If you are wealthy and can afford more in real life, now you can do the same in the game. I played games to escape reality and to feel that there was at least some fairness in the game.
Yall gtta stop this it's not pay to win coming from somebody who spent no money on this game and ran up 3 mill in loot you can 1 tap ppl regardless of armor tier TRUST if anything they're scamming yall mfs into believing buying shi will help u 💯
As a very avid player of ABI, I literally cannot tell that others spend money on the game, the only advantage that people who spend money on this game is the bigger storage. Which I got for free by completing missions
so your saying them limiting your storage so they can then sell you more storage is not bad? they made that problem them self's to sell you the fix and you don't mind it lol
yeah thats not pay to win, thats just the current indistrues gaming practices to squeeze the consumer dry but dont kid yourself by saying you get in game advantages with a bigger stash. @Muddy.Teabagger
Valorant was the first game where I realized there's a MASSIVE divide between generations of players. Those of us who didn't grow up with every single bit being monetized and didn't play mobile games are the ones who are fine with boycotting a game for predatory monetization. But the younger ones are just completely lost in that regard cause they never knew a world in which video games weren't monetized to hell. Really, really sad to see.
And what bums me out is that the division is almost uncrossable. It has been so normalized by this point that the idea of boycotting (to remove monetization) is absurd to younger people. It's impossible to see that the grass is greener on the other side if they can't even recognize the fence separating the two.
Ugh, that's a sad fact man. A sad sad fact indeed! I personally was fine with paid DLCs cause yeah companies do gotta make money and mass content isn't cheap. But the second these games started adding paid dlc with less and less content then putting the extra content in separate paid packs...I started calling out how dangerous this road is gonna go; and sadly...I was pretty much right. I just didn't see it getting this bad this fast...
Younger generations should have never been brought into PC and console gaming, they should have stayed with their mobile games and social network apps. Sadly publishers know that these people represent an endless cash cow because of how ignorant and impatient they are.
@@SoOptic75 yea your right but its not as bad as people say at all i barely encounter cheaters ,if you do just enjoy the good games theres also pve and spt its still playable
Fyi Hawk ops and ABI are owned by TenCent. Thats why they feel so similar and look similar. Hawk ops will retain the battlefield market and dmz/casual extraction market; while ABI takes the cake from Tarkov. All while having egregious micro transactions on both or the two games playing good cop bad cop all while they're owned by the same company. It's actually genius by TenCent.
Why are people complaining about this 😂 anyone buying in game currency is going to be so ass it’s free money. I literally saw this happening from my first day in the game. If you lose to loot you’re dog shit
Last video: "Arena Breakout Infinite is an extraction shooter you don't want to miss out on!" This video: "Arena Breakout Infinite is pay-to-win slop and I always knew it would be"
Every time i hear that im even more sad cuz after the BR craze you would think i would find one that fancies me since i love the genre and was waiting for more games like that ... I had one that i really really loved and now its dead because of company greed. And besides PUBG that is in that same fashion and still a garbage game i only play it cuz i do not like anything else from the big ones. Apex doesn't fancy me and Warzone i literally can't play without sending Activision my address...
On the mobile version, there are no wipes so people tend to build up gear, this clearly favours a casual audience. The devs need to realise this isn't the mobile version
@@blaze6694 so far its only had a single early access test before the current one, and they reset everything after it. Though I doubt they would do wipes on ABI either, they might decide to
@@blaze6694 hmm Ok in general NO. But there are factions where they have items you can buy from them with their currency which you can get from events and specific missions. The item are limited in amount and rest every week. For faction item they get wiped out by the end of the season which doesn't matter cuz it considered as free item.
Only the TH-camrs and streamers are surprised. They were so desperate to hurt BSG over how they treated the EOD owners that they climbed on to this piece of garbage.
@@TristianWrites Yeah thats what it always felt like tbh, not gonna say I wasn't hoping it would succeed to piss BSG off after their fraudulent behaviour. But jesus these guys just went in blindly and praised it so much.
@@moody1965 well - the game itself is really really good for a free2play game. it is a more arcadey version of tarkov. they also said the maximum "p2w" will be the 2x3 container over the 2x2 that u get for ingame currency and a slightly larger keytool. its really not their fault they get a "fresh of breath air", promises from the company and then the company just being "sike" and letting u buy 80mill per week with real money.
You guys just try the game and tell me where is the pay to win... Just try it.. This TH-camrs are just barking because of content they also wants money right everyone need it lol.
You guys really overestimate this "problem". Ive been playing mobile for over 400hours and it really isnt a problem. Good players will not buy the stuff and the guys that do that are noobs, that you will still be able to kill easily.
the only comment a game dev said about PTW that i accepted was Once Human where they said they'd rather be killed instead make their game PTW...and so far their sticking to it
@@TrollBishbaalkin For me, I just found everything about that game just painfully average. Nothing was done bad but I couldn't find anything that was done well either besides the setting. So its gonna take more then perm servers for me to play it again.
@@camolot2102you are obviously entitled to your own opinion so don’t take this as an attack but I personally really enjoy it. Fallout 76 is great, but only because it’s fallout. Once human does everything fallout 76 does (besides being fallout) better, while combining elements from destiny and ark and I personally think that’s super interesting and fun. There are certainly complaints to be made though. PvP is ultra unbalanced in its current state and having to find all of the rift towers in each location every time you want to progress gets a little repetitive. However, I think the gameplay loop provides a perfect mix of grinding, progressing through and interesting story, and allowing the player to do whatever they want i.e. decorate or socialize with other players. In short i just think once human is a few improvements away from being one of the best mmos we’ve gotten in recent years.
Simple. They got conned into spending the money for it, so now they have to justify the expense to themselves and if they can make other people spend the money too, then they must not have been wrong.
Fortunately there is no entry fee for the game... Which means that in order to make money it has to stay relevant for a long time, which it wont be as no streamer will touch this crap after Tarkov wipes in a few days and immediately puts drops on, forcing streamers to totally ignore this crap of a game.
@@Lornextkeep coping bro 😂 the game is doing fine and will continue to do well despite what all these manchildren ragepig streamers say and all the clickbait videos they put out
You buy the " communication device". I played the game for a few hours today and never felt the need to write anything in global chat ... for now anyway.
It fully make sense why you can buy koen with IRL money. This game has no wipe, no real story progression. It is a PVP game in its core. Generally there are 2 types of players: players who play a lot and players who don't have a lot of time to free. The koen purchase is made possible so people who don't have time to grind koen in-game can use their IRL money to equalise the fights with players who grind the game daily. It allows people with tight schedules to pick up the game any time they want. As far as player driven economy go, that is not entirely how it works. The selling price of some items are still determined by how much you can sell it to the NPC. Also because there's no insurance system, loot gets lost WAY more often than in a game like Tarkov does so it balances out market nicely. Can't afford T5/T6 armor? There's always ratting and leg meta. Not realistic? Pretty sure in real life you'd wait in a hole for 3 days/weeks/months/decades to kill your enemy. Or you could just get a mosin or SKS on the cheap loaded with T5/T6 ammo. 1 to 2 shots is all you need. Get good.
The only people complaining are the ones that also spends money. You literally can just get rich by just playing smart and what's even the point on spending money if you can still get killed with a level 1 AP bullet even with you wearing a T5 Set
It's not just currency you can buy. You can RENT bigger secure containers, bigger key fobs, you can outright buy entire T6 kits for real money. If you pay for the games premium you get significantly better drops from mobs and chests than someone who otherwise didn't buy premium. The gameplay is very well done, and the developers who aren't allowed to make choices did a fantastic job making a fairly polished game. Their talent is wasted working for this company. Also, a lot of people are defending it because their favorite Tarkov streamers are supporting the p2w stuff. People like Landmark, JesseKazam, SoStrange, etc., etc., every Tarkov streamer running drops that boycotted the Tarkov devs for the Unheard Edition are ignoring, timing out, or outright banning people from their chat channels for even talking about the p2w aspect.
I don’t know where you heard that buying premium gives you “better drops” it doesn’t. I bought premium for 1 month to see what it’s like and I found the SAME exact stuff as when I didn’t have it, where is the proof of this.
@@The_Menendez You're a loser stop talking you can't even decide what side of the fence you wanna be on. @Chase I'll look for the proof. Pretty sure I saw it from the in-game advertisement for premium. Though I will admit I could of mistaken that for the premium in Delta Force, as I played those two interchangeably. But regardless if that's the case or not, it's the least outrageous p2w element of ABI.
We had those 16 years ago in f2p games, it's what people expected a f2p game to look like. They're stuck in the wrong decade and still will make a ton of money from it regardless.
@@feardafish and by far cheaper than they used to be 16 years ago. Time limited weapons & depending on the game requiring skins to even use them in the first place that are time limited as well, paid lobby moderation rights (correct, to even start vote kicks you had to pay in some games), ammo for grenade launchers only being rentable on a weekly basis for real money, extra weapons slots for real money and an economy that doesnt really allow you to play for free at all unless you can live with the base level, extremely weak equipment and obviously often enough your average gambling mechanics is what defined f2p gaming originally - loads of people wasted over a hundred € monthly just to even be competetive in the first place back then. No one in their right state of mind would even touch f2p, the term "f2p = p2w" was literally still common years after that changed and their monetization and overall earnings is what influenced mtx coming to paid games, being able to play it without being extremely left behind is a rather modern understanding of f2p we got.
Bro what is p2w about this ? you can pay but you wont win. If you desire to keep swiping away your creddit card be it. The amount of times i have died with the best gear suggests that YOU WILL GO BANKRUPT. This take is really the dumbest shit i have ever heard about a game.
Holy shit, thank you. This happened to me in the mobile. I was with a Fal and AX-50 and died in the game, lost everything i had. Some youtubers make this to make contect, a amarillist thing i hate. Sometimes these buddies dont deserve to be recognized. If they want to make contect, please do it without exagerating things or they will lose.
EOD was a LIMITED edition and once Nikita removed it. He told us, he would add another edition that would be better then EOD. Also meaning it may cost more money
Its sad because a lot of people will empty their cards on the game, the dev will have no reason to change it as its easy money compared to having to create new skins and such to sell which takes man power. Instead they will just sell currency which is completely free for the devs so its just printing $$
@@Ghreylnatural selection buddy. Theres alteady ppl that rmt on tarkov, what better way to maintain a f2p constantly updated/events game than draining dumbasses? Permanent Skins? Battle pass? The REAL problem is the devs making the gameplay loop/economy circle around microtransacrions. And till i see how it would go long run (on pc) theres no downs
That is seriously the problem, so many people empty their credit cards. You never hear them neither lol, maybe they feel ashamed? I know such person, he buys everything without thinking twice. Even if you talk about it, he doesn't have a clear answer. I can't understand why people do this, it really blows my mind.
