This dude has become arrogant and super big headed over the last year, hopefully he is not like this with his guys because they will leave and bring his attitude back to earth
I don't really give a damn about his arrogance but it bothers me that he gives this garbage advice to young guys starting out. When you understand that it's just clickbait to sell memberships to the sheep gang it makes more sense.
In life you gotta be able to scavenge thru the bullshit and arrogance and take good advice when you can…. Not a single person keeps it 💯. And not a single person is real. The best thing here is get yourself a Jose and know how to keep them and not bullshit them.
Disagree 100% We used to be in landscaping and it was tough to scale past a couple crews (like Tigran business also!). It's good and we made decent money but very tough to scale and take yourself out of the day to day ops. Moved into lawn care (fertilizer, weed control etc) and have never looked back. Went from 4 crews in hardscaping to 12 crews in lawn care with the ability to not be involved with the day to day of the business and could take months off and the business would still run. This is just his tactic to get more sales on his courses! Guarantee if Tigran didn't have his courses to sell, his landscape business would be as profitable as the 40 year old mowing lawns.
I wouldn’t fully agree with you Tigran. When it comes to maintenance it can be very profitable and it easier to scale than design and build. Just look at the biggest landscaping chains in the US. They usually just focus on commercial (mainly because employees can do a mediocre job and not have people complain about it). Although Mariani Landscaping in Illinois does like $54 million doing 88% residential work and doing it profitable for decades. I say this while I just do design build work but because I like building things but eventually I will have a maintenance team for high quality residential. I simply wouldn’t knock mowing but I know you want to sway people to your courses which is okay I guess but I wouldn’t do it knocking what many use to start off at.
With me doing lawn care at 17 and just trying to find and be the way it's very hard and learning .but at the same time like T said you gotta be willing to expand your mind and do and be greater things and just keep doing and being you
@@ChapmanClips Clearly said I only do design and build I’m not a mow guy. But my statement is still true the biggest names in the industry still have large portions of there companies in maintenance because it’s more easier to scale. They use maintenance to get design and build projects through existing clients. You can teach maintenance to anyone but only a few are competent enough to complete a design and build project.
@@coachiti2009 Augusta is not just a lawn care company. They have bulldozers, backhoes, dump trailers, ect. Many landscape companies offer mowing services too but the real money is through upselling. Hedge trimming, mulching, tree trimming, plants, bush hogging, hardscaping..
I think it is clear to most lawn guys that you didn’t know what you were doing when you were mowing lawns. Yes your likely killing it in construction. But I’m sure your lawn game needed hella work T. Lawn guys drive those trucks everywhere
Mr. Clickbait, You might have a point for the guy who is a one truck operation. You're forgetting to mention (or you don't understand) that lawn businesses are actually far more scalable. You can copy and paste your way to having 10-20million dollars in annual revenue and dozens of crews. Many guys have done just that. Anyone ever hear of CitiTurf or Perficut? These "stupid" guys could literally buy and burn your business 20 times over. To call them stupid is just completely foolish and shows what a juvenile business person you are. Here's another FACT that you're failing to tell the people. If I have a $1 million lawn company and you have a $2 million construction company our profit is probably the same because a good chunk of your revenue is material cost. Not to mention the fact that you have to acquire much more expensive equipment. Let's also deduct all your equipment payments from your profit while we're at it. What's that.... a couple hundred thousand a year? Congrats, That means your less profitable but you've got a great bragging number. Lastly, I noticed you're bragging about your truck again and lying to people that it costs $110,000. Show the contract again and everyone will see that The 110k is your total of payments with your high ass interest rate.... Not the price of the truck. I have the same damn truck but it's a paid off 2017. Your ability to overextend yourself with loans is really not that impressive.
Exactly I slay with my paid off trucks mowers and equipment. Only thing I have a note on is my skid steer for 18 more months. Having notes on a bunch of stuff at the same time isnt impressive at all. Hire a mechanic it's alot cheaper then just buying new equipment every couple years
Exactly what I was thinking as well. First lawn care business I thought of was Augusta Lawn Care owned by Mike Andes. This Tigran guy is a joke by calling lawn care business owners stupid. He talks about not knowing anything about construction but silently outs himself as a poser. He’s the equivalent of a MLM finance guru that you always see ads for. He probably worked doing pavers and some landscaping and decided to just start his own business by hiring guys that are actually smarter than him who can actually do the work and know what they are doing, all while paying them less. And that truck……yeah, it’s a long wheel base Ford 250 with basically the best trim. $70k-$80k and sometimes less. But that doesn’t even matter, because it’s just a tax write off. This guy is a turd.
