This item is part of the reason that I started using the mod that lets you turn off curses ngl. Maze and lost both really don't make the game harder, they just waste time. Really just annoyances for the sake of being annoying. Blind does make the game harder but it does it in a very not-fun way. It removes strategy more than anything, making item choice, shops, deals all complete gambles arbitrarily. I do like XL floors though, those are actually interesting and different challenges that don't just make the game worse. This challenge is what made me realize that. Even with curses disabled the challenge isn't fun, and I've beaten it twice now on my way to a second file completion (for my first file I did it with all the curses and it was hell). Good video, agreed on all counts.
It's basically impossible unless you get a health regen item or two, and stupid-good damage very early. Oh, and pray you don't get an F-you item that tanks your run. I've completed it twice, and I've got round 3 coming up soon- not looking forward to all the deaths/restarts.
I completed Ultra Hard 30 minutes ago after 40+ attempts, but honestly, I enjoyed the challenge greatly. Same goes with Delirium as Tainted Lost. It pushes to the limits your ability to squeeze to most out of your skills and to milk everything on the floor for even the slightest benefit, while counteracting brutal, ruthless limitations. Ultra Hard really did feel like Ultra Hard. Greedier mode with Tainted Lost though... I've done it but what a shitshow. Enemies spawning on top of you is a whole another level.
This might be the first time I've ever heard someone say that enjoyed Ultra Hard. I do gotta agree with Greedier T. Lost, thst is another level of pain in its own right.
I completed Ultra Hard legit 2 times total and it's the most RNG reliant BS I had to deal with. One of those runs got saved while I was in chapter 3 because I found the Satanic Bible inside a crawl space from a rock that exploded due to a champion, like what are the odds??? TH-camr luck maybe? Healing items and decent items are an absolute must and things get in shambles if you don't get one past chapter 2 (which is quite often, that if you managed to survive long enough). If this "challenge" gave the player holy mantle or yum heart by default it'd be way more tolerable imo.
I think my attempts at Ultra Hard were well over 50+. I was sick the day I attempted it which didn’t help but it took me at least part of that day to complete it. Tech X my beloved
Nicely edited video! The editing was good enough that I will forgive the kinemaster watermark. I was entertained all the way through as well, so you've earned a sub!
So much running and even getting pyromaniac i still end up with weak DPS and end up faltering or just bad room generation...its just a good reason to give up on this challenge a lot. But dang this editing is so well done. Really is inspirational, like those lines forming during the subject transitions and the funny edits are engaging. Especially using all those isaac sprites!
Well, i agree wtih everything you said in this video, except eternal hearts. I think that they can be changed in a way that: 1. They would give you HP up only in case, when you collected two of them. 2. When you get hit they are the first (before soul, black and any other hearts) 3. When you leave room, and not picked up eternal heart, when you enter this room for the second time, eternal heart would grow wings and "Ascend", this will make players to pick them in any case, or else they would just lose eternal heart. 4. And finally, when you have no eternal hearts, there will be 20% that instead of any heart, would spawn eternal, and when you have one eternal heart, spawnrate of eternal hearts would be the same. This tweaks will make eternal hearts more like a shield than a hp up. (Sorry, if there is some grammatical mistakes, English is not my first language.)
I rarely do blood dono due to factors like I don't have enough health on the floor that can be accessed without taking damage or having rooms where you need to hurt yourself to get to it. Even then I feel the 50/50 of either a hp up which can be killed by a pill faster than you can say "yay!" or somthing I'd pick up on a tainted cain run (becuse it gives pick ups)
So I just beat this literally 12 hours ago. What was my game winning Combo? Brittle bones/ capricorn / waffer, an experimental health up pill then a boss dropping placenta. I waited 20 min for my health to fill , found a sacrifice room in the womb , then proceeded to sacrifice health till i TP'd to his door step... I'm never gonna do this challenge again not because it's difficult , because if a key strat is sitting on your ass doing nothing for 20 min while your unpaused game slowly Regens health is not fun.