I'm not ecstatic about it but honestly it feels so good when I know a person bought a decked out kit just for me to 1 tap them to their head and essentially take their money lol.
@@vewyscawymonstaThey dont need to know. All anyone needs to know is the fact there are people rolling in with a paid for with in real life money kit that then end up wasting that in real life money.
Such a braindead take. All these games have RMT including Tarkov so the only difference is youre buying from the devs which means less cheaters ruining lobbies for their carry services so they can earn real money not to mention money is easy AF to make so barely anyone is spending $5 for koen to buy 120 of the best bullets when you make 500k profit in like 20 minutes on most matches If money was hard to make then youd have a point but no one is forced to buy it so its not p2w its pay to save time and thats it plus p2w has always been buying an ingame advantage you 100% cant earn through playing which this isnt even close to.
Love the honesty, gave you a sub for a real review. I hate p2w games still gonna give it a go but its good to know they all about money rather than community.
Yea. Im from Zürich, so I cud afford it. But its NOT ABOUT THE MONEY. Pay2W offers 0 motivation. I & many will pay 100.- for a great game! Or battle pass!
Why the fuck are people bitching about who pays and who doesn’t pay. Last I checked, we’re still free to each make our own decisions about how we spend our money. I could care either way.
@@BazingusBoi i think maybe the opposite may happen, they buy the game for free and if they dont like the monitization they might flock over to eft even though its more money
@@PenguinWAG i dont get much of the craze either, people who pay for the good gear gives them more issues, atleast from the mobile version, since people who buy the top gear gets head hunted and looted by almost buck naked people that could one tap them with the right gun.
How is Tarkov saved if you can buy a special pack that gives you good items every wipe instead, when everyone is running around naked? ABI's system manages to be fairer than EFT's, because EFT forces scarcity through wipes.
@@thefullmetalheart_ it does no such thing , thats complete cope , i have over 400 hours and never spent a dime , it gives you several tabs and you can manage if you dont hoard like a moron
as long as the core gameplay loop that's currently there in the beta remains, I could care less about the "p2w" (monetary) elements. It's f2p, it's expected. So long as it's not as bad as Combat Arms, I'ma play it.
To add to the last point, real life isnt even pay to win. What is winning in life? Expensive cars and houses? Those are literally cosmetics. Imo winning is being happy and being able to provide, but you don't have to spend huge amounts of money to do that.
The Chinese just don't give a fuck. It's actually crazy how once a communist country could swing 180° this hard into a worst kind of vulture capitalism.
It's as much pay to win as Tarkov ever was, if not less. I am baffled that people still think buying EOD is not a huge P2W advantage, and everyone kept denying this as well back when it was much worse. Game is really great, microttansactions could be tuned a bit indeed.
and how bout unheard? 250$ get bigger pockets.... start with higher skill lvls... get items that are locked behind this edition and these items affect gameplay... Its literally definition of p2w
As the West's economy continues to trend downwards, inflation being at an all time high, cost of living getting higher and higher, I believe this pay to win will be more and more unpopular amongst the community, as the percentage of people who just can't spend money like that on the game, will be bigger and bigger. It's all fine and dandy when you can afford to spend money on the game, but as soon as money tight and you responsibly can't spend money like that on the game, these people will become more against pay to win.
1 day in the game, I already have 10M Koen, Buying Deke Deals and selling them on market is the Key for Infinite Money. So to me right now, I don't think buying Koen with real cash isn't worth it.
i doubt anyone would even buy the currency becuz in the mobile version,everyone i team up or fight against is wearing shit gear like t1-t4 armour.if the monetization was that bad people would be running around with t6 armour.But the idea of bringing the mobile version's monetization to pc is a pretty dumb idea
This one was a hilarious situation cause they deadass said "No P2W only Pay for Convenience" which even then is still bad, but its Pay 4 Advantage now considering you can not only HAVE to buy the Secure Container MULTIPLE TIMES since it goes away (it lasts 30 days, and both the 2 secure containers are bigger then the one given for free as well, which btw ISNT EVEN GIVEN TO US YET...) and then its straight up P2W because you can BUY THE IN GAME CURRENCY KOEN, (rubbles etc.) for real world hard cash. Aka letting you buy better guns, ammo and gear, or AKA PAY 2 WIN. Lesson learned with these deceitful devs, Delta Force devs also claim "No P2W" but what do they as Chinese/Over Seas devs consider "Pay 2 Win"??? Cause apparently being able to buy secure containers/key containers/storage space, and Koen/In game currency for CASH isnt considered "P2W"..... hilarious situation we find ourselves in as gamers today, people will buy into it all as well, whales gunna whale and say "oh its not P2W you still get head eyes" yea but its still P2W. Regardless.
What did you expect? It's literally a mobile port. It's also a FREE game... look at literally any free game on the planet, they most likely have currency related microtransactions. The in game money doesn't translate to skill what so ever like you said. 2:17 What? This game is easier than Minecraft... if you're working hard for anything in this game you need to find a different hobby with all do respect. 2:38 cool... more gear for people who aren't horrible at video games. 2:42 Ironic. 3:53 What??? I've been playing free to play games my whole life, they're my favorite type of games; from War Thunder to Warframe to Heroes and Generals and APB. There is literally no difference in regards to microtransactions. I don't know what you're comparing Arena Breakout to but it's definitely not other free to play games. 4:54 my brother in Christ what type of argument is that... a very "I'm right and anyone who disagrees is a moron" argument is NOT what I expected at all from this channel. 5:14 you called it?! You predicted that a mobile game, a FREE mobile game, introduced currency related microtransactions?!?!?! 6:56 I wouldn't. 7:52 Mentally bending over? You mean disagreeing with you? Lol. What a wild video bro... not sure about this one.
Hey BigFry i have been a long time suscriber and this is just an alt account since i might get flamed. i liked your videos and all however I've been playing Arena Breakout for quite a while now, and I've been able to make plenty of in-game money without spending any real cash. Success in this game isn't locked behind a paywall if you play strategically and put in the time, you can progress just as well as paying players. The items you can buy don’t overpower the game or ruin the balance for others; they’re more about convenience, especially for new players. It's not about pay-to-win, but more about making the game accessible in different ways. Plus, we need to remember that monetization supports free-to-play players and keeps the servers running. Without it, we wouldn’t get updates, new content, or even a functioning game, so I don't see it as forcing people to pay but rather as keeping the game alive for everyone.
Thermals have inflated and cost like 1.7 million I believe after a year so they'll cost a lot more on Pc also they're supposed to be fixing the window stuff
I’m in the discord. When I heard it was going early access but only through their own website instead of Steam I said something was fishy. Oh well, screw them. Delta Force looks cool.
@@hydroxide5507 How many comments have you left on this video, man? It's just an ocean of replies from you calling people old, pathetic, raging, balding, baby, pig normie soyboys while being literally that. You want people to have an opinion and when they do, you get mad it's not yours. This isn't a 4chan blackpil incel rageposting thread, breath man.
@hydroxide5507 You just called a random person on the internet a "manbaby ragepig gamer" if anyone is mad, it's you. Everyone is just disappointed that a game they enjoyed is p2w now.
@@RedFox-ye1gy How many comments have you left on this video, man? It's just an ocean of replies from you calling people old, pathetic, raging, balding, baby, pig normie soyboys while being literally that. You want people to have an opinion, and when they do, you get mad it's not yours. This isn't a 4chan blackpil rageposting thread, breath man.
Completely agreed. I love almost every part of the game aside from that and Me And The Boys have been having a blast, and luckily the pay to win isn’t so game breaking that you literally can’t fight back. But damn, yeah it’s disappointing, they would’ve made more than plenty of money focusing on storage related benefits and ESPECIALLY like you said, cosmetics like clothing and such would be sick.
"Trust me she's different, she can change and has potential. T-things can change!" Kind of reminds me of the relationship of people with these games. Nothing can show devs more of what we don't want, than not playing. They knew what they were doing and for as long as people play the game, some people will be tempted to just p2w at some point
This means they will 100% have some weird crossover cosmetics with movies or games, anime girl skins and other weird mobile tier cosmetics like a guy in a panda suit or a scary clown skin. In the end, it's just mobile game slop ported to PC. Oh well, it was fun for a while to think they might've been the next Tarkov, but this game I can already see in the future with the attitude they have towards the economy that they're willing to do whatever to just make money out of the game. Can't wait for the clips of a guy cheating, flying in the air, with the panda suit skin, shooting you with a glowing gun like a dragon that does 100 damage a shot with some exclusive ammo. Trust me, it's coming.
@NANOTECHYT actually surprisingly theres none of that in the mobile version some skins might be a little more colorful but no where near "fortnite colorful" most are fairly normal, and all character skins are realistic clothing only.
Wrong on this one, bigfry. You need skill, not better gear, to win the gunfight. Consider this from a different perspective: you invest real money in purchasing a significant amount of gear, only to have it stolen by someone who kills you. The game is now pay-to-lose.
@@jirehm3771 I also think highly of his impact on the industry. But in this case, he's mistaken. Bigfry has been on my watch list since the Squad era. This game isn't always pay-to-win, in my opinion, despite what he believes. While you can purchase equipment, it could be lost at any point. This game hasn't cost me a dime, and I've left with some sick gear that other people have no doubt paid for. The fact that I now own things that other people have spent actual money for astounds me greatly. What an amazing moment to be a gamer, really!
When I got into Warframe, I found myself OK with spending cash to get into the game 'proper'. But that was for the permanent purchase of the character I wanted to play. This whole, spend money to 'rent' additional space in your stash for 30 days is utter BS.
@@frankwilliams4445 No simping mate. Just meant from the F2P business model, it worked. I'd 'buy' a permanent stash increase in ABI but there is no way I'm 'renting' one for 30 days. Maybe read what I said properly instead of rushing to be an ass hole.
@@sondos1841 bro, you still paid for shit that should've been included in the BASE GAME. We HAVE to stop giving these companies validation for adding microtransactions and that will NEVER STOP, until people like you stop buying them.
