There is a cable lubricator for bike cables. Pre lubricating prior to installing the new cable would give you a lot longer life. I don’t have a Ferrari, but I do have a 1977 fiat spider 124. God bless. From USA.
Unfortunately, the metal part of the door lock looks like in the Fiat Tempra or Lancia Kappa (Iveco also has a similar one). But the rest of the door lock is different. It may be that the metal part is shared, but the rest is dedicated to Ferrari
I've had a a 360 for 13 years and I've had to do the cables twice. They actually get wet at the top and rust. AW Italian have them as last set Ferrari said they weren't making them anymore.
I had exactly the same issue on another car when it was freezing cold in the mornings. Since it's temperature related, if you leave the car running and have the cabin heating to the max, you might just about get it to work if the door becomes just that little bit warmer. Worth a try for those cases where you are stuck somewhere and the "neutral gear" safety feature won't let you drive off.
There is an adjustment on the cable (bottom end). At least in a pinch when you don't have an extra, I bet moving the adjustment nuts would buy you a lot of time (?)
In general, be careful with lubricating these. Grease can pick up mud or even dust which means the over time lubricant becomes a thick goo that accelerates wear in the end. Sometimes no lubricant is specified.
you are right Mark I should have. To be honest at £12 every 5-10 years I'm not to worried. If it was a case of having to order the complete $300 lock again ..... 100% they would be lubricated !!!
The cable should be lubricated and the bare wire should have had a flexible rubber bellow covering the wire part. Then the Bowden cable would run smooth forever. You see this on almost all mountain bike brakes.
Suggest you relube all cables like that with DuPont Krytox grease. Damned expensive, but works from 700F to -70F, never migrates or degrades. Inert to all caustic chemicals. You'll never need to reapply it, or worry about corroded cables.
Buy a cable oiler (seals between the sheath and cable then you spray in some wd40 or whatever with the plastic tube attachment) like we use on our bike cables. Adjust it and should be fine to keep using if it's not frayed.
Thats what i was thinking , you can quite easily bring the old cable back to life by squirting wd40 or some solvent down it then use the cable oiler .Had this problem on a car i had .Top and bottom of it is ,is it stops the latch on the locking mech from going back ,so its always open.The cable probably not even stretched , the system needs free play in the cables anyway
I had a similar issue with the inner door handle on the passenger side door of my 360 Spider. In my case the yellow tab on the door latch mechanism had rotated out and the cable end had simply popped out of the lock mechanism.
Cheers Kevin its just a car with a pretty badge and expensive parts. I'm trying to demystify the idea that these cars are untouchable. The more videos I do fixing these things the more viewers will be happy doing the same thing.
just inject the cable with pure cooling fluid...i worked at a fiat dealer and we did this all the time..it was a original modification for the fiat stilo...always freezing cables,the cooling fluid also lubricates
Great vid as ever Scott. While that door card was off, you should have covered the micro switches for the window lowering and door locking. Crazy price for the small wiring harness with a plug and microswitch from Ferrari (c£190) ... fixed mine with an identical microswitch from eBay for around £1.80
Interesting Nice, I know exactly what part you mean. Didn't realise they were that expensive, I have one sitting in the garage somewhere from the 360 of old. Wish I had know this before as would have included it.
I would not use lithium grease. It eventually dries out and gets sticky. I have seen this on old cars with manual windows that were difficult to roll up and down. Removed the door panels and saw the old lithium grease. Cleaned it all off then applied something more like chassis grease and never had an issue for the next 7 years up until I sold it
I did a little search and this came up b792 lancia lybra lock looks very similar just an extra plastic cover, quite a few listed on eBay, also comes up fiat punto by they do look different. Don’t know if that helps
Hey a new mic!! I can hear you loud and clear no matter where you go! Sounds great..thank you!! P.S. Can you spray silicone spray in that cable to free it up? I know with my VW hood release cable i spray some in there every few months to keep it moving..or else im locked out and have to cut the handle.