Keith kelfas is a real landscaper that does the jobs himself and works side by side with his guys, he is the true all around landscaper and he gets my respect
I would agree tigran kinda seems arrogant at times and I don’t agree with him here. Keith is also a respectable guy but Keith makes money off TH-cam making content from his landscaping company. But let’s say you want to scale your business so you don’t always have to be babysitting employees, I would listen to the likes of Tigran and Caleb Auman over Keith because their goal is to grow a business. Keith will make money on youtube showing you his struggles being a small guy and he’ll be okay but will you?
Keith does rock jobs and limb trimming and window washing, dont compare him to T when he does landscape construction 🤣 if Keith was big like T i doubt hed be in the mud working still, Hed be out closing jobs.
100% agree with you T. I started a lawn care business about 5 years ago. Finally grew enough balls to go full time at the start of this year. Things were going great until my car broke down and I had to buy a new one. I quickly came to the realisation that I can’t keep working for 200 or 300 $ per day because when things go wrong there’s no back up funds. I have now started doing construction, I’ve made more money in a couple months doing construction than a good year doing lawns. Defiantly believe anyone that’s doing lawns and looking to take the next step should go for it. It’s not easy but very rewarding at the end. 👍
I’m sorry, but not having money set aside for a rainy day was on you. Don’t blame it on the profession, because I know plenty of people saving thousands a month by working in lawn care.
crazy idea, no more mowed lawns, instead we have useful things on our home plots like idk a fruit tree or bush or something that we dont have to fucking chop needlessly forever and ruin every graveyard shift workers sleep
Will admit I was offended when I saw the title but the next day as I was mowing I thought back on this video and 100% agreed with you. Mowing lawns is an absolute endless losing game. This was definitely a wake up call. Thank you Tigran
Keith is falling off bro no growth in years i stopped following his channel, im tryna expand and make over a mil a year some day. Same as brians lawn maintenance no growth in years just one employee and some lawns his co. Wont touch a mil anytime soon
Keith it’s not mowing lawn and if you watched his las live he said that he don’t want a million dollar co. Cuz no ones care about it he wants to help people instead
@@obedg4614 Brian said he does 250k a year with himself and 1 employee and he’s totally ok with that. He doesn’t want to scale up to a mil a year cuz it’s just more overhead,more employees to babysit and more headaches. Ntm how much chance to lose your ass. He’s building his dream home and shop while he drives his Tesla. You don’t need a huge company and be greedy to be happy.
There are many company’s who do it both, maintenance pays the bills and construction makes the money, if you had a maintenance division I bet you them bills would get paid. Maybe lawns aren’t your thing but you can profit from lawns if done the right way. Just saying. Plus not all lawns are small, and trimming shrubs doesn’t come with a lawn mow lol that’s a separate charge.
I think lawn maintenance is great when you have route density and it’s stable work every week, I do enjoy landscaping and Hardscape much more but mowing has its benefits for sure and it can definitely buy a truck like yours if you know what your doing
I landed a 20k landscape job this year... I realized the profit margins in Lawncare suck ass compared to landscapes... 🤦🏻♂️ still going run a mow crew but only charge premium prices. If I join goat gang, anyway we could speak one on one for a few minutes?
We do more landscaping than mowing. Thinking about getting rid of mowing. Only reason I havent gotten heavy into construction is i cant find/keep great guys for detailed work like pavers yet. How do you find employees?
Hahahah, funny thing mowing lawns has given 4 houses, and a commercial building. I don't know buddy but i think im doing pretty well for myself... by the way that 120k truck is the dumbest thing you can buy... THE POOR BUY LIABILITIES THINKING ITS AN ASSET, while the rich buy assets that generate them income. My profession might be mowing lawns, but my business is passive income investment and boy business is good.
Exactly! Same here..... My lawn business currently with 4 crews fuels my real estate investments and the ability to travel where and when I want. Btw.... You're right on liabilities versus assets but nothing wrong with expensive trucks if you can actually afford them. Mine is paid for. I'm so stupid!
