I can't weld to save my life. This is something I've confirmed. You may surprise yourself with your capabilities, but you don't want to experiment on your car! You did the right thing by sending it to the pros - it's an art.
Andy you have made the right decision ! It will look fantastic when you get it back 🙂 Keep up the good work, always look forward to seeing you working on your fastback. Ive got a 66 coupe and Im always interested in seeing what parts you fit and you always show part numbers which is great. Thanks so much for the content. Gary UK
When you get the car back from paint you’ll realize you made a good decision. No apology needed, we all have enjoyed the journey thus far. Looking forward to seeing it painted.
I agree with you I painted mine and knew it wasn’t going to be that great but in my area the lowest starting bid I had to paint mine was $25,000 so I gave it a go and after I cut and buff I think I’ll be a solid 6/10. I have videos up on my TH-cam if you’re curious.
Andy - this is a great post, I think you made the correct decision as well. Poorly repaired sheet metal before a paint job could have been such a rabbit hole. You seem to be someone who would have been very frustrated with a bad quarter repair. I've been following for a while, please keep this channel coming. Thanks for making great vintage mustang content.
Andy, Your decision is the right one. Obviously the cost factor will be higher, but having it done correctly will surely outweigh that.. Just think how light the backend will be without all that bondo! 😊
@@AndyKruseChannel haha my passenger quarter looks like it was repaired with cement lol. I definitely need to replace the quarter. I very much can appreciate your frequency of uploads!
Reminds me of my first Mustang as a teenager. It was a 1966 Shelby clone (which had adopted the title and vin of a wrecked Shelby 6S314) had a lot of body damage. I tried a heat gun and scraper and it worked decently with the bondo but I couldn't get the bondo completely off. I then drove the Mustang to a place that did sandblasting and within 30m most of the Mustang was bare. I drove it back home and primer-bombed it. If you ever sandblast an old car, you keep moving around to keep the heat down. It cost me a hundred bucks even back then.
Andy. Feel your frustration. Right we’ve all been there when the plan doesn’t go as planned. In the long run sometimes better to have an “expert “ take and deliver a great result you can be proud of. Can’t wait to see what you do with color combo. I have an idea what you’ll do. Thanks for the content as always. Dave Grim
Mine was similiar Andy, on both sides, not as bad on the flares but they were damages and they had no definition due to the bondo. So i bought the same skins, although the edges of the skin are not goos for definition in comparison to the full quarter, as apparently they are stamped different. So i also used the skins but had more welding as i left the original quarter edges. Lot of work but the wheel arches look great with the nice lip on them. But yes, it is alot of welding and grinding.
I passed on a few cars after running a magnet along everything. I was not prepared to spend thousands in body work. Good luck it’s still a beautiful car!👍
I have a 66 Coupe and I always wondered what happened to your rear quarter panel flares. Also you never really know who did what in front of you. Just finished putting in new engine compartment wiring harness after looking at all the splicing that someone did ahead of me. Now it’s stock and everything works. Hang in there. Your still my go to guy for 1966 mustang info!
my quarters also had over half an inch of bondo on them the difference being im doing a full restoration so i new it was bad going in but it was still quite the sight to see it laid on that thick
Hey there Andy, you are a trooper 😉!!! Though it's ok, to pass on this, as the calendar 📆, will be working against you soon.. I feel, you could of done it, with enough time, and maybe some advice from Barry, along the way.. Though if your heart was not in it, to do both sides, then since it was going to the paint guy anyway, I agree with your move here. 🤔 Maybe, if it was only one side? Get over it over there.. Looking forwards to it's return, and whatever else, you had in store for us during the reassembly!!!! God bless you brother 🙏.....
A man's gotta know his limitations, Andy - no shame there. Let the pro's do it if you're not comfortable. You'll be happier with the result at the end!
The previous owner didn't even grind down the old weld on the quarter and just bondo'ed over it! Crazy. That's some of the thickest bondo I've seen on a project car. Good call to get it done right by an expert. I know where all the defects on my car body from where I messed up. You'll feel good getting it done right.