I used that mod that gives you a bunch of shit from the get go to avoid wanting to yank my eyes off and even with that, navigating through the maps had to be the worst thing i've ever experienced in Isaac. Lost+Maze is such an annoying combination because the latter completely screws with any attempt at mind mapping the place. If there's a challenge where using the console is completely legit, this is the one
I got this challenge done in the AB+ days, got lucky with Placenta early into my attempts and won with it so personal experience dictates "it's not THAT bad", but I've heard enough horror stories That being said, if I were to change one thing about this challenge without completely removing anything, it'd probably be switching Blind out for Unknown instead - The addition of planetariums does make betting on blind treasure room pulls less mandatory but simultaneously, the perpetual Labyrinth serves to cut your planetarium rolls in half, making committing to skipping a treasure room more likely to not pay out down the road, so you're encouraged to just take the gamble... but the amount of items that're bad for this challenge is absurd and aaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA - I can live with navigating while blind (I'm just not used to non-euclidean spaces)! It's largely just time-consuming but a) I don't mind taking my time with this game in general outside of the boss rush and Hush marks, and b) Repentance nerfed Maze a bit so the teleportation isn't completely destroying your ability to get around 24/7, taking you to uncleared rooms so it dials back the teleporting as you clean up more of a floor - Now no heart drops is extremely detrimental too, wiping a ton of different healing sources off the board, but I wanna make this revision single-handedly take as much luck factor out of the equation as I can and make skill still matter as much as it can. Newcomers will still get annihilated, but I'd argue you have much more of a consistent chance here if you know something is actively detrimental or at least has a chance of being problematic (lookin atchu Experimental Treatment) and thus know to just, not grab it - Unknown isn't particularly fun either but to me it serves more to ask "how well do you know your damage sources" and makes health trades a knowledge check of keeping track of your hits taken and which ones only took half a heart, rather than the flat-out gamble that Blind typically presents I've noticed that there's a fair number of things in this game that only deal half a heart of damage when you would otherwise expect them to take out a full heart (ex. your own bombs take a full heart directly while pretty much every other explosion, even gas clouds you set off with your own bombs, does only half), and vice versa, which can make keeping track of your health on an Unknown floor a lot trickier
12:37 Honestly that's a skill issue. Or brain issue. Or mindset issue. Ultrahard is not fair, and is not fun to fail at. But using "isaac players just like to emass power quickly and enjoy braindead gameplay" is kinda offensive. Oh and. You're playing Edmunds game, you do realise that, right? Imagine complaining something isnt "fair"
I'm not sure how it's offensive when, at least from what I've seen, it's a pretty valid point. Most Isaac YTbers prioritise the most broken or game breaking runs because they're the most fun to play and watch. Not to mention the dozens of clips of peoples runs avaliable across the community. People like playing runs that coat the screen in multicoloured bullets that kill everything on contact, that's a very obvious statement. I'm sorry if that generalisation upsets you, but from my 2 years in the community that seems to be a widely accepted sentiment and this is the first time I've seen anyone be offended by that.
I heard about that guy not too long ago, though any individual being able to beat or streak it doesn't invalidate or nullify any of the problems that are present. You could apply this same thinking to arguably any problematic thing in gaming history, though it is incredibly ignorant as it assumes being beatable = perfectly fine.
Only reason I managed to clear this challenge was because I got a lucky run with Charm of the Vampire and a lot of really good items lol. Think I barely did it since I beat Mega Satan with like a heart left. It was legitimately NOT a fun challenge at all, which I guess seemed to be the whole theme in Afterbirth+ where things were just made just for the sake of difficulty without considering if it was even fun in the first place.
Also FUCK Camillo Jr.s they actually fucked up a good run I had once because I had two spawn at once and I didn't have enough damage to kill them instantly so I just immediately died to their unreactable hitscan beam.
The only reason I beat ultra hard was pressing r until I got wafer... God I hate ultra hard so much
I used Judas’s shadow, who needs hp when you have 2x dmg?
Also I thanked I risked it and got a q4 or 3 in devil
Same. Duck that challenge. And.gor why? "Samson is healthy" wtf
This item is part of the reason that I started using the mod that lets you turn off curses ngl. Maze and lost both really don't make the game harder, they just waste time. Really just annoyances for the sake of being annoying. Blind does make the game harder but it does it in a very not-fun way. It removes strategy more than anything, making item choice, shops, deals all complete gambles arbitrarily. I do like XL floors though, those are actually interesting and different challenges that don't just make the game worse. This challenge is what made me realize that. Even with curses disabled the challenge isn't fun, and I've beaten it twice now on my way to a second file completion (for my first file I did it with all the curses and it was hell). Good video, agreed on all counts.