@@allphaselandscape each to their own, i just see 120k for a apartment thats is going to generate me money for the rest of my life. Or 120k for a truck that is going to depreciate 80% of its value in 5 years. My dream car is an Aston Martin dbs, 2021 @316k the 2011 is just around 100k you telling me that its worth to buy a car that in 10 years its going to lose 3/4 of its value.
My bosses mowers are your net worth. He's 30 years in cocoa Beach now a millionaire. We do 50 yards a day with condos and commercial properties here and there. For a felon to have that job opportunity is great .
Get your class A license and start doing heavy civil construction. And then you can start making the real bucks. I just sent a bid in for 16 million. And got the project.
What up, I have 400 lawn. And I am a landscape , & License contract. The lawns keep the money coming in. 25 years in business. I have min of $50 . Don't have known lawns under $50. I have a lot of equipment you wanna to buy some.👍😁
I know several Jose’s. How do you find one? Not literally but what would you say is important to keep good employees. Can you make a more detailed video about it? I’ve seen most of not all of your videos and you’ve dove into and mentioned it but what else. Thanks T.
Imagine wanting clicks so bad you call an entire industry of good people who are trying to do their best and take care of themselves and their families stupid.
That’s very true, you get comfortable 👌 I started my detailing business at 18 and since the beginning I knew it was just a hustle for now, I liked it but now I’m 21 and bought my first bobcat and looking to add other services this year too 🙌 super pumped Thanks T
I think both fields can be just as profitable. Mowing and smaller landscaping is our most profitable crews in terms of profit/man hour with much less equipment investment. If you can do a 100k job in 2 weeks at 10% margin but a mowing route can profit $1000 a day who’s winning after 2 weeks? Pretty comparable, but with mowing we have less hassle and don’t need extremely highly skilled people to run the crews. Losing one of those guys can take a huge hit on the quality of a job. Something to consider. Don’t feel pressured to get into these big projects When you may be more profitable where you are today. I’ll believe it when I see apple woods P&L 🤭😉😉
I want to see a mowing route that Profits a $1,000 a day... Especially after paying the guys mowing for the day, fuel, insurance, mix, and all other indirect and direct costs.
All I hear is excuses your making bud. No matter how you cut it hardscaping is more profitable and youll always be the mowing guy who nobody trusts to actually do their landscaping
He is just hating casue some mowing are making more profit then him just ask your self if 50$ minimum is the the (minimum)then imagine the rest of his prices he’s making more
I mow Monday-Thursday and do landscaping/hardscaping projects on Fridays. And I don’t do lawns for $20 dollars… the goal is the find clients that understand that you get what you pay for, aka high end neighborhoods for the most part. Sure a guy could cut a yard for $20 MAYBE as well as I can for $40. But will he be consistent? No, he won’t. When somebody tells me “my other guy did it for this much” I just say that’s great, I don’t.
Hello Tigran I’m around your age and I’m still mowing lawns but I want to change that I need your help/advice. Your absolutely right. I’m located in garden grove California.
All what we do is mowing with some soft scape stuff. There is money to make in lawn care. How to make the big money is having a super tight route. 80% of what we do is turf maintenance work, 10% is soft scapes and the other 10% is snow plowing. The reoccurring cash flow is nice. We show up every week and make the same amount of money and it’s all profitable. There are better profits on construction work yes, but it also depends on how long it takes you to do a job. We bang out 800-1200 days mowing with two guys with very low overhead. I see where your coming from, but I’m not convinced that mowing is just dumb.
We have about 150 weekly mowing houses. We don’t make crazy profit, but these customers tend to give us bigger jobs. So although we do not make crazy money off mowing, mowing stems off into bigger jobs. For us at least 🤷🏽♂️
You forgot the part that construction requires a contractors license. Landscaping requires a C27 contractors license. The contractors license requires 5 years experience, 2 licensed contractors to sign off on your application for a license, and pass the background check that takes 9 months, and pass the state exam. It's illegal to operate a contracting business without a state contractors license on any job that costs more than $500.00 per job materials and labor and can't be completed in 1 day.