The only way this game survives is with gear score based matchmaking like DaD or Dungeonborne, but they have F2P P2W Chinese developer brain. Matchmaking like this gives way to payers not finding games quickly, and you gotta cater to your whales. I'll enjoy the game for now, but I don't expect it to be playable in a month or two. When all F2Ps quit and no one wants to touch it based on reputation. No new players, no normal players, only P2W kits in matches, dead. Update after spending some time on the discord: This game will die because of infinite instantaneous inflation. A 120k scope I had day 1 was 189k today :) I tested for max prices, and I could have posted that scope for 800k. Actual max price was 960k but the UI bugged out. So the second a really wealthy, really bored gamer CEO decides to inflate hell into that market, that'll be it. I could spend 200$ on a couple millies, buy all of that one popular scope in meta builds, and then repost them at max price. All it takes afterwards is for people to continue posting at that crazy price and the economy is dead.
I totally agree with the in game currency I work as a surgeon and dont have time to work in the game I work real life and make real money, when I hop on I dont want to be stuck with a shit tt pistol or sks I want to have decent playable gear if i make money in real life why shouldnt I be able to spend in game just to have decent guns, doesnt mean I have the skills just the money. Whats wrong with everyone is their misconception of F2P games Its not meant to be completly free how do you want a good online pvp game to survive with no funds? The dev need some sort of funds somewhere and their need of money is only judged by how the gameplay varies based on how a paid player vs Non paid player interact in a fight. Honestly I get shit on, lost 24 AK plus 38 m4's and 12000$ cash to some Makarov players and their 500$ pc setup 75 hz monitor. Its not pay to win at all. I just dont have time to grind but love the gameplay
I'm sick of people defending the free-to-play model. The game needs microtransactions because it's free-to-play and it needs to make money somehow? THEN DON'T F*CKING MAKE IT FREE-TO-PLAY! The entire model exists entirely to trick gamers into spending more money on a game then they otherwise would have. The premium model have worked for decades. If a game is not worth spending money on then it's not worth your time in the first place. If you really want to support the developers beyond buying the game and any DLC then maybe they could include some way to donate to the developers in the game. The problem with microtransactions is that they make the game worse by simply existing. Gamers need to be incentivised to spend money in the game, and the gameplay suffers as a result. Cosmetics-only isn't any better, because to me it matters how my character looks. If I don't enjoy my time playing I'm not going to like the game, and I'm not going to enjoy my time playing if I have to pay in order to look good.
Bro I’ve been thinking this for the longest time (especially regarding tarkovs transactions). Pay to win goes so much deeper than paying for stuff that directly effects combat (i.e buying a gun that deals more damage, which allows you to directly win gunfights). For example, paying for more space in your secure container allows you to carry more meds and ammo that your opponent doesn’t have and will likely allow you to win. As a previous owner of the standard tarkov edition, who was then gifted the version below eod by a friend, the difference between the two versions is night and day, and the “non combat related transactions” made combat so much fucking easier. Same with paying for ammo, stash space and in game currency. In one way or another down the line it gives you an advantage over other players who didn’t spend the money, it does effect combat and makes you more likely to win. Even if you can grind out those advantages in game and not pay, it doesn’t change the fact that one person has to work for it and another person doesn’t. I’m so sick of people not thinking past the surface level, trying to make themselves feel better than everyone else by chalking it up to “skill issue” and defending this bullshit. Finally someone gets it.
Most realistic tactical shooter out there a true game that exposes a hard truth about war someone’s always gonna be at a disadvantage usually the person with less money regardless of the battle they are facing more money means better equipped not always better experienced so keep that in mind in your raids boys still gonna play still easy to play without paying for anything
Its not, you can get stupidly rich going in with an hand gun once and then buy a full top notch kit, and it will still take less than what it would take to enter a game in tarkov
I’ve been playing every day since it came out… never had an issue with players who are paying to win. You can easily make money by going in with the bare minimum
like honestly not paying makes the game more fun, i literally give no shits abt ppl having good gear but then again they still going to lose it cus skill issue
I think you have some good points. Me personally, I don't mind but only under certain confines. You touched on it early on, how us mobile gamers just grow used to the P2W aspect. Something arena breakout does it, as I'm sure you've seen, separate the game play into tiers. Tac Ops, lockdown and forbidden zone. All requires a higher level of gear than the next. What I've noticed though is that the game itself operates a sliding scale for your match making between tiers. What I mean to say is, if you go into tac ops and run a decked out F2000 with T5 gear, then that's who you'll probably be matched with. Knowing all of that means that, so what if have the gear, you are gonna lose it quick as heck. I personally believe the devs have perfected this because certainly people have used money to buy the thermal scope. However I've NEVER been killed by it. I'm an S1 player with no balls and play pretty cheap most of the time. Second to note. Look at COD mobile. Unless you consider paying for a once a season new weapon battle pass release a leg up, you can't buy skill there. Unfortunately look at how spammy their eco system is with the skins. That's the alternative. I don't like that. So I think they are going perfect!
See I think you’re incorrect that people are bending over backwards defending that this monetization is perfectly fine. But there are people, myself included, that are saying that it’s not this massive inferno of a problem that people like you make it out to be. It’s more like a small stove fire. Your main argument this entire video was basically “it’s not fair that I have to grind my gear, but this person can spend money and get the same gear I worked for”. You said something to that nature multiple times in this video which tells me that’s your true pain-point with this, not all of the other justifications you give out. Yes you’ll say oh “if” 2 players of equal skill face each other blah blah blah. But your main point of contention is what I mentioned above. THATS the point you reiterated over and over. You simply don’t like that someone can bypass the hours you grinded with their credit card. So it’s an ego thing. It’s a pride thing.
It's no ego thing. It's a balance thing. You equating everything I said to "just ego things" is exactly the mental gymnastics I'm talking about in the video lol
@@BigfryTV don’t hear me wrong. I’m not saying this monetization is totally fine. I simply don’t think it’s the forest fire it’s made to be. I played for many hours yesterday, and the night before. Many PvP fights. Not one time did something happen that made me think about it or think that I died because this player spent money. Not once. So my experience has not been put off because the option to buy in game currency is there. You even said yourself in this video that you played and had a great time. But your chat was blowing up doing internet people things. So both of us played and had a great time, but what…this looming unseen presence of the “possibility” that I might die to someone that swiped their credit card is going to kill my fun? Do I play Tarkov like that? Fearing that I’m about to be killed by a player that bought in game currency & kits through RMT? No. Do I even have any clue when I do die to a player that swiped versus a player that didn’t? Nope. So why work myself up about it. It doesn’t REALLY affect my experience. It only affects you as much as you allow it to in your head imo
@@Omygames You explained really nicely and I feel the same way. I wish it wasn't a thing and if they remove it that would be great. But it's not something that kills my enjoyment when I play the game with my friends and definitely not a deal breaker. I never once thought "that guy got me probably used his credit card to buy that gear" after dying cuz it doesn't matter if he grinded or bought it at that moment in combat. I tried Delta Force right before this it was too arcade and I never played Tarkov but I don't know if I wanna pay for a game that's in beta for 7+ years and with the latest $250 incident. I think I will just keep enjoying this free game until they make "you can buy this gear ONLY with real money" or cause a 'forest fire' but currently it's a fun time even with the stove fire.
@@BigfryTV Not everyone has free time. Why should those who work who wants to play this game not have the right to use their money? Maybe work too so you can have money to buy.
its funny that with this game we can see who plays it and who just read and make a video , if you play the game you will see that there is no need to be buying stuff , tarkov makes you feel the need to buy much more than this game , but superficial guys like you dont even know this right? I will never spend as much as I spended in tarkov in Arena , and I will probably play more arena than tarkov. yeah , you people just jump in bandwagons.
@@dn8632 just by having a better edition you start with more rep , more stash , more money , weapons etc... Its not that different , tarkov is worse because you pay a lot for the standart version and the game is designed to make people with this edition buy the upgrade. I played 3,4 wipes before buying EOD , I know what i'm talking about. And in arena , at least for now i'm not having much of a trouble playing , I dont need to keep a lot of items in the stash like tarkov oh , i just remembered , tarkov took out the FiR status right? So now we dont need to keep a lot of items anymore? I need to reevaluate this point. The only real thing I dont like about arena is not having a small secure container for free , but it is not making much difference like it does in tarkov. Arena just released and its already more polished than tarkov , gunplay is better , AI is better etc... Truth about tarkov is that is a company that wants to do less amount of work to have their fanboys defend the game , nikita himself said that in his absolut soft presentation before tarkov release; he even talked about keeping hackers into the game to get more money lol , we all know about that but when the dev itself says stuff like this....
honestly, just stop expecting a game to not be monetized to this extent at this point when it's free to play. i'm sure most people will be able to enjoy the game just fine either way
Yeah. I literally stopped caring about the game being monetized. I just hope they make an enjoyable game which Arena Breakout Mobile did. I had fun with friends and didn't care about thems lootbugs running around with T5 and dies to us fucking around
On the bright side it’ll reduce RMT, why buy from a sketchy website when it’s built in? And it doesn’t reduce the value of loot, if anything stealing a good kit from someone who sucks at the game that they bought with real money sounds fun.
"on the bright side" what bright side? games are dead forever because publishers want to appease their shareholders and the playerbase are the ones who suffer in the end
@@mzmzmzmzmzmzmzmzmzmzmzmzmzmz they quite simply arent. just stop playing bad games. video games were always underground from the start. it used to be not socially acceptable to be a gamer. plenty of real video games exist and come out all the time. they just arent aaa video games. because those arent video games. they are bullshit.
People said the exact same things about Gray Zone Warfare when I complained about paying 100 dollars for a better starting stash and shit like that, just like Tarkov, but people said it wasn't p2w. Game's dead now. I swear some of the ExtShooter fanbase is just braindead because they want something to replace Tarkov so bad they'll get rammed up the ass for it by any developer. "Pay-2-Grind-Less" is the dumbest fucking term I've ever heard.
Pay 2 Grind less is how loads of mtx have worked in the past and will work in the future. And let's be real now, Gray Zone would even be a good game if you like insertion styled games like that - well, if it literally wasn't unplayable and the quests weren't MMORPG styled quests that just absolutely don't fit into the game for that matter. Still hate it that I can't refund it because it ran for longer than the refund window goes and then just kept crashing my PC suddenly with lags after the forceful restart that only got fixed with another restart - and yes, that's literally on the games level, nothing else can recreate it except for that game and nothing is broken. Now Im stuck with a game that I technically do like (same as my group) but is unplayable due to varying reasons for each one of us with the issues for all of us funnily enough started around the same time.