It's basically impossible unless you get a health regen item or two, and stupid-good damage very early. Oh, and pray you don't get an F-you item that tanks your run. I've completed it twice, and I've got round 3 coming up soon- not looking forward to all the deaths/restarts.
I've only done it once so far. Dreading the 2nd and 3rd completions. I wish you luck on save file 3.
I completed Ultra Hard 30 minutes ago after 40+ attempts, but honestly, I enjoyed the challenge greatly. Same goes with Delirium as Tainted Lost. It pushes to the limits your ability to squeeze to most out of your skills and to milk everything on the floor for even the slightest benefit, while counteracting brutal, ruthless limitations. Ultra Hard really did feel like Ultra Hard.
Greedier mode with Tainted Lost though... I've done it but what a shitshow. Enemies spawning on top of you is a whole another level.
This might be the first time I've ever heard someone say that enjoyed Ultra Hard.
I do gotta agree with Greedier T. Lost, thst is another level of pain in its own right.
As someone who hasnt done this challenge yet, fuck.
Amazing video by the way, this cool as hell.
Whenever you give it a try, I wish you luck soldier.
You really only wrote Cannibalism correctly once, that's impressive. You didn't get it right even accidentally
I completed Ultra Hard legit 2 times total and it's the most RNG reliant BS I had to deal with. One of those runs got saved while I was in chapter 3 because I found the Satanic Bible inside a crawl space from a rock that exploded due to a champion, like what are the odds??? TH-camr luck maybe?
Healing items and decent items are an absolute must and things get in shambles if you don't get one past chapter 2 (which is quite often, that if you managed to survive long enough). If this "challenge" gave the player holy mantle or yum heart by default it'd be way more tolerable imo.
Really good vid❤ keep going!
Ay thank you!
I think my attempts at Ultra Hard were well over 50+. I was sick the day I attempted it which didn’t help but it took me at least part of that day to complete it. Tech X my beloved
Tech X being goated as usual
well, to that I can only say "god bless debug mode"
Nicely edited video! The editing was good enough that I will forgive the kinemaster watermark. I was entertained all the way through as well, so you've earned a sub!
1:06 Exactly my man, who could forget it?
Oh...
oh...
I did...
omfg, I became so rusty at TBoI that I forgot a pivotal strat...
oh...
All this for Samson to start with Child's Heart haha.
So much running and even getting pyromaniac i still end up with weak DPS and end up faltering or just bad room generation...its just a good reason to give up on this challenge a lot.
But dang this editing is so well done. Really is inspirational, like those lines forming during the subject transitions and the funny edits are engaging. Especially using all those isaac sprites!
Well, i agree wtih everything you said in this video, except eternal hearts. I think that they can be changed in a way that:
1. They would give you HP up only in case, when you collected two of them.
2. When you get hit they are the first (before soul, black and any other hearts)
3. When you leave room, and not picked up eternal heart, when you enter this room for the second time, eternal heart would grow wings and "Ascend", this will make players to pick them in any case, or else they would just lose eternal heart.
4. And finally, when you have no eternal hearts, there will be 20% that instead of any heart, would spawn eternal, and when you have one eternal heart, spawnrate of eternal hearts would be the same.
This tweaks will make eternal hearts more like a shield than a hp up.
(Sorry, if there is some grammatical mistakes, English is not my first language.)
I rarely do blood dono due to factors like I don't have enough health on the floor that can be accessed without taking damage or having rooms where you need to hurt yourself to get to it. Even then I feel the 50/50 of either a hp up which can be killed by a pill faster than you can say "yay!" or somthing I'd pick up on a tainted cain run (becuse it gives pick ups)
So I just beat this literally 12 hours ago. What was my game winning Combo? Brittle bones/ capricorn / waffer, an experimental health up pill then a boss dropping placenta. I waited 20 min for my health to fill , found a sacrifice room in the womb , then proceeded to sacrifice health till i TP'd to his door step... I'm never gonna do this challenge again not because it's difficult , because if a key strat is sitting on your ass doing nothing for 20 min while your unpaused game slowly Regens health is not fun.
