Aggressive Malinois Dutch Shepherd Training - No Prong Collar, No ECollar
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- I came upon Roxy and Eric at the park a few weeks ago. Roxy was going crazy when she saw my dogs. Eric put her back in his car and was about to leave. I convinced him to walk her and I'd keep my dogs inside. Janet asked him if he'd like to work with me. He agreed and confessed that he'd seen some of my videos and even hired another trainer to help with Roxy's aggression.
Roxy is a Belgian Malinois / Dutch Shepherd mix that he rescued a while back. Her reactivity to other dogs has kept him from really enjoying her so I asked some questions. The full version of this video is available in my members section, link below:
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He was trying the right things, but the wrong way. I felt that the prong collar was upsetting Roxy more than helping her. Keep in mind, I LOVE. prong collars and ecollars, but they are not always the right tool for every dog and every situation. This proved to be one of those situations. As you'll see, Roxy's transformation was pretty amazing, from a dog that was lunging at the end of her leash trying to get to Jimi, our black labrador retriever, to laying nicely next to him. All in about 15 minutes.
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Looks like Roberts been spending some time in the weight room!! 💪
How long before we get his official "natty or not"
@@overkill1025 lol...it will probably happen
"I don't want you playing with my wife" 🤣
Lol came out of left field with that one 🤣
True story that! 😂👍
I love a good analogy:) it’s how I best remember concepts . So not out of left field at all IMO:)
Robert Is Right on every account. I made the mistake early with my Shepherd APBT Husky Mix of letting him go to the dog park. As a result, he became reactive to every single dog we would see on a dog walk because he thought it was game on. I worked very hard to correct those behaviors but wish I never allowed him to engage to begin with. It is easier to prevent first than correct later. I'm doing a good job and has gotten much less reactive but now I do not let him play with anybody except for me!
This is not at all what he said. You probably messed up your dog's socialization phase. Desensitization at an early age is key to prevent reactiveness. You achieve that through exposure. _If something went wrong earlier,_ like in the video, and your dog _already is reactive,_ *then* you need to take a step back and approach it much more slowly. At no point was he saying that you need to keep every dog away from others. That's terrible dog ownership, it's absolutely going to lead to aggression and ruin your dog.
You messed something up at some point and created reactiveness in your dog. Okay. Now _that's_ a similar situation where you should take it slowly and bit by bit resocialize him. But it's the absolute wrong approach for training any other young dog that has yet to develop social skills. I actually can't believe that that's the message you apparently got from this video. Please get a professional to work with your dog instead of horribly misunderstanding some random TH-cam video.
a great example of understanding how to communicate with a dog and correct at the right time before using the leash. Very confident inspiring training.
Dude you are the best “I don’t want you playing with my wife she shouldn’t play with him…..”
I just want to thank you for teaching me so much in such a short time, I am an experienced dog owner, I had an American Bulldog x Staffordshire Bull terrier for 15 years, then he had to be put down last year, I swore I wouldnt get another dog but missed him, then my friend, a single mother had bought a Dutch sheperd x Malinios as a pet dog and obviously now I know thia was ahuge mistake on her part, thought with my experience I would be able to handle him, howeer I was wrong and he drove me mad, til I found these videos and learned all about the breed and how to train a working dog, I have gone from being at my wits end to building a truting relationship with my 6 month old Rebel. I love your no nonsense apporoach and straight forward advice. Keep up the good work Brother.
Jon, Birmingham, United Kingdom
so glad to help you along your path!!!
I just love the way the dogs look at him with so much trust He has such a calming energy
Brilliant I watched you video before I got my dog. Like 5 years before….
Now I’m a dog trainer. Brilliant
As you stated
Confusion and lack of communication / leadership
Add a twist of anxious energy on the part of the owner and BINGO
Seeing you calmly and assertively handling Roxy is all she needed.
Excellent demonstration and lesson.
Thanks you
It's refreshing to see a trainer who doesn't promote the use of prong and e-collars.
I actually think they are a great tool for the right situation.. not a one size fits all!
the British Military Canine Unit dont need to use prong or e-collars . So, it can be done, they are proof of that.
He told both of them down at the same time and they both listened...I need to understand dogs this well.