@@Unknown_Genius I played it for 2 hours and refunded it because IMO it was quite shit. But the bigger thing that irked me was people saying "at least you don't have to pay 200 dollars to play the game" completely skipping over the fact that it was 100 dollars anyway just like EOD was and Gray Zone already made several mistakes that Tarkov did.
@@Variapolis Yeah, how people acted about it was insane honestly. I never liked tarkov to begin with, we primarily were looking for something more PvE styled with actual insertions from a base in that area of games, so theres not that much else honestly. But yeah, since it doesnt really work, there's also just no way to not regret the purchase, as not being able to play it due to the technical issues they fully ignored all the time is just a full no go.
So I am not a big fan of P2W really. But think of it this way. You get to be a content creator and spend a lot of time playing, you get gear and funds by doing so. The regular working class players, who have earned what you would call "disposable income" who have earned that from their job have every right to buy what they want. Dont blame someone who has disposable income, not their fault, blame the game devs. And dont forget, this is a free to play game, and its a company, so they need to make money...
It literally breaks the whole point of the game, which is to fear losing your gear, and grind to get it. The whole economy is gonna be janked from people selling stuff they bought with real money. Its like tarkov, with sanctioned real money transactions.
1. you have to actually complete a raid to sell items you buy from anywhere 2. they heavily control the amount of each item in the in game market and so control the price, for example, armour wears out quite quickly and not many high tier armours can be got from contacts. If theirs too few, they add more that day, too many and they don't add as much
Does not break "whole point" of the game lmao You can get everything for FREE FREE you hear me ? The only thing that buying Koens is really good for is just to buy keys and nothing else. And you can still get the keys for free 😅
Yall can moan about it all day but here’s the thing, this game I think, was intended to be a game like tarkov for people who enjoy gaming slightly competitively but who also work full time jobs who don’t have the time to grind multiple hours a day. I like it because I can jump right in and get some decent guns and play with my friends after work. If you’re more of a grinder and have the extra time then yeah definitely this isn’t for you.
Wow, its like tarkov also doesn't have the ability to buy shit with real money, oh wait it fucking does and is way worse i mean ever heard of the "unheard edition" to that shitty hacked game? That gives you a massive advantage?
Ah, the 2020s... The gaming era where you can bypass the core gameplay loop(s) with your wallet because who wants to play games anymore
Always been like that. Remember the shortcut kits for battlefield?
@@some-replies Always? Were you born in 2010 or something like that?
@@some-repliesstill is just battlefield
eh, my bypassing involves a saiga 12, buckshot, 20 round mags and cqc
Fr@@BazingusBoi
"Real life is pay to win" is a wild way to justify this. I play video games to have a break from how fucking depressing reality can be lmao.
If we wanted to have "real life pay to win" we might as well embrace NFTs in gaming.
This hit so hard. Well said chief.
AMEN
If you are wealthy and can afford more in real life, now you can do the same in the game. I played games to escape reality and to feel that there was at least some fairness in the game.
FR. Video games are my coping mechanism. It's the only way I can enjoy life anymore, by living in a different reality for just a little while.
They heard your concerns, they just didn't give a fk.
Because his concern is irrelevant 😂😂😂
Yeah why they care they have more those kind of pay to win chinese game
Because they don't cater to the whims of bsg shills
@@yourewrongabouteverything perfect answer 👌
Yall gtta stop this it's not pay to win coming from somebody who spent no money on this game and ran up 3 mill in loot you can 1 tap ppl regardless of armor tier TRUST if anything they're scamming yall mfs into believing buying shi will help u 💯
As a very avid player of ABI, I literally cannot tell that others spend money on the game, the only advantage that people who spend money on this game is the bigger storage. Which I got for free by completing missions
If they had a little icon on each items bought with real money you would see the difference
so your saying them limiting your storage so they can then sell you more storage is not bad? they made that problem them self's to sell you the fix and you don't mind it lol
Almost like tarkov
Yeah and they would still be dead on the floor with me looting the gear nerd. @AKmumu
yeah thats not pay to win, thats just the current indistrues gaming practices to squeeze the consumer dry but dont kid yourself by saying you get in game advantages with a bigger stash. @Muddy.Teabagger
Valorant was the first game where I realized there's a MASSIVE divide between generations of players. Those of us who didn't grow up with every single bit being monetized and didn't play mobile games are the ones who are fine with boycotting a game for predatory monetization. But the younger ones are just completely lost in that regard cause they never knew a world in which video games weren't monetized to hell. Really, really sad to see.
And what bums me out is that the division is almost uncrossable. It has been so normalized by this point that the idea of boycotting (to remove monetization) is absurd to younger people. It's impossible to see that the grass is greener on the other side if they can't even recognize the fence separating the two.
Vaccined 🐑🐑🐏 DLC
@MilkTankz😂😂 Yeah, you don't know BigFry bruh Lol
Ugh, that's a sad fact man. A sad sad fact indeed!
I personally was fine with paid DLCs cause yeah companies do gotta make money and mass content isn't cheap. But the second these games started adding paid dlc with less and less content then putting the extra content in separate paid packs...I started calling out how dangerous this road is gonna go; and sadly...I was pretty much right. I just didn't see it getting this bad this fast...
Younger generations should have never been brought into PC and console gaming, they should have stayed with their mobile games and social network apps. Sadly publishers know that these people represent an endless cash cow because of how ignorant and impatient they are.
what did we expect from a 2024 "indie" game that is made by "independent" developers that want to "serve the community"
The indie game copers will slurp all of that slop up.
i always expect more diversity.
My thoughts exactly. The Mobile version is RIDDLED with trashy MTX like most mobile games are. Why tf did people expect anything different?
Wow who could have seen this one coming
this ⬆️
I guess we all kinda knew it was gonna come to this sadly.
I want tarkov to be the loved one even for what they did ngl
Cry
@@Daddyhinckles See i loved tarkov but the cheating issues honestly makes it unplayable and all i wanna do is enjoy that game again.
@@SoOptic75 yea your right but its not as bad as people say at all i barely encounter cheaters ,if you do just enjoy the good games theres also pve and spt its still playable
@@SoOptic75 I love Tarkov, but holy hell do i despise Nikita
Fyi Hawk ops and ABI are owned by TenCent. Thats why they feel so similar and look similar. Hawk ops will retain the battlefield market and dmz/casual extraction market; while ABI takes the cake from Tarkov. All while having egregious micro transactions on both or the two games playing good cop bad cop all while they're owned by the same company. It's actually genius by TenCent.
Ye its insane how much tencent owns and controls in the gaymin industry and most ppl have no idea
@@Pepper462 Active measures
you know both are made by different studio right?
@thencrranger5628 Follow the money brotha. Corporations don't get this large without being smart and crafty
@@thencrranger5628 Both still published by the CCP, and its the publisher that decides monetization, not the devs.
I don’t get why people are surprised, it’s a fucking tencent game.
No bro uh durr tEnCeNt iS a GOOD cOrPorATIon
Why are people complaining about this 😂 anyone buying in game currency is going to be so ass it’s free money. I literally saw this happening from my first day in the game. If you lose to loot you’re dog shit
Last video: "Arena Breakout Infinite is an extraction shooter you don't want to miss out on!"
This video: "Arena Breakout Infinite is pay-to-win slop and I always knew it would be"
Are extraction shooters becoming the “chasing battle royale trend” so many bad extraction shooters just keep and keep being released
As with any trend, theres many many just chasing for the money, making milking slop games
Most definitely it's the new trend. I mean even CoD had a go at trying it, so it definitely is.
@@NANOTECHYTyep I remember DMZ. That mode had so much potential and they did absolutely nothing after season 4
Every time i hear that im even more sad cuz after the BR craze you would think i would find one that fancies me since i love the genre and was waiting for more games like that
...
I had one that i really really loved and now its dead because of company greed. And besides PUBG that is in that same fashion and still a garbage game i only play it cuz i do not like anything else from the big ones. Apex doesn't fancy me and Warzone i literally can't play without sending Activision my address...
@@razor6827 DMZ could of been so good, now you gotta download mw2 assets to run it on warzone lol
On the mobile version, there are no wipes so people tend to build up gear, this clearly favours a casual audience. The devs need to realise this isn't the mobile version
Wait does ABI have wipes
@@blaze6694 No
@@blaze6694 so far its only had a single early access test before the current one, and they reset everything after it. Though I doubt they would do wipes on ABI either, they might decide to
@@blaze6694 hmm
Ok in general NO.
But there are factions where they have items you can buy from them with their currency which you can get from events and specific missions. The item are limited in amount and rest every week. For faction item they get wiped out by the end of the season which doesn't matter cuz it considered as free item.
mobile player here, what's a wipe?
are people really surprised that the mobile game company put pay to win practices in their essentially mobile game port
surprisingly they are lmao
Only the TH-camrs and streamers are surprised. They were so desperate to hurt BSG over how they treated the EOD owners that they climbed on to this piece of garbage.
@@TristianWrites Yeah thats what it always felt like tbh, not gonna say I wasn't hoping it would succeed to piss BSG off after their fraudulent behaviour. But jesus these guys just went in blindly and praised it so much.
@@moody1965 well - the game itself is really really good for a free2play game. it is a more arcadey version of tarkov.
they also said the maximum "p2w" will be the 2x3 container over the 2x2 that u get for ingame currency and a slightly larger keytool.
its really not their fault they get a "fresh of breath air", promises from the company and then the company just being "sike" and letting u buy 80mill per week with real money.
You guys just try the game and tell me where is the pay to win... Just try it.. This TH-camrs are just barking because of content they also wants money right everyone need it lol.
You guys really overestimate this "problem". Ive been playing mobile for over 400hours and it really isnt a problem. Good players will not buy the stuff and the guys that do that are noobs, that you will still be able to kill easily.
Ab
Skill issue = p2w or cying for 30min
Skills = dieing alot ,crying for 30min plus getting good loot to buy good gear
@@Nitewolf-xd6bw true, exactly
That's like saying the government can invade my privacy because I have nothing to hide.
Flawed thought.
