I love watching some of your old videos!!! LOL I'm a handloader and keep a massive stockpile of the 62gr and the 75gr gold dots on hand including loaded ammo it's definitely my favorite 223/556 bullet and oddly enough if you're willing to load your own ammo you can almost use it as a plinking bullet because they're that affordable.
If I had to use a military round I'd take the Mod 0 any day over either the M855 or M193. But, I'd take the Gold Dot over both of them as well. Dr. Roberts has lots of good info on ARFCOM on all these rounds for those interested; much more than any of my gel tests will tell us.
This throwback makes me smile, it's been awhile since 2012!! Also, seeing these old midwest industries handguards makes me remember how much I love them. I bought a PSA upper around that time that had a 13" rail of the same style and I always liked how it felt in the hand
I watched a few of your videos tonight. You do a good job. Lots of factual information, not just repeated, but unproven myths like a lot of other guys do. Nice work!
From what I've heard (I can not verify this at all) the newer rounds have slightly more velocity due to them dropping the 556 version from the lineup. Again, I have no evidence but I read it on the internet :D
Aside from being on the slow side, I think the Gold Dot 64gr and the 75gr loads are the best all purpose round. Penetration is excellent, expands early for better terminal ballistics, barrier blind, and shoots at least 1MOA for me. I've seen Iraqveteran's video and his 9mm HST partially expanded at almost 450 yards, I would be confident this round would get the job done past 400 yards.
I've used this round on MN whitetail deer with good results. Three deer ran a total of 30 yards after impact at 50-70 yards. Impressive terminal damage. Note that all 3 shots were just behind front shoulder, through both lungs. Damage to entrance-side lung was definitely fatal. Also saw wound channel damage to heart in one case, liver in another. Third shot was a bit high. Lungs only. Animal still went down in 10-15 yards. I was not completely sold on 223 being used as an ethical deer cartridge. After these results, I have changed my mind. In the right circumstances (with the right shooter), 223 is plenty (and less damage to venison).
Absolutely. Military 5.56 rounds are not great defensive rounds (outside of the Mod1/0) for civilians. There are just much better options available to private citizens.
i'd just like to interject to your haters - that there's nothing sacred about ordinance gel. ordinance gel has an acceptable "range" of BB calibration depth, there's nothing precise or exact about ballistics testing, terminal or exterior. stacking tolerances from factory machining process can have two of the exact same barrels firing much difference average velocities. ballistics testing is a rough estimate, albeit interesting. Thanks for another great video.
Thanks for the Video. One of the few TH-cam channel gun enthusiast I subscribe to. I don't get a sense of ego. The videos a helpful and honestly chear up my day being they are appropriate in length for a coffee break, or something of the sort.
It doesn't need it per se as that's not what it's designed to do. It's designed for those who want barrier blind performance. I will test those rounds eventually; I have some in the stash.
I use Speer LE Gold Dot 223 64gr for deer. Exit wound was the size of a US quarter. My concerns with this round was the over penetration at shorter ranges of up to 125 yards shooting through the body and wasting the remaining kinetic energy into the landscape. This ammunition works great for raking-shots and engaging variants at longer ranges 200+ yards. Federal Premium LE TRU 64 Grain Hi-Shock SP -- may be a better choice for deer hunting. Hope this helps.
10 years ago 😮. You used to smile more 😁. Good review though. I like the heavier grain reviews. Helps with deciding what to buy for home defense and certain hunting applications. My 16 inch 556 AR is my do all rifle.
I see what you did there. I may or may not have a bunch myself. But I haven't seen anyone really test it just yet. Just that OTM bullet, which isn't as good in my opinion. But thank you sir, I will be waiting patiently. You are a gentleman and a scholar. I imagine recycling that gel is a Pain in the ass.
I took an 8 point southern Mo whitetail this year with remington hog hammers. Hit it in the point of the shoulder and dropped it in its tracks, massive damage, shattered bone and large wound channel.
I got some 55-grain GDSP, and it was very accurate. I don't have a chronograph or ballistic gel but I did shoot a deer with it and it only went about 75 feet before it dropped. The only problem was I didn't get complete penetration. The bullet lodged under the skin on the opposite side, but the permanent cavity was large enough and went nearly the entire length of the overall wound channel.