Cheers Scott, i'm doing a bit better with sound quality on my latest videos (I can tell as i'm getting far less complaints LOL) I just forgot the balance the sound on the previous video ..... thats rushing it out !! The problem with spraying the cables is getting access to them
@ratarossa you can with acid-free vaseline you can lubricate the cable that helps against rusting tip of a bicycle repairman looks strongly like the cable of a bike
Be interesting to see how much a Ferrari dealer would charge for this simple fix .One thing for sure is you can bet a pound to a pinch of salt that it wont be the cable at fault ,but the whole lock mech .2hr labour later and the VAT 1K thank you
Have you not seen the Rob Ferretti fix for this? (when you can't drive the car because it is showing the door open) You buy a second trouser belt and loop it through your door handle, then attach it to your jeans. Get's you home! 😂🤣
can you not just send that cable to a bike shop for a repair and keep it as the redundant spare ... I know motor bikes and push bikes you can get cables repaired
Completly soak the new cable in 3 in 1 from the can (not the aerosol version) it will hav better protection from corrosion. Some mechanics do this to mechanical handbrake cables when they are replacing them.
When you put a new one in, use some WD-40 or other grease/oil and spray it inside the cable as best you can. This will stop rust and junk from getting in there. I've had good luck with that on my cars and cables.
Another great vid! Keep them coming. Just a question: could the old cable not have been freed up with wd40 or whatever and then greased/lubed and re-used?
I had to replace the same exact type cable on my 2004 American branded minivan. Tell me why I paid 50% more than you did for a Ferrari cable... Why are Ferraris so cheap to fix? Haha
it must be possibel to oil the cabel and adjust it with the cabeladjuster,the one with the 2 8 mm nuts. thats what i do when my moped cabels,the front brake,the clutch,throttelcabel have a problem not operating like they should!??
The problem is Henk, to get to the cable and oil it is quite and annoying process for the sake of £12 it's probably worth changing it every 5 years as preventive maintenance.
LOL, its very funny. I did the video at the weekend, then Sam used my footage and put his face on, I then reused that with his face on in this video. So that footage I shot driving the CS last week has been used 3 time in a few days
A very badly design cable fixing system, obviously they weren't taught the K.I.S.S. motto. WD-40 bath and then a copper paste stuffing will keep it working a long time.
Wow...... I love your vids I really do. Not may folks have the balls to to rear apart these "exotic" cars themselves. I greatly admire your comitment to fix problems yourself and follow them through in detail. Til you know exactly what is at fault and why...... Im amazed that a car of that price tag, would have such a fucking mess behind the door panel. The window mechanism and wiring are shocking. Maybe its because Im used to working on Vws, where things seem to be much better thought out. Anyway, keep the vids coming.👍
Actually, WD40 can freeze up. Best thing to to (when not replacing the cable) is to use sewing machine oil. That really lubricates the cable and cable housing.
thats funny as the cabbles on my cars (not a ferrari) window mechanism failed this week and as the rubber was gone already the damn thing has to come out anyway luckly i got something u both are missing a propper workshop XD with a lift and toolbox but i do most stuff on the street just like you 2 XD
@@Ratarossa if you need help with Fiat codes or how to get parts let me know.. I'm Italian: if you need translations or other stuff... I'm currently living in China..
Most new wires has a coating inside that makes the steel wire float free. My tip is to lubricate it later when used. Works fine for me on bikes at least :)
Really? How many Ferrari owners would be willing to do that (.05%), especially in a shopping center parking lot (.005%)? They would call the Ferrari dealership and have it picked up, hopefully in less then three hours (If their a good customer). ;-) I would hope that's, at worse a once in the cars lifetime repair?
If you have any competence around cars this is not a difficult repair. If you are the type of car guy who has dreamed of owning a Ferrari and have worked on cars and finally bought yourself a Ferrari, this is simple. If you are a Ferrari owner who can afford $500K on a new car plus the depreciation, you are correct and probabaly your time is more valuable than paying the 2 hour labour cost to get this done. Then again the person who buys the new Ferrari may not even own it by the time the car gets old enough and this becomes a problem. I fall into the first category and fixed this myself.
@@TairnKA having the knowledge first will help you achieve your goal. You first learn on other cars as I have. Learning ahead of time allows you to also save a lot of money if you are the average working man who just has a passion for cars rather than spending their money on other hobbies such a golf. Once you have those skills they are transferable between different cars. Each car will their own idiosyncrasies and you will troubleshoot different problems, but in the end all cars are a collection of a bunch of nuts and bolts that you loosen and tighten
You would be very surprised how often this problem occurs. Typically the cables will last 5-10years. As you can see with the knowledge and two tools (allen key for door cars and 8mm spanner) it can be fixed for £12. Agreed its not something you are likely to do in a car park but in most cases like mine on the Stradale you get an early warning sign where it will randomly not close and you can feel the handle extend too much, it's then you put aside and hour at the weekend and £12 to fix it yourself ...... to you take it to a dealer and get charged £185+VAT and hour and probably much more than just a cable to repair.
