Even without the fact that it's legendary it should have priority. Cannot overrules can, always. Moonfang's effect explicitly states that it is impossible for it to take 2 damage at once (can only take 1 damage is pretty concrete with no loopholes). There is no logical reason for "dealing double damage" to override that effect. That is objectively counterintuitive.
@@kingofbudokai The Mo'arg doesn't say "spells deal double damage" but "minions take double damage". I think it resolves in the order they are played: Moonfang to 1, Mo'arg to 2. #edit: nope, even with Mo'arg first, Moonfang will take 2 damage.
@@kingofbudokai There are actually examples of can overriding can't in Hearthstone. You can cast Hysteria on minions that "can't attack" or are frozen and force them to attack other minions; same thing goes for things like Mayor Noggenfogger. Kayn Sunfury allows friendly attacks to ignore Taunt. These are admittedly exceptions to the rule, but that's kind of the point of my comment. I will agree that this Moonfang/Mo'arg interaction feels counterintuitive, but it is a different effect from just stacking spellpower/attack value.
It's a bug. I believe Kazakus puts two SPELLS together (I think that's how the game registers it) and then they each activate twice as they are a part of 1 combined spell (Going twice with Solar Eclipse). This is clearly a big bug.
Don't worry guys Blizzard already fixed moonfang. They change the Description to "Might eventually only take 1 damage at a time if the right conditions are met that don't possibly interfere with the fact that this minion usually should only take 1 damage at a time but this is not set in stone, it can happen that this will take more then 1 damage at a time."
So we thought the order was: 1. Cast spell 2. Mo'arg doubles damage 3. Minion takes damage But turns out it's actually: 1. Cast spell 2. Minion takes damage 3. Mo'arg doubles damage I hate how that works
Because the potions is technically 2 cards fused into one, the eclipse read each combination twice. Quadruple casting the spell definitely a coding error.
That's a bad plan then. The nightmare came from druid likely. You usually just get 2 Ysera cards from him. Hence why the vid is on trolden imo, extreme example of rng.
double spell effect starts -> kazakus spell plays -> kazakus spell -> deal 5 -> deal 5 -> gain armor -> gain armor -> kazakus spell -> deal 5 -> deal 5 -> gain armor -> gain armor -> double spell effect stops consequences of spaghetti code, seems like kazakus spell is not a single spell, but a card that "plays" another spells "from your hand" and that happens.
for that last clip, the beast can only take 1 damage right, so if you got an effect which doubles the damage minions can take, 1x1=2 according to blizz lol
when you play Kazakus and put together a potion, the two effects that you choose are presented to you as spells. they're then combined into one spell, but it's possible the coding behind it still remembers that it's a combination of two separate spells. so Solar Eclipse doubles the 5-mana Kazakus potion but also doubles the spells it contains. or at least that's my best guess as to how this bug can happen
7:46 встречался мне такой друид, у которого всё точно так же получилось -___- 9:16 по мне, так не должен работать моарг и волчица...всё-таки волчица - легендарная карта и такая фигня должна быть явно не в пользу противного демона...
@@ВикторФедоров-м2и моарг то работает правильно, просто в таком случае приоритет должен идти по логике волчице, потому что она лега, а моарг эпик. То есть эффект волчицы должен накладываться последним, чтобы урон никак не превышал единицу.
@@ВикторФедоров-м2и я не обвинял карту. Я сказал, что по моему так не должно работать... волчица легендарная карта! И "прав" у неё должно быть больше...
The Jurassic Park “meme” sound for every King Krush/ dino is so overplayed now. Please find a different joke. It hasn’t been funny for the last 3 years.
@@JasonKlein97 I mean Big Chungus is arguably “iconic,” but that doesn’t save it from being annoying and a dead meme. But I guess if someone thinks the screeching dino sound is still funny, then it does have a place.
moonfang's effect reduces any damage to 1. it reduced the eye beam to 1 damage. but mo'arg's effect doubles all damage against minions. so moonfang took 1 like it was supposed to, the 1 was just doubled. 1x2=2
You are wrong and so is blizzard, "all minions takes double damage from spell", so eye beam instead of doing 3 it is doing 6 but moonfang can only take one damage at a time so even if eye beam does 6, moonfang should only take one. Blizzard needs to fix this because this is an obvious mistake.