FWIW I have a lot of respect for M193 and M855, both would make great defensive options. But the fragmentation was just a lucky coincidence, they didn't know the rounds would do that when they made them, it wasn't until ballistic testing w/ high speed cameras that they figured out why they were so effective. I'd say the real benefit of the Gold Dot round (or Winchester PDX1) is that it can be fired safely in any rifle (semi or bolt action) that is chambered in .223, while 5.56 can't.
Exo594, that is nickle plated brass. It is very popular in factory loaded premium personal defense ammo. Some say that the nickle plated brass feeds better and can be seen easier for a "chamber check." I say- It just looks different, which is cool to me.
It's main purpose is both for lubricity as well as casing strength so the casing can't become ripped or misshapen allowing for more reliable extractions.
I use this ammo for deer hunting. People that believe the .223 caliber is to small for hunting large game obviously doesn’t know what they are talking about. A lot of water buffalos harvested in Vietnam were shot from several 100 meters away. The ammunition for hunting is far superior then FMJ NATO rounds. The NRA forum on .223-caliber rifles for hunting: Despite the controversy ammunition experts have proven, “the .223-caliber has plenty lethal power to get the job done quickly”.
+bbariceo , Yeah, I picked up a good handful to replace my Hornady LE ammo that is getting old (I'm not worried about cartridge age, it's just starting to get dinged on scratched).
+Mrgunsandgear channel Could you replicate this text with your SBR? Particularly, your 10.3. Unless you have access to a 11.5" barrel. I'd like to know the best defensive ammo for an sbr. Mine happens to be 1/9 twist. I've heard arguments that it doesn't matter that much in shorter barrels. (The twist rate.)
From what I know of speer gold dot so far seams like all there rounds are good quality. Maybe not the best at all calibers but they always seam to be good
The military can't use hollow points, so M193 and M855 are great options as they create substantial wounds through fragmentation. M855 can defeat infantry armor, and is probably better than the Gold Dot in that regard, however GD is designed for law enforcement who generally don't go against armor. Compared to pistol rounds, this ammo has great ballistics and great penetration, with the projectile going deeper into the block than M855 or M193, since they yaw in soft targets, then break apart.
@@TerminalM193 My opinion on this has changed quite a bit in the 9 years since I wrote this reply. M193 is still very effective against an unarmored target, however I'm not a fan of M855 anymore. M855A1 is an improvement but I think 5.56 in general is inadequate for military use, as the body armor used by America's adversaries has improved. Which is why the army is adopting 6.8mm. I think it would be smart for law enforcement to also adopt the same 6.8mm round that the army is moving to. Just to be better prepared for the possibility of armored shooters, and to have better range in general. If your rifle has an adequate twist rate for a 64gr bullet this 5.56 round should be great for home defense and for LE in most cases. Also, yes I'm aware the military can use hollow points. They typically don't use them in rifles. They have been using JHPs with the M17 pistol.
@@1911Funguy Well, I'm happy to see you've attained more knowledge when it comes to the platform as a whole. I didn't mean to come off so crude. I completely agree when it comes to m855. It's an extremely overrated round that really only benefits from 20"+ barrels and even then it's performance is very situational. Proper M193 is what I like to "stack". Primarily from imi, Winchester and Hornady Frontier. Those are the only 3 that seem to still produce full power M193. From my 16" I'm able to get 3060 - 3150 from muzzle which is almost perfect when it comes to defeating all soft armor and some plate armor. When it comes to terminal ballistics the round is absolutely devastating when entering a target at 2900+fps. Really it's only drawback is its 55g design. It can still be decently accurate and devastating through light brush but not so great vs any other types of barriers. For the home & farm I really like the 62g bonded sp gold dot. The bullets design allows it to function properly all the way down to 1300 fps so it's practically perfect for both my 11.5" BCM & 16" SOLGW. I'm able to get about 2900fps at the muzzle for my 16" and have taken massive hogs and coyotes out to 160 yards. The wound tracks and exit are always disgusting and I would hate to get hit anywhere with such a round. I'd really like to see how the round performs at 250-400 yards but currently there's only 2 spots on the property that I can reach out that far safely. 5.56 is an absolutely devastating round when you take the time and effort to match the right bullet design to the intended platform. That's what I love about the caliber. There's so many different and great designs that serve specific purposes since it's such a popular caliber. I'm eager to see some testing done with the 6.8 through battle rifles. I wonder how creative they'll get with different bullet designs. It's insane how much pressure the new sig rifles can handle.