The funny thing is this is a real message I left to you, and I didn't get a response, I just got this video link!
Samcrac A video speaks a thousand words 🤣🤣🤣
Got to get views somehow
Notorious 360/F430 failure point. Thanks for showing the repair in detail!
There is a cable lubricator for bike cables. Pre lubricating prior to installing the new cable would give you a lot longer life.
I don’t have a Ferrari, but I do have a 1977 fiat spider 124.
God bless. From USA.
Unfortunately, the metal part of the door lock looks like in the Fiat Tempra or Lancia Kappa (Iveco also has a similar one). But the rest of the door lock is different. It may be that the metal part is shared, but the rest is dedicated to Ferrari
Brilliant, I had this issue with my 360. Thanks for the video
I've had a a 360 for 13 years and I've had to do the cables twice. They actually get wet at the top and rust. AW Italian have them as last set Ferrari said they weren't making them anymore.
I had exactly the same issue on another car when it was freezing cold in the mornings. Since it's temperature related, if you leave the car running and have the cabin heating to the max, you might just about get it to work if the door becomes just that little bit warmer. Worth a try for those cases where you are stuck somewhere and the "neutral gear" safety feature won't let you drive off.
There is an adjustment on the cable (bottom end). At least in a pinch when you don't have an extra, I bet moving the adjustment nuts would buy you a lot of time (?)
Yeh but the cable is not releasing back because its to tight in the outer part , so this stops the lock from latching on , its always open
The Holy Trinity of Italian unreliability...Fiat. Lancia. Ferrari! Keep the videos coming.
I think you should lubricate the new cable before fitting ?
Mark Toohey just like any bike cable. I certainly would!
In general, be careful with lubricating these. Grease can pick up mud or even dust which means the over time lubricant becomes a thick goo that accelerates wear in the end. Sometimes no lubricant is specified.
Silicone spray lube..with the straw..shoot it down the cable. I do that with my vw hood latch release every few months.
you are right Mark I should have. To be honest at £12 every 5-10 years I'm not to worried. If it was a case of having to order the complete $300 lock again ..... 100% they would be lubricated !!!
@@Ratarossa i would just buy a can of the dry lube and the next time you have the door card off for any reason give it a little spray.
The cable should be lubricated and the bare wire should have had a flexible rubber bellow covering the wire part. Then the Bowden cable would run smooth forever. You see this on almost all mountain bike brakes.
You are the one, never scared by anything on a Ferrari :-) Impressive
I will always give it my best shot Matthieu
Suggest you relube all cables like that with DuPont Krytox grease. Damned expensive, but works from 700F to -70F, never migrates or degrades. Inert to all caustic chemicals. You'll never need to reapply it, or worry about corroded cables.
A cable oiler is dead cheap, ends then greased with Vaseline and mountain bike bellows maybe.
Buy a cable oiler (seals between the sheath and cable then you spray in some wd40 or whatever with the plastic tube attachment) like we use on our bike cables. Adjust it and should be fine to keep using if it's not frayed.
Thats what i was thinking , you can quite easily bring the old cable back to life by squirting wd40 or some solvent down it then use the cable oiler .Had this problem on a car i had .Top and bottom of it is ,is it stops the latch on the locking mech from going back ,so its always open.The cable probably not even stretched , the system needs free play in the cables anyway
Another super video - top class Rata mate 👍
Next Samcrac video: "Building a Ferrari chicken coop".
@John :G Samcrac's chickens even seem to like posing to the pictures on the car.
£2 bike cables also usually come teflon coated and pre-streched :-)
The ends are different so youd have a join that defeats the point
Is it not worth soaking that internal cable with silicon spray? It'll keep water out and keep it lubricated.
6:03 This is like Rearranging your Garage in Sunshine Autos in GTA Vice City :'D
I had a similar issue with the inner door handle on the passenger side door of my 360 Spider. In my case the yellow tab on the door latch mechanism had rotated out and the cable end had simply popped out of the lock mechanism.
yes that can also happen, luckily those tab's are also available (if they break)
Spouse will not allow me a Ferrari. Really happy now.