My lab does this when I train with another dog. If one dog already knows the command and is solid with it, they’ll typically do that command regardless if you are engaging with them specifically or not. It’s muscle memory for them.
You are just a natural. The dog feels your energy and just adores you!! You are so good with dogs!!!
Because he is a good leader with no anxious energy.
Great lesson - as always. Been using your videos to educate myself to help my B. M. We rescued two years ago. It is amazing how understanding how to be a leader; how to correct; how to praise; how to gain trust makes a world of difference in a dog’s happiness and calmness and behavioral success.
I’ve become a better leader through these leader me in my work life as well in thinking about what message I’m conveying, what I want to convey, praise and correction, staying calm and focused.
God, I only just discovered this channel & Robert Cabral, but this is amazing! I first tried the games/tricks with my own Malinois/Border Collie mix, and that's already such an improvement! Now onto teaching him to ignore other dogs!
1:07 look at those CHAD biceps
Woooo! Love this. Calm and clear, kind and sensible -- it's so inspiring to see hyped up dogs learn how to relax with their leader
If the owner knows what reaction/drive the dog will have/go into the handler/ owner should "issue a command" prior to unwanted behavior. It has worked with me Malinois. At all times One must be almost more vigilant than the dog, especially in training. If the dog goes into drive and you don't catch it prior, it's sometimes very difficult to recall. I've noticed this working for my dogs. By the way Mr. Cabral I'm the one that commented on your latest "Ted Talk"😂. "I said the ones that should see this never will". I'm letting you know or anybody really. Just letting everybody know what's working for me. He was a dog that was about to be put down. When i got him he wanted to bite anything that moved. I do like your work Sir. Have a great day.
Thank you for the videos. I just did what you did for the first time as a trainer myself and the reward of watching them lay nicely with another dog is amazing.
Amazing. Thank-you for all your hard work. Using your tips from both TH-cam, your AMAs, and your member's section long-form videos I've managed to turn my pup from a fear-reactive puppy into one that can play outside and not care about other dogs, people, or noises. This quick lesson was a treat to watch. So nice to have seen that doggy being able to just down next to Jimmi!
Robert, you have such a great gift at reading and understanding dogs. I'm continually impressed. Thanks.
You are seriously the most talented dog trainer/behaviorist I've ever watched. Thank you for sharing such valuable information!
Thank you sir Robert for showing this video, it means a lot to me, I had a 3 yr old Malinois crossbreed to Aspin and has the same issues with Roxy and this video gives me hope to not give up on my dog. May God bless you sir Robert!!!
The owner of that aggressive dog looks like he has great taste in movies!
I completely agree Sammy White
@@sarasamii5708 Thank you, your last name is my first name ahahaha hee hee hoo ha ha
Great video. Showed us sometimes reducing the pressure of correction (ie removing prong) is the answer. Just watching you work w Roxy was helpful....timing , energy, reward, corrections. Beautiful result
Robert, this was a great video!
Robert’s got some guns. Wish I could find someone like him close by.
Great lesson here Robert. Tools are not always required. What a turn around : ) . I agree also about dogs not needing to play with other unknown dogs. Seen many fights start from that. Thank you.
a dog fight with your dog in it opens you to a lawsuit and in court a judge can order your dog destroyed. And you cannot change it. ..see?
"I don't want you playing with my wife" lmaooo
"you dont get to play w my wife" lol thats good
I’ll have to see the full length to know how long this took. What a beautiful transformation that Dutchie made!!
Ok I watched it and it only took a minute!!! That was it!! Amazing how Robert could pinpoint how the prong collar was part of the problem. Makes me want to only use a slip lead on my girl!! Thank you for such great content!!
@@lindareda5071 The prong collar was a problem because there was no need for it in the first place. There is no "the best tool to use" (and when I say "tool" I'm talking about ECollar, prong collar, slip lead, a flat collar or even simple words as commands). It depends on the dog, the actions and so many more reasons to use such tool. But most importantly on the owner himself. I'm telling you this because you somehow seem to think that a slip lead will solve whatever problem you have with your girl. It won't if it's not used correctly. Roxy here was just very confused and didn't know what to do in that situation. She only needed guidance.
