My initial thoughts on the R2 8 Cummins transplant - bit of a ramble - but plan ahead!
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Cummins R2.8, ISF2.8 Engine Problems and Reliability
The ISF2.8 is built and assembled in China. Cummins says what the ISF2.8 engine has 300,000 miles (500,000 km) longevity. But in reality, this engine has a terrible reputation on the Asian market because of low-quality assembling and materials. The most common failure of this engine is a quick wearing of cylinder walls. As a result, increased oil consumption. The next problem is bad connecting rod bearings damaging a crankshaft. Besides that, the engine easily overheats. There is a high risk of coolant penetration inside cylinders. The list goes on and on. The ISF 2.8 engine meets Euro 3, Euro 4 emission standards, depending on modifications.
The R2.8 is built in the Cummins factory in Columbus, Indiana (500 engines in 2017) and carries a 90-day warranty only. They use engine blocks machined at Cummins’s Chinese plant. The crate R2.8 engine meets EPA’s Tier 0 (LDT 1 and 2) and Tier 1 emissions standards. In this case, it is suitable only for vehicles produced until 1999.
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The R2.8 is made in Indiana USA, the older ISF 2.8 is asian made. big difference
R2.8 was always built in China
This was a great video for me Mike. You've managed to convince me to keep my 300tdi. I live in the UK Midlands so bits are not a problem. Thanks again Mike.
That is the issue - I have to import everything here and gets expensive
Hi pal, I have done an engine conversion in a rover metro using the vvc k series engine, and yeah I do agree with everything you said in this video. Practically my conversion was plug in play, Only difference was the engine loom had to be altered to run with the metro car loom. But the thing with that conversion, was the information, there was a hell of a lot of it conflicting. " you need to this, you need to do that, you need X,Y,Z, it wont line up correctly etc" Which starts getting silly if you start buying bits that you don't even need! This happened to me, and in the end me and my dad decided to it our own way. We found out that everything just bolted in, and lined up just like the replacement unit. People kept tight lipped on the wiring side of things, a couple of people did the wiring for you, again you had to pay. I found out later from a racing driver that had built a vvc metro, that there was only 6 earths to swop over on the donor loom to work with the main car loom. Which would have been a five min job to do! But the spending doesn't stop there though, you have to price up items that may go wrong too, I must have spent well over 20k on a conversion that people said all in for 5k! Buying twice, engine wise ( one was dud a long with a badly converted loom) then the cost of buying replacement parts and getting hold of replacement parts. The head gasket cost me over 1k to do, and that was me doing it. So when you decide to do a conversion, make sure there is proper support, parts are ready and easy to get hold of, and you are willing to stick with it, no matter what happens. Sometimes the price out weighs the enjoyment of the car, which happened to me, It came a money pit in the end, but I did have some enjoyment out of it, but not as much as I should have, but that boils done to buying twice and bad information. Would I go through it all again with a make of car? I am not sure if i could sadly. My last piece of advice is to try and see a converted car in person ( good one) and ask questions.
I have 2015 2.8 isf. 120,000k
Never uses coolant or overheats. Zero oil burn between services. No modifications from factory.
Cummins...yr grandkids will be driving this after you have gone ❤️
Thank you for the video, I have been considering doing this exact thing but am doing the research. I live in the States and a company in New Mexico who does Rover restorations are charging about $25,000 USD for the conversion on Discoverys and Range Rovers. Cummins used them as a Beta tester on installations. I have located a Defender 90 in pretty good condition, with a rebuilt 300 TDI ) miles on it for the same price here. I'm not sure this information is of use to anyone but thought I would share. Rover parts are not that difficult to find, of course, I live just south of the Canadian border.
I heard through the grape vine the 2.8 Cummins is too strong for the R380 box - even Ashcroft boxes
Those horses can be locked in by having a bloody gate! 😄 Good review, good knowledge, good discussion.
Yes! Thank you!
I,m glad that I put an 200Tdi in my 110 15 years ago, never had any big problems, but there again I don't make any big demands so a 200 suits me down to the ground. If people thought things through like you are doing regarding fitting an optional engine, there wouldn't be so many abandoned projects knocking about. You must think of your own words and advice that you gave last year,--- KEEP TO BOG STANDARD ---- Keep the videos coming Mike, they are so valuable as they can stop people making mistakes that could cost them a lot of money. Best wishes from Yorkshire Rob.
Thanks Rob - I am seriously looking at a GMC V6 as I can pick one up locally for $200 - with gearbox! They are a good strong motor
That sounds like a good option, if there are plenty about and at the right price, any extra effort making it fit could be worth the effort. I am looking forward to see how this project go's. Good luck with it Mike.
