@@Rozin- I agree, but some people had started putting him in the conversation, or just talking about crim and scump, almost as if people forgot about db3
Honestly the amount of respect between faze and optic always astounds me considering they where always so tightly matched and their fan bases hate each other.
@@dixontudeep7248fr mf needs to go. I still wonder who let their grandpa in the cod scene. He would be 1000x better in a behind the scenes producer role or any role where he’s not speaking on camera. Plus it would also make the production of zoomas show better and allow him to focus on hosting and entertaining instead of producing the show at the same time
Zooma is sooo right about Damon. I don't honestly know how people think Crim over Damon. Crim and Damon are on both dynasty teams and have most champs...automatically go to 1 and 2. Then Damon has 3 LAN Champs to Crims 2 LAN champs. The amount of stock people put into this online champs is absurd. Additionally Damon always had to do the shitty dirty work.
My brain was low key looking for Clay bc he’s always in the convo for top players and then I realized the mf is still arguably the best player on his team (they’re not good, but still). We better give that man his flowers when he hangs up the headset. I’m an Optic Fan through and through but Clays longevity and fire to win is something not a single OG dynasty member could match and that’s so mf tippable. Possible Goat when he’s done.
Clay is an all time great and you still manage to overhype him. Gwinn is the best one on their team, there is no argument, and Crim could easily keep up with Clay. Fact is, Clay is not beating any or all of Crim, Karma and Scump when it comes to who is the goat unless he wins another ring and the chances of that seem about 0,1% this year.
@@nicklawlor5257 Lmao formal was mid asf after the dynasty fell apart and only had flashes of brilliance. WW2 and bo4 he was mid until champs (the one win he got was the rampart event), mw19 and especially cw formal was pretty terrible. Clay had more consistent years across those 4 games and it wasnt close. Clay and crim were about the same. Scump is an anomaly, but he was hella slow so he naturally had good stats.
Real OG’s know Assass1n back in COD4 was a monster. StainVille was nasty for NV. John was a special talent brought up by Moho in FeaR. Proof was an animal in his own right. The poster boy for comp cod back then. A special shoutout to Phizzurp RIP that guy was the top SnD player in the world for a while. Mw2 really kicked off the cod competitive scene imho.
Crim never won a major chip on a team that wasnt stacked and always lost when facind aches. Karma took a team with censor and blessed him with a chip. Karma #1
I truly think that you cant be wrong going with any of the 3 of Scump, Crim, and Karma for the #1 spot. But at the end of the day, just like the LBJ/MJ debate, i dont think there's one singular GOAT personally. Longevity and wins: Crim Longevity and individual stats/skill: Scump Longevity and versatility +only true 3x champ: Karma Doesnt matter though because when its all said and done i think we all know Simp will end up the GOAT 😅
Damon is the most impactful player during his time. He was clearly the best player over 2 consecutive seasons and was the most critical player for his rings. Scump is just off the charts skill wise and you could argue Karma - as an opponent - is the reason he doesn’t have more rings. His only ring, Karma was his teammate.
I mean if we're factoring in takeover mode, how impactful, consistency along with number of chips then Scump is clear cut number 1. Damon is still the only one with 3 rings on LAN. Sharp disrespect is crazy but i guess they didn't know he's a champion
@@Idk-v5p Being on a good team doesn't guarantee results, especially with coL in ghost, optic dynasty during packs, Faze & Empire during CDL . Its asking alot for anyone to consistently win with these teams running the league
Personally, i think Skrapz is easily a tier above Wusk. Wusk was solid for sure but he never had a stretch where he was considered one of the best at his role(outside of sniping in a few titles lol he was nasty at that). Idk if people forget or what but there were times in WW2 and BO4 both when you HAD to consider Skrapz in the convo for best flex players.
I need to have a baseline criteria for these ratings. For example, how is Skrapz over Jurd, Rambo, or Faccento. All of them played longer and were more succesful. Or why is John higher than Teep, Kap or Ap? Teep has probably twice the amount of event wins and Kap/Ap both have two rings.