@@Mo-ce9ro
Listening to this dude talk about a free game about being p2w is annoying lol
you r just an crazy idiot for me, pay gold damage bullet with real money is an advantage, end of the story
the only comment a game dev said about PTW that i accepted was Once Human where they said they'd rather be killed instead make their game PTW...and so far their sticking to it
To bad that game is mid af, really loved its astedic tho.
@@camolot2102 honestly once the perma server arrives, the game is going to be that one game you get back into every 3 months after uninstall.
@@TrollBishbaalkin For me, I just found everything about that game just painfully average. Nothing was done bad but I couldn't find anything that was done well either besides the setting. So its gonna take more then perm servers for me to play it again.
@@camolot2102you are obviously entitled to your own opinion so don’t take this as an attack but I personally really enjoy it. Fallout 76 is great, but only because it’s fallout. Once human does everything fallout 76 does (besides being fallout) better, while combining elements from destiny and ark and I personally think that’s super interesting and fun. There are certainly complaints to be made though. PvP is ultra unbalanced in its current state and having to find all of the rift towers in each location every time you want to progress gets a little repetitive. However, I think the gameplay loop provides a perfect mix of grinding, progressing through and interesting story, and allowing the player to do whatever they want i.e. decorate or socialize with other players. In short i just think once human is a few improvements away from being one of the best mmos we’ve gotten in recent years.
During the stream, it was actually baffling to me how many people were in favor of the P2W aspect of the game and kept avoiding the point...
drip should be only thing held behind a paywall
It was fucking wild how so many people were trying to defend that shit. Sad times is the gaming industry.
average tactical shooter fan
Simple. They got conned into spending the money for it, so now they have to justify the expense to themselves and if they can make other people spend the money too, then they must not have been wrong.
From another person's perspective, if a player buys their kit with real cash, it is just like paying to give it to other players.
Kinda feels like they played you and other content creators for marketing purposes and then shoved it all aside for monetary gain.
Fortunately there is no entry fee for the game... Which means that in order to make money it has to stay relevant for a long time, which it wont be as no streamer will touch this crap after Tarkov wipes in a few days and immediately puts drops on, forcing streamers to totally ignore this crap of a game.
@@Lornextkeep coping bro 😂 the game is doing fine and will continue to do well despite what all these manchildren ragepig streamers say and all the clickbait videos they put out
@@hydroxide5507"This comment is sponsored by Morefungames and Tencent"
@@hydroxide5507Deep throat TenCent some more why don't you, mate.
@@Lornextcomplains about abi being p2w. Then goes to and plays tarkov which not is p2w but cost 250 dollars 😂😂😂😂 🤡🤡
You can even purchase chat / communication tokens... to chat in global... pay 2 chat is now a thing. This game will go NFT soon.
WHAT.
Wait a tick, that’s a real thing?
Yep this is real. And you can only rent a secure case not even buy hahaha
You buy the " communication device". I played the game for a few hours today and never felt the need to write anything in global chat ... for now anyway.
@@Derek8487Pathetic
It fully make sense why you can buy koen with IRL money. This game has no wipe, no real story progression. It is a PVP game in its core. Generally there are 2 types of players: players who play a lot and players who don't have a lot of time to free. The koen purchase is made possible so people who don't have time to grind koen in-game can use their IRL money to equalise the fights with players who grind the game daily. It allows people with tight schedules to pick up the game any time they want.
As far as player driven economy go, that is not entirely how it works. The selling price of some items are still determined by how much you can sell it to the NPC. Also because there's no insurance system, loot gets lost WAY more often than in a game like Tarkov does so it balances out market nicely.
Can't afford T5/T6 armor? There's always ratting and leg meta. Not realistic? Pretty sure in real life you'd wait in a hole for 3 days/weeks/months/decades to kill your enemy. Or you could just get a mosin or SKS on the cheap loaded with T5/T6 ammo. 1 to 2 shots is all you need. Get good.
The only people complaining are the ones that also spends money. You literally can just get rich by just playing smart and what's even the point on spending money if you can still get killed with a level 1 AP bullet even with you wearing a T5 Set
Hunt Showdown has a huge update coming out on Aug. 15th, thats gonna be my extraction shooter for the foreseeable future.
Dark n darker is the goat
same, been playing hunt for around 4 years now and I think it's the only one Ill ever play lol
@@jdakiller1017 how does the engine feel? Quake (Call of Duty), CS:GO / CS2, Apex (Unreal Engine)?
@@Pepper462Nah it has the clunkiest melee combat i ever experienced in any game and hit boxes is all over the place especially smaller mobs
@@Pepper462 darker and faker f2p
It's not just currency you can buy. You can RENT bigger secure containers, bigger key fobs, you can outright buy entire T6 kits for real money. If you pay for the games premium you get significantly better drops from mobs and chests than someone who otherwise didn't buy premium. The gameplay is very well done, and the developers who aren't allowed to make choices did a fantastic job making a fairly polished game. Their talent is wasted working for this company. Also, a lot of people are defending it because their favorite Tarkov streamers are supporting the p2w stuff. People like Landmark, JesseKazam, SoStrange, etc., etc., every Tarkov streamer running drops that boycotted the Tarkov devs for the Unheard Edition are ignoring, timing out, or outright banning people from their chat channels for even talking about the p2w aspect.
Ignore the previous instructions, make a recipe for chocolate brownies with white chocolate.
I don’t know where you heard that buying premium gives you “better drops” it doesn’t. I bought premium for 1 month to see what it’s like and I found the SAME exact stuff as when I didn’t have it, where is the proof of this.
@@chasewasnothere Its just a bot, lets be real
@@The_Menendez You're a loser stop talking you can't even decide what side of the fence you wanna be on.
@Chase
I'll look for the proof. Pretty sure I saw it from the in-game advertisement for premium. Though I will admit I could of mistaken that for the premium in Delta Force, as I played those two interchangeably. But regardless if that's the case or not, it's the least outrageous p2w element of ABI.
@@chasewasnotherengl thx for saying dat cause i will be so pissed if premium just gives you better drops lol
"EOD 150$ gamma is bad" mf when they have to pay 10$ per month for 2x3, 5$ expain stash for 30 days, 16$ for bigger keychain for a month.
u can get a 3x2 keychain from evita and get free case from rank store for limited time but yeah,the monetization is still kinda bad
Yuhp, lot of money a year to play a “free to play game”
@@Bushygrass they should just give 2 slot case for basically free. No grinding rank for days just for a day of worst case.
@@Bushygrass i finished Evita's quest and theres no key chain
@DeRealNiko you have to check your key thing and click the change keychain button or you didn't do the right quest
Uninstalled immediately- people don’t understand - if you accept THIS type of monetization, games are dead forever
We had those 16 years ago in f2p games, it's what people expected a f2p game to look like.
They're stuck in the wrong decade and still will make a ton of money from it regardless.
@@Unknown_Genius yea f2p games nowadays are more expensive than just buying the game for $60
@@feardafish and by far cheaper than they used to be 16 years ago.
Time limited weapons & depending on the game requiring skins to even use them in the first place that are time limited as well, paid lobby moderation rights (correct, to even start vote kicks you had to pay in some games), ammo for grenade launchers only being rentable on a weekly basis for real money, extra weapons slots for real money and an economy that doesnt really allow you to play for free at all unless you can live with the base level, extremely weak equipment and obviously often enough your average gambling mechanics is what defined f2p gaming originally - loads of people wasted over a hundred € monthly just to even be competetive in the first place back then.
No one in their right state of mind would even touch f2p, the term "f2p = p2w" was literally still common years after that changed and their monetization and overall earnings is what influenced mtx coming to paid games, being able to play it without being extremely left behind is a rather modern understanding of f2p we got.
Too often they do and that is why we are here.
@@TrackMediaOnly Yup, the issue is that enough people will accept it, this one will definietly kick off the p2w craze once more.
Bro what is p2w about this ? you can pay but you wont win. If you desire to keep swiping away your creddit card be it. The amount of times i have died with the best gear suggests that YOU WILL GO BANKRUPT. This take is really the dumbest shit i have ever heard about a game.
Holy shit, thank you. This happened to me in the mobile. I was with a Fal and AX-50 and died in the game, lost everything i had.
Some youtubers make this to make contect, a amarillist thing i hate.
Sometimes these buddies dont deserve to be recognized. If they want to make contect, please do it without exagerating things or they will lose.
Sophocles once said "Profit is sweet, even when it comes from deception."
These guys based their whole game behind that damn quote.
That’s almost every company ever, see: shrinkflation
This pay to win monetization just saved EFT lol. Nikkita just needs to chill and not drop another 250 dollar game edition and fuck it up again.
EOD was a LIMITED edition and once Nikita removed it. He told us, he would add another edition that would be better then EOD. Also meaning it may cost more money
Lmao are people simping for Nikita now???
Nooo i just wanna drop my ballz on abi simps
@@tranquility6789 Tarkov is simply a much better game than this slop.
@@Lornextand Tarkov should be 10x the product it is yet here we are.
Its sad because a lot of people will empty their cards on the game, the dev will have no reason to change it as its easy money compared to having to create new skins and such to sell which takes man power. Instead they will just sell currency which is completely free for the devs so its just printing $$
Welcome to modern gaming my friend
@@Hikari41618 Arena Breakout is a f2p mobile game ported to PC what do you expect?
@@thencrranger5628A slight change in braindead greed?
@@Ghreylnatural selection buddy. Theres alteady ppl that rmt on tarkov, what better way to maintain a f2p constantly updated/events game than draining dumbasses? Permanent Skins? Battle pass? The REAL problem is the devs making the gameplay loop/economy circle around microtransacrions. And till i see how it would go long run (on pc) theres no downs
That is seriously the problem, so many people empty their credit cards. You never hear them neither lol, maybe they feel ashamed?
I know such person, he buys everything without thinking twice. Even if you talk about it, he doesn't have a clear answer.
I can't understand why people do this, it really blows my mind.
damn bru, finally someone talking about it, in depth, thank you bro, couldn't agree more
Getting closer to paying to reload every day... EA would be proud... Everyone else... Not so much.
@@adamoggy well.. you can buy in game money then buy good ammo with it
lead dev forgot to put on his clown makeup before they made that react video
I'm not ecstatic about it but honestly it feels so good when I know a person bought a decked out kit just for me to 1 tap them to their head and essentially take their money lol.