Mike, this video is spot on. I am considering alternative engines to replace my 2.5td. Your points are well thought out and realistic. This is helping me out greatly. I am eagerly awaiting the upcoming videos on this topic.
I think I am going to try a GMC 4.3 Vortec engine - cheap as chips here and a bullet proof - petrol I know, but it will be usable in winter
How is a GMC 4.3 Vortec for adapters and needed customization to mounts and trans compatibility?@@BritannicaRestorations
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300tdi on a LT77 in a LHD works fine. I used Steve Parkers set and though meant for RHD it fitted with some small adjustments. So I'm happy with my 300tdi Ninety.
You are right about K an N air filters they work with oil on them and bugger up air flow meters
I think it's time you made a trip home to visit the Queen, and cram an ocean-going container with every 300tdi you can lay your hands on. It will always be THE engine for old Landys, and rebuilding them for customers will keep you busy and profitable well into your old age. Keep out of Ireland though; those are for me!
Hi Mike, When I bought my first RRC some thirty years ago It was a 1970 fitted with a York six diesel ( very bad starting in winter /not too good in summer ) I changed it for a Perkins 3ltr Good stating loads of power ( very noisy ) the main problem with both of these set ups was getting every day spares, I would go fords for the engine, The question would always be the same what van is it in ? Oh they don't list a RRC in my book !!! the same with Perkins, Back in those days I ran my own lorry so had a few contacts in the diesel world but still a nightmare, Then I fitted a VM 2.5 ex factory all the parts were there to be had and they fit, It's now in it's 2nd RRC and 300,000 miles it's due to be replaced with a ( yes you already know ) 300 TDI, One final point is what happens when you sell it on , Do you write a small book on what came from where.
Looking forward to the RRC 300tdi you are going to do, You lead I'll follow I know I'll be in safe foot steps.
I agree- I have done many conversions and spares are an issue and for an import - $$$$$$
Speaking from experience, having done around 8 engine swaps on American, Asian stuff. If you don't get most of it for free it's not worth it. As a hobby guy, with all the tools, the know how, and some financial resources I can tell you you either get so sick of it by the time you are done or you run into a road block that's really tough to get around. The resale value is usually about zero as well. With that said, I have a D1 with a 300TDI that I love. If I was going to do another one I would use a late model Toyota 4 cyl gas motor, trans and Tcase and factory Toyota electrics.
I was excited to hear of the Cummins project, but then I did the same research you did. Hmmm. An old Land Rover mechanic with decades of experience once said "keep 'em stock" and avoid glitzy mods that make for trouble. *That guy was YOU, Mike!* That being said, if you were to make patterns of all the pieces you have to fabricate, perhaps you could recoup the cost by selling a complete "swap in a box" for people with more money than skill. Otherwise, I just don't see it worth your time and investment -- though we'd all enjoy watch you sort through the challenges...
Yeap - and the Cummins is not the motor for me - I am now looking at a GMC V6 petrol - cheap and bullet proof
Interesting Mike, I think keeping things standard is always good all round, BUT, how many folks have tired 200/300's lurking under the bonnet and would welcome a more modern unit (and ponies back in the stable ;-) If this R2.8 engine turns out to be a good'un and you put a pukka kit together you may well flog quite a few, not to mention fitting, lots of if's though. Cheers Wayne
I don't think it is going to happen Wayne - been studying it this weekend - not cost effective
I can hear the Yorkshire man in your voice when you are talking about spending money ,almost,nearly,not quite,I’ll look into it a bit more .😜
got that right!
300 Tdi is a good motor, keep up maintenance and you will get a good lifetime out of them. Good power to economy and well suited to R380/Lt230. Timing belt is the Achilles heal and really not that hard….
I run a 2.25 diesel, slow and horrible to some, ideal for me. I do not measure it in horses, i measure it in my little ponies. It still does 1000kg loads and 2000kg trailer loads hauling scrap, no turbo needed to get extra horses.
Sir, I have a question. What kind of engine do you recommend for a Defender 110 in North America? I was considering the R2.8, but im pondering different ideas. I even considered an LS3. Just a thought though.
I am looking at the GMC 4.3 Vortec - pretty cheap - bullet proof and I can pick one up locally - and will start in winter!
M57?