The lock assembly on a Fiat 127 is probably the same quality to this.
I had a 127 :)
Back doors of a Fiat Grande Punto suffer from stretching cables when it's warm outside and won't open.
That little red Porsche is lovely. .When are we going to see a "Fixed the 911" video . . Oh hang on , it's a Porsche so it won't break!!!! Hehehehe
I love seeing someone work on any Ferrari, like it's just some 1995 Ford minivan.
Cheers Kevin its just a car with a pretty badge and expensive parts. I'm trying to demystify the idea that these cars are untouchable. The more videos I do fixing these things the more viewers will be happy doing the same thing.
just inject the cable with pure cooling fluid...i worked at a fiat dealer and we did this all the time..it was a original modification for the fiat stilo...always freezing cables,the cooling fluid also lubricates
very interesting that the dealer did this to.
@@Ratarossa so try it out :P
Good idea coolant takes ages to evaporate
Great video Sam I mean Scott - UK weather not helping but gosh what a nice V8 Fiat Lancia
LOL cheers Malcolm
Great vid as ever Scott. While that door card was off, you should have covered the micro switches for the window lowering and door locking.
Crazy price for the small wiring harness with a plug and microswitch from Ferrari (c£190) ... fixed mine with an identical microswitch from eBay for around £1.80
Interesting Nice, I know exactly what part you mean. Didn't realise they were that expensive, I have one sitting in the garage somewhere from the 360 of old. Wish I had know this before as would have included it.
My Fiat Mechanic would use Graphite on speedo cables. Not sure if that would A. Prevented the problem or B. Fix this problem
white lithium grease will lubricate and protect the cable - the aerosol version will make annual maintenance easy.
I would not use lithium grease. It eventually dries out and gets sticky. I have seen this on old cars with manual windows that were difficult to roll up and down. Removed the door panels and saw the old lithium grease. Cleaned it all off then applied something more like chassis grease and never had an issue for the next 7 years up until I sold it
I am sure you can get special marine grease
seems like you should pump that door cable full of molylube.. it will keep it from rusting and shaving.
good suggestion
Molylube ? Never heard of it, is it available in the US, if not what would be its equivalent ?
Plumbaman13 ask in a motorcycle shop, bickers have used it for years
Or ZX1
I did a little search and this came up b792 lancia lybra lock looks very similar just an extra plastic cover, quite a few listed on eBay, also comes up fiat punto by they do look different. Don’t know if that helps
Love your cars and videos plus contents. But as a car detailer i would love to se your cars properly washed, buffed, plished and protected ;)
FYI, the brake cable inner and outer for my bike costs £26 but that is for front and rear.
Hey a new mic!! I can hear you loud and clear no matter where you go! Sounds great..thank you!!
P.S. Can you spray silicone spray in that cable to free it up? I know with my VW hood release cable i spray some in there every few months to keep it moving..or else im locked out and have to cut the handle.
Cheers Scott, i'm doing a bit better with sound quality on my latest videos (I can tell as i'm getting far less complaints LOL) I just forgot the balance the sound on the previous video ..... thats rushing it out !! The problem with spraying the cables is getting access to them
@ratarossa you can with acid-free vaseline you can lubricate the cable that helps against rusting tip of a bicycle repairman looks strongly like the cable of a bike
Excellent vid 👍
I do not have the assets to buy one, but, man, Ferraris are high-price junk. You buy a car like that to enjoy but only if you are wealthy.
Greetings from Berlin. Check Fiat Croma.Also Lancia Lybra 2.0 20v.I think is the same. B972 Code from left and right front doors. Chears!
ill check it out thanks
Be interesting to see how much a Ferrari dealer would charge for this simple fix .One thing for sure is you can bet a pound to a pinch of salt that it wont be the cable at fault ,but the whole lock mech .2hr labour later and the VAT 1K thank you
Great video. Can i ask where you got the red key from?
There has to be an equivalent part or else it wouldn't have been stamped Fiat-Lancia , maybe from a Croma or a Thema.
I can't find one thats the same
@@Ratarossa Just looked to see if the Fiat coupe was the same part but alas not.
