@@Lucidio2ahhh shit 🙈 I mean I don’t think so but many people have told me that my voice sounds perfect for something like that I don’t know.. to me it just never seems like a compliment, you know 🥸
I’m probably only around 265 HP/Hammer Power!!! -But, but, but I keep her clean though!!! Lol [True 90’s teenager will know this “altered” reference in a heartbeat! ***Hint: Character was referencing “Rim Size” in the movie.*** ~Let me know if you get the Reference without looking it up! *No Cheating!!!*
@@Asceticism_N probably in no car, since you can buy 4032 forged pistons for as little as 90 bucks for a single... probably made that back in youtube revenue, and then some, already
Forged means a lot to my pockets and the legend pulled one out of the box to strike. Means a lot for demonstration to all enthusiasts/mechanics that are constantly learning non stop! Kudos
if you’ve ever seen the carnage and aftermath from a boosted motor blowing up, youd know how legit this demonstration is. cast pistons legit explode if anything goes wrong, forged slugs can save your block from having an inspection hole in the side of it lol
I knew forged pistons were stronger than cast, but this really puts it in perspective. It also adds new meaning to pistons breaking in a top fuel engine!
Oh my, what ever shall I do .. I have no choice but to go fully forged now , from top to bottom due to the represented force of detonation .. to ensure the wife and kids get to school and work in a .. safe manner 😗😏
Just from experience if that's a SBC it's still gonna run, not gonna sound good but it will, I have a forged 0.60 piston with a intake valve that broke off and flipped around and went straight through the top of the piston and into the connecting rod and wrist pin, cracked the block on cylinder 7 and completely blew that end of the head off the block, made it the 5 miles home firing on 6 cylinders and never fell below 100mph
EPA doesn't care about things like longevity, reliability, or emissions related to supply chains needed to support parts that must be made less reliable to fulfill running emissions regulations. Most likely incompetence.
Meanwhile in here the scam of USA dump trucks pour black smoke into the air but we're worried about cold startup emissions... This country is a fucking joke
@@realbigtuna667The real reason the OEMs use cast pistons (apart from cost, which is 100% the main reason) is that forged pistons require slightly more piston>bore clearance due to them expanding a bit more than cast. This means more blow up while the engine warms up and increased emissions, which they can't get away with anymore.
The expansion rates are different so the bore diameter will be a little sloppy for the forged pistons. But after the pistons warm up the clearance is the same.
Forged piston are what blue prints are based off of. That fist motor they make when designing at the factory is made with forged part. They mass produce with cast pieces for affordability. So you are wrong 100 percent.
@@FLORIDAMANIAM-he2lz that doesn't really make any sense becuase casting is cheap to proto type and forged parts are usually ordered based on bore spec for when you are building an engine. I found out later that it does expand slower than cast aluminum
Now do a semi-solid cast piston. The only ones that exist are marketed as "semi-forged" and they're an OEM upgrade for the 4AGE from Toyota. They're rated for 600hp in that engine. Semi-solid casting is a process where hypereutectic aluminum is heated up until it has a paste-like consistency and then I believe it is high-pressure squeezed into a mold or drop forged or something like that. The end result is a hypereutectic cast piston with an aligned grain structure, giving it the beneficial properties of forging (to a slightly lesser extent) as well as the beneficial properties of a cast piston (no piston slap, no or low blowby, not "warmup" period before safely romping).
@@motoiq I literally said so in the comment. It's a set of factory-available pistons from Toyota for the 4AGE. They're 81mm in bore. They're marketed as "semi-forged" but the actual process is called "semi-solid cast." The ones from Toyota the only ones I know of. I wish the aftermarket had more of them for popular engines at a few different compression ratios. Also for the wheels, I think you're thinking of rotary forged, which is a different process altogether.
No they do exist The issue is that the equipment used to make it is quite expensive to maintain and let alone use. Toyota's the only manufacturer that offers them factory as an upgrade. During the process they were squeezed into a mold under high pressure like he said when they're turned into a paste like consistency. Giving very similar strength to a forged piston while giving you all the benefits of a hypertect it piston. But forged is stronger and can handle way higher temps.