I’m 20. I have a maintenance crew and a landscaping crew. The cash flow from my lawn maintenance crew allowed me to grow the landscaping side of my business. I would not have been able to without the amazing margins in maintenance. There will always be cheaper guys but I built my business around addressing the pain points of having to work with those guys. That’s competition. Mowing lawns is not for stupid people. Stupid people just don’t know how to make money mowing lawns and grow their business #weknowthetruth
Lmaoo this so true. I’m 16 and mow lawns and hate it. I’ve got 33 accounts and yeah I gross about $1400 a week from lawns but I can make twice that in a day quite easily doing excavation work and landscaping work. I bought a small John Deere loader last month and have already made more with that than I did mowing lawns all last year. I’m now looking to buy a mini ex and get out of lawns as soon as possible. I have been watching your videos for over a year and it’s changed my business for the better. I’ve been “taking hella risks” and it’s paying off. Thanks T keep up the great vids
Actually that's completely incorrect.... The only reason anybody's butt hurt is because it's completely false information. Anyone who's actually built and scaled a business knows this. You can do well in both but lawn businesses are far more scalable.
The Main thing is you have to find good people to do the job sometimes no matter how much you paid to the workers one day thay will leave you and then Wath you going to do you only need is one main worker but wath happens if he leave you?
For me the mowing is just to maintain the customers and we have 4 days a week and Mondays and Tuesdays for construction here in New York the lanscape business are very difficult we only work from April to December and with the mowing we found more customers
The truth is in order to make big dollars mowing commercial properties, you need multiple crews running. You can make the same or more money in construction with a lot less people and less headaches.
I have my own landscaping company but mowing is just cash flow bro. Gotta understand T that some people have a mortgage, wife, kids… kinda unfair to call them a loser/dumb when you don’t know what thats like.
Ahahaha $20! No one is mowing, edging and hedging that house for $20 😂😂 There’s no overheads with mowing. You can bignote yourself as much as you want but who knows if your in debt or your paying off your gear. I’d rather earn 2-2500 a week and have no stress than make a heap and be thinking all the time.
Bingo. I make more mowing with my paid off trucks trailers and equipment. I also do construction though so I've got a skid steer and dump truck. Also come to massachusetts. There are guys mowing lawns with 70k trucks all over
The thing about most lawn guys is that they live in denial. Sure there are exceptions but the majority are barely hanging on. My second year in the lawn biz I was killing myself with 120 lawns a week and I realized there has to be a better way. Realized all the money was in the projects I was up selling my customers. Starting trimming trees year 3 and FF to year 13 I was losing tree work at an alarming rate because I was a slave to my lawn accounts. Finally pulled the plug 5 seasons ago and sold the lawn biz. Now we do as much in a week with trees as we did in a month of lawn biz. How many times have you seen a lawn guy bitching about replacing a $400 edger? To many. Let’s be honest, lawn pricing is the same now as 20 years ago and sadly the lawn guy gets the absolute least amount of respect in the green biz!
Not necessarily. I myself still cut lawns at the age of 40 and enjoy the physical exercise that comes with it. Plus I have passive income coming in through resale. Honestly it's much better to have income coming in from different sources regardless what a person does for a living.
good video T thanks for keeping us sharp. ✊🏽 I’m still cutting a few lawns but I’m not a grass cutter, I’m a landscaper. I agree with you and know all the points you’ve made in this video very well
This is right men I just start my landscaping business whit out any knowledge men working for 12 year In restaurants selling my time believe me guys this is true
T thanks for the good video as always🤘 what my struggle is regarding growth is finding employees! Since I'm in the Austin Texas area and there is absolutely no employees available good or bad ones. Our employee pool is empty!! everyone is moving here from California to get away from all the bullshit there. What's the trick in getting good employees 🤔
There's nothing wrong with mowing lawns. Construction and lawn care are two COMPLETELY different businesses. This is like a plumber telling a carpenter he's stupid for being a carpenter. They're different industries, there's no comparing them. You were obviously trying to be offensive with the video title at any rate. We're mostly design/build, but one thing mowing has for it is consistency and being less stressful overall.
03:02 $20.00 really? You’ve been out of the lawn care business too long my friend. But no offense taken that were stupid people for trying to do what we love. As they say everybody is entitled to their own opinion. If making thousands is your thing then more to you my friend.
