This Couch is 100 Years Old!
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0:00 Intro - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
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Furniture Forensics is the most informative and encouraging woodworking series for hobbyist woodworkers on TH-cam. I'm so happy to see another episode.
You can find stuff like this brand new, made in small shops, with hand made decorations in Asia and South America. Furniture made with these construction techniques are currently being made in Thailand, Vietnam, Laos, and China every day. Labor is cheap in these counties.
Are you sure this piece isn't a few decades old and not purchased at Import One 20 years ago?
Are there any screws or fasteners that would help date it?
This seems like something you could order in a Sears catalog and it would show up on a train a few weeks later.
I enjoy the furniture forensics series. Its nice to know that I'm not the only one that wants to know how stuff is put together. One big difference between the two of us though is that one of us actually understands wood and the tools and techniques used to fabricate things with it and the other person is me.
As a young child, my dad took me to one of those "hybrid furniture shops you spoke of. I remember really large cast iron machines. Table saws the size of compact cars. Surface plainer that probably take a 24 inch wide piece. Everything was driven by 4 inch wide belts that stretched to the ceiling where there was a very large shaft that powered everything. I know that the woodworkers there were very skilled craftsman. My dad had them turn some decorative spindles for a Victorian nightstand- they were about 20 inches long and very thin perhaps 3/8 in diameter in spots. I was young then but I was still in wonder how someone could turn something so thin without breaking.
It’s like antiques road show but with Rex . 😂
Your furniture forensics series is top 5 youtube videos in our family. From our 5 year old to us parents.
Rex, you are the patron saint of furniture. You could enter a forest, make your tools, fell the tree, and have the table and chairs ready by dinner time. Furniture has a super hero it’s you!
I remember seeing this kind of furniture at my grandparents. I was just a kid but it always "bothered" me that the decorations and curves and all were not consistent :) - This was such a treat and throw back to the past! Thank you Rex!
I can tell from the video that the piece of furniture has definitely been reupholstered (or at least re-covered) at least once. I am also thinking that during a recovery/re-upholstery project it may have been darkened and/or re-varnished (quite severely, by the look of it). It leads me to wonder if maybe some of that unequal detailing may have been done during a refurb project or maybe even by someone as a home embellishment attempt. Nevertheless, it is a lovely balance of design proportions and aesthetics. Overall, an honest piece of furniture.
I had a similar thought
Oh very interesting! I think it would probably look better without the carving detail too.
I'm really not sure what it is, but this video was spot on. Maybe it's just the afterglow of the first cup of coffee in the morning, but I really loved this one.
Started my furniture/cabinet making career behind an antique shop stripping and refinishing pieces like this. Learned more about history than any school. Sadly, the knowledge is getting lost...
... but maybe TH-cam is helping. Thanks Rex 👍👍👍
Miss your videos. I can't do half of what you do but I always learn something.
So I went and watched………….. I understood only because you Rex taught me too! In each 10 minutes of video 9 was possible to follow because of Rex. I mean it all: the shavings, the irons, the word iron, the looking down the plane I mean the lot! Amazing!
Great video from my North Eastern fellow. At one time , I thought I would use a router here and he got his router out! Like no router I had ever seen.! Lol
Brilliant
Bob
England
You scared me with that thumbnail. I thought it was going to be a crossover on woodworking/Titanic-style portrait painting.
Dude, I wish Richard uploaded more. He’s so great.
Rex I was just watching your stool and bench videos for the multiple times waiting for another video to drop and boom! Here you are! Thanks!
You keep making videos like this. They are so interesting and puts woodworking in a historical context.
I love videos like this. Please Rex - MORE !!!
Cheers from Poland 🍻
An interesting piece of furniture. Judging by the 'block and notch' decoration along the side it looks like a nod to the Arts and Crafts movement (1890 to 1920, pre Art-Deco). Interestingly, in the UK we tend to use 'Victorian' and 'Edwardian' to describe building styles, but you can get Arts and Crafts buildings - and very attractive they are too!
Often, political history terms like “Edwardian”, “Victorian” or “regency” don’t quite match up with style periods. For example, “regency” fashion is a style that really stretched from the 1790s all the way into the early 1820s, whereas the actual regency was only 1811-1820.
@0:24 I actually cringed. Now I can't get the "it's gonna fall, it's gonna fall" out of my head. LOL. Back to the video.
My neighbor put a piece out on the curb that looks almost identical to that one. I was tempted to grab it, but it rained on it, then they took it back into their garage, then put it back out again and it got rained on again. I was also moving and by the time I got a good look at it there was quite a bit of damage and just wasn't worth bothering with. Cool lounger though.
Given the mish-mash of woods, techniques, & the veneer, I'd say this was originally a wardrobe & armchair that were upcycled into a different piece entirely. The legs could have been from a sofa, but an armchair is more likely for the time; they're about the right length & shape. The veneered softwood would originally have come from larger panels. There's no reason to use new wood if you can get hold of unwanted older furniture and tear it to pieces.
