes take pictures when striping down it is a lot better when putting it back together ??
I agree there are previous videos but did wes film every stage of the tear down..
So... Votes counted, verdicts in.. Build a nice shop with 4 million eight foot lights , with a concrete floor, work tables, nice overhead crane, waste oil heater and a pair of bib overhauls for Tim (more people has seen his ass than Anna Nicole Smith). You got a good kid there, so does your dad. Enjoy your videos. You can't beat country people, Regardless of what country.
wes look on the bright side at least you didn't drop the damn things in the hydraulic fluid
OK, I have to say it since no one else has! What's up with Tim, sure has gotten more vocal since you came back from vacation?
Must of got a lady friend? Or we missed him that much lol
As a heating and air tech I'm a little concerned about running that kerosene heater blasting you guys with Carbon Monoxide.
guy tremblay but they are basically breathing the exhaust which could be well over 100ppm
allways wondering why you guys dont just build a good solid table and work on standing or sitting height , it would save you a lot of backproblems and sand dirt getting intoo everything
i have a bad back allready and know how i got it ,
My thought exactly, my knees hurt just watching Wes crouch while working!
I have a question do anybody soak those part in oil for long time or not
What kind of fluid does this transmission use ?
Thanks , :-)
God bless
Wyr
So I generally watch your videos on my iPhone, your last videos will play for about 4 seconds then stop, but it will play any other video? Any one have any ideas? Thanks
Part of your warranty is I do the maintenance and you pay me monthly for this service
At 16:00ish you’re not singing that song in late 2019
Tim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the main part why the clutch packs separate, is shit parts, we have had new pack install and fail in less then a year, JD imports crap, to cut costs, and keep there pricing though the roof
You have to run your tractor not let it sit. if you let it sit it will do this everytime....
Blaming Tim for you dropping a bolt/spring. LOL put your hands around it
Are u home or is this a video u recorded early
voice like snoop dogg the worker
why is this video up at 5:31 am this morning
***** Thems normal workin' hours! Lol
jet lag!!! so i am up all night editing
onelonleyfarmer The things you do for us. LOL
onelonleyfarmer did you fly over there via the atlantic route or did you go via the pacific route? (There used to be an arctic route but I don't know if that still exists.)
Steven Hardy i went over the top of the world...
What's the music at 14:45?
I bet you go through a lot of washing machines!! lol
I know I'm just a pansy city boy, but knee deep in kitty litter and mud with kerosene exhaust blowing on me, yuck.
craigleemehan Like you said city boy