I’m an engine builder too so I totally get what you are demonstrating 👍🏻 but you kinda hooked that cast piston right on the edge above its weakest spot-the ring land and then went straight down on the forged piston. Just saying! But yes, the cast piston doesn’t stand a chance against detonation versus the forged piston! 👍🏻
Mike is a very knowledgeable indeed really experienced and explains precisely. Glad he's always been successful with Falken tire FD & other motorsports. Keep it up mike
This is an impact test. Correct me if I'm wrong but when casting a metal it becomes harder during recrystallisation, so it will be able to withstand more energy from impact, however due to the lack of tensile strength of the casted metal (won't bend as freely) it simply shatters. You see this quite a bit in cast iron, negating the additional carbon content. Sorry if that is incorrect, in any case check out alloys and phase diagrams (:
Hi Mike from I smoked too much before going to work today. LoL reminds me of that bugs Bunny cartoon where he's a bomb tester hitting all the bombs on the top and letting dud on them
Ooh bummer, the ring land broke!! Lol I'll be getting forged pistons but having 3.66 pistons, bored 50 over, having a tough time finding a proper brand to go with Zero deck, 1.16 compression height needs... it also needs 1.5,1.5,3mm or less on the ring lands, gas ported, total seal preferably but plasma rings file to fit will work too. Bronze bushed, with a DLC tool steel wrist pins and a Hard Crown treatment are the levels I'd like to find in a Manufacturer!! Yeah, forged pistons a must!!
Nice demonstration of material integrity and strenght but not really a good example if you want to go more in depth since the force from a detonation builds up gradually (explosion and expansion) and not instantly (dropping a hammer onto the solid surface). Noto to mention that the whole energy will spread across the whole surface and not just hit some part of some edge :) As a stress test demonstration okay but I somehow missed the benefit of a forged one which is huge - weight. A forged one is lighter thus you can gain extra power which would otherwise be lost due to higher weight of the casted piston. Again - as a short video quickly demonstrating the difference it is okay :)
I'd love nothing more than to see you go in depth on 2618 vs 4036 alloy pistons. What are the realistic limits of a 4032 piston if that's what we choose over 2618 for clearance and lubricity purposes? Thanks for the content man, you're a gold mine of advanced knowledge.
The only positive to cast or hypereutectic piston is less expansion rate. That way they can run a tighter clearance. It increases longevity and mileage but sacrifices brute strength needed in high horsepower applications.
I hate when a hammer goes down my intake valve
Thats not good
haha
😂😂😂
Gotta keep up on your air filters man!!
We've all been there man. Never a good day.
"oh bummer, the ring land broke, no more compression." The monotone just made it even better.
Sounds like my brother, as he’s on the phone telling me about it while keeping on driving
@@Lucidio2😂
@@Lucidio2ahhh shit 🙈 I mean I don’t think so but many people have told me that my voice sounds perfect for something like that
I don’t know.. to me it just never seems like a compliment, you know 🥸
😂😂
Sounds like he's owned a few subawooos
"I'm pushing like 350 HammerPower."
I'm using this term instead of thermal energy from now on🤣🤣🤣
I’m probably only around 265 HP/Hammer Power!!!
-But, but, but I keep her clean though!!! Lol
[True 90’s teenager will know this “altered” reference in a heartbeat!
***Hint:
Character was referencing “Rim Size” in the movie.***
~Let me know if you get the Reference without looking it up! *No Cheating!!!*
Good man
650 HammerPower
😂😂
“Forged piston for sale, like new”
“Never banged hard. $1,000. I know what I got.”
😂
Very nice demo! Love hearing this guy explain stuff he's so chill and approachable.
approachable. he is calm.
I wish I hd masters like him while I am growing up on my profession
I'd call it monotone and boring
@@stilostan-the1st Then watch something else.
Definitely monotone. Makes it more comical though
@@stilostan-the1stI mean, there’s not many ways you could make this more interesting. It’s a simple Demonstration, not a movie.
He did hit that forged piston hard 😂
Same sound as the cast iron so no bs. But wondering which car that forged piston went in. 😂😂
He hit the cast one on the tip
He definitely hit both of them on the edge.