Guys are crazy putting Nadeshot on A tier under Slacked. Nade has 1 ring (MW3) XGames Gold Medal, 2014 eSports Player of the Year. These guys have lost it. 💔💔💔💔
Dang I feel bad for TuQuick tbh. I didn't really get to watch him in his prime(MW3) but tft they threw him as the only actual pro in D with Ben is kinda messed up lol. I KNOW there's no way he was worse than Pac
Here’s all people need to do: watch Scump/Formal highlight videos. You’ll see flashy plays showcasing their raw talent. No one disagrees that they are two of the most individually talented players of all time. Now I will raise you this: watch Karma highlights. Absolutely stacked with 1v2 and 1v3 SnD clutches. In call of duty, that is what wins maps, series, and tournaments. Unpopular opinion he is still in the debate for the GOAT alongside Crim and Scump.
Great list, but y’all left out Phizz RIP to the snd don :/ def an A-tier. Only played from BO1 to BO3, won 3 chips (i think) and was a top 3 search player for years
This retired tier list is better than the Optic one. I feel like the Optic one they were trying not to hurt anyone's feelings. Zin got blessed by the friend cheese in this one tho lol
@@GurinderJohal yes. The Optic one, it was all jokes to put him in the bottom. The Faze one, he benefitted by being friends (IMO) with Zoomaa and got placed a Tier above where I believe he should be (only two chips in career). Most of the other retired pros were placed more appropriately in the Faze one then the Optic one.
These kids are too young to understand. It really ain’t all about “chips”!!!! Think of it like the NBA. Tracey Mcgrady was a shooter, but never won a chip. Yet if you had a line up he would be in the convo. I can’t believe they put Rambo low. He was the guy that proved you can make it with brains!!!
@@GurinderJohal Crim only won 1 event after karma retired. So realistically even if you exclude the chips he won following karmas retirement he still had 8 tournament wins over Damon. With tournament wins and MVP wins in the MLG, CWL and CDL era
@@GurinderJohalno he didn't lol he played maybe 2 or 3 more season and Karma was washed at the end. He's one of the reasons Seattle was so bad. And he obviously double digits him on chips.
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Cell was speaking facts 💯
Bruh I was waiting the whole video to hear what Cell had to say 😂😭😭
He really was 💯
Ong I felt that
Fr tho 💯, he was preaching the whole time
@eduardoramirez9162 😂😂 bro what you mean ? he had a lot to say hahah
People forget karma only played in 6 champs and won 3 of them. Played 8 seasons, benched mid season of ww2, and retired mid season of MW19.
wtf u trynna say? He’s still the goat
@@tony55833 that he’s overlooked as being the goat 😂 people just talk about crim, scump, and sometimes clay now.
Wow
@@charlessimpson2284clay will never be in that conversation
@@Rozin- I agree, but some people had started putting him in the conversation, or just talking about crim and scump, almost as if people forgot about db3
Honestly the amount of respect between faze and optic always astounds me considering they where always so tightly matched and their fan bases hate each other.
Having Ben and Tom run the content for Atlanta Faze might be the move 👀
Tom is alright. Ben Nissim gets the ad treatment. SKIP!
It's not
@@dixontudeep7248fr mf needs to go. I still wonder who let their grandpa in the cod scene. He would be 1000x better in a behind the scenes producer role or any role where he’s not speaking on camera. Plus it would also make the production of zoomas show better and allow him to focus on hosting and entertaining instead of producing the show at the same time
Tom yes Ben irrelevant
Naw ben loud and annoying
Cellium didn’t say a word😂
Still checked they removed snaking 😂
He’s never held a boob bro, leave him be
ben yapped the whole video
@@AJ-vc6dm ofc, ben NEVER played.. like, his input is kinda.. like... ehhhhhhh
Bros just there for the check 😂😂😂
Ben like that make a wish kid that is just excited to ask questions to his heroes
Still waiting for MC to say one word
Bro did try speak up a few times but he gets cut off
No personality tbh everyone gasses him for how funny he is. The only funny thing he does in streams atleast is dm Tommy as Ben
@@imranaftab9011that’s why he’s funny to me… it’s out of character
@quincyanitak122 maybe his whole personality is literally portraying someone else on team speak every time
Zooma is sooo right about Damon. I don't honestly know how people think Crim over Damon. Crim and Damon are on both dynasty teams and have most champs...automatically go to 1 and 2. Then Damon has 3 LAN Champs to Crims 2 LAN champs. The amount of stock people put into this online champs is absurd. Additionally Damon always had to do the shitty dirty work.