I've got a sneaky suspicion that the ATK .224 bullet advertised as their Gold Dot is the same as the Federal Fusion line . Nothing wrong with that because I use Fusion a lot as a hunting round in different calibers , and it is a great bullet for it's price point . So if one is cheaper than the other , then go with the bargain .
Needs more frangibility. Could you test some Mk318 vs M855. Maybe it's my time in the Army, but that wound channel just doesn't look very impressive. I realize it's .223 so it's a little slower than 5.56. But I would have expected more from the round being a Speer Gold Dot bullet. Mainly because I have been very impressed with there .45acp ammunition.
Eastern North Carolina, same as Georgia, and probably like y'all in Georgia very few 0% humidity days, think it was a offhand comment that he threw out
Hornady really needs to come out with a 75gr interbond with cannelure as there is not 75gr bonded bullet avail to us reloaders except for the Swift Scirocco but its too expensive and almost impossible to find. Speer has their 75gr gold dot, but for some reason they won't release it as a component for reloading
It is but it's a pretty substantial investment. Check out their website because the answers to you question are all in their FAQ section and they'll be much more detailed than I can give you.
Have you had a chance to test out the newer 62 grain 24445SP yet? Curious to know the difference if any between the two. My local gun store had a bunch for a good price so i picked up a couple boxes.
cjmj26 These perform great out of my 10.5” and 11.5” BCM barrels. 10.5” - 2363 fps 7 yards away - 16” of penetration with similar wounding displayed with MG&G longer barrel. 100 yard - 16” of penetration with excellent wounding. 11.5” - 2509 fps 7 yards away - 14” of penetration with more wounding capacity than MG&G linger barrel. 100 yards 13” of penetration with major wounding capacity. These and the 55 grain variants have very similar ballistics, and in my testing is a wash. I most certainly would not want to be on the receiving end of them. For the price, these can not be beat, especially when found for $10 a box frequently. Another devastating round at an excellent price are the Federal MSR rounds!
Thank you. I have fun making the videos (and laughing at myself stutter and say 'um' and 'ah' way more than I ever thought I did!) too so I suppose it works out :D
I'm looking forward to seeing this out your 10.5" barrel. Also, what would be your preference between this and the Winchester Ranger 64 grain round? I've got some Hornady 5.56 62 grain Tap and some Australian Outback 69 grain ammunition that I would like to see you test.
What is your preference for 5.56, hollow/soft points or otm types (75 tap or 77 gr) and why? Also if one has a longer 20 inch barrel, will that benefit a certain type of bullet more?
+TehRaven keep in mind that when you get up there in weight the bullets are longer and wont fit the magazine or the mag well and can only be loaded through the ejection port ! also the heavier bullets need the tighter 1 in 7 twist rate for stabilization... and yes barrel length makes a difference as does the gas port and size of it ! there are lots of vid's out here that cover everything ;)
Hard to explain in 500 characters but since you're a handgun guy this may help---would you ever us NATO 124gr FMJ 9mm as your primary defensive handgun ammo? Probably not. Same reason you wouldn't want to use military 5.56. The .mil folks have WAY too many unfair restrictions on the ammo they can use---you don't.
Awesome ammo. MRGNG, do u think this would be a good self defense round or do u think there is too much over penetration? I know u like the Hornaday 75 mg ammo. How does this compare to that?
At the end of the video you mentioned testing this load in SBR length guns. Did you ever get to that? It's hard to search your channel as for some reason the "magnifying glass" icon to search videos within your channel doesn't show up when viewing your main channel page. Thanks and keep up the great work!
I wish some one would find the velocity of the round after it exits 12" of ballistic gel (human torso width), as its used by LE and home defense rounds
B Berg ballistics gel penetration is roughly double flesh penetration, so 18 inches of penetration into gel is roughly 9 inches into human flesh, and the exiting layer of skin adds more confusion to the mix because it could take an additional 2-4 inches of gel penetration just to break all the way through the skin. Nothing is guaranteed though, especially with bones in the mix.