Ayup there mike greetings from sunny blighty, stick with the 300TDI.I have one fitted in my series 2 onto a LT76 gearbox with overdrive, it all fitted in just,,,,even managed to keep the proper front panel with headlights in.It has the defender rad and intercooler fitted.The gearbox and engine bolt straight together with no adapter plates just with a couple of studs removed.looks bog standard from outside and goes like a train... ATB Andy.
As you know I am in Canada and 300Tdi here is scarce and not all that good in the cold - I need a motor that is local, and petrol, so I got me v6 GM engine and box to go in
i have got both a D1 300tdi and a chinese Foton , that little Cummins is the same engine Foton motors use in their utes and a range of trucks sold here in australia, you can see the factory video here on youtube, look for foton cummins engine plant, mines been reliable and cheap, think the engines are sent to usa in parts and reasembled by Cummins,something to do with the usa/china dispute
hey mike, just stumbled on your channel.what a great video.i was looking at the 2.8 and after looking at this video, im not buying one. i have managed to pick up a 1990 RRC its rust free and i live in costa rica.love the RRC dont like the Gas milage...lol.sorry petrol. ive been in north america for too long. now im back to sqr one. what engine can i put in this RRC...then i read your posts and found out that you are doing one with a 300 tdi. do you have any info on this yet? im super interested.
A 300Tdi 5 speed out of a Discovery 1 would be a good choice
Do not put a 300Tdi to the V8 auto box - very poor performance
@@BritannicaRestorations are you in canada mike?
Where I'm at State side the cheapest I have seen being able to source a TDi motor is around 3k for a non reman and 8k for a reman. So as a third option I'm planning out a kit to install a 4.3L Vortec V6. The Costs of rebuilding a rover V8 from top liners to new bearings and redo the transmission (it needs a rebuild as well). The Vortec weighs close to the TDI, makes more power then a 4.6L and used cheaper fuel 87 vs Diesel or 93, and spares everywhere. The R2.8 is a novelty motor for hobbyists.
ME TOO! I can pick up a 4.3 locally with tranny for $200- worth a go !
similar MPG as the Cummins so no big savings there --- and it starts in winter!
@@BritannicaRestorations This person on TH-cam did a LR Series II 109 and has a 23 part video series on how he installed a TBI 4.3l and nv3550 transmission, maybe it will give you some ideas. Cheers and good luck. th-cam.com/play/PLMLXTZN5ksv4IDx8mgUwpNMWrTpNnll1-.html
Try paying for Landrover spares from paddocks and getting them sent to Australia. After living in Leicester the price difference is astronomical.
Sometimes cheaper to move Australia to the UK
@@BritannicaRestorations I wish I could. The people are alot better in the u.k ;)
Another Leicester lad
@@rogerwileman9965 oi oiiiii son
I've got the 300tdi but if your doing a project video please fit either a 2.8 tgv or Mercedes oM606 from the e300. The bodies fall to pieces on the Mercedes and fail the MOT, the engine can be converted to mechanical injection pump to keep the electrickery to a minimum and the power that is attainable from a reasonably stock engine is really good. Take a look at dpuk or diesel pump UK, there are a few suppliers of mounts and adaptors Inc gazfab.
the HD2.8 is discontinued
@@BritannicaRestorations Still available as a short or full engine in the UK from mdengineering. co. uk
Question? Does the chevy small block, bolt into a land-rover gearbox, like them overfinch range rovers?
First time I have been asked -I know you can fit the LS engine
Why not just a5.9 6BT? A quick reckons these put out 161hp so no huge gain compared to a 6bt??
Toyota 1HD-T or 1HD-FT. super smooth six cylinder. Lot's of guys have done it before in the Defender.
Part widely available. Reliable and buckets of torque.
looking at a GMC 4.3 vortec - bullet proof and I can find one locally with 5 speed for $200! ( and starts in winter)
@@BritannicaRestorations Oh sounds good, I have my doubts about the Cummins since it is made in China.
I watch AvE a lot and he shows us the inside of things made in China, they are always covered in a factory metal dust.
Not good for an internal combustion engine.
Looking forward to the coming videos.
@@BritannicaRestorations 1HD might be a lil long eh? What about mercedes OM605/606? those engines are indestructible as well.
Hey mike there was a chap in riverport rovers club. Towards the end of the channel he had a few episodes dropped in chev v6 with basic throttle injection. Perhaps that would be the go.