Whose fault is that? A ring is a ring
My brain was low key looking for Clay bc he’s always in the convo for top players and then I realized the mf is still arguably the best player on his team (they’re not good, but still). We better give that man his flowers when he hangs up the headset. I’m an Optic Fan through and through but Clays longevity and fire to win is something not a single OG dynasty member could match and that’s so mf tippable. Possible Goat when he’s done.
Clay is an all time great and you still manage to overhype him. Gwinn is the best one on their team, there is no argument, and Crim could easily keep up with Clay.
Fact is, Clay is not beating any or all of Crim, Karma and Scump when it comes to who is the goat unless he wins another ring and the chances of that seem about 0,1% this year.
maybe T4
@@helforsite3130Clay > Karma easily
Scump crim and formal would all outperform clay still hes been average for the past 4 years
@@nicklawlor5257 Lmao formal was mid asf after the dynasty fell apart and only had flashes of brilliance. WW2 and bo4 he was mid until champs (the one win he got was the rampart event), mw19 and especially cw formal was pretty terrible. Clay had more consistent years across those 4 games and it wasnt close. Clay and crim were about the same. Scump is an anomaly, but he was hella slow so he naturally had good stats.
having scump in D on the thumbnail is such good clickbait XD
cell hit the penjamin before the vid
Is you ever feel useless just remember cell was in this ranking video
people forget karma won back to back rings in bo2/ghosts
Nobody forgot. Karma is the goat
these new players dont know karma taught the complexity/eg how to win in ghosts as he slapped them the previous year in bo2@@DeathsHusk
15:30 “He has a built in Kontrol freek” LMAO that shit is some crazy banter💀💀💀
Putting Zinni in A tier is criminal
Sinister
yah he's B at best
he was a good player, just didnt win alot. its a team game
@booky8148 decent just not valuable CW and WW2 showed that
@@booky8148 He was mid af at best
Did cell say a word 😂
Phenomenal 🤝
Hey keeping a low profile I see.
The sharp disrespect is crazy !!!
Real OG’s know Assass1n back in COD4 was a monster. StainVille was nasty for NV. John was a special talent brought up by Moho in FeaR. Proof was an animal in his own right. The poster boy for comp cod back then.
A special shoutout to Phizzurp RIP that guy was the top SnD player in the world for a while. Mw2 really kicked off the cod competitive scene imho.
You remember reckless gaming from cod4?
Crim never won a major chip on a team that wasnt stacked and always lost when facind aches. Karma took a team with censor and blessed him with a chip. Karma #1
Karma no way he is #1 with those KD’s
I truly think that you cant be wrong going with any of the 3 of Scump, Crim, and Karma for the #1 spot. But at the end of the day, just like the LBJ/MJ debate, i dont think there's one singular GOAT personally.
Longevity and wins: Crim
Longevity and individual stats/skill: Scump
Longevity and versatility +only true 3x champ: Karma
Doesnt matter though because when its all said and done i think we all know Simp will end up the GOAT 😅
He won’t end up overtaking crim I don’t think
At the end of the day Scump is just a way better player than Damon or Crim
@@k.2754but he’s accomplished less
@@vaytox6394he definitely overtakes Crim
Damon is the most impactful player during his time. He was clearly the best player over 2 consecutive seasons and was the most critical player for his rings. Scump is just off the charts skill wise and you could argue Karma - as an opponent - is the reason he doesn’t have more rings. His only ring, Karma was his teammate.