I had the same issues with the driver’s side quarter panel and wheelhouse on my ‘66 coupe about 23 years ago during my restoration work. Like yours, the bondo/plastic filler was slathered on thick (1/4”-1/2” thick). The rust was so bad that it was causing the bondo to bubble up. I did the work as part of a community college auto body class, and had help from more experienced students and the instructor. One of the tricks the instructor showed me was to use a torch to heat up the excess bondo (being careful not to overheat the panel), then using a putty knife to scrape it off the panel (in chunks). Comes off way easier than grinding it, and a LOT LESS bondo dust. I think you are making a wise decision to punt this task. I welded a whole driver’s side panel in, and it was no easy feat. Every time you weld/heat the panel in one place, it tweaks it in another. Lots of metal work to get it just right. Good luck on the project. I enjoy watching your content and am inspired by your mods. 👍
Get both rear quarters replaced dude. New metal & it’ll look amazing once done. It’ll cost a few dollars more, but the results will serve the car well. I’d be majorly bummed if I’d found that much bondo in a car. Hope we can see some pictures or a video on it getting repaired & resprayed too.
Like you told me the other day on VMF, yep this indeed break my heart. But Andy, it’s important to know your limits and I’d agree that a professional fabrication and body man needs to take this over. How long are guessing it will be away?
@@AndyKruseChannel I seem to recall "2 months" was said often in Tom Hanks/Money Pit. Looking forward to seeing your car back on the road after all the work you've done.
Nothing wrong with admitting your limits. If you want to get good at welding thin metal, get some scrap and run the welder at very low heat and you will see that you can do it and expand your level of experience. Good luck buddy
Andy, it's a fast back, it deserves a propper job, don't fall for a amazing price, that shop will hold you hostage for more money, but the end result will be what you have now.
Andy, I appreciate your videos . Some help if i may. I restore cars full time and there is no "window" of getting this done. You will get it done , but there is no such thing as a timeline on something like this. The real world is not like on TV. Also if the quarters look like that there is other areas that need attention. Done right this car needs to be completely stripped. If not after its repainted a few years down the road you will be doing it again. Dont just trust anyone either . Collision work is alot different that restoration. Rust and bad craftsmanship hides everywhere in these cars . I see it over and over. Good luck if i can help in any way let me know.
My welding skills are par, at best, so I think it's that welder. It's hard to set aside a good chunk of money for a tool I'd use two-three times a year. :)
Just out of curiosity, is the previous owner following your progress on the car? If I sold my car to someone, I would be interested in what the guy was doing to it, especially if it was documented on video like you do.
A quote from DIRTY HARRY - "A good man has to know his limitations" - HA. The 1/4 is a big job if you have not done that sort of work, and/or lack the welding skills - hence - a wise choice to engage someone with the skills. Often people have the amp set too high and that can cause issues with burning/blowing holes. Filling holes can sometimes be made easier if you have a block of copper or aluminium behind it - that often stops the holes from burning away the edges. BUT - a lesson - as you now know with a garage full of filler dust (HA - and which you will see for years to come) - is to use something with a vacuum, or take it outside and right away from everything else - filler dust takes a lot of work to remove from your garage - HA - and there will always be some 'hiding' somewhere - and I bet that some even got inside your home. And CAREFUL - I use the word CAREFUL again for emphasis - a SHARP wood chisel and mallet - carefully (and with eye protection) get under the filler and chip away - that can remove a lot and you only have big chips rather than dust floating around. And depending where the filler is - you can CAREFULLY use a heat gun to soften the filler a bit before using the chisel. CHEERS from AUSTRALIA.
Andy you should give a shot, I ended up doing doing all the metal work and painting on my car. You are much more talented than me based on your videos. I have videos on my channel showing my work if that will help give you the confidence to try it!
Gotta know your limitations - you’re smarter than me! I would replace the whole panel in your situation; you may also need to dig into the trunk/tail panel, also. If you need a new tail panel I have one in the garage and can send it to you, shoot me a text if you want it. Good luck, brother!
A man just got to know his limitations - Dirty Harry. Your window for paint just got pushed out, that's a bit of work but full panel replacement is the better choice.
I would be so mad that you paid so much for something that didn’t deserve it. Should have been a 19,000 in that shape of how much bondo was used and how sloppy that is. If you already took it down that far. I would find a sand blaster first to strip it completely and do it right. If you are going to spend on paint paint it for life. And be sure all the other panels are not like that one or the roof. 😢. Sorry you discovered that but I wouldn’t rush it for a paint window. Take your time do it right would be my suggestion. You will be happier in the long run. Dad and I have been restoring classics for years and it’s painful money and time wise to have it down for a driving season or two but worth it long term trust me.
Yeah, I wish I knew about this stuff when I bought the car, but at that time, it was the closest car to my budget and I still had to drive for 3 days to get it. :)
Oh if you love classic cars and have bought and sold any it happens to the best of us! I carry a magnet and microfiber cloth every time I go see anything now just because of what you found 😅
Sorry about the frustration. I hope you aren't losing hope with it.