Mrgunsngear Channel Did you ever get around to the SBR ballistic test with this ammo? I searched, but realized really quickly that you have a ton of videos! Between this, and Fusion 62 grain ammo, what would you recommend for the 11.5" barrel I mentioned to you before? Thanks for the review! I trust Gold dots in my 9mm and .40 handguns, and these seem good for a rifle as well. Not sure if 2 grains will effect velocity in an SBR much.
Mrgunsngear Channel Oh, and I appreciate the. recommendation. I'm going to go ahead and pick some of this up, today. I know you have a, if not a couple SBR's, and ammo ballistic experience.
Like your videos. A while back you were testing the mk318 0 mod and getting crazy penetration something like 30-32 inch? Anyways in reference to that particular ammo I watch people shooting it in gel and all get like 14-16 inch as best. Have you tried shooting it thru gel again to see if you got same results? My old 30-06 doesn't even penetrate that much. Thanks
I love watching some of your old videos!!! LOL I'm a handloader and keep a massive stockpile of the 62gr and the 75gr gold dots on hand including loaded ammo it's definitely my favorite 223/556 bullet and oddly enough if you're willing to load your own ammo you can almost use it as a plinking bullet because they're that affordable.
If I had to use a military round I'd take the Mod 0 any day over either the M855 or M193. But, I'd take the Gold Dot over both of them as well. Dr. Roberts has lots of good info on ARFCOM on all these rounds for those interested; much more than any of my gel tests will tell us.
.223 soft points are more effective than people think. I've seen just as many deer dropped in their tracks with .223 as any other full-power caliber.
@@thatguy22441 M193 and M855 are better than people think as well.
@@mattwalters6834 only if it hits bone, otherwise it just pokes small leaky holes
@@DataGeek903 lol, no
This throwback makes me smile, it's been awhile since 2012!! Also, seeing these old midwest industries handguards makes me remember how much I love them. I bought a PSA upper around that time that had a 13" rail of the same style and I always liked how it felt in the hand
Thank you
I watched a few of your videos tonight. You do a good job. Lots of factual information, not just repeated, but unproven myths like a lot of other guys do. Nice work!
menacinggesture Thanks.
From what I've heard (I can not verify this at all) the newer rounds have slightly more velocity due to them dropping the 556 version from the lineup. Again, I have no evidence but I read it on the internet :D
Aside from being on the slow side, I think the Gold Dot 64gr and the 75gr loads are the best all purpose round. Penetration is excellent, expands early for better terminal ballistics, barrier blind, and shoots at least 1MOA for me. I've seen Iraqveteran's video and his 9mm HST partially expanded at almost 450 yards, I would be confident this round would get the job done past 400 yards.
This ammunition (mine is '12 headstamp) was chronographed at 2711 from a 16" suppressed carbine, and 2500fps from a 10.5" suppressed SBR.
I've used this round on MN whitetail deer with good results. Three deer ran a total of 30 yards after impact at 50-70 yards. Impressive terminal damage. Note that all 3 shots were just behind front shoulder, through both lungs. Damage to entrance-side lung was definitely fatal. Also saw wound channel damage to heart in one case, liver in another. Third shot was a bit high. Lungs only. Animal still went down in 10-15 yards. I was not completely sold on 223 being used as an ethical deer cartridge. After these results, I have changed my mind. In the right circumstances (with the right shooter), 223 is plenty (and less damage to venison).
Absolutely. Military 5.56 rounds are not great defensive rounds (outside of the Mod1/0) for civilians. There are just much better options available to private citizens.
I backordered them from Brownells in Novermber. They're on the list.
I heard good results from Gold dot. I never seen in in ballistics gel before , thanks for showing it.
i'd just like to interject to your haters - that there's nothing sacred about ordinance gel. ordinance gel has an acceptable "range" of BB calibration depth, there's nothing precise or exact about ballistics testing, terminal or exterior. stacking tolerances from factory machining process can have two of the exact same barrels firing much difference average velocities. ballistics testing is a rough estimate, albeit interesting. Thanks for another great video.
Thanks for the Video. One of the few TH-cam channel gun enthusiast I subscribe to. I don't get a sense of ego. The videos a helpful and honestly chear up my day being they are appropriate in length for a coffee break, or something of the sort.