Try searching in youtube search bar 4.3 chev into series rover part 1. I think the guy will be selling the rover anyway and it had air suspension on it. The chap has a new channel now called Geordie travels
Thanks Matt I will check that out- Just saw a complete GMC Jimmy for $500 with free rust - Ideal donor vehicle
Hi
I’ve been watching very much all your films as I’m in the prices of sourcing a defender to play out in lol now I’ve been to my local main dealer and they have a 2.2 very clean car but I’m not sure on the ford engine as when I had that engine in my TX2 taxi well it was a big fail your thoughts please
Just as a foot note the Nisan engine that was in my TX1 taxi was ace in fact my mate has one still passing emissions at 700 k miles
To be honest I have not seen the puma engine so I cannot comment
Mike
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So the 2.2 ford duro torque engine is the puma engine ?
How about finding a salvage late td5 disco
And take the engine box ECUs etc and fitting that
And it can be chipped
Agreed. My td5 has a stage 2 tune from Storm Tuning and it absolutely flies. It spins all 4 wheels from a standing start of you want, and that's through an automatic transmission.
Just go with the Isuzu 4BD1T. Job done. Super reliable and the right size for the Defender.
I have one in my 130 - pretty good reliability - not a fantastic starter in the cold, and not so good on fuel around town
Problem is these engines are 35 + years old - hard to find here
@@BritannicaRestorations You dont have 4jj1 and 4jk1 in Canada too right?
great topic Mike. Ive had the international 2.8 and would never do that again. I am dead set on a 2.8 Cummins for my next conversion and interested to hear what you learn. several US shops working out full kits for Defender installs
Hold on ! I have a change of plans - I think the 2.8 needs time to prove itself
New thoughts just posted
Look into the 2.8 kit. Stroker kit from Brazil. Put it in with no adapters.
Or import a Ranger 2.8 Powerstroke or 3.0 from the ranger.
Great job, Mike, keep it Land Rover,
Thanks, will do!
That’s not to say it can’t be done, just get out the check book. There are some nice installation and well done, but that takes time and money!
The problem I have with all this is sticking a higher HP (and torque) engine into a drive train designed for less HP. If you were doing a frame- up restoration where you built a compelete drive train (engine/transmission/differentials/drive shafts/axels) matched to the engine, I might consider this Cummins. I suspect if there were enough intrest in the UK for this engine it might be sold directly through an importer and therefore reduc/eliminate shipping costs??
Im thinking about putting the cummins 300hp 4.5 and 6l80e in my rrc . $16,000 aus for the engine alone . They do adaptors to put a 4l80e behind so a bit of fudging the 6l80e can go in . They make adaptors from online gearboxes to mate a 6l80e to lt230 .
Yeah my mate bought a brand new foton tunland in australia had the cummins engine in it believe its the same engine.. yeah piece of grap bottom end went under 20000 klms..
Those cummins engine are not assembled in the US, reason why quality suffered. Also, it was mass produced in China so.....
I've got a SL35 Mazda/Perkins in mine. 3.5L. really solid engine. But spares are expensive and rare in the UK.
me too ;0)
Worthless without spares.
I reason that if my 300 ever gives up the ghost I'd replace it with a td5 or a bmw m52, both easily sourced (the td5 moreso) and not massively difficult for a specialist
I would fit an M57 if there were over here
Hi mike do you know anything about putting the 3.2 Ford ranger engine in the later puma defender , thinking of having mine done
Sorry Lee - we have not got the Puma here in Canada
Lee did you do it in the end.
I think that'd be an amazing powerhouse
Have a look at Cummins 6BT conversions. im looking at dropping one into a Disco 2. there are a handful already done amd atleast 1 disco 2 on youtube with a 4BT and loads of defenders with 6BT's
Those old 6bt are plentiful in USA Canada the 4bt are hard to find
But great engines.
Chinese!!! That killed it there and then.
Yeap - -read the link in my new video
200tdi is pretty great, sounds like a tractor but oh well :), Sadly mine has to come out from my series 3 conversion, seems she has thrown a bearing :( so out and apart to see what happened then back together again :(
Best of luck!
Get the lion kit for the 300TDI.
Here in Brazil, because Ford bought Land Rover, they used the 300TDI 2.5 diesel to design their own engine. They came up with the 2.8 Powerstroke.
Só, bore out the cylinders a bit, buy the 2.8 Powerstroke crank, rods, and pistons, and then when you put it back in your Defender it’s plug and play. No adaptors, nada!!!!!!
When my engine blows, I’m putting in the 2.8 kit.
I Will still have to get a 300tdi and the parts for the 2.8 are expensive
Britannica Restorations Ltd yes, but in the US under $500 (maybe more) the stuff arrives without taxes. Britcar does well. Use Royal Mail and it’s even cheaper.