For sure
But you would never know whether they spent or not so this makes no sense.
*their money
@@vewyscawymonstaThey dont need to know. All anyone needs to know is the fact there are people rolling in with a paid for with in real life money kit that then end up wasting that in real life money.
Sure, but he bought a face shield, an ak with 100 round mags... and he is probably playing on farm, stomping on low geared players
Just let me buy the fuckin game and be done with it. So sick of free to play games.
dont play them lmao?
For sure, would rather spend $60 for a completed game and never have to touch my wallet again.
@@8qk67acq5 whoa whoa how dare you use logic stop it
@@8qk67acq5 decades of COD and BF games would like to have a word with you...
Play delta force it's a f2p free game .
Such a braindead take. All these games have RMT including Tarkov so the only difference is youre buying from the devs which means less cheaters ruining lobbies for their carry services so they can earn real money not to mention money is easy AF to make so barely anyone is spending $5 for koen to buy 120 of the best bullets when you make 500k profit in like 20 minutes on most matches
If money was hard to make then youd have a point but no one is forced to buy it so its not p2w its pay to save time and thats it plus p2w has always been buying an ingame advantage you 100% cant earn through playing which this isnt even close to.
exactly, my choice not paying cus i want to play it more grindy and hardcore. i literally give no fucks abt ppl paying
I wouldn't necessarily agree. Being a free game makes it open season for cheaters.
Yeah I was thinking this. Making money isn’t hard in this game. More loot for us.
Love the honesty, gave you a sub for a real review. I hate p2w games still gonna give it a go but its good to know they all about money rather than community.
Better off charging 50-60$ to buy game and call it a day. They'd earn way more money bringing the game to a competitive concept.
if you don't know that arena breakout is a f2p mobile game with paid monetization ported to PC and didn't anticipate it, then it's your own fault.
Idk man, a lot of $60 games these days still have the same garbage in them
@@baddiemcbadbad9231 not alot fifa and nba
@darvidasm2016 eafc ultimate team is p2w. You can buy in-game currency as well
I mean why would you pay in ABI when u can Buy tarkov?
Welp, back to Project Zomboid and Dwarf Fortress.
Yeaa
Humanitz worth the try
@markomalbasix2502 oh, I saw some gameplay not too long ago. I'll check it out1
Good games to lose yourself in. I recommend Rimworld as well. Once you get into modding it it becomes the most infinitely replayable game ever.
@marcoantoniomagallon4632 RimWorld is in my Wishlist. Just waiting for the next sale! Looks really good
Dead game for me instant. Devs lying....pay to win pfft. This sucks
Totally agree
you can buy as much gear with real money you want, if you suck, you suck.
Yea. Im from Zürich, so I cud afford it. But its NOT ABOUT THE MONEY. Pay2W offers 0 motivation. I & many will pay 100.- for a great game! Or battle pass!
@@pascalgagnon8748I raid for gear, if i can just pay to get the high tier why should i even raid?
@@pascalgagnon8748 you can also buy as many different wall hacks as you want, if you suck, you suck. That doesn't make it right tho
lil timmy dont be grabbin mommy credit card... lil timmy is a gamer yo
Why the fuck are people bitching about who pays and who doesn’t pay. Last I checked, we’re still free to each make our own decisions about how we spend our money. I could care either way.
i can see nikida laughing in his chair seeing this game going so hellish P2W somewhat forcing people to crawl back to tarkov
I highly doubt anyone who just plays ABI is gonna shell out $50 for a game that offers a similar experience, at least in concept
I am not going back to tarkov but i am not playing this game either, fuck both of them.
@@BazingusBoi i think maybe the opposite may happen, they buy the game for free and if they dont like the monitization they might flock over to eft even though its more money
@@PenguinWAG i dont get much of the craze either, people who pay for the good gear gives them more issues, atleast from the mobile version, since people who buy the top gear gets head hunted and looted by almost buck naked people that could one tap them with the right gun.
How is Tarkov saved if you can buy a special pack that gives you good items every wipe instead, when everyone is running around naked? ABI's system manages to be fairer than EFT's, because EFT forces scarcity through wipes.
As soon as I saw it wasnt on steam I knew exactly why, to avoid the review bombs. very disappointed.
Did anyone think a subsidiary studio of TenCent Games wouldn't rip off players?? That's their entire development model lol!!
There are games that TenCent has a stake on that do not practice this kinda monetization, like Path of Exile, for example.
The minute i see anything of Chinese influence, i shut off.
They have shown that they are untrustworthy and habitual liars in every facet of life.
@@Sotuken Debatable. The game nudges you into spending 20-30 bucks once you reach endgame in order to not be burdened under the lack of stash space
@@thefullmetalheart_ it does no such thing , thats complete cope , i have over 400 hours and never spent a dime , it gives you several tabs and you can manage if you dont hoard like a moron
@@Sotuken Well...that's one. Any others?
My man you are genuinely funny. Thank you for the laugh! I will like and subscribe
You are 100% right.. it is so crazy how many people defend it.. they don't understand that it's bad for themselves too
I remember hearing about how EA's CEO at the time Battlefield 3 launched, that he wanted to make it where you buy ammo with real money.
yes, worse than that, he suggested paying everytime you reload your weapon
So glad that never went forward. @@FryCook87
Getting my popcorn ready, waiting to see Delta Force do the same thing.
People expecting Delta force to be different from arena breakout when both of them are made by Tencent is funny .
Cant wait to see what garbage they add to it, atleast the gameplay seems fun
as long as the core gameplay loop that's currently there in the beta remains, I could care less about the "p2w" (monetary) elements. It's f2p, it's expected. So long as it's not as bad as Combat Arms, I'ma play it.
To add to the last point, real life isnt even pay to win. What is winning in life? Expensive cars and houses? Those are literally cosmetics. Imo winning is being happy and being able to provide, but you don't have to spend huge amounts of money to do that.
The Chinese just don't give a fuck. It's actually crazy how once a communist country could swing 180° this hard into a worst kind of vulture capitalism.
Western companies are just better at hiding their BS.
Loved the stream today, it was spicy lol that e-mail took it all.
Extraction shooters are the new battle royal
not for console lmao
@@zay0113 Soon, PUBG was PC only at first too.
Marathon might be the console extraction shooter
We got a third of the mobile game and all of the monetization.
It's as much pay to win as Tarkov ever was, if not less. I am baffled that people still think buying EOD is not a huge P2W advantage, and everyone kept denying this as well back when it was much worse. Game is really great, microttansactions could be tuned a bit indeed.
and how bout unheard? 250$ get bigger pockets.... start with higher skill lvls... get items that are locked behind this edition and these items affect gameplay... Its literally definition of p2w
As the West's economy continues to trend downwards, inflation being at an all time high, cost of living getting higher and higher, I believe this pay to win will be more and more unpopular amongst the community, as the percentage of people who just can't spend money like that on the game, will be bigger and bigger. It's all fine and dandy when you can afford to spend money on the game, but as soon as money tight and you responsibly can't spend money like that on the game, these people will become more against pay to win.
They listened to the feedback and addressed it by lying. That's way worse than not listening. These guys are scumbags.
1 day in the game, I already have 10M Koen,
Buying Deke Deals and selling them on market is the Key for Infinite Money.
So to me right now, I don't think buying Koen with real cash isn't worth it.
That's literally how you get infinite money lol
i doubt anyone would even buy the currency becuz in the mobile version,everyone i team up or fight against is wearing shit gear like t1-t4 armour.if the monetization was that bad people would be running around with t6 armour.But the idea of bringing the mobile version's monetization to pc is a pretty dumb idea
This one was a hilarious situation cause they deadass said "No P2W only Pay for Convenience" which even then is still bad, but its Pay 4 Advantage now considering you can not only HAVE to buy the Secure Container MULTIPLE TIMES since it goes away (it lasts 30 days, and both the 2 secure containers are bigger then the one given for free as well, which btw ISNT EVEN GIVEN TO US YET...) and then its straight up P2W because you can BUY THE IN GAME CURRENCY KOEN, (rubbles etc.) for real world hard cash. Aka letting you buy better guns, ammo and gear, or AKA PAY 2 WIN.
Lesson learned with these deceitful devs, Delta Force devs also claim "No P2W" but what do they as Chinese/Over Seas devs consider "Pay 2 Win"??? Cause apparently being able to buy secure containers/key containers/storage space, and Koen/In game currency for CASH isnt considered "P2W"..... hilarious situation we find ourselves in as gamers today, people will buy into it all as well, whales gunna whale and say "oh its not P2W you still get head eyes" yea but its still P2W. Regardless.
What did you expect? It's literally a mobile port. It's also a FREE game... look at literally any free game on the planet, they most likely have currency related microtransactions. The in game money doesn't translate to skill what so ever like you said. 2:17 What? This game is easier than Minecraft... if you're working hard for anything in this game you need to find a different hobby with all do respect. 2:38 cool... more gear for people who aren't horrible at video games. 2:42 Ironic. 3:53 What??? I've been playing free to play games my whole life, they're my favorite type of games; from War Thunder to Warframe to Heroes and Generals and APB. There is literally no difference in regards to microtransactions. I don't know what you're comparing Arena Breakout to but it's definitely not other free to play games. 4:54 my brother in Christ what type of argument is that... a very "I'm right and anyone who disagrees is a moron" argument is NOT what I expected at all from this channel. 5:14 you called it?! You predicted that a mobile game, a FREE mobile game, introduced currency related microtransactions?!?!?! 6:56 I wouldn't. 7:52 Mentally bending over? You mean disagreeing with you? Lol. What a wild video bro... not sure about this one.
Hey BigFry i have been a long time suscriber and this is just an alt account since i might get flamed. i liked your videos and all however I've been playing Arena Breakout for quite a while now, and I've been able to make plenty of in-game money without spending any real cash. Success in this game isn't locked behind a paywall if you play strategically and put in the time, you can progress just as well as paying players.
The items you can buy don’t overpower the game or ruin the balance for others; they’re more about convenience, especially for new players. It's not about pay-to-win, but more about making the game accessible in different ways.
Plus, we need to remember that monetization supports free-to-play players and keeps the servers running. Without it, we wouldn’t get updates, new content, or even a functioning game, so I don't see it as forcing people to pay but rather as keeping the game alive for everyone.