+Casey Terrence thanks; glad they're helpful
I do. It just takes a while to recycle the gel but I've got a ton of ammo in the que.
It doesn't need it per se as that's not what it's designed to do. It's designed for those who want barrier blind performance. I will test those rounds eventually; I have some in the stash.
I use Speer LE Gold Dot 223 64gr for deer. Exit wound was the size of a US quarter. My concerns with this round was the over penetration at shorter ranges of up to 125 yards shooting through the body and wasting the remaining kinetic energy into the landscape. This ammunition works great for raking-shots and engaging variants at longer ranges 200+ yards. Federal Premium LE TRU 64 Grain Hi-Shock SP -- may be a better choice for deer hunting. Hope this helps.
Is there both a 62 and 64 grain version? I've only seen the 62.
10 years ago 😮. You used to smile more 😁. Good review though. I like the heavier grain reviews. Helps with deciding what to buy for home defense and certain hunting applications. My 16 inch 556 AR is my do all rifle.
My LGS is a LE dealer & that's where I snagged it. Gtdist has some though if you're looking.
This---without hesitation. Military rounds are poor SD/HD choices (with the exception of MOD0)
Both will certainly get the job done.
Between the B H 50 tsx & the speer 64 gdsp they are my favorite go to rounds.
I have some; I'll probably get to that combination one of these days.
Agreed; this is much better than M855 or 193
I see what you did there. I may or may not have a bunch myself. But I haven't seen anyone really test it just yet. Just that OTM bullet, which isn't as good in my opinion.
But thank you sir, I will be waiting patiently. You are a gentleman and a scholar. I imagine recycling that gel is a Pain in the ass.
I took an 8 point southern Mo whitetail this year with remington hog hammers. Hit it in the point of the shoulder and dropped it in its tracks, massive damage, shattered bone and large wound channel.
Local LE/MIL dealer a couple years ago. No leads on it these days.
glad to see this. love their 9 mm stuff
+The Joe Proffitt Channel ditto
I got some 55-grain GDSP, and it was very accurate. I don't have a chronograph or ballistic gel but I did shoot a deer with it and it only went about 75 feet before it dropped. The only problem was I didn't get complete penetration. The bullet lodged under the skin on the opposite side, but the permanent cavity was large enough and went nearly the entire length of the overall wound channel.
I haven't but will probably get to it one of these days.
I've got a ton of it (or I mean I don't have any :D ) already. It's on my list to test but recycling the gel takes time. I'll get to it though.
Good stuff. Gold Dots rock in any flavor you choose.
very cool brother. love seeing rifle ballistic tests. im used to only seeing pistol ammo. would love to see what the ak 7.62x39 would do.
All I can say is when I get to it. I don't plan my videos out on a schedule or anything.
Well, the marketplace says so. Value is in the eye of the customer.
Thanks, Love hearing stuff about ammo
Good vid man. Go nutz and put a solid door section or windshield in front of the block
Did you ever post the results on the 10.5? curious to see the difference
Mrgunsngear Channel, I'd like to see those 10.5 results as well
Me too!
Yeah hurry up already!
I too would like to see
FWIW I have a lot of respect for M193 and M855, both would make great defensive options. But the fragmentation was just a lucky coincidence, they didn't know the rounds would do that when they made them, it wasn't until ballistic testing w/ high speed cameras that they figured out why they were so effective. I'd say the real benefit of the Gold Dot round (or Winchester PDX1) is that it can be fired safely in any rifle (semi or bolt action) that is chambered in .223, while 5.56 can't.
I got 1200 gold dot bullets to reload from a factory overrun sale. I love these. And at the .12 cents each I paid, not a bad deal.
Yup. Makes them a bargain in the market (with normal pricing....)
Exo594, that is nickle plated brass. It is very popular in factory loaded premium personal defense ammo. Some say that the nickle plated brass feeds better and can be seen easier for a "chamber check." I say- It just looks different, which is cool to me.
It's main purpose is both for lubricity as well as casing strength so the casing can't become ripped or misshapen allowing for more reliable extractions.
Can't wait to see the 10.5" follow up video to see the difference.