Any Rover parts place in the US is charging 800% on their parts.
Your time is worth much more...rebuild the 300TDI and then don’t adapt anything.
The kit is made here in Brazil, then shipped to the U.K., then market up. You could buy directly from Brazil.
I just bought a full vehicle - 2005 GMC Jimmy 5 speed 4x4 for C$800 - V6 petrol 285 bhp and 300ft lbs of torque
I am thinking of the domestic market for a practical engine transplant - something that starts at -30c and I do not have to import, and a bullet proof motor
I asked Ashcroft if they could separate the T-Case gear for the part time 4x4 kit because I can find the locking hubs here in Brazil AVM. They said they couldn’t. They wanted to sell me the whole kit for almost £300 plus shipping plus import taxes. This would be nearly £600 when all is said in done.
I did my research and what they didn’t tell me was that their kit is made in Brazil. They would have let me buy something from them and pay three times as much and have the hassle of importation and such só they could make a buck. I like their stuff, but his kind of put me off.
Anyway, I can get the complete kit here for £133!!!
I want this kit do get rid of the stupid slack in the drivetrain.
A mechanic in Brasilia has done 30+ 2.5 to 2.8 kits. Happy customers and no problems. Lots more torque.
Add ported head from U.K., Take out the first muffler, add Boost Pin and Boost Ring, and my guess is 145-165 hp.
Again, no adapters.
But I understand if you don’t already have a 300TDI to work with.
4BT cummins? 4BT Isuzu?
But then there is linkage, and all sorts of issues.
Maybe a 5,7 Chevy with 700R4 trans, B&m shifter. Get Mid 90s fuel injected block and put a carburetor on it with edelbrock performer intake. 600cfm carb.
With the hearing, the overdrive, and the defender being light, it would drive better than any Landy V8 and be cheep to fix. 300,000 Miles out of the fuel injected motors because they are machines better. No oil leaks, serpentine drive, etc. no timing belt, or spendy pump. I bet you’d get 20mpg on the highway.
If you’d consider the 2.8 I could try and find the factory that produces the crank and pistons.
You could get a 2.8 ranger diesel from Mexico. They are the same block, just mounting power steering lines and accessories are different.
Source an. Engine in uk. Take a 2 week holiday rebuild whilst on holiday and ship a good engine over.
Thats what I would do Paul. There are plenty of spares over here, new/old. Ship an engine out as spares and rebuild in Canada. I would even buy a new head just to be on the safe side. Your idea makes sense to me Paul the only problem is the V.A.T @ 20% which might not be payable over here on second hand stuff, so rebore and regrind in Canada. Good luck from Lancashire Rob.
Mike, How much does that Cummins engine weigh...The 4Bt and 6 Bt are much heavier than comparable engines...and have you seen English chap who has the Cummins conversion into a 110(I think) on youtube..?? If you go ahead with this I will be very interested...lots to consider...
Cummins 228kg/503 lbs
I have gone off the Cummins for a lot of reason - mainly costs
I just bought a complete 2005 GM Jimmy 5 speed 4 x4 with 4.3 V6 in for $800
Just trying to do the maths - power is similar, but costs are dramatically different
4Bt = 728 lbs 6Bt = 1100 lbs
V6 4.2 weight = 425 lbs
Yep, just like what 'Chazni Bond' said. lol.
didnt cummins start using common rail back with the 24v 5.9?
Yes I had one - went well
Hi there
I live in South Africa and drive a 300tdi. The problem we have with the tdi, is fuel. Here the tdi only runs on high sulphur, 500 ppm (particles per million), diesel. I tried running it on low sulphur diesel, the same the common rail engines run on, and seized my diesel pump and injectors after 2 years, as the sulphur in the fuel lubricates the (Bosch) diesel pump. The problem now is that 500ppm diesel is being phased out. What other tdi owners have been doing is to add 2 stroke oil with the diesel (at a ratio of 200:1). This is an inconvenience however. So what do I do? Change to a Td5 or Puma? Both will also be relative easy to fit.
Regards
When I change my fuel filters I fill them with red ATF and it really helps lube the pump an injectors - maybe add a bit every time you fill up - try it!
@@BritannicaRestorations i can't believe Land Rover or "after market manufacturers" hasn't addressed this issue by releasing an updated fuel system suited for low sulphur diesel.
Thank you for the feedback.
Well the 300 tdi is over 25 years old now
Either TD5 it or stick with a tuned 300tdi. Anything else will end up costing twice what you initially budget.