Not really. The card says it always takes 1 damage, meaning that should be the limit no matter what. The fact the Moarg is applied afterwards is, to me, a bug.
depends alot on order. here the damage is being applied, then changed to 1, THEN doubled. in my opinion, it should double first and then reset the damage to 1. like, if they had 2 spell damage, you wouldn't expect moonfang to take 2+1 damage either right?
Moarg effect always applies last. Every Hearthstone effect that "doubles" something applies last, from Moarg to Velen. That's why they double things increased by spell damage.
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you guys are cool for watching hearthstone
You are cool for making Heartstone content
ГДЕ СИЛЬВЕРНЕЙМ?????
You are cool for making hearthstone quality content
but we're not cool at playing Hearthstone xd
It's more entertaining than playing it, keep it up man.
I want ”Still Won” engraved in my tombstone
Silver trophies should have «Still Lost» 😂
You won but at what cost?
moonfang's effect should really have priority jfc it's a legendary
Even without the fact that it's legendary it should have priority. Cannot overrules can, always. Moonfang's effect explicitly states that it is impossible for it to take 2 damage at once (can only take 1 damage is pretty concrete with no loopholes). There is no logical reason for "dealing double damage" to override that effect. That is objectively counterintuitive.
@@kingofbudokai The Mo'arg doesn't say "spells deal double damage" but "minions take double damage". I think it resolves in the order they are played: Moonfang to 1, Mo'arg to 2.
#edit: nope, even with Mo'arg first, Moonfang will take 2 damage.
@@kingofbudokai There are actually examples of can overriding can't in Hearthstone. You can cast Hysteria on minions that "can't attack" or are frozen and force them to attack other minions; same thing goes for things like Mayor Noggenfogger. Kayn Sunfury allows friendly attacks to ignore Taunt. These are admittedly exceptions to the rule, but that's kind of the point of my comment.
I will agree that this Moonfang/Mo'arg interaction feels counterintuitive, but it is a different effect from just stacking spellpower/attack value.
Laughs in Ben Brode
Spaghetti code 😂
I cant believe High Roll Jesus made it into trolden!
Where did your deck tracker go 😂
That one turn otk was sweet with c’thun
that one turn one turn kill was sweet with c'thun
I liked that one turn OTK Kill too.
Glad it wasn't a two turn otk
Why does 2:45 deal the damage four times???
We dont know, thats the point of the clip
a bug clearly
It's a bug. I believe Kazakus puts two SPELLS together (I think that's how the game registers it) and then they each activate twice as they are a part of 1 combined spell (Going twice with Solar Eclipse). This is clearly a big bug.
It's a bug, double spell effects (like Electra Stormsurge and Solar Eclipse) will cause Kazakus's potions to cast 4 times.
Thijs never lucky, the universe checks out.
Today I learned that 1 is sometimes 2. And also that 1 can sometimes be 0.
And 10 sometimes is 20!
@@williamhaugland1971 hahahaha
5x2=20 is typically blizzard math
Don't worry guys Blizzard already fixed moonfang. They change the Description to "Might eventually only take 1 damage at a time if the right conditions are met that don't possibly interfere with the fact that this minion usually should only take 1 damage at a time but this is not set in stone, it can happen that this will take more then 1 damage at a time."
That Guff Troop Music hits right in my childhood
Sounds like contra 3 theme
@@ZvraPN The music is Goofy or Max from the Goof Troop SNES game
@@xBox360BENUTZER nice. Thanks friend
Why does Nosforatu look like Putin mixed with Count Orlok?
That time moonfang might be useful, but it isn't...
So we thought the order was:
1. Cast spell
2. Mo'arg doubles damage
3. Minion takes damage
But turns out it's actually:
1. Cast spell
2. Minion takes damage
3. Mo'arg doubles damage
I hate how that works
What happened 3:04 ??
yeah, curious about it too
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Because the potions is technically 2 cards fused into one, the eclipse read each combination twice. Quadruple casting the spell definitely a coding error.
@@bytez3322 I see, thanks man, cheers.
Thijs getting rekt as always
That KEKW was in the point XD
"still won" b/c he was playing priest LUL
3:04 My thoughts. Because kazakus potion makes separately, it has two effects: makes damage, gains armor. And “solar eclipse” doubles both effects
yeah u might be right but i should not interact like that
It copy both effect twice then since deal 5 happen 3 time
Interesting effect. 2 * 5 damage + 2 * 7 armor + 2 * 5 damage + 2 x 7 armor. It dubbled AND was casted twice.