It's getting darker every time I recycle it.... But, sure we can do that.
The Speer Gold Dot LE 64 grain bonded soft point is the same design as the 62 Grain Trophy Bonded Bear Claw©.
I use this ammo for deer hunting. People that believe the .223 caliber is to small for hunting large game obviously doesn’t know what they are talking about. A lot of water buffalos harvested in Vietnam were shot from several 100 meters away. The ammunition for hunting is far superior then FMJ NATO rounds. The NRA forum on .223-caliber rifles for hunting: Despite the controversy ammunition experts have proven, “the .223-caliber has plenty lethal power to get the job done quickly”.
Thanks, more to come...
On sale $9.99 a box at Palmetto State Armory now, reg $19.99
+bbariceo indeed
+bbariceo , Yeah, I picked up a good handful to replace my Hornady LE ammo that is getting old (I'm not worried about cartridge age, it's just starting to get dinged on scratched).
this is a deal I couldn't pass up!
10.99 at Palmetto State right now!
How much extra when PSA steals your credit card, though?
heavy hitter for sure, way better than any pistol service caliber(9/40/45/357 mag/10mm)
It's the MI Gen2 SS. I have a video on it.
Oh it's coming---stay tuned.
+Mrgunsandgear channel Could you replicate this text with your SBR? Particularly, your 10.3. Unless you have access to a 11.5" barrel. I'd like to know the best defensive ammo for an sbr. Mine happens to be 1/9 twist. I've heard arguments that it doesn't matter that much in shorter barrels. (The twist rate.)
I may. Lots of ammo and so little time :D
Haha! I hear that. Will I'll be in the lookout for it!
Where's the test out of the 10.5"??
I’ve heard these still expand from a 10.5
From what I know of speer gold dot so far seams like all there rounds are good quality. Maybe not the best at all calibers but they always seam to be good
The military can't use hollow points, so M193 and M855 are great options as they create substantial wounds through fragmentation. M855 can defeat infantry armor, and is probably better than the Gold Dot in that regard, however GD is designed for law enforcement who generally don't go against armor. Compared to pistol rounds, this ammo has great ballistics and great penetration, with the projectile going deeper into the block than M855 or M193, since they yaw in soft targets, then break apart.
Lmao you couldn be more wrong about so many things!
@@TerminalM193 My opinion on this has changed quite a bit in the 9 years since I wrote this reply.
M193 is still very effective against an unarmored target, however I'm not a fan of M855 anymore. M855A1 is an improvement but I think 5.56 in general is inadequate for military use, as the body armor used by America's adversaries has improved. Which is why the army is adopting 6.8mm. I think it would be smart for law enforcement to also adopt the same 6.8mm round that the army is moving to. Just to be better prepared for the possibility of armored shooters, and to have better range in general.
If your rifle has an adequate twist rate for a 64gr bullet this 5.56 round should be great for home defense and for LE in most cases.
Also, yes I'm aware the military can use hollow points. They typically don't use them in rifles. They have been using JHPs with the M17 pistol.
@@1911Funguy Well, I'm happy to see you've attained more knowledge when it comes to the platform as a whole. I didn't mean to come off so crude. I completely agree when it comes to m855. It's an extremely overrated round that really only benefits from 20"+ barrels and even then it's performance is very situational.
Proper M193 is what I like to "stack". Primarily from imi, Winchester and Hornady Frontier. Those are the only 3 that seem to still produce full power M193. From my 16" I'm able to get 3060 - 3150 from muzzle which is almost perfect when it comes to defeating all soft armor and some plate armor. When it comes to terminal ballistics the round is absolutely devastating when entering a target at 2900+fps. Really it's only drawback is its 55g design. It can still be decently accurate and devastating through light brush but not so great vs any other types of barriers.
For the home & farm I really like the 62g bonded sp gold dot. The bullets design allows it to function properly all the way down to 1300 fps so it's practically perfect for both my 11.5" BCM & 16" SOLGW. I'm able to get about 2900fps at the muzzle for my 16" and have taken massive hogs and coyotes out to 160 yards. The wound tracks and exit are always disgusting and I would hate to get hit anywhere with such a round. I'd really like to see how the round performs at 250-400 yards but currently there's only 2 spots on the property that I can reach out that far safely.