Scump and crim > kerma
Cellium didn't say a word lol
I love my OpTic boys but y’all did a way better job with this tier ranking
Trash vs garbage tier lists if we are being honest
Pretty sure Sharp won Cod4 Nats with eXtraavagent Icons with BigT which was Champs then
Don’t tell me zin better then zero 😂😂😂😂😂wack for that one
NEVER, EVER, EVER disrespect the scene by putting Pat above Matthew 'FormaL' Piper. Pat was great but he's nowhere close to FormaL's talent.
I mean if we're factoring in takeover mode, how impactful, consistency along with number of chips then Scump is clear cut number 1. Damon is still the only one with 3 rings on LAN. Sharp disrespect is crazy but i guess they didn't know he's a champion
Sharpe was the best player on TK
Karma is the best in the game ❤
Cellium needs to quieten down so the others can get a word in 🙄
Better then optics tier list. They were too nice 😂
im an optic fan but this list was better than theirs an im with tom on the karma #1 take the man did it all
God tier Content by the way.
Zin being a tier is actually a red card
He was really good at his peak tbf, 2 events, MVP of both those event wins. Bottom of A, top of B is fair
Nah nah mid b is best 🫡
@@miguelhernandez7845clearly not familiar with bigbackTony
Bros been a pro since ghost on good teams and only won 2 times. Red card fr
@@Idk-v5p Being on a good team doesn't guarantee results, especially with coL in ghost, optic dynasty during packs, Faze & Empire during CDL . Its asking alot for anyone to consistently win with these teams running the league
Putting players with no chips above those with multiple 😂😂
Sharp was world champ in cod4 🤷🏻♂️
My first thought, these kids don’t know
He won with Rambo and Big T..smh. cant disrespect Sharp like that
@@XHG0m3ZXbest1nthelobby iykyk
ZooMaa even says PacMan is a national champion so he’s gotta be above Sharp, even tho Sharp won as well. Crazy
I don’t remember much of the players from those days but i do know team FeaR won champs for cod4
Having ZOOMAA and WEN in the back made this watchable. Just cause I've seen too many Tier list.
That thumbnail alone is gonna bring in the whole greenwall
Personally, i think Skrapz is easily a tier above Wusk. Wusk was solid for sure but he never had a stretch where he was considered one of the best at his role(outside of sniping in a few titles lol he was nasty at that). Idk if people forget or what but there were times in WW2 and BO4 both when you HAD to consider Skrapz in the convo for best flex players.
Mw2019 was Wuskins best year and he was definitely nasty that year but I agree
thanks for your contribution MC
How is everybody in S but no one is in D? Doesn’t make sense
Top 4 for me Karma , Crim, Scump , Formal
That boy Zoomaa lookin handsome
Cell sitting there like Marshawn - just here so he don’t get fined 🤣🤣
Simp is a savage,, everyone gassin Ben in the beginning then the tier pops up, Simp “ whoop, bottom of the list” 🤣🤣
Faze's current marketing strategy:
1. Copy recent OpTic content
2. ...
3. Bend over for Scump
Great content.
This was filmed months ago back in the offseason
This was filmed in August 2023. When ZooMaa and Ben went to Atlanta to film content with the FaZe team. So technically FaZe did this first.
You got sat tf down😂😂
Proof was him his shot was absolutely beautiful back in the day. Crim dedo and proofy had the nastiest shots in black ops 2
Ben saying John above Teep might be the wildest take ive ever heard lmfao
As an OpTic fan this is way better than their retired pro tier list
keep putting out stuff like this
I need to have a baseline criteria for these ratings. For example, how is Skrapz over Jurd, Rambo, or Faccento. All of them played longer and were more succesful. Or why is John higher than Teep, Kap or Ap? Teep has probably twice the amount of event wins and Kap/Ap both have two rings.
Is not skrapz it was wuskin
Cell's autism kicking right in there 🤣🤣🤣 guy spoke about 3 words lmao
IM GLAD THEY INCLUDED SHARP
Guys are crazy putting Nadeshot on A tier under Slacked. Nade has 1 ring (MW3) XGames Gold Medal, 2014 eSports Player of the Year. These guys have lost it. 💔💔💔💔
How many times did Cel blink in this video?