I am thinking differently now - I am looking at the GMC 4.3 V6 petrol - cheap as chips and bullet proof - and I can pick one up locally for $200 with 5 speed and transfer box
Been quite a few fitted in place of the V8 in RR's here
I've looked into this extensively out here in BC. Axis Industries have a kit for the install. Wait for it..... components only 40k USD!! Absolutely not for the faint hearted!
Sit down and work out how many km you have to do to get any payback - I did it with the HS2.8 - you needed to drive 200,000 km!
I’m new to this and am absolutely intrigued by the concept. But I wonder if someone could clear up one thing for me... the 300tdi being discussed, is this a Mercedes 300 TDI or something else? I’m guessing he’s talking about the old Benz inline six tdi, or he’s talking about a Land Rover 300tdi (which I know nothing about sadly. We don’t have them in America so I’ve never seen one). I really enjoy diesels though and am sad we have few choices for them over here.
it is a Land Rover 300Tdi
Britannica Restorations Ltd: thanks!
just a thought .. are these engines brand new or have they already been fitted into any American pick-up's ??
They're brand new, but available only as a 'crate' motor. Not used in any production vehicle sold in N. America or Europe. I believe they're used in some vehicles in Australia but it might be configured differently.
@@davidwoods80.. aah thanks,
The 2.8 is already installed in many many jeeps as an aftermarket conversion. Search TH-cam for R2.8 Underwater or Ultimate Adventure 2018 to see several that have been installed in jeeps being beat on fairly severely. One in an RRC although most of the drivetrain was swapped. I have an 86 110 with the 2.5NA and a Cummins in the crate ready to go in. I also went stumpy R380 and have the bell housing talked about. Reason being is I don't want to spend even more on new driveshafts etc because the LT230 would move. With the stumpy, the driveline is stock from R380 back swapping from my LT77. I agree with a lot said in this video. Costs can grow quick if you don't pay attention.
The 2.8s haven't been particularly good in NZ, would stick with the tried and true 300TDI for now.
So I heard
If it were me I would look for the ISB 170 4 cylinder 3.9. Cummins Common Rail engine is common rail engine quieter quieter more powerful 170HP/420 torque much quieter then the previous version but electronically controlled
I would keep it simple, get a 300 Tdi lump for your customer job and rebuild it if needed. That way you don't end up with your own pick-up being off the road for weeks, or months trying to fit a engine that has no common parts to match the Landy. I was thinking, does the Cummins need an ECU plus wiring etc, could be a real can of worms to interface that with the Land Rover wiring.
the Cummins is a stand alone kit - comes with all the wiring, but alarm bells are ringing!
Why not make a 2.8 300tdi with parts from Brazil from the international 2.8?
Discontinued and when it was available it was £10,000 for the kit
It’s only £1800 for the kit in the uk form motor diesel engineering and the kit is still for sale in Brazil I believe or how else are they selling them in the uk I don’t think a full motor is available
@@dannydriver7737 Yes, no full motors, but I still need a 300 tdi to fit the kit too
But the HS was touted as saying the spares are the same as a 300 Tdi - not really
Ah yes that’s a issue, however is there no ford rangers with that engine in? I can’t remember the years from or too that they came in and It’s only the crank rods and pistons that are different to the 300 I’ve built a few and there really good engines and part are the same/ interchangeable ie cam,head and seals the pumps can supply the fuel no issues and the injectors are okay too
@@dannydriver7737 The Ranger was only in Brazil- I have heard of them but not seen one - they were also fitted to some Indian trucks
The HS were not EPA approved so only a few made it to the US as 'Off road use only'
I suspect shipping costs and parts availability are very different, powerful variables dependant upon where you are in the world. It would have to be a very easy conversion, reliable and very cheap new engine to beat the cost/hassle/reliability factors that are available if you are here in the UK surrounded by cheap running donor 300tdi vehicles. And if you want more power then MD Engineering sell upgrade kits to HS2.8 std. And if you want something special then Ashcroft are nothing but a mile away for a "moowing cow" auto conversion! I will stick to doing Landy based conversions for a while yet. I would argue that Real K and N air filters are still king of air filters for both performance and efficiency but I do concede they do nothing for reducing noise. Does the "Guesstimate" costs put this into a non starter situation for you?
It's not going to happen! Too expensive for an engine that could be problems
This is not a concours vehicle I want it to be practical
I need a motor that is going to be obtainable in Canada, reliable and cheap - I am now looking at GMC V6 Vortec 4.3 petrol
Just saw one locally advertised, engine, harness, ECU, 5 speed box and transfer case - $200!
