Thanks for running through your process! Just a suggestion, when doing A/B comparisons, it's easier to hear the difference if you don't interrupt it with your talking
Cool tutorials, thanks a lot for that👍 Just a recommendation for future videos (which I hope are going to come😀): When showing the difference between settings or turning plugins on and off, just don't pause the playback and say "Now, with this on/off you can hear...." and then start the playback again. Just let the playback run while switching whatever setting you want to show, so anyone can immediately hear the difference. When you are pausing the playback and speaking, there is no possibility to hear subtle differences, because you just forget what it sounded like before.
How can you talk about Phase without an Oscilloscope? -you edited the phase with voxengo, but then isolated the first 1/16th bass note and added EQ (which alters the phase again). Without an oscilloscope, you miss out on seeing what you have done to the phase relationship between this and the kick! -seems like if you aren't going to use an oscilloscope, a better way (without eq) to treat the bass would be at the synth level: 2 synth patches, one with the fundamental and one without. You then don't need to eq cut, or worry about the effect of eq on phase for that no fundamental note. Sorry for all the questions, but it just doesn't make sense, but you're tutorials are GREAT!
Another way to lower the sub on that first bass note is to use waves C6 multiband side chain compressor, use the kick as the side chain signal and set the low band to turn down the sub and bypass all the other bands with a release time of around 1/8 so that it comes back up after the first bass note, I found it gives a smoother release/transition than cutting the audio up.
This is a great tutorial, but I have one question. Would EQing out the sub freqs from the overlapping part of the bass potentially screw up the phase again?
This video is very useful, thank you! Can i use the same method? If I were to mix a Melbourne kick and bass in the future, assuming the bass didn't overlap the kick, how would I check for phase?
Hey, I know that this video is +1 year old no, but I was hoing somebody could help me with a question I have. So, I've been getting great results for a long time (been making music for +>15 years) but always looking to add a tiny few extra % percent to the sound wherever possible. In Psytrance, this obsessive (yet necessary) attention to detail is because Kick and bass is the foundation of the entire track! So I'm assuming that somebody that has gone through the same processing chain has some answers.. Regarding LFO tool. It looks really simple. It uts, ducks or filters the audio based on time divisions. (18th/ 1/4 note etc.) but my question is - is the timer running free or is it based on audio triggering the envelope. Because if you make a track and for some reason your song goes out of allignment with the overall DAW sub divisions, then LFO tool will start cutting into the middle of sounds that are already playing, rather than an envelope designed to smooth out the end of the quarter note. Is there any way to change LFOTool into trigger mode, rather than a free running BPM counter?
Great video, can you explain what is the difference between linear phase eq and eq and when should one use linear phase eq? Secondly can you explain what can we do with fab Saturn on bass?
Thank you! A normal eq does can cause phase shifts when manipulated, specially with sharp curves, a linear phase eq maintains phase coherence on the signal regardless of your settings, however it does introduce more latency as it requires a higher amount cpu calculations. So if you want to make big changes (steep low cut curves etc) and maintain phase coherence, which can be important on high transient sounds such as the kick and bass, linear phase eq can be very useful, but use it sparingly and only when necessary because it takes up a massive amount of cpu
Very useful tutorial, just saw some waveforms of professional tracks. I saw there's both fade in and out on the basslines. I will try this out with lfo tool. Will att the basslines get this fade out with lfo tool? Would the voxengo plugin be the same thing as dragging the audio back or forth a few ms? Thank you for a great tutorial 😀🙏.
Hi Conny, thank you! Regarding the fadesm you should not fade in on the attack of the bassline, this will affect its transient and your bass will have a weak attack, but you should always fade out the end of your bass notes. Also, for the voxengo, switching the phase is not the same thing as changing the timing of your note, the PHA-979 also as a "Delay" knob that you can use to adjust that.
The Voxengo PHA-979 is changing the phase on the bass, which means that it's relationship with the kick will change regardless of what I do in LFO tool 😉
@@MiddleD cool I was just wondering as if your sidechaining then presumably you remove the need to adjust the phase. Unless it sound like you are not completely sidchaining away all phase crossover with kick and bass which sounds like what you are saying.
1 kick for each beat. 1 same note for the entire beat tempo. 1 single same note over every kick I must thank you for the video, of course. It's cool. But if the bass has note changes? And if the kick were not that boring same never-ending pile-driver pattern??? Hmmmmmmmmm... The ducking solution is great. Nice and clean. Thank you very much.