I used that mod that gives you a bunch of shit from the get go to avoid wanting to yank my eyes off and even with that, navigating through the maps had to be the worst thing i've ever experienced in Isaac. Lost+Maze is such an annoying combination because the latter completely screws with any attempt at mind mapping the place. If there's a challenge where using the console is completely legit, this is the one
I got this challenge done in the AB+ days, got lucky with Placenta early into my attempts and won with it so personal experience dictates "it's not THAT bad", but I've heard enough horror stories
That being said, if I were to change one thing about this challenge without completely removing anything, it'd probably be switching Blind out for Unknown instead
- The addition of planetariums does make betting on blind treasure room pulls less mandatory but simultaneously, the perpetual Labyrinth serves to cut your planetarium rolls in half, making committing to skipping a treasure room more likely to not pay out down the road, so you're encouraged to just take the gamble... but the amount of items that're bad for this challenge is absurd and aaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
- I can live with navigating while blind (I'm just not used to non-euclidean spaces)! It's largely just time-consuming but a) I don't mind taking my time with this game in general outside of the boss rush and Hush marks, and b) Repentance nerfed Maze a bit so the teleportation isn't completely destroying your ability to get around 24/7, taking you to uncleared rooms so it dials back the teleporting as you clean up more of a floor
- Now no heart drops is extremely detrimental too, wiping a ton of different healing sources off the board, but I wanna make this revision single-handedly take as much luck factor out of the equation as I can and make skill still matter as much as it can. Newcomers will still get annihilated, but I'd argue you have much more of a consistent chance here if you know something is actively detrimental or at least has a chance of being problematic (lookin atchu Experimental Treatment) and thus know to just, not grab it
- Unknown isn't particularly fun either but to me it serves more to ask "how well do you know your damage sources" and makes health trades a knowledge check of keeping track of your hits taken and which ones only took half a heart, rather than the flat-out gamble that Blind typically presents
I've noticed that there's a fair number of things in this game that only deal half a heart of damage when you would otherwise expect them to take out a full heart (ex. your own bombs take a full heart directly while pretty much every other explosion, even gas clouds you set off with your own bombs, does only half), and vice versa, which can make keeping track of your health on an Unknown floor a lot trickier
12:37
Honestly that's a skill issue. Or brain issue. Or mindset issue.
Ultrahard is not fair, and is not fun to fail at. But using "isaac players just like to emass power quickly and enjoy braindead gameplay" is kinda offensive.
Oh and. You're playing Edmunds game, you do realise that, right? Imagine complaining something isnt "fair"
I'm not sure how it's offensive when, at least from what I've seen, it's a pretty valid point. Most Isaac YTbers prioritise the most broken or game breaking runs because they're the most fun to play and watch.
Not to mention the dozens of clips of peoples runs avaliable across the community. People like playing runs that coat the screen in multicoloured bullets that kill everything on contact, that's a very obvious statement.
I'm sorry if that generalisation upsets you, but from my 2 years in the community that seems to be a widely accepted sentiment and this is the first time I've seen anyone be offended by that.
Skill issue, one of the vest Russian streamers successfully streaked ultra hard
I heard about that guy not too long ago, though any individual being able to beat or streak it doesn't invalidate or nullify any of the problems that are present.
You could apply this same thinking to arguably any problematic thing in gaming history, though it is incredibly ignorant as it assumes being beatable = perfectly fine.
neonomi leakage into english youtube. They're not ready.
Only reason I managed to clear this challenge was because I got a lucky run with Charm of the Vampire and a lot of really good items lol. Think I barely did it since I beat Mega Satan with like a heart left. It was legitimately NOT a fun challenge at all, which I guess seemed to be the whole theme in Afterbirth+ where things were just made just for the sake of difficulty without considering if it was even fun in the first place.
Also FUCK Camillo Jr.s they actually fucked up a good run I had once because I had two spawn at once and I didn't have enough damage to kill them instantly so I just immediately died to their unreactable hitscan beam.
@@KoobyKarasuCamillo Jr is one of the stupidest enemies and they made a challenge that makes them worse.
My man out here speaking pure facts 🗣️
Get rid of KineMaster
I'm afraid I can't. It's the thing I edit videos on and without it I can't make stuff.