I really appreciate the English Woodworker shout out, Rex. You're great, and I bought a bunch of plans before I became a Patreon, but Richard is just awesome. His premium videos may not be for everyone, but they speak to, and inspire, me.
I have resigned myself to building one of these. I have been to 8 different furniture stores in the area and only 1 even knew what a daybed was.
Nice video. Just went over to richard maguire's channel. Earthy ain't he. Loved it.
Thanks for the referral.
Really enjoy your furniture forensics, I learn a lot and it has taught me to look at old furniture differently.. keep them coming
I really like the Furniture Forensics videos, keep making them please :)
After the passing of Queen Elizabeth II earlier this month, we've now transitioned from the Elizabethan era to the Carolean era under King Charles III.
I sadly doubt that there will be a marked change in furniture style, as compared with the difference in Victorian vs Edwardian furniture.
The maker community might have some sway here.
Wait, “passing?” You mean, “someone kicked the bucket?” Who did? Was it someone important?
Pretty interesting piece indeed, Rex! 😃
Thanks a bunch!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Another gem of a video about another gem of a piece of furniture! Excellent analysis, and excellent conclusion. A fascinating piece of history from a transitional period in furniture making.
I appreciate your content and thank you for the video
love your recommendations Rex. Thanks!
Fascinating! You are the Mark Felton of vintage furniture 🙂Thank you for sharing your discovery journey, and for letting us know about Richard's video, very kind of you.
I absolutely love the history!!! Thanks Rex!
Just love this series, Rex! Keep 'em coming!
Interesting as always Rex. 👌
I've been watching Richard's videos for a few years now. No nonsense like yours. A good channel.
Great forensics
Really enjoy your furniture forensics. Keep them coming!
I once lived not far from RK in Ohio. And…I have a few tree-lawn pieces that I have hauled around ever since and will be “restoring” using RK and Tom Johnson wisdom. Thanks Rex, for the forensics.
You're the man Rex! Keep doing what your doing!
doing a great job Kawtali....great Couch
That point about not being able to afford furniture is one of the things that I really like about Chris Swartz's Anarchist series. It focuses on the political importance of furniture designs that can be made in a weekend by an amateur with a hundred bucks.
your skills as a storyteller and narrator are incredible. keep it up!
I enjoy these vids so much Rex. Thanks for sharing and I'll check out Richard as well.
Nice furniture and knowledge about the making in further times.
Draw me like one of your french craftsmen 💪😁
That English woodworker has great videos on work holding on traditional workbenches and a great wooden laminated plane vid as well.
I absolutely love your videos! The history is so fascinating! I'm a power tool guy is trying to get into hand tools eventually and I have binged your videos the last few days. Thank you so much for all the knowledge you are sharing!
In Sears catalogues in the 1910-1915 era, they are calling these bed couches and they are far more ornate with huge heavy carved feet. Most had a top with a million tufts. The Sears catalogue said hardwoods veneered with quarter sawn oak.
Old newspapers used both daybed and chaise lounge but few ads gave pictures. Most chaise lounges mention rattan, porch furniture or caned ends. In short I saw nothing hat really looked like this.
So now what? Does this go in your house or back on the curb?
the main thing I learned from this video is
that I want a daybed so freaking bad
I have nothing to say really, but I appreciate your content, and wish to help with the yt-algorithms.
Very enlightening. Got me thinking about Veneer's and cutting down large sheets of wood that have had a veneer applied.
Awesome video! Love the insight into historical furniture construction, how to identify telltales, and why different techniques were used. Eager for more . . . Maybe something on Art Deco/waterfall furniture??
Excellent episode, with a great bit of context there at the end. I love when someone knowledgeable says something that suddenly makes me realize how much my point of view has been coloring my thoughts on a subject and opens my mind to a more complete understanding. It takes time to build up such layers of appreciation, but it's precisely that depth of understanding that makes specialist knowledge so fulfilling. Thanks for helping me along the path towards having that level of appreciation for the furniture making craft-this certainly isn't the first time that you have done so; nor is it likely to be the last! Keep up the great work, it is very much appreciated.
The book and the video are both solid recommendations as well! Thanks again.
Hi Rex! Great Video. I love these forensic considerations. Most people have a romantic look at the "good ol' time", but your discoveries help to get a more accurate picture of most people's reality in that days.
Greetings from Germany,
Marcus
Hola! 🖐Really good video, I enjoy these forensic videos you share with us all. I always learn something new and I'm beginning to look at furniture in a whole new light. Most of this information never "sinks in" so that's good for you, I'll watch these videos over and over again.😂 Keep the content coming. Take care and have a good one, Adios! 👊
Hey there from rainy NorCal. Nice and cool today
Thank you
I have the updated edition of Irish Country Furniture and it was great to see the ingenuity in what people could do with very little. The grinding poverty in my country was shocking though
I can't believe you managed to do this whole video without recreating the George Costanza pose. You're a stronger man than me.
Rex, thanks for providing the link over to the English Woodworker channel. I had not seen it before and I'm learning all kinds of new things about a hobby I love. Keep up the good work in your shop and with recommending other channels.