5:30 why did the water elemental got transformed even though the 2nd one attack the riverdare?
It didn't attack the riverdare. Units always first move back a bit and then attack. Kinda like taking a few steps back
@@1998marijn1998 oh thought im trippin, completly forgot about that, thanks :)
I was about to take a shower when I decided to watch this video. After watching that Guff clip, I know I need one now
The Al'akir combo is literally the intended finisher of the deck.
That's a bad plan then. The nightmare came from druid likely. You usually just get 2 Ysera cards from him. Hence why the vid is on trolden imo, extreme example of rng.
8:23
c'thun parts 4 in a row btw.
FOR THE GLORY OF THE HORDE
How can you title some clips "Hip to be square" and NOT use "It's hip to be square"?
Because Trolden avoids copyrighted material as much as possible to be safe from copyright claims.
ぶんぶんが海外デビューしてて草
"Hip to be square"
*preceeds to play jules gaia*
SeemsGood
"Could you repeat that" Thijs?
Yeah Thijs... We are tired of Created by too
How come druid always makes the comeback for bullshit op decks?
You should rename this channel to "Thijs Getting Owned"
To the guy in chat at the first clip that said that he hopes aggro priest will be a thing: i hope you are happy now
that anakin face meme 6:03)))
3:43 why valeera has a counter spell and fireball?
Dude the SNES Goof Troop music is *mwah
can somebody explain the 5x2 = 20 one?
double spell effect starts -> kazakus spell plays -> kazakus spell -> deal 5 -> deal 5 -> gain armor -> gain armor -> kazakus spell -> deal 5 -> deal 5 -> gain armor -> gain armor -> double spell effect stops
consequences of spaghetti code, seems like kazakus spell is not a single spell, but a card that "plays" another spells "from your hand" and that happens.
Yoooo wowhobbs
for that last clip, the beast can only take 1 damage right, so if you got an effect which doubles the damage minions can take, 1x1=2 according to blizz lol
Ranked it's not even ranked. It's just "created by ranked"
So stupid become this game, just random
I think they have to stop do "created by card", that cards are overpovered
5:00 young Quentin Tarantino playing HS?
what the hell is thijs wearing. did he lose a bet.
RIP cowchop James @uberhaxornova laugh always cured my sadness 6:37
It's always 1. Except when it is not! Haha gotta love HS mechanics :D
3:02 weirdest interaction i've seen in a while, can anyone explain?
when you play Kazakus and put together a potion, the two effects that you choose are presented to you as spells. they're then combined into one spell, but it's possible the coding behind it still remembers that it's a combination of two separate spells. so Solar Eclipse doubles the 5-mana Kazakus potion but also doubles the spells it contains. or at least that's my best guess as to how this bug can happen
@@bereisgreat its a double double actually since the deal 5 happen 3 time
Bad coding and lack of testing is why.
Blizzard, small indie company
Aw my submission didn't make it 😔
OOOh my dear Risitas you are till the best and common audio of laugh on the internet even after your death
4:08 bnbn is a Japanese comedian good at Hearthstone a bit.
3:18 realy what? How spell cast 4 time solar make it Double not four😳
Sup trollden-san
7:46 встречался мне такой друид, у которого всё точно так же получилось -___-
9:16 по мне, так не должен работать моарг и волчица...всё-таки волчица - легендарная карта и такая фигня должна быть явно не в пользу противного демона...
моарг работает правильно, все соответствует описанию карты, так что совсем бессмысленное обвинение карты
@@ВикторФедоров-м2и моарг то работает правильно, просто в таком случае приоритет должен идти по логике волчице, потому что она лега, а моарг эпик. То есть эффект волчицы должен накладываться последним, чтобы урон никак не превышал единицу.
@@ВикторФедоров-м2и я не обвинял карту. Я сказал, что по моему так не должно работать... волчица легендарная карта! И "прав" у неё должно быть больше...
Why does Prison Trump have a Dutch accent?
Чел который на Целестиал друиде супер . Буду теперь пробовать чтобы такое же сотворить . Чудо!!!
4:02 My DM's face when I counterspell his spells.