5.56 is an absolutely devastating round when you take the time and effort to match the right bullet design to the intended platform. That's what I love about the caliber. There's so many different and great designs that serve specific purposes since it's such a popular caliber. I'm eager to see some testing done with the 6.8 through battle rifles. I wonder how creative they'll get with different bullet designs. It's insane how much pressure the new sig rifles can handle.
Is the speer gold dot bullet supposed to be a bonded bullet? That would explain the lack of frangibility. Which to me makes this a crap choice IMO.
Nice choice of AR. Got the same AR!! Thanks for the test vid!!!
You're quite welcome.
I've got a sneaky suspicion that the ATK .224 bullet advertised as their Gold Dot is the same as the Federal Fusion line . Nothing wrong with that because I use Fusion a lot as a hunting round in different calibers , and it is a great bullet for it's price point . So if one is cheaper than the other , then go with the bargain .
Needs more frangibility. Could you test some Mk318 vs M855. Maybe it's my time in the Army, but that wound channel just doesn't look very impressive. I realize it's .223 so it's a little slower than 5.56. But I would have expected more from the round being a Speer Gold Dot bullet. Mainly because I have been very impressed with there .45acp ammunition.
It is.
Honestly just google "Dr. Roberts M855" and "hague convention ammo restrictions" It'll answer all your questions better than I can.
"0% humidity" Well he is definitely not in Georgia.
Eastern North Carolina, same as Georgia, and probably like y'all in Georgia very few 0% humidity days, think it was a offhand comment that he threw out
Hmm.... What is your preference.
You're welcome.
If you could see how long it takes to recycle this gel you wouldn't do that either. If I did that and a deflection caused a miss I'd be pissed...
Hornady really needs to come out with a 75gr interbond with cannelure as there is not 75gr bonded bullet avail to us reloaders except for the Swift Scirocco but its too expensive and almost impossible to find. Speer has their 75gr gold dot, but for some reason they won't release it as a component for reloading
Preach! Thanks.
This stuff is surprisingly accurate out of my 11.5 bcm with an aimpoint pro.
It is but it's a pretty substantial investment. Check out their website because the answers to you question are all in their FAQ section and they'll be much more detailed than I can give you.
Fed Fusion is almost EXACTLY the same ammo if you cant gind this stuff (according to Dr Roberts)
Have you had a chance to test out the newer 62 grain 24445SP yet? Curious to know the difference if any between the two. My local gun store had a bunch for a good price so i picked up a couple boxes.
Another vote for the test with the 10.5" barrel please!
Duly noted
My department issues these, and I'd like to see what they do out of my 10.5 gun!! Thank you!
cjmj26
These perform great out of my 10.5” and 11.5” BCM barrels.
10.5” - 2363 fps 7 yards away - 16” of penetration with similar wounding displayed with MG&G longer barrel. 100 yard - 16” of penetration with excellent wounding.
11.5” - 2509 fps 7 yards away - 14” of penetration with more wounding capacity than MG&G linger barrel. 100 yards 13” of penetration with major wounding capacity.
These and the 55 grain variants have very similar ballistics, and in my testing is a wash.
I most certainly would not want to be on the receiving end of them.
For the price, these can not be beat, especially when found for $10 a box frequently.
Another devastating round at an excellent price are the Federal MSR rounds!
Thanks for the info man!!
Excellent Home defense round....doc david
Can you make a video on how you made your gelatin. Yours is very clear.
This video is 4 yrs old, what's your go to self defense 223 ammo now
I bet its still up there in the top 5
Junior 83 I’m wondering the same? Mr G&G anything else you’d recommend at this point for Home D?
There’s a lot of good stuff out there. I personally like the Gold Dot 64gr, I got a 16in 1:8 twist barrel.
I'm wondering how this round would do out of a 16 inch barrel 1/9 twist?
Home defense and deer hunting under 75 yards?
awesome videos, you should try using a heat gun on your blocks to make em more visible, i heard about that somewhere
james saunders Thanks.
Thank you. I have fun making the videos (and laughing at myself stutter and say 'um' and 'ah' way more than I ever thought I did!) too so I suppose it works out :D
Anytime.
Thank you.
Which did you like better? 64 grain Ranger or this load? Keep up the good work.