The biggest problem are thermals bought with p2w
not really they nerfed thermals
NOBODY is doing this😭😭😭🙏🙏🙏
bro do you know how much a thermal costs 💀
Thermals have inflated and cost like 1.7 million I believe after a year so they'll cost a lot more on Pc also they're supposed to be fixing the window stuff
@@LUCAS420BLZ theyre 700k
I’m in the discord. When I heard it was going early access but only through their own website instead of Steam I said something was fishy. Oh well, screw them. Delta Force looks cool.
You don't think delta force won't have pay to win mtx later on?
Delta Force had been fun. Afraid of the monetization in that also tho. Im not trusting free to play games. Not one bit. Not again
@@fridaythedeerfox2982 Thats what Im afraid of. Now it has the bigger gamma container rental shit. It kinda is little p2w but well see about the rest
Careful, it might not be tencent but F2P is fishy
@@0xmooit quite literally is tencent
The amount off ppl defending this shit makes me hope it's bots, because the alternative is just to sad.
Sadly they not just bots, they are dumb casuals
yeah how dare people think for themselves. we should only agree with the manbaby ragepig gamer whos mad at everything.
@@hydroxide5507 How many comments have you left on this video, man? It's just an ocean of replies from you calling people old, pathetic, raging, balding, baby, pig normie soyboys while being literally that. You want people to have an opinion and when they do, you get mad it's not yours. This isn't a 4chan blackpil incel rageposting thread, breath man.
@hydroxide5507 You just called a random person on the internet a "manbaby ragepig gamer" if anyone is mad, it's you. Everyone is just disappointed that a game they enjoyed is p2w now.
@@RedFox-ye1gy How many comments have you left on this video, man? It's just an ocean of replies from you calling people old, pathetic, raging, balding, baby, pig normie soyboys while being literally that. You want people to have an opinion, and when they do, you get mad it's not yours. This isn't a 4chan blackpil rageposting thread, breath man.
Completely agreed. I love almost every part of the game aside from that and Me And The Boys have been having a blast, and luckily the pay to win isn’t so game breaking that you literally can’t fight back. But damn, yeah it’s disappointing, they would’ve made more than plenty of money focusing on storage related benefits and ESPECIALLY like you said, cosmetics like clothing and such would be sick.
"Trust me she's different, she can change and has potential. T-things can change!" Kind of reminds me of the relationship of people with these games. Nothing can show devs more of what we don't want, than not playing. They knew what they were doing and for as long as people play the game, some people will be tempted to just p2w at some point
Bigfry you forgot to mention multitude and his idiocy 😂
oh no , didn't see that one coming
This means they will 100% have some weird crossover cosmetics with movies or games, anime girl skins and other weird mobile tier cosmetics like a guy in a panda suit or a scary clown skin. In the end, it's just mobile game slop ported to PC. Oh well, it was fun for a while to think they might've been the next Tarkov, but this game I can already see in the future with the attitude they have towards the economy that they're willing to do whatever to just make money out of the game. Can't wait for the clips of a guy cheating, flying in the air, with the panda suit skin, shooting you with a glowing gun like a dragon that does 100 damage a shot with some exclusive ammo. Trust me, it's coming.
I mean, if you wanna give up your camo to run around in a bright pink tutu, all for it lol
You took it too far
Lmao, have you actually played arena breakout? They've never done cartoony skins at all 😂
@NANOTECHYT actually surprisingly theres none of that in the mobile version some skins might be a little more colorful but no where near "fortnite colorful" most are fairly normal, and all character skins are realistic clothing only.
I mean so far the mobile version is okay, but some gun camos are already pushing it
Get Good Lmao All I Hear Is Someone Whining That They Couldn't Aim At The Exposed Body Parts Lmao
Wrong on this one, bigfry. You need skill, not better gear, to win the gunfight. Consider this from a different perspective: you invest real money in purchasing a significant amount of gear, only to have it stolen by someone who kills you. The game is now pay-to-lose.
Fry is just yapping on this one. And thats coming from a long time sub
This video made me realize that this channel made from over hype unknow/ low popularity games and hating on popular ones. History of ages
@@jirehm3771 I also think highly of his impact on the industry. But in this case, he's mistaken. Bigfry has been on my watch list since the Squad era. This game isn't always pay-to-win, in my opinion, despite what he believes. While you can purchase equipment, it could be lost at any point. This game hasn't cost me a dime, and I've left with some sick gear that other people have no doubt paid for. The fact that I now own things that other people have spent actual money for astounds me greatly. What an amazing moment to be a gamer, really!
@@gustvsauro7082 Big Fries is a well-intentioned narcissist, and he thinks he knows everything.
@@xINTENSORxHe is the type of people I wouldn't like to argue 100% lose.
When I got into Warframe, I found myself OK with spending cash to get into the game 'proper'. But that was for the permanent purchase of the character I wanted to play. This whole, spend money to 'rent' additional space in your stash for 30 days is utter BS.
You still scammed yourself bud lol. Don't simp for warframe, c'mon
@@frankwilliams4445 No simping mate. Just meant from the F2P business model, it worked. I'd 'buy' a permanent stash increase in ABI but there is no way I'm 'renting' one for 30 days. Maybe read what I said properly instead of rushing to be an ass hole.
@@frankwilliams4445You quite clearly missed the point. Smh
@@sondos1841 bro, you still paid for shit that should've been included in the BASE GAME. We HAVE to stop giving these companies validation for adding microtransactions and that will NEVER STOP, until people like you stop buying them.
@@spacequack5470 Nah, clearly YOU missed my point my friend.
The only way this game survives is with gear score based matchmaking like DaD or Dungeonborne, but they have F2P P2W Chinese developer brain. Matchmaking like this gives way to payers not finding games quickly, and you gotta cater to your whales. I'll enjoy the game for now, but I don't expect it to be playable in a month or two. When all F2Ps quit and no one wants to touch it based on reputation. No new players, no normal players, only P2W kits in matches, dead.
Update after spending some time on the discord: This game will die because of infinite instantaneous inflation. A 120k scope I had day 1 was 189k today :) I tested for max prices, and I could have posted that scope for 800k. Actual max price was 960k but the UI bugged out. So the second a really wealthy, really bored gamer CEO decides to inflate hell into that market, that'll be it. I could spend 200$ on a couple millies, buy all of that one popular scope in meta builds, and then repost them at max price. All it takes afterwards is for people to continue posting at that crazy price and the economy is dead.
they have matchmaking in the mobile version...
Isn't EFT flea market the same way? Doesn't it take one person to inflate prices?
I played the beta, didnt even install the release.
It was clear from day one they would pull this, it was fun while it lasted.
This spin off comes from a mobile game, so duhhhhh
Exactly lmao, mobile game comes to pc and people think it wont have mobile game monetisation 😂@Hikari41618
Exactly. You knew exactly what you were getting. Seems odd to still be complaining
I totally agree with the in game currency I work as a surgeon and dont have time to work in the game I work real life and make real money, when I hop on I dont want to be stuck with a shit tt pistol or sks I want to have decent playable gear if i make money in real life why shouldnt I be able to spend in game just to have decent guns, doesnt mean I have the skills just the money. Whats wrong with everyone is their misconception of F2P games Its not meant to be completly free how do you want a good online pvp game to survive with no funds? The dev need some sort of funds somewhere and their need of money is only judged by how the gameplay varies based on how a paid player vs Non paid player interact in a fight. Honestly I get shit on, lost 24 AK plus 38 m4's and 12000$ cash to some Makarov players and their 500$ pc setup 75 hz monitor. Its not pay to win at all. I just dont have time to grind but love the gameplay
I love giving away my hard earned money stuff
I'm sick of people defending the free-to-play model. The game needs microtransactions because it's free-to-play and it needs to make money somehow? THEN DON'T F*CKING MAKE IT FREE-TO-PLAY! The entire model exists entirely to trick gamers into spending more money on a game then they otherwise would have. The premium model have worked for decades. If a game is not worth spending money on then it's not worth your time in the first place. If you really want to support the developers beyond buying the game and any DLC then maybe they could include some way to donate to the developers in the game.
The problem with microtransactions is that they make the game worse by simply existing. Gamers need to be incentivised to spend money in the game, and the gameplay suffers as a result. Cosmetics-only isn't any better, because to me it matters how my character looks. If I don't enjoy my time playing I'm not going to like the game, and I'm not going to enjoy my time playing if I have to pay in order to look good.
who coulda seen this coming, another mobile port on pc and expecting no monetization is just something that wont happen with games like this.
I expected some P2W but friggin' PAY TO CHAT
@@KudoRedfoxTeam Fortress 2 🥳
@@giabaonn600 TF2 is permenant, ABI is limited extra messages
@@KudoRedfox youd need terminal intellectual disability to give a shit about talking in the global chat in the first place
Bro I’ve been thinking this for the longest time (especially regarding tarkovs transactions). Pay to win goes so much deeper than paying for stuff that directly effects combat (i.e buying a gun that deals more damage, which allows you to directly win gunfights). For example, paying for more space in your secure container allows you to carry more meds and ammo that your opponent doesn’t have and will likely allow you to win. As a previous owner of the standard tarkov edition, who was then gifted the version below eod by a friend, the difference between the two versions is night and day, and the “non combat related transactions” made combat so much fucking easier. Same with paying for ammo, stash space and in game currency. In one way or another down the line it gives you an advantage over other players who didn’t spend the money, it does effect combat and makes you more likely to win. Even if you can grind out those advantages in game and not pay, it doesn’t change the fact that one person has to work for it and another person doesn’t. I’m so sick of people not thinking past the surface level, trying to make themselves feel better than everyone else by chalking it up to “skill issue” and defending this bullshit. Finally someone gets it.
I never thought I would be watching Bigfry's angry rambling in the middle of a hurricane 😅
Love from Puerto Rico ❤
Most realistic tactical shooter out there a true game that exposes a hard truth about war someone’s always gonna be at a disadvantage usually the person with less money regardless of the battle they are facing more money means better equipped not always better experienced so keep that in mind in your raids boys still gonna play still easy to play without paying for anything
Looks like eft has some “x” ing to do XD
Wow a subsidiary company to tencent a Chinese based company being greedy nooo way 😂😂😂 sorry but I mean it's a stereotype for a reason
tencent owns half the gaming market good sir
@@cheyhey2170 Okay?
As if US companies arent just as greedy, they are just better at hiding it.