Not yet, but the day is not over. :)
I can't weld to save my life. This is something I've confirmed.
You may surprise yourself with your capabilities, but you don't want to experiment on your car! You did the right thing by sending it to the pros - it's an art.
Agreed. :)
Body work is an art !! You made the right decision buddy !
Thanks! :)
Andy you have made the right decision ! It will look fantastic when you get it back 🙂 Keep up the good work, always look forward to seeing you working on your fastback.
Ive got a 66 coupe and Im always interested in seeing what parts you fit and you always show part numbers which is great. Thanks so much for the content. Gary UK
Thanks for the support!
Did that 66 dash bezel ever show up?
When you get the car back from paint you’ll realize you made a good decision. No apology needed, we all have enjoyed the journey thus far. Looking forward to seeing it painted.
Thanks for the support! :)
I agree with you I painted mine and knew it wasn’t going to be that great but in my area the lowest starting bid I had to paint mine was $25,000 so I gave it a go and after I cut and buff I think I’ll be a solid 6/10. I have videos up on my TH-cam if you’re curious.
That’s some thick bondo 😮 Wow!
Yeah, it was a 1/2 inch thick in some areas. :)
lol.. "A man's got to know his limitations" Clint... that is something that takes a talent I don't have either.. refreshing to see this on TH-cam...
Yeah, I hope it was the right call, we'll see after paint. :)
Andy - this is a great post, I think you made the correct decision as well. Poorly repaired sheet metal before a paint job could have been such a rabbit hole. You seem to be someone who would have been very frustrated with a bad quarter repair. I've been following for a while, please keep this channel coming. Thanks for making great vintage mustang content.
Thanks 👍
Andy, Your decision is the right one. Obviously the cost factor will be higher, but having it done correctly will surely outweigh that.. Just think how light the backend will be without all that bondo! 😊
Truth!! I just shaved a 1/2 second off my lap time!! :)
All good man, at least you tried. That’s body work. You still prove to be a great resource for these cars. Appreciate 👍🏽
Thanks 👍
I would plan on new outer wheel wells also.
Yeah, I purchased them as well. :)
Ouch!
Nah, it could have been way worse. Hopefully you're not needing to deal with that on your Coupe. :)
@@AndyKruseChannel haha my passenger quarter looks like it was repaired with cement lol. I definitely need to replace the quarter. I very much can appreciate your frequency of uploads!
Reminds me of my first Mustang as a teenager. It was a 1966 Shelby clone (which had adopted the title and vin of a wrecked Shelby 6S314) had a lot of body damage. I tried a heat gun and scraper and it worked decently with the bondo but I couldn't get the bondo completely off. I then drove the Mustang to a place that did sandblasting and within 30m most of the Mustang was bare. I drove it back home and primer-bombed it. If you ever sandblast an old car, you keep moving around to keep the heat down. It cost me a hundred bucks even back then.
Yeah, having access to a blaster would have been great. :)
Andy. Feel your frustration. Right we’ve all been there when the plan doesn’t go as planned. In the long run sometimes better to have an “expert “ take and deliver a great result you can be proud of. Can’t wait to see what you do with color combo. I have an idea what you’ll do. Thanks for the content as always. Dave Grim
Thanks for the support! :)
Mine was similiar Andy, on both sides, not as bad on the flares but they were damages and they had no definition due to the bondo. So i bought the same skins, although the edges of the skin are not goos for definition in comparison to the full quarter, as apparently they are stamped different. So i also used the skins but had more welding as i left the original quarter edges. Lot of work but the wheel arches look great with the nice lip on them. But yes, it is alot of welding and grinding.
Yeah, these Quarters can turn into a real nightmare for some and the only solution is replacement. :)
No worries. Good decision to change out both panels
Thanks!! :)
I passed on a few cars after running a magnet along everything. I was not prepared to spend thousands in body work. Good luck it’s still a beautiful car!👍
Thanks 👍
That hurts. Had that happen on my 692A rover rear quarters. so much work. Think your making the right choice 👍
Thanks 👍
I think you made an excellent choice. There’s some things that are simply above my pay grade! Body work and front ends I leave for the pros.
Thanks for the support! :)
Glad to see you take it to the shop, you might need wheel wells and trunk extensions, keep us updated.
Bought the outer tubs just in case, so we'll see how it comes out. :)
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@@AndyKruseChannel This was mine 12 years ago, did everything but the paint and blocking
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I have a 66 Coupe and I always wondered what happened to your rear quarter panel flares. Also you never really know who did what in front of you. Just finished putting in new engine compartment wiring harness after looking at all the splicing that someone did ahead of me. Now it’s stock and everything works. Hang in there. Your still my go to guy for 1966 mustang info!