Wudnt piercing shot deal 8 dmg to the face in that end clip thou
Alguien sabe que fue del canal que sus videos empezaban con un puño?
9:26 idk that interaction
🇧🇷
constructed is stupid
4:07 почему переведено как источник? В хартстоуне же написано "создано *тем-то*"
5:20 i love rngstone
KEKW thijs
Gangster Thijs kinda cute ngl
3:02 Wait what?
Spicy c'thun
What happened with that kazakus clip? I've never seen anything like that.
Something Something it's 2 spells put together so when doubled it's 4 spells total something something it's 4 of the combined spell
Time to make the Stormwind outtro
Is that last clip a bug ?
how did he get 3 lightning blooms in the first clip??
resizing pouch
0:07 yeah, turn 2, but going second with coin.
0:54 how the hell did he get Power word: shield?
His deck has Lorewalker Cho, so I believe that's how he got it (and he also got Hysteria)
@@leaudro Thank you.
That Goof Troop music ❤️❤️❤️
Гуф труп это классика
5 mins squad here
E TU KEKW
Wowhobbs yay!
lol rarran
Poor Lope
Whats name of song when King Crush appear?
It's in the description, but here it is again: th-cam.com/video/x6aHTwukdkg/w-d-xo.html
@@madaggar9765 omg thank you so much. I was serching that for like 1 or even 2 years. Never check descriptions. mby big problen
7:45 The fact that this isn't a Wild clip is filth. Mana manipulation is so bad.
Doesn't make sense for the spells to cost 0. I think it is a bug.
@@flamefusion8963 Why? He played Lady Anacondra, the clip opened showing her text.
@@Nibbieful he played the lady anaconda before the celestial.
@@flamefusion8963 Anocondra is still in play though, which means the cost is still reduced
@@flamefusion8963 Yeah, you have to, otherwise the innervates and lightning blooms will cost 1 and you can't play them after alignment
OMG!
А почему 4 фаербола полетело? 3:18
баг
ETU *intensifies*
Np bro
The Jurassic Park “meme” sound for every King Krush/ dino is so overplayed now. Please find a different joke. It hasn’t been funny for the last 3 years.
I love your content, but I need to call this one out. Please stop.
disagree, it’s iconic. Stop being a hater. Dinos go brrrrr
@@JasonKlein97 I mean Big Chungus is arguably “iconic,” but that doesn’t save it from being annoying and a dead meme. But I guess if someone thinks the screeching dino sound is still funny, then it does have a place.
Hi trolden
7:50 нужна дека
Mo'arg > Moonfang
moonfang's effect reduces any damage to 1. it reduced the eye beam to 1 damage. but mo'arg's effect doubles all damage against minions. so moonfang took 1 like it was supposed to, the 1 was just doubled. 1x2=2
No
You are wrong and so is blizzard, "all minions takes double damage from spell", so eye beam instead of doing 3 it is doing 6 but moonfang can only take one damage at a time so even if eye beam does 6, moonfang should only take one. Blizzard needs to fix this because this is an obvious mistake.
The moonfang and moarg interaction is so unituitive but it makes sense, 2x1=2.
Not really. The card says it always takes 1 damage, meaning that should be the limit no matter what. The fact the Moarg is applied afterwards is, to me, a bug.
depends alot on order. here the damage is being applied, then changed to 1, THEN doubled. in my opinion, it should double first and then reset the damage to 1. like, if they had 2 spell damage, you wouldn't expect moonfang to take 2+1 damage either right?
@@johannesvahlkvist Yeah, I agree. With spell damage it's 1+1=1, but with Moarg it's 1x 2 = 2?. It really doesn't make any sense.
I wonder if it depends on the order of units being played. Maybe if the moonfang is played last then it only takes 1 damage.
Moarg effect always applies last. Every Hearthstone effect that "doubles" something applies last, from Moarg to Velen. That's why they double things increased by spell damage.
Idk how many times was I vibing by watching your videos and immediately got interrupted by that overused Jurassic music
First
Why no one was excited of this dude's 7:48 luck? He drew all parts of C'Thun in a row in one turn!
опять не бг факинг фак
first
When this hits episode 666 I will let a certain hidden truth be known.
6:28
Now that the laughing guy is dead, its kind of sad to use his laughter, pls staph
It was on stream, can't do much here