I'm showing it on a simple rolling bass pattern because it's an easier way to teach the basics to producers that are still learning it. Once you have the desired timbre, you can change the notes and the groove as much as you want 😉
I just tried the Voxengo PHA - 979 on a bass in cubase, while having your setting and adjusting the phase it sounds that the bass doesn´t play in time. Is there some kind of latency in the plugin and how can i solve this? Kind regards Conny
Stop playback and hit play again, to be able to change phase and timing the pha-979 needs to process its internal buffer and sometimes it doesn’t do it at first, so you need to let it play a bit, then stop and play again.
good ideas, nice technique, but what I dont like to convert bass in audio, is that is too many edits, and you always need to go back the MIDI instrument if you want to change something
I do! But for this video, which introduces the subject to people that are not necessarily used to it, I decided to start simple with the concept so I can go deeper with oscilloscopes in the next videos.
Let me know in the comment section what you would like to see next on my channel, I'm always open to new suggestions! 😉
Which video was the last one? You shuld leave the link in the description so we can check the 1st one.
When do we get the kick & bass layering video? I'm so excited for it.
teach me the neelix saw base :D ♥
Your tutorials were the best. I'm working on a track that I used your bass tutorial for and it's turning out really well. I hope you're doing well!
we really need that
@@justynwclark
Thanks for running through your process! Just a suggestion, when doing A/B comparisons, it's easier to hear the difference if you don't interrupt it with your talking
Cool tutorials, thanks a lot for that👍
Just a recommendation for future videos (which I hope are going to come😀): When showing the difference between settings or turning plugins on and off, just don't pause the playback and say "Now, with this on/off you can hear...." and then start the playback again. Just let the playback run while switching whatever setting you want to show, so anyone can immediately hear the difference. When you are pausing the playback and speaking, there is no possibility to hear subtle differences, because you just forget what it sounded like before.
Thank you for the suggestion! I appreciate it 😁
damn good tip!
Crucial information and knowledge for psy trance musicians
This channel is pure gold
Thank you Jorge!
very useful :D better A&B without any speech in middle , mr middle :P thanks for tips
dont stop, friend. doing videos. its very no bad
Thanks!
I always love the coffee drinking in the intro. 😂😅
Anyway nice tutorial. 😎👍🔥
Cheers Hyuri!
Your videos so far has been the best and clearest work through of making clean basslines
Thank you Michael!
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Thanks very much! I’ve been looking for a breakdown of this very thing! Very well explained ;) Cheers!!
How can you talk about Phase without an Oscilloscope?
-you edited the phase with voxengo, but then isolated the first 1/16th bass note and added EQ (which alters the phase again).
Without an oscilloscope, you miss out on seeing what you have done to the phase relationship between this and the kick!
-seems like if you aren't going to use an oscilloscope, a better way (without eq) to treat the bass would be at the synth level: 2 synth patches, one with the fundamental and one without. You then don't need to eq cut, or worry about the effect of eq on phase for that no fundamental note.
Sorry for all the questions, but it just doesn't make sense, but you're tutorials are GREAT!
brotheer, if you use the shaperbox to make the sidechain, you can cut the low end of the first bass without having to duplicate the chanel
Another way to lower the sub on that first bass note is to use waves C6 multiband side chain compressor, use the kick as the side chain signal and set the low band to turn down the sub and bypass all the other bands with a release time of around 1/8 so that it comes back up after the first bass note, I found it gives a smoother release/transition than cutting the audio up.
That destroys phase alignment
@@AboveEmAllProduction you could always render it down with the compression after and realign the phase.
@@origenic5237 yeah that you could :)
This is a great tutorial, but I have one question. Would EQing out the sub freqs from the overlapping part of the bass potentially screw up the phase again?
really helpful ......please upload more tutorials on psytrance.......like a vini vici & whitenoise style.
Peace.
That diffrence wow 😮😮😵
Thanks so much!
You're welcome!
we really need the layering bass video
Highclass...study in details.greetz
Thank you!
This video is very useful, thank you! Can i use the same method? If I were to mix a Melbourne kick and bass in the future, assuming the bass didn't overlap the kick, how would I check for phase?
Can you please make a tutorial about goa bass and kick?
Good tuto, why did you stop them ? (I m french, sorry if my english is not correct)
I love your channel 💞
Thank you! 🙏🏻
Cool Tutorial 👍
Thank you Elliott! 🙏🏻
Aulinha muito boa! No aguardo já da próxima! :D
Obrigado Rodolfo! 🙏🏻
Nice one🔥🔥🔥👍🏼
Thanks 🔥
Thanks for video! But can you show it with stock logic pro x plugin? Step fx or lfo?
Maybe one day in the future! 🙌🏻
Hey, I know that this video is +1 year old no, but I was hoing somebody could help me with a question I have.