How can Jimi stay so calm when a dog is going crazy right next to him??
great dog very smart. she was looking for positive reinforcement in the second pass. so smart. it cool to humanize dogs, my gsd loves to play with her sister at insane love levels, but with my friend's malinois they do play but its like 2 percent of the time they are both out and about. the malli is just focused on protecting my friend.
Thanks for this video Robert!my belgian malinois just turned 11 months and seems more spooked out now by other dogs when I take him for a walk..I will try this technique..
I just love your videos 🤩🤩🤩 watching from India, but aspire to meet you some day, keep up the work you're doing!! You have amazing dogs and an amazing channel, so helpful
Aside from the prong not being needed/useful in this case, I still would have also noted that a prong is not supposed to sit that low. Prong collars are meant to sit mid neck or higher, anything lower (and even mid neck is pretty low) you're giving up your ability for effective communication. It is more sensitive at the top of the dogs neck, allowing for more clear and easier communication whereas lower on the neck you sacrifice that clear and easy communication and also risk more damage as the lower area of the neck is more prone to causing tracheal collapse than the top of the neck where a lot of strong muscles provide more padding to the throat.
That prong is huge! That’s why no corrections are working
Well done!!
Mr Cabral, how much of Roxi's behaviour was incorrect fitting, and use of the prong. A GREAT trainer introduced me to the prong into, fitting, and use, Ohh, it was YOU. Thank you. My working bred GSD was very dog reactive. All she wanted to do was play [beat up] other dogs. Created explosive frustration on the leash. Had already bruised her trachea on a flat collar, as a 4.5 month old pup. I considered a slip, but again strangulating was the outcome. I used the prong to self correct. My reactions, and my read of my dog are very good. So 2feet, or so of lead. See another dog, feel/see, tension building in my dog, tighten hand on leash, not shorten, as she lunges, plant feet. She is stopped with the force she created. She still wants SO badly to play with dogs, but she manages to walk off leash through them. I do occasionally let her play, to reinforce the recall on the premack principle. She gets play and training, for the inevitable loose dog encounter. her recall is 100%. [ecollar]
Excellent question! I was curious about it too.
If a dog is strangling on a slip, you may be using it incorrectly. It's meant for a quick, fraction of a second, tug.
this was a rare situation where the frustration on the prong was triggering her. It was my original thought to put her back on the prong, but never needed to. I think that I would not rule it out, but this time it wasn't necessary. Roxy is a really nice dog that just needs some clarity and exposure. I plan on doing some more sessions with Eric and Roxy in the coming weeks!
Awesome work 👏👏👍
Bless jimi what a pro
Jimi is the epitome of calmness 😌 0:11 - 0:23
Beautifully done, wow! :D
Great work Robert!!!! Loved the slow motion showing the sudden changes in body language in the dog ; they can be so subtle at times.
I wouldn't call the dog's body language subtle at all. To a person without any common sense in regards to dog behavior I suppose it would be subtle. There's a term people use called Mad Dogging, and that means staring somebody down. It's not a clever name and they got that term from dogs staring at other dogs then f****** each other up
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I am at a loss of words what that man above just said....
My boy Robert has hit that ripe age of easy access to TRT/HGH through a licensed professional. Good on you sir 🤙🏼
Beautiful
Sir Robert,
as usual, very impressive, like 1mln dollars.
Nice biceps man.
Owner: the problem.doesn't have a clue. Smiling.
Nice video! I liked the text overlays to add more explanation/context. Do you look for a root cause to the reactivity or just focus on changing the behavior? It didn't seem to come from fear or aggression to me.
She’s definitely not fearful. Like Robert said, a fearful dog would not sit with its back to the dog.
I don’t want you playing with my wife 🤣 Robert so good
wauw robert you look really buff. did you train even more?
Great Job, - calm, clear communication 👍
the only problem is that it looks so easy to fixe this behavior, so many idiots think they can “do it” without any knowledge or exercise….( even in their flip flops)
The prong is improving my 10 month olds reactivity I tried everything but nothing helped Adding his ball to carry has helped for distraction He might be bad for others but I found what worked for him
I learn from watching both your body language as well as the dog's. I seem to notice Roxy quickly picking up some level of excitability from her owner.