Have you not seen the Rob Ferretti fix for this? (when you can't drive the car because it is showing the door open)
You buy a second trouser belt and loop it through your door handle, then attach it to your jeans. Get's you home! 😂🤣
LOL thats funny. Unfortunately it won't work on the F1 cars unless you also defeat the door closed switch, it just won't engage in gear
No it wont the lock needs to latch on
Why on earth didn't they put the adjuster at the other end where you can get to it a bit easier?
its £185 per hour plus VAT at a dealer labour ....maybe that answers the question LOL
can you not just send that cable to a bike shop for a repair and keep it as the redundant spare ... I know motor bikes and push bikes you can get cables repaired
Well, you can use some "anti seize" in the cable maybe.
It's a good suggestion to maybe apply some when the cable is new
Completly soak the new cable in 3 in 1 from the can (not the aerosol version) it will hav better protection from corrosion. Some mechanics do this to mechanical handbrake cables when they are replacing them.
When you put a new one in, use some WD-40 or other grease/oil and spray it inside the cable as best you can. This will stop rust and junk from getting in there. I've had good luck with that on my cars and cables.
Another great vid! Keep them coming. Just a question: could the old cable not have been freed up with wd40 or whatever and then greased/lubed and re-used?
Temporarily, yes. But it doesn’t last as long as one might think.
I had to replace the same exact type cable on my 2004 American branded minivan. Tell me why I paid 50% more than you did for a Ferrari cable...
Why are Ferraris so cheap to fix? Haha
The lock assembly seems like the Alfa Romeo 166/Lancia K one.
Same connectors.
very likely, i believe the ferrari key blade is also the same as a fiat or alfa of that ere
MapOfEurasia Does it fit?
@@MyCockpitview I don't know, I don't have a Ferrari to test it.
Yeh the door internals are a lot like a 90s Alfa
Loved the intro. But let it go! 😉
LOL
Ratarossa 👍🏻 love the videos keep up the quality work.
The double nuts are to adjust the cable tension. Looks like it could of been tightened.
mine was right on the end of travel
I knew you knew but I didnt hear you say it to everyone. It was all the way one way so I assumed it wasn't tightened. Thanks for the reply
it must be possibel to oil the cabel and adjust it with the cabeladjuster,the one with the 2 8 mm nuts. thats what i do when my moped cabels,the front brake,the clutch,throttelcabel have a problem
not operating like they should!??
The problem is Henk, to get to the cable and oil it is quite and annoying process for the sake of £12 it's probably worth changing it every 5 years as preventive maintenance.
The fact that sooner or later I will buy a Ferrari it's your fault!!😂
Well you are learning how to maintain them ...so im saving you money for when you buy it
Does the 456 had the same problem when you started it?
Yes its also a problem on the 456 and I had to fix that on the project
Are these cables not available in stainless steel like bike cables?
this is ferrari .... thats a cash cow to them
@@Ratarossa Yeh its on the options list
should try boiling it with some washing liquid to see if it gets all the gunk out and frees it up.
The beginning reminds me of samcrac start to a video
Wrote this only like 40 seconds in
LOL, its very funny. I did the video at the weekend, then Sam used my footage and put his face on, I then reused that with his face on in this video. So that footage I shot driving the CS last week has been used 3 time in a few days
Ratarossa I thought it all looked a bit similar
Have you tried a heat gun on the sticky cable to loosen up the internal lube?
ill give that a shot tomorrow
A very badly design cable fixing system, obviously they weren't taught the K.I.S.S. motto.
WD-40 bath and then a copper paste stuffing will keep it working a long time.
copper grease goes hard with time
This Peugeot Rcz is yours?
Wow......
I love your vids I really do. Not may folks have the balls to to rear apart these "exotic" cars themselves. I greatly admire your comitment to fix problems yourself and follow them through in detail. Til you know exactly what is at fault and why......
Im amazed that a car of that price tag, would have such a fucking mess behind the door panel. The window mechanism and wiring are shocking. Maybe its because Im used to working on Vws, where things seem to be much better thought out.
Anyway, keep the vids coming.👍
Thanks buddy, appreciate the comment. They look pretty on the outside but behind those panel ....they are not VW quality LOL
WD40 is your friend
Actually, WD40 can freeze up. Best thing to to (when not replacing the cable) is to use sewing machine oil. That really lubricates the cable and cable housing.
Definitely try freeing it up lubricating and readjusting on those two lock nuts before going the new cable route!
Best ones is GT85 or dry bike chain as they dont freeze.