Yo. Imma just say I what works for me and it ain’t lawn maintenance. It’s the difference between your average ticket price being $50 or $1,500, $5,000, $50,000... whatever level you’re at. I had the advantage of watching my dad and the multitude of landscapers and nursery owners that trained me in this business make the mistake of barely breaking even with all the overhead. Equipment maintenance, labor costs, fuel, etc... you can’t make any real money and on that I will agree with ya. I have buddies in this business that beg to differ and perhaps I just don’t know what I’m doing but I solely do landscape/hardscape installation. Works for me.
I'm not saying he's wrong because I don't know anything about construction but there's some pretty good money where I live in mowing lawns. I started three years ago and have grown about 50 yoy every year with around 20 to 30 percent profit margins. I have invested around 60 to 75k in equipment in those 3 years. All paid for by profits. I'm somewhat part time as I have a full time job also but hopefully not much longer.
@@TigranGertz Yeah idk much about the whole thing since I'm still young but yeah I've watched a few lawn mowing channels and the main reason they do it is for disabled people and the people that are going through something.
I agree, I work for a fairly big company, we do hardscape, landscape and lawn. Lawn is on the way out, to many issues and hassle for a minimal amount of money.
A tiny % of people will take this advice on board and begin to dominate the majority will take offence and retaliate
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Yo T how can u help me brother???
Without stupid people we would have no one to laugh at. Take time to thank a stupid person for their contribution 😉
You deff wouldn't be the one to thank than with you makin millions off mowing grass and building up a franchise lol
This dude has become arrogant and super big headed over the last year, hopefully he is not like this with his guys because they will leave and bring his attitude back to earth
dick maynard.
I don't really give a damn about his arrogance but it bothers me that he gives this garbage advice to young guys starting out. When you understand that it's just clickbait to sell memberships to the sheep gang it makes more sense.
@@allphaselandscape amen
@UC3AeyGqWANErMwpC6E7-mVg sheep gang 👊🏽 This guy has become super arrogant. Has bad advice why do I even give him views unsubcribed
In life you gotta be able to scavenge thru the bullshit and arrogance and take good advice when you can…. Not a single person keeps it 💯. And not a single person is real. The best thing here is get yourself a Jose and know how to keep them and not bullshit them.
Disagree 100%
We used to be in landscaping and it was tough to scale past a couple crews (like Tigran business also!). It's good and we made decent money but very tough to scale and take yourself out of the day to day ops.
Moved into lawn care (fertilizer, weed control etc) and have never looked back. Went from 4 crews in hardscaping to 12 crews in lawn care with the ability to not be involved with the day to day of the business and could take months off and the business would still run.
This is just his tactic to get more sales on his courses! Guarantee if Tigran didn't have his courses to sell, his landscape business would be as profitable as the 40 year old mowing lawns.
Incorrect buster
Absolutely 100% agree with you. Clickbait for the sheep gang.
Fosho
GOAT GANG BABY! Back off my man T
this twerp irked me from minute 1 of the video. now that I know he's selling something it all makes sense
What do you mean I have a mowing set up more than 80k
I know, right?
My set up is over 100k.....1 truck, trailer and equipment.
Proverbs 14:23🙏
@@groundeffects3032 nice job
I wouldn’t fully agree with you Tigran. When it comes to maintenance it can be very profitable and it easier to scale than design and build. Just look at the biggest landscaping chains in the US. They usually just focus on commercial (mainly because employees can do a mediocre job and not have people complain about it). Although Mariani Landscaping in Illinois does like $54 million doing 88% residential work and doing it profitable for decades. I say this while I just do design build work but because I like building things but eventually I will have a maintenance team for high quality residential. I simply wouldn’t knock mowing but I know you want to sway people to your courses which is okay I guess but I wouldn’t do it knocking what many use to start off at.
Facts! Totally agree with you !
when you go big enough...yes....im talking about the 40 year old guy mowing lawns every day with 1 helper
@@TigranGertz yessir I agree with all y'all...life's one big learning experience and it's up to you how you take it
With me doing lawn care at 17 and just trying to find and be the way it's very hard and learning .but at the same time like T said you gotta be willing to expand your mind and do and be greater things and just keep doing and being you
@@ChapmanClips Clearly said I only do design and build I’m not a mow guy. But my statement is still true the biggest names in the industry still have large portions of there companies in maintenance because it’s more easier to scale. They use maintenance to get design and build projects through existing clients. You can teach maintenance to anyone but only a few are competent enough to complete a design and build project.