My dog ignores the corrections and the no. She won't just stop barking by walking by like this dog did. She goes nuts
6:26 🤣
He said I don’t want you playing with my wife 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Hi Robert, I have seen your dog training videos. The explanation is so good. I have an Indian breed puppy. It is 2 1/2 month old puppy. Its start biting. How to stop biting. Kindly suggest
I loove Robert Cabral's training so much- so many garbage "balanced" trainers getting so much attention when they use awful methods like Alpha Theory and such. Cabral is quick, calculated, and actually knows what he's talking about.
Alpha theory is not balanced training it is adversive/dominance training (and obviously is just as much trash as the "purely positive force free" bs.)
Balanced training follows the four quadrants at it's baseline and works in equal portions in them. Generally positive reinforcement/negative punishment is used to teach and obviously reinforce behaviors, and positive punishment and negative reinforcement are used to shape good behaviors and stop unwanted behaviors. A trainer that uses methods (regardless of if they actually provide any "training") to extremes, like only using treats for training, never using a collar/slip lead/anything like a collar and only using a harness and leash, or using "bonkers" or physical force like slapping or pushing or rolling, is not a balanced trainer. There are obviously balanced trainers who will lean more toward "adversive" tools/methods and the opposite who will lean more toward treats/rewards, there is expected to be variability among individuals, but too far one way or the other and the trainer is no longer balanced, as they are not balancing the quadrants.
I recommend looking at Upstate Canine Academy and Tyler Muto on top of Robert here, they're all fantastic balanced trainers who know what they are doing and provide amazing input. Upstate Canine Academy provides a bit more insight/talk on what he's doing than Tyler though.
@@EarthlingCanine Sorry, buddy, you lost me at "purely positive is trash". Cause... no it's not!
And also, I'm fully aware of what balanced training is. You didn't have to explain. My point was that a lot of people hide behind the label balanced when they're really using Alpha Theory.
@@Eclipseexe-qh4sc purely positive force free would be no leash no collar no treats or any sort of rewards no walls or fences essentially just a dog in a field and expecting that dog to do whatever you say on its own free will as if it already knows it. Using treats introduces negative punishment which is against purely positive. Using treats also introduces coercion which goes against force free, and walls and fences and any other boundary the dog can't get around is also not force free. Leashes are also against force free, as they keep a dog within a boundary, and ANY pressure is positive punishment, regardless of who puts the pressure on or if the dog is rewarded for it.
@@EarthlingCanine Funny you acted like you knew so much about training, at least balanced anyway, but you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to R+ lmao.
@@Eclipseexe-qh4sc you cannot create a completely consensual and purely positive association with you and a dog. It's not physically or mentally possible. You also can't prevent the rest of the world from creating negative and non-consensual associations with a dog. If you can't understand the basic fact that purely positive does not exist and force free does not exist. Then you're more ignorant than I could have thought. It's not my fault you like buzzwords and fallacies. I bet you think fluffy french bulldogs and Merle poodles exist too.
Do you think there is any value in the reintroduction of social behaviors after reactivity has been suppressed? Would you say it depends on the type of reactivity i.e entitlement/dog park reactivity.
I don't want you playing with my wife 😂
@Robert, then which dog should/can play with other dogs? And which shouldn't?
I don't know if my question is right either. Plz clarify.
Operator error. Too much of a dog for that guy. Nice work with that slip lead Robert. Folks…that’s a master handler right there.
Twitter dude gives the dog a treat while she's acting up right off the bat. Don't reward that behavior
Let's get one thing straight.. Eric is NOT using corrections.
To be honest, that dog would scare me if I was the owner. I don't have much owner experience though. I am getting my first puppy in two weeks!! So excited!
How is the puppy doing?
@@shanedrury4742 He is doing great! I went with a German Shepard. I really wanted an Akita but I just don't have enough dog experience. I named him Jupiter. He is completely house broken and I am working on the basic commands with him. I made the mistake of letting training slide for the first month or so...he's just a puppy! However, I got a trainer and he is learning quickly! He is so adorable! Sorry...I could talk about him for hours lol ..thank you for asking
@@camillahunt3247 thats soo cool!!! Was he easy to train? Jupiter is a lovely name.