@@Fatboypeet like boosted FA said, both were hit on the edge..
@@Asceticism_N probably in no car, since you can buy 4032 forged pistons for as little as 90 bucks for a single... probably made that back in youtube revenue, and then some, already
Forged means a lot to my pockets and the legend pulled one out of the box to strike. Means a lot for demonstration to all enthusiasts/mechanics that are constantly learning non stop! Kudos
Frankly not a lot compared to OEM maybe 2 to 3x
I got 4 for like $600 cad. They definitely werent that much. His social media presence pays for that at least
I switched from a cast thumb to a forged thumb for the very same reason....take that you stinking hammer !
"Mike from moto IQ here, In this video, I will demonstrate why in every video I make I have a huge smile."
Marijuana is a hell of a drug
I make I have a big smile he's does it too me
He's high AF! ⛽😆
Moral of the story: don’t fill your gas tank with hammers
Or this guy with the hammer
Moral to the story forged is more resistant to force.
if you’ve ever seen the carnage and aftermath from a boosted motor blowing up, youd know how legit this demonstration is. cast pistons legit explode if anything goes wrong, forged slugs can save your block from having an inspection hole in the side of it lol
I fuckin love this man!
I never met Bob Ross but I talked to Mike, all the same Zen, but way faster
The father figure of car guys🙌🏽
Perfect description
he's too young to be a father
“Bummer the ring land broke.” You my favorite kind of science teacher
I'm surprised I've never seen that done before, makes a lot of sense too
not many people willing to hit a $200 piston to show how strong it is
Not really
i like your channel dude. always a smile and always explaining it to these youngerns so they can easily learn. Kudos.
Now that's some "knock" right there
Gives "PUTTING THE HAMMER DOWN" an awesome graphic.
Ya that a whole new idea 😂
#HammerTime
I knew forged pistons were stronger than cast, but this really puts it in perspective. It also adds new meaning to pistons breaking in a top fuel engine!
Yes forged piston are manufacturing for high strength
Oh my, what ever shall I do .. I have no choice but to go fully forged now , from top to bottom due to the represented force of detonation .. to ensure the wife and kids get to school and work in a .. safe manner 😗😏
Just go billet😂
Yeah, wonder how long would an all forget billet engine last if it remained with stock configurations
Just from experience if that's a SBC it's still gonna run, not gonna sound good but it will, I have a forged 0.60 piston with a intake valve that broke off and flipped around and went straight through the top of the piston and into the connecting rod and wrist pin, cracked the block on cylinder 7 and completely blew that end of the head off the block, made it the 5 miles home firing on 6 cylinders and never fell below 100mph
Subaru uses forged pistons for their sti in japan, but cast is the us. Because cast pistons get slightly better emissions on startup. Defund the epa.
EPA doesn't care about things like longevity, reliability, or emissions related to supply chains needed to support parts that must be made less reliable to fulfill running emissions regulations. Most likely incompetence.
Subaru also has the ring gap to tight so if it overheats to much it'll break a piston, because cold start emissions.
Meanwhile in here the scam of USA dump trucks pour black smoke into the air but we're worried about cold startup emissions... This country is a fucking joke
@@realbigtuna667The real reason the OEMs use cast pistons (apart from cost, which is 100% the main reason) is that forged pistons require slightly more piston>bore clearance due to them expanding a bit more than cast. This means more blow up while the engine warms up and increased emissions, which they can't get away with anymore.
Love this guys videos.
When the crankcase becomes the weakest part in your engine 💪😁
When the driveline can't handle the badass engine you built 🤑
this is exactly how my piston looked after my engine failed. very helpful demo thank you
cast piston fits tighter and makes engine run smoother for longer
Why would that be the case? They are Both aluminum and ordered to spec
The expansion rates are different so the bore diameter will be a little sloppy for the forged pistons. But after the pistons warm up the clearance is the same.
Wtf are you talking about. Forged pistons are whatever size you make them. You are like a child in this department dude.
Forged piston are what blue prints are based off of. That fist motor they make when designing at the factory is made with forged part. They mass produce with cast pieces for affordability. So you are wrong 100 percent.