Thanks for the support! :)
my quarters also had over half an inch of bondo on them the difference being im doing a full restoration so i new it was bad going in but it was still quite the sight to see it laid on that thick
That stuff was so thick, I wish I would have weighed the car before and after to see the difference. :)
Hey there Andy, you are a trooper 😉!!! Though it's ok, to pass on this, as the calendar 📆, will be working against you soon.. I feel, you could of done it, with enough time, and maybe some advice from Barry, along the way..
Though if your heart was not in it, to do both sides, then since it was going to the paint guy anyway, I agree with your move here. 🤔 Maybe, if it was only one side?
Get over it over there.. Looking forwards to it's return, and whatever else, you had in store for us during the reassembly!!!! God bless you brother 🙏.....
Thanks for the support. I've got some plans on the back end of Paint, but everything that's left to do is all the expensive stuff. :)
A man's gotta know his limitations, Andy - no shame there. Let the pro's do it if you're not comfortable. You'll be happier with the result at the end!
Thanks!! :)
The previous owner didn't even grind down the old weld on the quarter and just bondo'ed over it! Crazy. That's some of the thickest bondo I've seen on a project car. Good call to get it done right by an expert. I know where all the defects on my car body from where I messed up. You'll feel good getting it done right.
Yeah, there's a nice layer of bondo all over the garage because I had to take soo much off. :)
@@AndyKruseChannel I use an electric leaf blower to get all the dust out. Works well
@@SmackeysGarage That's a great idea. :)
I had the same issues with the driver’s side quarter panel and wheelhouse on my ‘66 coupe about 23 years ago during my restoration work. Like yours, the bondo/plastic filler was slathered on thick (1/4”-1/2” thick). The rust was so bad that it was causing the bondo to bubble up. I did the work as part of a community college auto body class, and had help from more experienced students and the instructor. One of the tricks the instructor showed me was to use a torch to heat up the excess bondo (being careful not to overheat the panel), then using a putty knife to scrape it off the panel (in chunks). Comes off way easier than grinding it, and a LOT LESS bondo dust.
I think you are making a wise decision to punt this task. I welded a whole driver’s side panel in, and it was no easy feat. Every time you weld/heat the panel in one place, it tweaks it in another. Lots of metal work to get it just right.
Good luck on the project. I enjoy watching your content and am inspired by your mods. 👍
Get both rear quarters replaced dude. New metal & it’ll look amazing once done. It’ll cost a few dollars more, but the results will serve the car well. I’d be majorly bummed if I’d found that much bondo in a car. Hope we can see some pictures or a video on it getting repaired & resprayed too.
That's the plan!
Wow, there was some fill on that
More mud than I've ever seen on a car. :)
Agree Andy
Let the pros make it perfect
I don't need it perfect, but it needs to be better than it was. I want to drive this car and not be afraid of getting a rock chip. :)
Been there done that , Yes take it to a experienced body man , I wish I had followed my advice .
It's only money, right? :)
Like you told me the other day on VMF, yep this indeed break my heart. But Andy, it’s important to know your limits and I’d agree that a professional fabrication and body man needs to take this over. How long are guessing it will be away?
Still team Andy?
In the initial discussion, he said two months. :)
@@AndyKruseChannel I seem to recall "2 months" was said often in Tom Hanks/Money Pit. Looking forward to seeing your car back on the road after all the work you've done.
@@bryanpiereson8083 Great, you've got my brain doing circles right now, and I also need to go watch that movie again. :)
@@AndyKruseChannel Great movie! And of course I'm still team Andy! Two months would be pretty fast, but fingers crossed it's that.
Putting the brakes on during a project can be difficult. Gotta this, what will you be doing when the car is at the body shop? Sorting the mill?
I've got a few things planned. :)
It's great to try doing new things; it's how we learn. However, it's best to admit your limitations.
Very true!
Nothing wrong with admitting your limits. If you want to get good at welding thin metal, get some scrap and run the welder at very low heat and you will see that you can do it and expand your level of experience. Good luck buddy
Thanks for the tip. :)
Dang it! You made the right decision. Have you thought about mini-tubs while you are there?
Yeah, not doing them this round. If I did anything it would go outwards with fender flares, so I don't need tubs. :)
Hi Andy, just a reminder that you might want to roll your fender lips before paint. But you probably already know this.
Good tip!
Looks like someone else tried to do a big repair in their garage. Good choice to give it to the pros.