Also robert cabral is a great trainer to listen to, especially for working breeds! Im always interested when i see people comment about getting a puppy about how their journey is going.
@@shanedrury4742 I honestly don't have a benchmark for whether or not he is easy to train since he is my first dog ever.
He has a short attention span so I work with him 3 or 4 times a day 10 to 15 minutes a time. He knows sit, down, and stay.
Right now I am working on recall. My trainer is really good. He is training me more than Jupiter lol..I can say that I am happy with our progress though.
Lol I’d like to see you do that with me 3yr old male Malinois
That dog seemed 'reactive' to me but not 'aggressive.'
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This is more like my type of training. No prongs and no e collars. I despise those. My dog does what i want and is incredibly well trained because she WANTS to please me. This owner shows his fear and giving his dog conflicting and confusing signals and he was allowing the dog to take control. My dog looks to ME for direction. That's what you want.
Would you call this a good example of barrier frustration? Also a good example of an established relationship between owner and dog where the nonsense is allowed vs you and her where nonsense is not allowed right from the get go?
I have a bully mix rescue exactly like this. I had a trainer introduce us to slip. He's respondig nice to it during walks, but when he sees a dog or other animal he doesn't care about corrections. He will rather choke himself out than stop lunging. Do you think prong would help with that?
If prong’s link broke (which happened to me couple times), then things can go bad quickly, especially if dog is launching at someone/other dogs at the moment. I think “choke chain” will fit your needs, you will have to learn how to use it properly, just like prong collar.
Yes, prong won’t choke the dog out like a slip can, if fitted properly. Choke should work too, like other commenter said
@@rongzheng7147 is there a big difference between slip and choke chain? Isn't that the same? I went for slip because it has tab to secure it on dog's neck (he has pretty big head and smaller neck) and chain was just falling down all the time.
As for the prong undoing itself it happened to me with chain multiple times. The dog shaked and the leash unclipped itself. That's why I always have backup clip all the time to a flat collar.
What about the positive reinforcement only method? Would it worked here? Would it work at all?
Didn’t work for Eric
@@RobertCabralDogs in your experience does it work at all?
Robert, is it true that Belgian Malinois make good financial advisors?
I’ll put my money on it. 😎
Robert! I would love to know how one can get their dog to be neutral by seeing “5 dogs a day for 20 days” without going to dog parks. I understand the dog has to see trustworthy dogs but where can we find such high quantities without utilizing dog parks! Thanks, Scott
You can just take your dog to a dog park but keep them on leash and not let them inside. I’ve done it many times.
Just make sure you start far enough away, so your dog doesn’t want to go to the fence, but stays engaged with you. And then over time shorten the distance. Otherwise, you’ll be increasing his drive to play.
Please come teach me and train my dog:) I'm trying... Alaska is a nice place to visit:)
Great to see no prong. However, the choke chain is also not necessary. You have already proven that she can be trained without the prong and only with vocal markers. A dog with excellent training done on LOOK or other focus exercises that you mark will do just as good a job.
Initial Trainer advantage, the dog does not know the trainer and that will intimidate most dogs, Trainer uses it well, and transfer the calm and assertive behaviour to the owner and dog relationship. The owner over time have conditioned his dog to ignore his commands and corrections. There is never a time in your dogs live that you are not busy teaching your dog something, like ignoring you.
Not really aggressive because if it was it wouldn’t have been fixed that quickly. Probably more excitement which is causing a behavior that looks like aggression. Obedience and focus on the handler should be done with every dog.
It’s the handler, nil or limited experience.
Would you apply this approach to a human stimulus, with a dog who is afraid of men?
My Dutch shepherd pit mix is two months old and he’s bitten everyone and I just don’t know how to make it stop
Sell him to a P.D.
hey alyssa, any updates? im having the same problem with my malinois. she lunges and attacks every human, animal, biker, scooter, cars.etc. the list goes on and on...........
please respond..
I just got punched in the eye and told they want a divorce by my Dutchie for watching other dutchies in this video
So you used a choke chain? How is that much different from a prong?