So, I've been getting great results for a long time (been making music for +>15 years) but always looking to add a tiny few extra % percent to the sound wherever possible.
In Psytrance, this obsessive (yet necessary) attention to detail is because Kick and bass is the foundation of the entire track! So I'm assuming that somebody that has gone through the same processing chain has some answers..
Regarding LFO tool. It looks really simple. It uts, ducks or filters the audio based on time divisions. (18th/ 1/4 note etc.) but my question is - is the timer running free or is it based on audio triggering the envelope. Because if you make a track and for some reason your song goes out of allignment with the overall DAW sub divisions, then LFO tool will start cutting into the middle of sounds that are already playing, rather than an envelope designed to smooth out the end of the quarter note.
Is there any way to change LFOTool into trigger mode, rather than a free running BPM counter?
Can we get a filtering kick and bass tutorial?
Great video, can you explain what is the difference between linear phase eq and eq and when should one use linear phase eq? Secondly can you explain what can we do with fab Saturn on bass?
Thank you! A normal eq does can cause phase shifts when manipulated, specially with sharp curves, a linear phase eq maintains phase coherence on the signal regardless of your settings, however it does introduce more latency as it requires a higher amount cpu calculations. So if you want to make big changes (steep low cut curves etc) and maintain phase coherence, which can be important on high transient sounds such as the kick and bass, linear phase eq can be very useful, but use it sparingly and only when necessary because it takes up a massive amount of cpu
@@MiddleD what if, after using linear phase eq, I bounce the track and shift it a few ms early so that the delay is compensated?
Very useful tutorial, just saw some waveforms of professional tracks. I saw there's both fade in and out on the basslines. I will try this out with lfo tool. Will att the basslines get this fade out with lfo tool? Would the voxengo plugin be the same thing as dragging the audio back or forth a few ms? Thank you for a great tutorial 😀🙏.
Hi Conny, thank you! Regarding the fadesm you should not fade in on the attack of the bassline, this will affect its transient and your bass will have a weak attack, but you should always fade out the end of your bass notes. Also, for the voxengo, switching the phase is not the same thing as changing the timing of your note, the PHA-979 also as a "Delay" knob that you can use to adjust that.
Hey! I never saw this model of Adam's monitors... what model is it?
They are Adam F7, unfortunately it's been discontinued
What about the layering Video? 😁
Soon, my friend!
So is the voxengo vst now not doing anything if you have removed the clashing with the lfo tools.
The Voxengo PHA-979 is changing the phase on the bass, which means that it's relationship with the kick will change regardless of what I do in LFO tool 😉
@@MiddleD cool I was just wondering as if your sidechaining then presumably you remove the need to adjust the phase. Unless it sound like you are not completely sidchaining away all phase crossover with kick and bass which sounds like what you are saying.
can i do it w stock pluggings ? i dont got nothing to change the phase besides the logic pros default gain
How to know how much rotation is needed in pca?
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Obrigado mano!
Muito bom manoo!!!
Muito obrigado!
moooore tutirials (x xD
1 kick for each beat.
1 same note for the entire beat tempo.
1 single same note over every kick
I must thank you for the video, of course. It's cool.
But if the bass has note changes?
And if the kick were not that boring same never-ending pile-driver pattern???
Hmmmmmmmmm...
The ducking solution is great.
Nice and clean.
Thank you very much.
I'm showing it on a simple rolling bass pattern because it's an easier way to teach the basics to producers that are still learning it. Once you have the desired timbre, you can change the notes and the groove as much as you want 😉
I just tried the Voxengo PHA - 979 on a bass in cubase, while having your setting and adjusting the phase it sounds that the bass doesn´t play in time.
Is there some kind of latency in the plugin and how can i solve this?
Kind regards Conny
Stop playback and hit play again, to be able to change phase and timing the pha-979 needs to process its internal buffer and sometimes it doesn’t do it at first, so you need to let it play a bit, then stop and play again.
@@MiddleD Thank you very much, i will try this and see what happens 😀🙏
Why did u stop making these bad ass tutorials?
8:25 where is this video about this
good ideas, nice technique, but what I dont like to convert bass in audio, is that is too many edits, and you always need to go back the MIDI instrument if you want to change something
Well, if you're still using a sampler (like I am), you're still working with MIDI 😉
why u dont use oscilloscope to control phase?
I do! But for this video, which introduces the subject to people that are not necessarily used to it, I decided to start simple with the concept so I can go deeper with oscilloscopes in the next videos.
@@MiddleD Great! Thanks!
wen next vid
Soon? Stay tuned!
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But this works as long as the bass doesn't change the note
or... resampling the last 2 Kick Bars .. repitch it and cut out the first harmonic
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