@@FLORIDAMANIAM-he2lz that doesn't really make any sense becuase casting is cheap to proto type and forged parts are usually ordered based on bore spec for when you are building an engine. I found out later that it does expand slower than cast aluminum
Metal is metal. The molecular structure is the FINAL product is the 🗝️
Id like to see you make a piston out of mercury, considering that its also a metal
Now do a semi-solid cast piston. The only ones that exist are marketed as "semi-forged" and they're an OEM upgrade for the 4AGE from Toyota. They're rated for 600hp in that engine. Semi-solid casting is a process where hypereutectic aluminum is heated up until it has a paste-like consistency and then I believe it is high-pressure squeezed into a mold or drop forged or something like that. The end result is a hypereutectic cast piston with an aligned grain structure, giving it the beneficial properties of forging (to a slightly lesser extent) as well as the beneficial properties of a cast piston (no piston slap, no or low blowby, not "warmup" period before safely romping).
Who makes those? I have only heard of wheels made that way. 4032 alloy pistons are something similar.
@@motoiq I literally said so in the comment. It's a set of factory-available pistons from Toyota for the 4AGE. They're 81mm in bore. They're marketed as "semi-forged" but the actual process is called "semi-solid cast."
The ones from Toyota the only ones I know of. I wish the aftermarket had more of them for popular engines at a few different compression ratios.
Also for the wheels, I think you're thinking of rotary forged, which is a different process altogether.
It's because they probably don't exist and someone said that on the internet.
No they do exist The issue is that the equipment used to make it is quite expensive to maintain and let alone use. Toyota's the only manufacturer that offers them factory as an upgrade. During the process they were squeezed into a mold under high pressure like he said when they're turned into a paste like consistency. Giving very similar strength to a forged piston while giving you all the benefits of a hypertect it piston. But forged is stronger and can handle way higher temps.
I love how straight and simple that man is. Very good representation
He did not hit them the same he hit that forged harder good demonstration😮
Love the evo in the back!
Good advice for the next time I fill up my gas tank with hammers
That’s exactly what low octane will do on a high horsepower car , basically pouring a bunch of hammers in your tank 😂
@@Antimatter. 😂😂😂
Mike Kojima Spittin Fire Facts 🔥
This dude rocks!
Great video for auto repair students!
I've fitted many forged pistons, but never tried hitting one on purpose. Never knew they were that much stronger!
I’m an engine builder too so I totally get what you are demonstrating 👍🏻 but you kinda hooked that cast piston right on the edge above its weakest spot-the ring land and then went straight down on the forged piston. Just saying! But yes, the cast piston doesn’t stand a chance against detonation versus the forged piston! 👍🏻
The small block 350 with 7 pistons driving me home
A forged piston is better in any situation, not just a race car setup.
Except for very long life under stock conditions
I love this video example!
Mike is a very knowledgeable indeed really experienced and explains precisely. Glad he's always been successful with Falken tire FD & other motorsports. Keep it up mike
This guys hilarious 😂
That evo looks so nice in the background
Can't wait for 3d pistons
"Every time I put the hammer down the car shutters" -Customer who bought that forged piston 1 month later
Your piston:
Turboflex piston:
This is an impact test. Correct me if I'm wrong but when casting a metal it becomes harder during recrystallisation, so it will be able to withstand more energy from impact, however due to the lack of tensile strength of the casted metal (won't bend as freely) it simply shatters. You see this quite a bit in cast iron, negating the additional carbon content. Sorry if that is incorrect, in any case check out alloys and phase diagrams (:
It depends how you cool it.
I like how he is composed and still you think that he will unleash at any moment…lol
Some people dont understand the power of detonation.
Haven’t seen you in years
Since behind the smoke episodes on gtfchannel
Glad to see you’re doing well !
Anyone that has a GTR and Evo in there shop gets my vote.
Got those n my garage
I always smile when I think "oh no, engine's not going to run" 😅
note. he clearly said "in a race application". Heat expansion of the forged piston reduces longevity and increases wear over time
Very well put …straight to the point even a kid can understand 🤪😂🤣
😂😅 I needed that Stock one my boy …😢😂😂
#HooptieTV
The best example honestly! The combustion is the most important thing to make a vehicle move.