I just posted a video with my thoughts
As someone once said to me "when I was young, everything was black and white. Now I'm older, all I can see are shades of grey". Sounds like what we're all seeing here with this video!
Stick around - it gets worse!
I think some time ago there were Defenders with factory BMW M52 engines made for South African market with bell housing for R380 gearbox - (FTC4461). Maybe it would fit for some diesel BMW engine... ?
Here I've found some more info about using it with bmw diesel engine.
www.defendersource.com/forum/f9/nas-defender-r380-with-bmw-diesel-input-shaft-1-2-lt230-62421.html
problem is I have to import it - there are only the M5 with diesel here in Canada
Advanced Adapters - www.advanceadapters.com/ works well with the R2.8
My 300tdi definitely feeling like it's only got about 80-90hp, I'm sure quite a few horses have left the stable.. 😁
Explains why my mTDI vw using a 300tdi discovery pump.
Makes just about that!
motor and diesel or jake wright i'd look at the 2.8 international
the 2.8 is now discontinued
@@BritannicaRestorations blow it!
I believe there is a 2.8 tdgv engine almost the same as 300 tdi but bigger. Maybe you can confirm this
Discontinued - M&D in the UK are making 300Tdi into these using available spares
It's the same size and fits well!
VM Motori made a engine for the Defender
robert hesse Don’t even think about the VM Motori engines they are absolute rubbish throwaway engines. Ask any London Taxi driver.
Yeap - lot's of guys this side who imported RR's with the VM quickly put a 300 Tdi kit in
great video. 300 tdi is a good engine. when you need more power go for the 2.8 international.
Discontinued
The isuzu 4bd1t if you can get it
The 2.8 IFS engine is a good engine has been in the UK for a while
From compressors to agricultural sprayers which use a landrover auto box from Ashcroft which doesn't withstand the torque
They are dry liners and no problems with water seepage
The oil coolers are on the right hand of the engine looking at the front and come in various sizes
The cat that comes with the engine would not have to be used as a nox sensor isn't fitted
But you can spec it up that the after treatment is tier 4 ad blue
For people that are interested. Some basic info for R2.8s in Defenders nas-row.com/index.php?forums/cummins-isf2-8-engine-conversions.18/
Get a 300tdi dropped off I will strip it and chuck it in a crate for you as that is just mental money for an engine I would be happy to do that for you won't take long
get a td5 to go in
LS swap ?
Don’t they put Isuzu engines in at the Land Rover factory in Australia for the military? They have those Cummings in Fotun pick ups in NZ and have a good reputation, it is in a modern vehicle and not a conversion mind you but as you say it’s about the money! The time you have done the conversion you could have bought two Fotun utes NEW !,!
Yes they did in the 80's- I have one in my 130 that came out of a GMC cab forward - good strong motor but heavy -and very hard to find here
That's right- someone on here mentioned C$40,000 - I can get a brand new GMC Terrain for $29,000
Yes the Isuzu 4BD1T went into Perentie 6X6, nice strong engine and very common in OZ.
Can be found in a lot of older bread vans and such, not as rare as has been made out in both the UK and US.
With my experience with the 2.8 you couldn’t give me one even if you did I’d still look for something else to go in there
Raymond - would you mind letting us know what issues you had?
Mike
Hi. We had a lot of crankshaft issues A LOT of spun bearings both main and big end and had a huge amount of issues with chewing out thrust bearings. I have worked on a few cummins foton engine plant made engines and they’re 50/50 they make a great NT series or 6BT but the 2.8 litre ISF was not very well built or durable sometimes they would fail on the start up and they were never in the foton vehicle always on a stationary pump or generator so not a lot of fluctuating loads ect. I believe myself it’s a manufacturing fault or poor materials as their is another engine I’ve seen (new model) and every time it needed a valve set it needed a cam shaft and looked as though some home hobby engineer had made the camshaft in his back shed. All that said I love cummins usually very reliable but not keen on these little 2.8litre ISF engines. Would you consider a 6BT or to big?
*"Defender Engine swap opinions are like a*$holes. Everyone has one."*
- Harry Callahan sort of.
Blimey, spent the whole video talking yourself out of it.
Depends on what you are planning to do with the knowledge you gain from the conversion? Are you looking at it as a hobby and this is all $$$ out of your bin for some wheeling or are you thinking about making it an R&D test bed for selling fitting kits?
I can only guess that you're just researching from the next vid where you speak of a V6 petrol with box for $1700 in FL.