Bought your program 2 years ago, I didn’t really understand landscaping, till now I land a 27k job. Goat gang
Mike Andes is definitely going to make a video response on this! Lol
@@eddiegarcia6771 already??
Mike Andes isn't just lawn care though. His company makes most of it's money doing landscaping jobs like this guy.
@@replysoon3216 then how come he never talks about it, he seems to push lawn care more than anything including his Augusta franchise.
@@coachiti2009 Augusta is not just a lawn care company. They have bulldozers, backhoes, dump trailers, ect. Many landscape companies offer mowing services too but the real money is through upselling. Hedge trimming, mulching, tree trimming, plants, bush hogging, hardscaping..
Lol
I think it is clear to most lawn guys that you didn’t know what you were doing when you were mowing lawns. Yes your likely killing it in construction. But I’m sure your lawn game needed hella work T. Lawn guys drive those trucks everywhere
Mr. Clickbait,
You might have a point for the guy who is a one truck operation. You're forgetting to mention (or you don't understand) that lawn businesses are actually far more scalable. You can copy and paste your way to having 10-20million dollars in annual revenue and dozens of crews. Many guys have done just that. Anyone ever hear of CitiTurf or Perficut? These "stupid" guys could literally buy and burn your business 20 times over. To call them stupid is just completely foolish and shows what a juvenile business person you are.
Here's another FACT that you're failing to tell the people. If I have a $1 million lawn company and you have a $2 million construction company our profit is probably the same because a good chunk of your revenue is material cost. Not to mention the fact that you have to acquire much more expensive equipment. Let's also deduct all your equipment payments from your profit while we're at it. What's that.... a couple hundred thousand a year? Congrats, That means your less profitable but you've got a great bragging number.
Lastly, I noticed you're bragging about your truck again and lying to people that it costs $110,000. Show the contract again and everyone will see that The 110k is your total of payments with your high ass interest rate.... Not the price of the truck. I have the same damn truck but it's a paid off 2017. Your ability to overextend yourself with loans is really not that impressive.
Exactly I slay with my paid off trucks mowers and equipment. Only thing I have a note on is my skid steer for 18 more months. Having notes on a bunch of stuff at the same time isnt impressive at all. Hire a mechanic it's alot cheaper then just buying new equipment every couple years
WOW well spoken I see he hasn’t responded to that one FUCKING BURNED 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Exactly what I was thinking as well. First lawn care business I thought of was Augusta Lawn Care owned by Mike Andes. This Tigran guy is a joke by calling lawn care business owners stupid. He talks about not knowing anything about construction but silently outs himself as a poser. He’s the equivalent of a MLM finance guru that you always see ads for. He probably worked doing pavers and some landscaping and decided to just start his own business by hiring guys that are actually smarter than him who can actually do the work and know what they are doing, all while paying them less. And that truck……yeah, it’s a long wheel base Ford 250 with basically the best trim. $70k-$80k and sometimes less. But that doesn’t even matter, because it’s just a tax write off. This guy is a turd.
Keith kelfas is a real landscaper that does the jobs himself and works side by side with his guys, he is the true all around landscaper and he gets my respect
I would agree tigran kinda seems arrogant at times and I don’t agree with him here. Keith is also a respectable guy but Keith makes money off TH-cam making content from his landscaping company. But let’s say you want to scale your business so you don’t always have to be babysitting employees, I would listen to the likes of Tigran and Caleb Auman over Keith because their goal is to grow a business. Keith will make money on youtube showing you his struggles being a small guy and he’ll be okay but will you?
I question this guy more and more each video
Keith does rock jobs and limb trimming and window washing, dont compare him to T when he does landscape construction 🤣 if Keith was big like T i doubt hed be in the mud working still, Hed be out closing jobs.
100% agree with you T. I started a lawn care business about 5 years ago. Finally grew enough balls to go full time at the start of this year. Things were going great until my car broke down and I had to buy a new one. I quickly came to the realisation that I can’t keep working for 200 or 300 $ per day because when things go wrong there’s no back up funds.