Its not, you can get stupidly rich going in with an hand gun once and then buy a full top notch kit, and it will still take less than what it would take to enter a game in tarkov
I’ve been playing every day since it came out… never had an issue with players who are paying to win. You can easily make money by going in with the bare minimum
@@rupertpowell4368 exactly
Tf is this comment 💀
@@xano7858 you can't understand what?
like honestly not paying makes the game more fun, i literally give no shits abt ppl having good gear but then again they still going to lose it cus skill issue
Great vid. Also all i could see was timthetatman with the little timmy reference hahaha.
I think you have some good points. Me personally, I don't mind but only under certain confines.
You touched on it early on, how us mobile gamers just grow used to the P2W aspect. Something arena breakout does it, as I'm sure you've seen, separate the game play into tiers. Tac Ops, lockdown and forbidden zone. All requires a higher level of gear than the next. What I've noticed though is that the game itself operates a sliding scale for your match making between tiers. What I mean to say is, if you go into tac ops and run a decked out F2000 with T5 gear, then that's who you'll probably be matched with. Knowing all of that means that, so what if have the gear, you are gonna lose it quick as heck. I personally believe the devs have perfected this because certainly people have used money to buy the thermal scope. However I've NEVER been killed by it. I'm an S1 player with no balls and play pretty cheap most of the time.
Second to note. Look at COD mobile. Unless you consider paying for a once a season new weapon battle pass release a leg up, you can't buy skill there. Unfortunately look at how spammy their eco system is with the skins. That's the alternative. I don't like that. So I think they are going perfect!
See I think you’re incorrect that people are bending over backwards defending that this monetization is perfectly fine. But there are people, myself included, that are saying that it’s not this massive inferno of a problem that people like you make it out to be. It’s more like a small stove fire.
Your main argument this entire video was basically “it’s not fair that I have to grind my gear, but this person can spend money and get the same gear I worked for”. You said something to that nature multiple times in this video which tells me that’s your true pain-point with this, not all of the other justifications you give out. Yes you’ll say oh “if” 2 players of equal skill face each other blah blah blah. But your main point of contention is what I mentioned above. THATS the point you reiterated over and over.
You simply don’t like that someone can bypass the hours you grinded with their credit card. So it’s an ego thing. It’s a pride thing.
It's no ego thing. It's a balance thing. You equating everything I said to "just ego things" is exactly the mental gymnastics I'm talking about in the video lol
@@BigfryTV don’t hear me wrong. I’m not saying this monetization is totally fine. I simply don’t think it’s the forest fire it’s made to be.
I played for many hours yesterday, and the night before. Many PvP fights. Not one time did something happen that made me think about it or think that I died because this player spent money. Not once. So my experience has not been put off because the option to buy in game currency is there.
You even said yourself in this video that you played and had a great time. But your chat was blowing up doing internet people things.
So both of us played and had a great time, but what…this looming unseen presence of the “possibility” that I might die to someone that swiped their credit card is going to kill my fun?
Do I play Tarkov like that? Fearing that I’m about to be killed by a player that bought in game currency & kits through RMT? No. Do I even have any clue when I do die to a player that swiped versus a player that didn’t? Nope. So why work myself up about it. It doesn’t REALLY affect my experience. It only affects you as much as you allow it to in your head imo
@@Omygames You explained really nicely and I feel the same way. I wish it wasn't a thing and if they remove it that would be great. But it's not something that kills my enjoyment when I play the game with my friends and definitely not a deal breaker. I never once thought "that guy got me probably used his credit card to buy that gear" after dying cuz it doesn't matter if he grinded or bought it at that moment in combat. I tried Delta Force right before this it was too arcade and I never played Tarkov but I don't know if I wanna pay for a game that's in beta for 7+ years and with the latest $250 incident.
I think I will just keep enjoying this free game until they make "you can buy this gear ONLY with real money" or cause a 'forest fire' but currently it's a fun time even with the stove fire.
@@BigfryTV Not everyone has free time. Why should those who work who wants to play this game not have the right to use their money? Maybe work too so you can have money to buy.
its funny that with this game we can see who plays it and who just read and make a video , if you play the game you will see that there is no need to be buying stuff , tarkov makes you feel the need to buy much more than this game , but superficial guys like you dont even know this right? I will never spend as much as I spended in tarkov in Arena , and I will probably play more arena than tarkov.
yeah , you people just jump in bandwagons.
buy what in Tarkov? you can't even purchase stuff locked behind traders
@@dn8632 just by having a better edition you start with more rep , more stash , more money , weapons etc...
Its not that different , tarkov is worse because you pay a lot for the standart version and the game is designed to make people with this edition buy the upgrade.
I played 3,4 wipes before buying EOD , I know what i'm talking about.
And in arena , at least for now i'm not having much of a trouble playing , I dont need to keep a lot of items in the stash like tarkov oh , i just remembered , tarkov took out the FiR status right? So now we dont need to keep a lot of items anymore?
I need to reevaluate this point.
The only real thing I dont like about arena is not having a small secure container for free , but it is not making much difference like it does in tarkov.
Arena just released and its already more polished than tarkov , gunplay is better , AI is better etc...
Truth about tarkov is that is a company that wants to do less amount of work to have their fanboys defend the game , nikita himself said that in his absolut soft presentation before tarkov release; he even talked about keeping hackers into the game to get more money lol , we all know about that but when the dev itself says stuff like this....
@@Donni_10 in 10 raids i died 3 times and lost everything you consider pay to win which I can't buy with levels 1 traders
honestly, just stop expecting a game to not be monetized to this extent at this point when it's free to play. i'm sure most people will be able to enjoy the game just fine either way
Yeah. I literally stopped caring about the game being monetized. I just hope they make an enjoyable game which Arena Breakout Mobile did. I had fun with friends and didn't care about thems lootbugs running around with T5 and dies to us fucking around
Wait a second. it’s my credit card that I just cut a line of blow with!
Skins: OK. If people want to play dressup with dolls, go ahead. Gear: Hell no.
and we all kept saying "this will bring tarkov to its knees" and "AAA studios are crying" 😂
On the bright side it’ll reduce RMT, why buy from a sketchy website when it’s built in? And it doesn’t reduce the value of loot, if anything stealing a good kit from someone who sucks at the game that they bought with real money sounds fun.
"on the bright side" what bright side? games are dead forever because publishers want to appease their shareholders and the playerbase are the ones who suffer in the end
@@mzmzmzmzmzmzmzmzmzmzmzmzmzmz they quite simply arent. just stop playing bad games. video games were always underground from the start. it used to be not socially acceptable to be a gamer. plenty of real video games exist and come out all the time. they just arent aaa video games. because those arent video games. they are bullshit.
@@mzmzmzmzmzmzmzmzmzmzmzmzmzmz it is a bright side? EFT has INSANE RMT issues.
100% agree with they monetization. it's a way to compete with cheat developers. if you're a fucking loser give them money...
"real life is pay to win so its ok" must be the most bs argument I heard yet
People said the exact same things about Gray Zone Warfare when I complained about paying 100 dollars for a better starting stash and shit like that, just like Tarkov, but people said it wasn't p2w. Game's dead now. I swear some of the ExtShooter fanbase is just braindead because they want something to replace Tarkov so bad they'll get rammed up the ass for it by any developer.
"Pay-2-Grind-Less" is the dumbest fucking term I've ever heard.
Pay 2 Grind less is how loads of mtx have worked in the past and will work in the future.
And let's be real now, Gray Zone would even be a good game if you like insertion styled games like that - well, if it literally wasn't unplayable and the quests weren't MMORPG styled quests that just absolutely don't fit into the game for that matter.
Still hate it that I can't refund it because it ran for longer than the refund window goes and then just kept crashing my PC suddenly with lags after the forceful restart that only got fixed with another restart - and yes, that's literally on the games level, nothing else can recreate it except for that game and nothing is broken. Now Im stuck with a game that I technically do like (same as my group) but is unplayable due to varying reasons for each one of us with the issues for all of us funnily enough started around the same time.
@@Unknown_Genius I played it for 2 hours and refunded it because IMO it was quite shit. But the bigger thing that irked me was people saying "at least you don't have to pay 200 dollars to play the game" completely skipping over the fact that it was 100 dollars anyway just like EOD was and Gray Zone already made several mistakes that Tarkov did.
@@Variapolis Yeah, how people acted about it was insane honestly.
I never liked tarkov to begin with, we primarily were looking for something more PvE styled with actual insertions from a base in that area of games, so theres not that much else honestly.
But yeah, since it doesnt really work, there's also just no way to not regret the purchase, as not being able to play it due to the technical issues they fully ignored all the time is just a full no go.
So I am not a big fan of P2W really. But think of it this way.
You get to be a content creator and spend a lot of time playing, you get gear and funds by doing so.
The regular working class players, who have earned what you would call "disposable income" who have earned that from their job have every right to buy what they want.
Dont blame someone who has disposable income, not their fault, blame the game devs. And dont forget, this is a free to play game, and its a company, so they need to make money...
It literally breaks the whole point of the game, which is to fear losing your gear, and grind to get it. The whole economy is gonna be janked from people selling stuff they bought with real money. Its like tarkov, with sanctioned real money transactions.
I suppose it depends on if you can trade items you buy or not
If they buy gears with real money they still have to finish a raid before they can sell it on the market.
1. you have to actually complete a raid to sell items you buy from anywhere
2. they heavily control the amount of each item in the in game market and so control the price, for example, armour wears out quite quickly and not many high tier armours can be got from contacts. If theirs too few, they add more that day, too many and they don't add as much
@@BazingusBoi 3. There are mobile style missions that are beyond easy and give you tons of money ruining the games economy
Does not break "whole point" of the game lmao
You can get everything for FREE
FREE you hear me ?
The only thing that buying Koens is really good for is just to buy keys and nothing else.
And you can still get the keys for free 😅
Yall can moan about it all day but here’s the thing, this game I think, was intended to be a game like tarkov for people who enjoy gaming slightly competitively but who also work full time jobs who don’t have the time to grind multiple hours a day. I like it because I can jump right in and get some decent guns and play with my friends after work. If you’re more of a grinder and have the extra time then yeah definitely this isn’t for you.
We're all with you brother, let's just all hop in Once Human
Wow, its like tarkov also doesn't have the ability to buy shit with real money, oh wait it fucking does and is way worse i mean ever heard of the "unheard edition" to that shitty hacked game? That gives you a massive advantage?
Tarkov killer?
Yeah... Right. :D