@@markbennett6658 It needs a bit of free play , or you will end up back with it not latching on
Surely a good squirt of WD40 inside the cable lining will prolong the life of the new cable plus prevent rust.
I was wondering if there was anything that could be done to prevent the gumup/rust...
what part number would that be?
thats funny as the cabbles on my cars (not a ferrari) window mechanism failed this week and as the rubber was gone already the damn thing has to come out anyway luckly i got something u both are missing a propper workshop XD with a lift and toolbox but i do most stuff on the street just like you 2 XD
I thought I had problems with my B5 S4...this is such a dumb issue to have...lol
Please not the grinch... please not. hitting play again to find out.... phew.
It seems from the video that the tensioner wasn't fully extended on the old cable. Or am I wrong?
No, I did test that but the actual inner cable had stretched also.
@@Ratarossa if you need help with Fiat codes or how to get parts let me know.. I'm Italian: if you need translations or other stuff... I'm currently living in China..
@@Ratarossa I got plenty of mechanics as friends
@@1977Timp Brilliant Alessandro, much appreciated.
@@Ratarossa my email is alex.77@inwind.it
Sam is too cheap to replace it. He’ll try to clean it. LOL.
Gosh man... those Ferraris that you own are in pretty bad shape.
Is that it ?
watching these videos it seems that Italians make shit cars, or am i jealous?
Same part as in the 500 >2007
Or X1.9
undrivable and unable to close or lock the doors.
thats security measure not risk :)
A lot of cars mainly autos are like this now , you can not put it into gear if the door open
Use some spray grease on the cables, it prevents them from binding in their sleeves.
Wouldn't it be a good idea to lube the new cables before fitting may well prevent it from running dry....
Most new wires has a coating inside that makes the steel wire float free. My tip is to lubricate it later when used. Works fine for me on bikes at least :)
Funny a V8 Fiat ....
I wouldn't mind a V6 Fiat Dino !!!
tell Sam you Crac'ed it.....
Surprised you don't pronounce Lancia in the correct, Italian way!
The style of dialogue is very “ Nogin the Nog”
Really? How many Ferrari owners would be willing to do that (.05%), especially in a shopping center parking lot (.005%)?
They would call the Ferrari dealership and have it picked up, hopefully in less then three hours (If their a good customer). ;-)
I would hope that's, at worse a once in the cars lifetime repair?
If you have any competence around cars this is not a difficult repair. If you are the type of car guy who has dreamed of owning a Ferrari and have worked on cars and finally bought yourself a Ferrari, this is simple. If you are a Ferrari owner who can afford $500K on a new car plus the depreciation, you are correct and probabaly your time is more valuable than paying the 2 hour labour cost to get this done. Then again the person who buys the new Ferrari may not even own it by the time the car gets old enough and this becomes a problem. I fall into the first category and fixed this myself.
If I could afford a Ferrari I'd have the facilities, knowledge to maintain, repair it and any other vehicles in my stable.
@@TairnKA having the knowledge first will help you achieve your goal. You first learn on other cars as I have. Learning ahead of time allows you to also save a lot of money if you are the average working man who just has a passion for cars rather than spending their money on other hobbies such a golf. Once you have those skills they are transferable between different cars. Each car will their own idiosyncrasies and you will troubleshoot different problems, but in the end all cars are a collection of a bunch of nuts and bolts that you loosen and tighten
@@Domcel When I was in my early 20s I took Auto Mechanics and Auto Body at a trade school but didn't end up in that field.
Now I'm retired. ;-)
You would be very surprised how often this problem occurs. Typically the cables will last 5-10years. As you can see with the knowledge and two tools (allen key for door cars and 8mm spanner) it can be fixed for £12. Agreed its not something you are likely to do in a car park but in most cases like mine on the Stradale you get an early warning sign where it will randomly not close and you can feel the handle extend too much, it's then you put aside and hour at the weekend and £12 to fix it yourself ...... to you take it to a dealer and get charged £185+VAT and hour and probably much more than just a cable to repair.
first thx for the vid!!
Ferrari's are already a major FIRE risk, so what's the big deal about a security risk? 😂
Try Fiat Uno.
I looked Ralph and they were very slightly different
I love sport cars, and owned some from, BMW, Porsche, Ferrari, both Ferrari I owned were a pain in the ass, don't buy these overpriced crap !
You may have come to the wrong channel!
Who cares