The sharp disrespect man
Man them boys gotta learn about sharp
TK Sharp was crazy good on COD4
S tier should definitely still be the smallest group
Cells Eyelids might have to be S tier, them things goin crazy 😂😂
No Havok?
Did parasite do anything past bo2?
havok???
and Phizz smh i was pissed
Surprised about the lack of knowledge about these players
Zooma in S tier is funny asf 😂
Dang I feel bad for TuQuick tbh. I didn't really get to watch him in his prime(MW3) but tft they threw him as the only actual pro in D with Ben is kinda messed up lol. I KNOW there's no way he was worse than Pac
Lmfao yea pac is definitely average
This is literally all Ben and Zooma 😂
Here’s all people need to do: watch Scump/Formal highlight videos. You’ll see flashy plays showcasing their raw talent. No one disagrees that they are two of the most individually talented players of all time. Now I will raise you this: watch Karma highlights. Absolutely stacked with 1v2 and 1v3 SnD clutches. In call of duty, that is what wins maps, series, and tournaments. Unpopular opinion he is still in the debate for the GOAT alongside Crim and Scump.
Top tier content 💯
Keep up the content 🔥🔥🔥
Sharp got a chip with Bigtymer
1.scump 2.crim 3.clay 4.karma 5.formal i feel like is the average consensus
Celium- “🤓“
Great list, but y’all left out Phizz RIP to the snd don :/ def an A-tier. Only played from BO1 to BO3, won 3 chips (i think) and was a top 3 search player for years
Does cell speak?
23:05 I believe is the only time he said anything 😂😂
can we get a blink counter for MC
Bro tom looks so damn young in this.
Much better vid than the optic one 👍🏻
Built in kontrol freak man that shit got me
🤣🤣
didnt ricky get a chip at pax in bo2? or does it not count
Damon is #1 hands down. No other opinion is needed. No one has ever elevated teams to the level Karma has.
Zinni over trei who has a ring is wild
Cell was electric this video!
Awwww ben is zoomas little pocket buddy🥺
Should’ve gotten pat for this episode. Do it over with him. I beg 🙏🏻
Enable aka ‘The ginger one thumb ninja’ 😂
Don’t forget all of Karma’s Rings are on LAN
21:48 wtf Ben
This guy MC didn’t speak a single time 🤣 guy was faded
need to get zack some dunks to match the boys
This retired tier list is better than the Optic one. I feel like the Optic one they were trying not to hurt anyone's feelings. Zin got blessed by the friend cheese in this one tho lol
So you say that bout the optic list then follow it with Zin got A tier which is insane 😂😂
@@GurinderJohal yes. The Optic one, it was all jokes to put him in the bottom. The Faze one, he benefitted by being friends (IMO) with Zoomaa and got placed a Tier above where I believe he should be (only two chips in career). Most of the other retired pros were placed more appropriately in the Faze one then the Optic one.
Waaay too many players in S
You guys forgot the Goat Doug Censor Martin 🐐
These kids are too young to understand. It really ain’t all about “chips”!!!! Think of it like the NBA. Tracey Mcgrady was a shooter, but never won a chip. Yet if you had a line up he would be in the convo. I can’t believe they put Rambo low. He was the guy that proved you can make it with brains!!!
karma was overall just a better player then crim db3 literally did everything.
In my mind, Karma is the ONLY player with three rings. Clay and Crim both got the online cheese rings.
Crims got like 9 more chips kid
@@br5073 Crim also played much more seasons than Damon so of course he would have more chips
@@GurinderJohal Crim only won 1 event after karma retired. So realistically even if you exclude the chips he won following karmas retirement he still had 8 tournament wins over Damon. With tournament wins and MVP wins in the MLG, CWL and CDL era
@@GurinderJohalno he didn't lol he played maybe 2 or 3 more season and Karma was washed at the end. He's one of the reasons Seattle was so bad. And he obviously double digits him on chips.
@@br5073 I'm just arguing the rings little boy
LOVE THE CONTENT BOYS!! #EZAF 🔴⚫️🐐
great vid
cellium is a guest character man barly talked hahaha
No havok?