Check out Richard's website and paid content. I built three and a half projects so far, all plans are well presented, great humour, good producing. I highly recommend them! I learned a lot from all of them.
I think it is interesting that it fits your bench perfectly. Just saying.
Wow ... as much as I prefer hand crafting over machine tools, it's kind of amazing to me that such a beautiful piece of furniture was built primarily of doug fir, which is a reasonably local species even where I live in the mountains of Colorado. But now I'm left wondering how much solid oak this piece took to make, and how thick is the lamination over the fir.
Rex on the discussion on the transition of furniture styles from the Victorian to the Edwardian era I would highly suggest you look in to the "Arts and Crafts" movement that gained popularity in England in the late 1880s. Beginning in rural areas of england it encouraged natural simple designs but with an emphasis on fine details and craftsmanship.
It's not common knowledge, but machine made carvings have been in existence since around the 1840s. There are a few different ways these machine carvings were made. It's not hard to find the patents online
Nice!
Much better on the sound.
Where I live the only thing on the side of the road is particle board
The classic Burt Reynolds pose
Also can you have a series where viewers send in video of their hand made furniture and you analyze it? I have 2 pieces that I inherited that I would love to know about.
That was informative and interesting. Are you going to show how to reproduce that piece?
Video of the year? Your tempting fate.
The room echo is gone!
Maybe the hand work was added post production by a previous owner trying to spice it up a bit! Nice video!
Idle question, Rex: what is the evidence that suggests that this piece wasn't a young woodworker (define "young" how you please...someone of moderate skill) in the 40s or 50s looking to re-make a "classic piece of furniture" and just practice some furniture making? I'd be interested to understand as I learn to look at antiques what are the give-aways that tell me that a piece is *actually* 100 years old vs. one that might be a lot younger made by folks just looking to replicate period furniture. Thanks!
On the next episode Rex introduces his only fans. I can't wait to see some more episodes in your new place.
Why you gotta be weird like that?
@@Ali-0101 guessing you don't get out on the internet much.
also, with all those wiggly feet pics in this video, he should be charging.
@@blarghblargh tf are you talking😂 I grew up with the internet
Sort of like Bernadette Banner’s only fans for saucy Victorian ankle display. Given that this is a video about Edwardian furniture I “wood”n’t put such a thing past Rex.
@@jeffreyhallam5517 I haven't been to Bernadette's channel in a while, and that's very funny.
You missed a Golden opportunity to do the George Costanza pose in the thumbnail.
Rex! Is that a water cup on the slab behind you?? No!
I love these videos. Forensic investigation into historical objects is one of life’s great pleasures. Something came to my attention not too long ago but it’s got me wondering. There is a word of mouth thing going around amongst people who own old Japanese military rifles that you don’t want to cut into the rifle stocks. Supposedly the Japanese treated the stocks with very harsh chemicals for rot resistance but I haven’t found any specific information. Just word of mouth from collectors. …And Google becomes less useful with each passing year. For all I know it’s just a lie to stop people from damaging collectible rifle stocks. But it has left me curious about various finishes and protective coatings for wood. Are there coating that people should be wary of with repairing or dealing with antique furniture? This seems like the place to ask.
thank
Can you recommend a good resource for determining the age/style of a piece and what it's made from?
What's your dream project? I figure there had.to be something that so inspired you that started you down this path because you wanted something specific. Mine is a game table for my end group.
I’m going to watch this, then go to Bernadette Banner’s channel to learn how to sew Edwardian clothes.
@Rex Krueger it looks like this isn't in the Furniture Forensics playlist yet, so people who subscribe to that only won't be notified.
What happens to this day bed now? Will there be a teardown/restoration?
It's a clear case of furniturosis.
Will you eventually repair this piece?
It seems like there’s a trend with these old pieces you dig into. We expect these old pieces to be meticulously handcrafted, with chiseled joinery and fasteners that allow for wood movement, but it turns out that butt joints and nails do the trick for a solid century.
Do you think this is a case of survivor bias, where these pieces sat unused for 75 of their 100 years, so never wore out? Is the current line of thinking about hand tool woodworking all wrong? Is it OK if I use nails? Did people cut pocket holes into mahogany by lamplight?
I can only wonder if this was actually picked up from the side of the road.
Doctor says: solution is simple; youtuber Rex Krueger has new video on antique furniture - watch it and you'll feel better
Missed opportunity with the title, would you consider re-uploading the video with the title "Draw me like one of your french girls"?
Why oh why has TH-cam put this video up twice billed as two new videos
"thats a really weird job" He says to the man who listens to complains and prescribes drugs to fix them
What's the odds your bench is exactly the same size as the day bed?
When does a couch become a “piece”?
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Is say old boy, Queen Victoria ruled quite a bit more than just jolly old England. Of course the people who lay on these were actually laying on the backs of those who made them, they sadly had no freedom of leisure. Cheaply made furniture also allows the factory owner to maximise their profits.
You used the same stock photo at about 1 m 45s mark as PBS did in this video at the 40 second mark as their video "why you can't smell yourself"
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