TheEastbaycop They perform pretty much the same so whichever is cheaper
Good info there, thanks.
I'm looking forward to seeing this out your 10.5" barrel. Also, what would be your preference between this and the Winchester Ranger 64 grain round? I've got some Hornady 5.56 62 grain Tap and some Australian Outback 69 grain ammunition that I would like to see you test.
they perform very similarly
Great video! I wonder how performance would fair from a 12.5" barrel with a 1/7 twist...
Grego1776 looks like this ammo was designed for SBRs in mind :)
I can get this pretty cheaply, locally. For about 50 cents a round. What do you think for stocking-up ammo, for emergencies?
Thanks for the post!! Keep up the good work
Thanks.
Cool video. Did you pick this ammo up at the LGS or online only?
What is your preference for 5.56, hollow/soft points or otm types (75 tap or 77 gr) and why?
Also if one has a longer 20 inch barrel, will that benefit a certain type of bullet more?
TehRaven I have a video on setting up a HD AR. Also one on AR barrel lengths
I'm sure I've watched it a long time ago, I'll have to re-search for it.
+TehRaven keep in mind that when you get up there in weight the bullets are longer and wont fit the magazine or the mag well and can only be loaded through the ejection port !
also the heavier bullets need the tighter 1 in 7 twist rate for stabilization...
and yes barrel length makes a difference as does the gas port and size of it !
there are lots of vid's out here that cover everything ;)
When are you going to try the 10.5 inch SBR in this round your videos are great please keep it up
just ordered 55gr gold dors for my HD AR hope it would perform similar
+Eric Busseau they're decent
Great Video. Where did you pick up the Gold Dots from?
Early expansion. Very nice.
I haven't.
Hard to explain in 500 characters but since you're a handgun guy this may help---would you ever us NATO 124gr FMJ 9mm as your primary defensive handgun ammo? Probably not. Same reason you wouldn't want to use military 5.56. The .mil folks have WAY too many unfair restrictions on the ammo they can use---you don't.
Yes a I would !!
Awesome ammo. MRGNG, do u think this would be a good self defense round or do u think there is too much over penetration? I know u like the Hornaday 75 mg ammo. How does this compare to that?
STT VOYAGER thanks. Yes.
At the end of the video you mentioned testing this load in SBR length guns. Did you ever get to that? It's hard to search your channel as for some reason the "magnifying glass" icon to search videos within your channel doesn't show up when viewing your main channel page. Thanks and keep up the great work!
jng1226 I think I did...?
+Mrgunsngear Channel I was looking for the follow-on results for SBR length guns.
I wish some one would find the velocity of the round after it exits 12" of ballistic gel (human torso width), as its used by LE and home defense rounds
B Berg ballistics gel penetration is roughly double flesh penetration, so 18 inches of penetration into gel is roughly 9 inches into human flesh, and the exiting layer of skin adds more confusion to the mix because it could take an additional 2-4 inches of gel penetration just to break all the way through the skin. Nothing is guaranteed though, especially with bones in the mix.
Mrgunsngear Channel Did you ever get around to the SBR ballistic test with this ammo? I searched, but realized really quickly that you have a ton of videos!
Between this, and Fusion 62 grain ammo, what would you recommend for the 11.5" barrel I mentioned to you before? Thanks for the review! I trust Gold dots in my 9mm and .40 handguns, and these seem good for a rifle as well. Not sure if 2 grains will effect velocity in an SBR much.
Pitbull82 I may have; I don't remember as I have hundreds of videos. This.
Mrgunsngear Channel No problem. I'll search for it. You have other videos I'd like to see in the meantime anyway. Thanks for the response.
Mrgunsngear Channel Oh, and I appreciate the. recommendation. I'm going to go ahead and pick some of this up, today. I know you have a, if not a couple SBR's, and ammo ballistic experience.
Like your videos. A while back you were testing the mk318 0 mod and getting crazy penetration something like 30-32 inch? Anyways in reference to that particular ammo I watch people shooting it in gel and all get like 14-16 inch as best. Have you tried shooting it thru gel again to see if you got same results? My old 30-06 doesn't even penetrate that much. Thanks
I haven't
Great ammo, thank you!
spookypunky you're welcome
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