I have now started doing construction, I’ve made more money in a couple months doing construction than a good year doing lawns.
Defiantly believe anyone that’s doing lawns and looking to take the next step should go for it. It’s not easy but very rewarding at the end. 👍
I’m sorry, but not having money set aside for a rainy day was on you. Don’t blame it on the profession, because I know plenty of people saving thousands a month by working in lawn care.
crazy idea, no more mowed lawns, instead we have useful things on our home plots like idk a fruit tree or bush or something that we dont have to fucking chop needlessly forever and ruin every graveyard shift workers sleep
that's a crazy idea
I'm 20 lol and I'm doing great cutting grass it's full time I've been out of prison 4 months and already gave my two brothers a job
Will admit I was offended when I saw the title but the next day as I was mowing I thought back on this video and 100% agreed with you. Mowing lawns is an absolute endless losing game. This was definitely a wake up call. Thank you Tigran
My minimums are $50 ...........🖕🏻😂😂😂😂😂
Haha I’m just patiently waiting for a response vid from Mikey Mike! It’s hard to argue with Mike Andes model when it clearly is working out all right!
I want Keith Kalfas to make a video with his opinion on this.
Keith is falling off bro no growth in years i stopped following his channel, im tryna expand and make over a mil a year some day. Same as brians lawn maintenance no growth in years just one employee and some lawns his co. Wont touch a mil anytime soon
love keith
@@obedg4614 you sound like a hating pocket watching prick, Keith’s past a mil btw
Keith it’s not mowing lawn and if you watched his las live he said that he don’t want a million dollar co. Cuz no ones care about it he wants to help people instead
@@obedg4614 Brian said he does 250k a year with himself and 1 employee and he’s totally ok with that. He doesn’t want to scale up to a mil a year cuz it’s just more overhead,more employees to babysit and more headaches. Ntm how much chance to lose your ass. He’s building his dream home and shop while he drives his Tesla. You don’t need a huge company and be greedy to be happy.
What kind of truck is that with 7k miles
Hey T I’m not stupid I’m using the mowing money to buy those tools 🛠
this i like
@Tigran gertz where did you gain all your knowledge
There are many company’s who do it both, maintenance pays the bills and construction makes the money, if you had a maintenance division I bet you them bills would get paid. Maybe lawns aren’t your thing but you can profit from lawns if done the right way. Just saying. Plus not all lawns are small, and trimming shrubs doesn’t come with a lawn mow lol that’s a separate charge.
I think lawn maintenance is great when you have route density and it’s stable work every week, I do enjoy landscaping and Hardscape much more but mowing has its benefits for sure and it can definitely buy a truck like yours if you know what your doing
I landed a 20k landscape job this year... I realized the profit margins in Lawncare suck ass compared to landscapes... 🤦🏻♂️ still going run a mow crew but only charge premium prices. If I join goat gang, anyway we could speak one on one for a few minutes?
absolutely goatgang.net
Where is the goat gang video of you giving everything away in the trailer? Is that the video where you said it all got stolen?
It's on my channel lol
We do more landscaping than mowing. Thinking about getting rid of mowing. Only reason I havent gotten heavy into construction is i cant find/keep great guys for detailed work like pavers yet. How do you find employees?
just meet people, some people I also found at home depot and social media
Hahahah, funny thing mowing lawns has given 4 houses, and a commercial building. I don't know buddy but i think im doing pretty well for myself... by the way that 120k truck is the dumbest thing you can buy... THE POOR BUY LIABILITIES THINKING ITS AN ASSET, while the rich buy assets that generate them income. My profession might be mowing lawns, but my business is passive income investment and boy business is good.
What are you invested in?
Hater
Exactly! Same here..... My lawn business currently with 4 crews fuels my real estate investments and the ability to travel where and when I want. Btw.... You're right on liabilities versus assets but nothing wrong with expensive trucks if you can actually afford them. Mine is paid for. I'm so stupid!
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@@allphaselandscape each to their own, i just see 120k for a apartment thats is going to generate me money for the rest of my life. Or 120k for a truck that is going to depreciate 80% of its value in 5 years.
My dream car is an Aston Martin dbs, 2021 @316k the 2011 is just around 100k you telling me that its worth to buy a car that in 10 years its going to lose 3/4 of its value.