Right. It's not. it still tears at the trachea.
@@bethsherdell2413 No he did NOT use a "choke chain". It was a slip lead/collar. I don't know what you mean by tears. BUT a collar that can bruise the trachea, is the flat collar. Only 1 point touches the throat when there's pressure applied, either by you OR the dog itself, collars that "close" around the neck spread that force evenly. Prongs and martingales don't shut enough to strangle, and on a choke or slip you'd have to lift the dog completely off it's feet, which is difficult to do, unless you WANT to, and who would??
I didn't feel as though that dog was overly aggressive. She was wagging her tail and going forward and backward. My 8 1/2 month old Malinois is aggressive towards cars. He acts as though he would rip the bumper off and eat it. He hrowls, barks and gets low to the ground, pulls and requires all of my 180 lbs to control him. Otherwise he's a gem.
my dog who is of a herding breed was also reactive to cars when she was young. She could suddenly lunge towards them as they passed by. I don't know much how sensitive your dog is or if their drives are similar but for me it worked to use counter-conditioning (before the reaction happens).
I wish I could afford him to help me!
Hi Robert I have a theory. I notice a trend in most of these videos. You take the dog and it’s like something amazing has instantly happened. As if the problem has almost cleared immediately. Unless a lot took place that wasn’t recorded and shown, then my theory may have some value. Ever notice how some children (human) will act up with their own parents but become nervous and obedient when left with someone else? Or how our own behavior is different versus how we are on the first day of a job around new people versus a year later and our comfort levels have changed?
It seems this dog, and many other dogs in your other videos, have learned what they can get away with from their own handler but they haven’t figured out what they can get away with from you - which with your experience is very little because you know what you’re doing.
It almost seems like a massive foundational problem isn’t so much behaviors of the dog, but the handler and what is happening at home and what the dog has learned it can get away with.
With that, I think a valuable lesson is what are the expectations of what a handler should be like at all times even at home, at midnight, at morning times making coffee etc.
I agree with you. I like your analogy and it truly proves that the dog is NOT A BAD DOG, but just a dog taking advantage of the situation or one lacking structure from their owners. There are some that act badly irrespective of who is holding the leash... these dogs are a different story!
Oh, @Robert...Your wife is in no danger from a man in a Tw!++€r 🐦 shirt. Unless she's afraid to be censored.😉
She knows you are not going to put up with her reacting.
I think the description of aggression is misused or misunderstood. The dog seemed excited and had a bad of handling it’s excitement. This should be titled “Dog’s poor communication skills and an owner that does not know how to handle that”. Other than that a good video.
With all respect. It seems like this owner doesn’t have much experience with dogs.
Oh my god -“can we make them play?” Far out!!! 🤣 mad question. Watching this w/ all my experience w/dogs, pit bulls ect Im so much more comfortable now that my next dog is going to be a Belgian Malinois or Dutch shepherd.
Why the hell is that guy wearing flip flops? No wonder his dog is a mess.
The dog is defense guarding the owner.
No
in.my.case.my.dog.is.like.that,but.when.she.knows.the.other.dog.a.little.it.changes.
Id.like.to.see.this.done.but.then.bring.another.new.dog.into.the.equation.to.see.if.things.really.changed.
I.dont.think.its.that.easy.well.its.certainly.not.for.me......
use more thumbnails like this? 22k views
I thought this was an excellent video to show case Roberts skill & knowledge of how to work/control this high drive dog. I mean no disrespect, but it also shows a handler who has a dog that is simply to much dog for him. “Can we make them play” Roxy would destroy Jimi as she has no self control. Please be aware of the type of dog that you are getting & be honest with yourself in your abilities to handle a high drive dog. I am not a professional but I know what my abilities are. Everyone’s safety is at risk when people get dogs that are to much for them.
If you would ever ask a Malinois “Do you want to sit?”, you aren’t cut out for this breed.
Well trained dog untrained owner
"Do you wanna sit?". lol. Maybe a this dog is not right for you if you have that type of personality. I mean, nice guy, but dogs like this need to be told what to do.
I just don’t get these owners with there fascination of the dog park and wanting there dogs to play with other dogs… it’s just pathetic