Forged is much more forgiving than cast as I already broke my stock pistons a few years back but have been on forged engines since and they hold up
😂 great demo, true wisdom🙈
The hammers knocking in the engine again😂
Good thing I don’t have a hammer in my motor
thank u for the lesson on Forged pistons ❤
This, my friends, is Jensen Huang's father, the CEO of World Vehicle Production company. Short, PVC Ltd.
hahahahahaha my daily needs forged too tho, never know when those evil hammers are gonna come knockin
It was a trick getting it past the intake valve.
To completely different hits , bud for illustration it’s fits the purpose
I can’t be the only one that mentally stitched this with that men at work song when he hit it with the hammer, right?
Great video Mike 🎉
The turbo flex test.😂😂
Dude you’re awesome for explaining this
Hi Mike from I smoked too much before going to work today. LoL reminds me of that bugs Bunny cartoon where he's a bomb tester hitting all the bombs on the top and letting dud on them
You should smoke after work!
This guy sounds like hes been smoking the Devils Lettuce 😂
Thank you god bless you
I should use this an an example to describe detonation in an engine for my customers
Betul 40 ribu murah untuk engine K20C ni banyak lagi benda boleh upgrade dan custom untuk engine ni
What an accurate test!😂
that will teach that stock crap😂
Cant stop laughing 😂 u are so awesome 👏
True, but forged takes long to expand causing wear on the block
It's Hammer 🔨 time..MotoIQ, we not worthy ...
Bobby Lee in only a few years 😂
Great example 👍
Now I just need a forged thumb
The forged piston will still work just fine as long as you have decent rings and file the burs off where it's chipped.
So glad this man decided to do these videos and bless so many!
Ooh bummer, the ring land broke!! Lol I'll be getting forged pistons but having 3.66 pistons, bored 50 over, having a tough time finding a proper brand to go with Zero deck, 1.16 compression height needs... it also needs 1.5,1.5,3mm or less on the ring lands, gas ported, total seal preferably but plasma rings file to fit will work too. Bronze bushed, with a DLC tool steel wrist pins and a Hard Crown treatment are the levels I'd like to find in a Manufacturer!! Yeah, forged pistons a must!!
Any of the top guys can easily do that, JE, CP, Mahle, Wiseco
I died at the "look at that" thats a great demo
Its the grain structure of the metal, one is pored and one is compressed, the meturagry with a high silica content will prevent expantion seizure
Nice demonstration of material integrity and strenght but not really a good example if you want to go more in depth since the force from a detonation builds up gradually (explosion and expansion) and not instantly (dropping a hammer onto the solid surface). Noto to mention that the whole energy will spread across the whole surface and not just hit some part of some edge :)
As a stress test demonstration okay but I somehow missed the benefit of a forged one which is huge - weight. A forged one is lighter thus you can gain extra power which would otherwise be lost due to higher weight of the casted piston.
Again - as a short video quickly demonstrating the difference it is okay :)
I don't think an explosion is a good analogy for a gradual build-up of force. And detonation forces do not build up gradually.
Excelent explanatio !!!
I hope that was a forged piston that was forged out of spec and was going to need some machining.
Yes maching required for forged piston
I'd love nothing more than to see you go in depth on 2618 vs 4036 alloy pistons. What are the realistic limits of a 4032 piston if that's what we choose over 2618 for clearance and lubricity purposes? Thanks for the content man, you're a gold mine of advanced knowledge.
That is coming.
This guys always smiling like he knows an inside joke that we all arent in on lol
This is great!!! I love it
bobby lee showing us how pistons work
Behind is a beautiful car EVO is beautiful
Dom: dudes gonna fry his pistons before the finish line
Great demo Mike!
Thank you for "casting" some light on the subject, so we could see what you mean , , ,
The only positive to cast or hypereutectic piston is less expansion rate. That way they can run a tighter clearance. It increases longevity and mileage but sacrifices brute strength needed in high horsepower applications.
That is why high performance use steel. Aluminium is just cheap and best for mass production.
When Bobby Lee turn into a mechanic 👀
This guy sounds so Canadian
Forged pistons did not help once I got to sledgehammer performance levels