I was looking at an M57 with ZF 6S37D manual box coupled to an LT230 divorced, insanely low first gear and nice gears that would be similar to an LT77 but would suit taller tyres more as the gears are all slightly lower.
The Cummins is not a good engine to transplant - I have been costing it out this weekend - Going to cost $21,000 Canadian to get here plus the parts needed not including fitting
I bought a complete 2005 GM Jimmy with the 4.3 5 speed manual in for C$800 locally
As there were no M57 here - all the costs are going to be importing an unknown engine and taking a risk - at lest with the GM they are plentiful and very robust - and roughly the same outputs as the 2.8 Cummins - and start at -30c
I would never fit an LT77 if I have the option - too weak - good for a 2.5 NA that is about it - I have a shed full of them here
@@BritannicaRestorations $800 CAD :o sweet, full donor will make your life so much easier and give you a source of other useful parts and the chance to eBay/craigs list the rest as parts to recoup some cash.
I've spent so long mulling over potential transplants in petrol, diesel, in-line and V configurations, at one point I was even looking at a Peugeot 8007 for the PSA Lion 2.7 V6 diesel as a complete donor at a fraction of the cost of a D3 bare engine, looked at the Nissan TD42 6 pot, BMW M52 2.8 petrol as fitted in SA many years ago.
Looks like my Disco will enjoy the 200Tdi and LT77 combo for a while longer as it runs well and I would rather invest in lockers and beefed up axles for the time being, besides, Turners can supply 100% of everything for a rebuild should I fancy it.
I love the way you interact with your audience in the comms, nice to see a creator who appreciates their audience.
I think it is common courtesy to reply to those who take the time to write here
We all have problems with Land Rovers and being here in Canada, there are not that many and parts are hard to come by - everything has to be imported $$$!
So If I can find an affordable conversion that is easy to do and locally sourced then I will put the time in to help people here
A 300Tdi is a good engine but not if something goes wrong miles from home- IF a GM breaks then most garages can fix them, AND they start in winter and will provide good hot water to the heater - now that is a must!
get a 5.9
You should buy the motor & do the install/conversion and enjoy all the coin you'll earn from the youtube vids once you monetise said howto vid. You'll be way in front!
I get C$12 a day average from TH-cam and Google takes 45% of that
Despite having over 500 videos, it would take decades to pay back
So I will let someone else do it and then when these motors are field tested for a long time I may suggest it for a customers job
tam cerbume edemedim konusmasını ama yorumlara bakılırsa ,2.8 sevmeyen cok ama biz kamyonettlet kulkanıyoruz ve iyi sayılır,
Manuel Land Rover şanzımanları için uygun değildir - belki otomatik şanzımanlar için
Bull! Engine made in Indiana USA, that’s Cumins r28.
If your set on a Cummins conversation, i would just go with a 5.9 6 cylinder. Its well proven and its already been done with great results. And by what I hear the MPG is still very respectable.
Just an idea !!?
Too big - I used to have a Dodge with one in - a monster but not practical for a LR
They said a 4BT would be great too, but i don't know if it would. 300Tdi is what most advice, i plan a 300tdi pump on a 19J block.
And that leaves a 300tdi minus a pump. I can crate it as "scrap sample" and ship it out to Canada.
like yourself, not a fan of this engine's past, or of it's current Warranty scheme, as they do not provide warranty in WV (we are based out of) or Texas? Why? Secondly, you are right that there are chinese built units, albeit they want you to believe that it is built in Indiana (if i recall correctly). Cost also makes no sense whatsoever. As it is a 20K+ project before all is said and done, (no we are not installing it behind a 25+ year old gearbox) and with that kind of money you can have vastly superior quality engine's, known "million mile" engine's rather than a promise unit. How's the LS swap going?
They are finding out that the R380 is not suitable for these engines - even new boxes
The LS is coming on - a lot of small issues, but they are not a cheap conversion as you need to source a lot of extra parts!
@@BritannicaRestorations If you run into a snag with the LS, give me a SHOUT Pim @ DCRovers gladly chat over the phone. Let's be honest, the R380 is great, but it does have it's limitations.
The R380 was designed for 380 Nm of torque
Get a good TD5
Do they exist? lol!
looking at a GMC 4.3 Vortex - I can get the whole engine, boxes and wiring for $200 locally!
They fit them her in place of the V8 in the RR
Has an excellent reputation
99% of crate motors don't come with a gearbox!
I believe the Cummins R2.8 is built in Columbus, Indiana, USA and not China
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look at the Isuzu engine with Isuzu gearbox out Isuzu Dmax