Yeah, I'm glad it was not worse. :)
Andy, it's a fast back, it deserves a propper job, don't fall for a amazing price, that shop will hold you hostage for more money, but the end result will be what you have now.
It's only money, you can't take it with you. :)
Andy, I appreciate your videos . Some help if i may. I restore cars full time and there is no "window" of getting this done. You will get it done , but there is no such thing as a timeline on something like this. The real world is not like on TV. Also if the quarters look like that there is other areas that need attention. Done right this car needs to be completely stripped. If not after its repainted a few years down the road you will be doing it again. Dont just trust anyone either . Collision work is alot different that restoration. Rust and bad craftsmanship hides everywhere in these cars . I see it over and over. Good luck if i can help in any way let me know.
Thanks for the heads up. :)
Welding vintage sheet metal is above my pay grade too......no shame.......The main item I just can't do!! thx
My welding skills are par, at best, so I think it's that welder. It's hard to set aside a good chunk of money for a tool I'd use two-three times a year. :)
@@AndyKruseChannel Agreed......$$$ best used for other things
Just out of curiosity, is the previous owner following your progress on the car? If I sold my car to someone, I would be interested in what the guy was doing to it, especially if it was documented on video like you do.
Don’t know, haven’t talked to him since I bought the car. 🙂
A quote from DIRTY HARRY - "A good man has to know his limitations" - HA. The 1/4 is a big job if you have not done that sort of work, and/or lack the welding skills - hence - a wise choice to engage someone with the skills. Often people have the amp set too high and that can cause issues with burning/blowing holes. Filling holes can sometimes be made easier if you have a block of copper or aluminium behind it - that often stops the holes from burning away the edges. BUT - a lesson - as you now know with a garage full of filler dust (HA - and which you will see for years to come) - is to use something with a vacuum, or take it outside and right away from everything else - filler dust takes a lot of work to remove from your garage - HA - and there will always be some 'hiding' somewhere - and I bet that some even got inside your home. And CAREFUL - I use the word CAREFUL again for emphasis - a SHARP wood chisel and mallet - carefully (and with eye protection) get under the filler and chip away - that can remove a lot and you only have big chips rather than dust floating around. And depending where the filler is - you can CAREFULLY use a heat gun to soften the filler a bit before using the chisel. CHEERS from AUSTRALIA.
Thanks for the heads up, this is an older video.
HA - yes - you had already created the BOG DUST MONSTER by the time I saw this - HA.
On the bright side, your car is going to be fifty pounds lighter without all of that filler!
Ha, at least! Although, now all that mud is all over my garage. :)
Andy you should give a shot, I ended up doing doing all the metal work and painting on my car. You are much more talented than me based on your videos. I have videos on my channel showing my work if that will help give you the confidence to try it!
Yeah, somethings fall under the "I'm not qualified" category, the rust fall under the "I just don't wanna" category. :)
Gotta know your limitations - you’re smarter than me! I would replace the whole panel in your situation; you may also need to dig into the trunk/tail panel, also. If you need a new tail panel I have one in the garage and can send it to you, shoot me a text if you want it. Good luck, brother!
I found my limits a long time ago, but I keep pushing through, it'll all catch up to me soon. :)
A man just got to know his limitations - Dirty Harry. Your window for paint just got pushed out, that's a bit of work but full panel replacement is the better choice.
Time flies when you're having fun. That's what I'll tell my paint guy, see if it works. :)
Yup , add two new complete quarter panels…..No short cuts ….
Deal. :)
I would be so mad that you paid so much for something that didn’t deserve it. Should have been a 19,000 in that shape of how much bondo was used and how sloppy that is. If you already took it down that far. I would find a sand blaster first to strip it completely and do it right. If you are going to spend on paint paint it for life. And be sure all the other panels are not like that one or the roof. 😢. Sorry you discovered that but I wouldn’t rush it for a paint window. Take your time do it right would be my suggestion. You will be happier in the long run. Dad and I have been restoring classics for years and it’s painful money and time wise to have it down for a driving season or two but worth it long term trust me.
Yeah, I wish I knew about this stuff when I bought the car, but at that time, it was the closest car to my budget and I still had to drive for 3 days to get it. :)
Oh if you love classic cars and have bought and sold any it happens to the best of us! I carry a magnet and microfiber cloth every time I go see anything now just because of what you found 😅
If your painter guy is any good he'll put the whole panel in
We'll see. :)
don't make any excuses, you know your limit and then you shouldn't start it, let's do it right, the previous owner wasn't honest
Yeah, he told me he did some body work, but he didn't go into the crazy details, but I didn't ask either, so maybe it's partially on me. :)