Hey man looking to go full time next year how can you help me? Looking for some advise
My bosses mowers are your net worth. He's 30 years in cocoa Beach now a millionaire. We do 50 yards a day with condos and commercial properties here and there. For a felon to have that job opportunity is great .
how do i sign up for sheep gang
How can you help me T? I’m tired of picking weeds
dm me on fb facebook.com/tigran.gertz
Took a big dump on Brian's Lawn Maintenance. Lol
lol 😂
Yo I saw this on my recommendation page I’m 18 And I needed to hear this because that’s what I’m doing lmao
Dm me on ig
Just did
Get your class A license and start doing heavy civil construction. And then you can start making the real bucks.
I just sent a bid in for 16 million. And got the project.
He sounds like the kid that got pick on in school and now he's cocky
Tigran how can you help me?
what do you need help with
best advice I can give you, join goat gang
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If you start doing landscaping you will understand what he is talking about.
yes
Only problem is not many have 200k to go out and buy all the equipment
He is brutally honest. He’s not a landscaper… he’s a business owner.
I started Mowing at 12 lawns were $40 a lawn mowers were 3k. Now 32 years later that lawn is now $60 and mower is 12k
nice man
@@TigranGertz best thing I ever did was get into landscape construction.
What up, I have 400 lawn. And I am a landscape , & License contract. The lawns keep the money coming in. 25 years in business. I have min of $50 . Don't have known lawns under $50. I have a lot of equipment you wanna to buy some.👍😁
yes sir
I'm curious how you can fit through doorways with such a big head...
I want to stop mowing lawns, can you help me.
join goat gang
Do you have a construction course ?
I know several Jose’s. How do you find one? Not literally but what would you say is important to keep good employees. Can you make a more detailed video about it? I’ve seen most of not all of your videos and you’ve dove into and mentioned it but what else. Thanks T.
Tough love. He's speaking truth. A business man use to tell me the same thing..says people are scared to make money .
T how can you help me?
I don’t want to be a loser for the rest of my life
Do you use a zip level for estimating?
Imagine wanting clicks so bad you call an entire industry of good people who are trying to do their best and take care of themselves and their families stupid.
That’s very true, you get comfortable 👌
I started my detailing business at 18 and since the beginning I knew it was just a hustle for now, I liked it but now I’m 21 and bought my first bobcat and looking to add other services this year too 🙌 super pumped
Thanks T
How much do you pay your video guy and does he edit the videos?
yes he does
Sweet
I think both fields can be just as profitable. Mowing and smaller landscaping is our most profitable crews in terms of profit/man hour with much less equipment investment. If you can do a 100k job in 2 weeks at 10% margin but a mowing route can profit $1000 a day who’s winning after 2 weeks? Pretty comparable, but with mowing we have less hassle and don’t need extremely highly skilled people to run the crews. Losing one of those guys can take a huge hit on the quality of a job. Something to consider. Don’t feel pressured to get into these big projects When you may be more profitable where you are today. I’ll believe it when I see apple woods P&L 🤭😉😉
I want to see a mowing route that Profits a $1,000 a day... Especially after paying the guys mowing for the day, fuel, insurance, mix, and all other indirect and direct costs.
All I hear is excuses your making bud. No matter how you cut it hardscaping is more profitable and youll always be the mowing guy who nobody trusts to actually do their landscaping
Facts 💯
You're absolutely correct
where did you get that hat? awesome!
I sell them haha
He is just hating casue some mowing are making more profit then him just ask your self if 50$ minimum is the the (minimum)then imagine the rest of his prices he’s making more
I mow Monday-Thursday and do landscaping/hardscaping projects on Fridays. And I don’t do lawns for $20 dollars… the goal is the find clients that understand that you get what you pay for, aka high end neighborhoods for the most part. Sure a guy could cut a yard for $20 MAYBE as well as I can for $40. But will he be consistent? No, he won’t. When somebody tells me “my other guy did it for this much” I just say that’s great, I don’t.
Not for everyone. Some mow, some landscape, some do all of the above.
Hello Tigran I’m around your age and I’m still mowing lawns but I want to change that I need your help/advice. Your absolutely right. I’m located in garden grove California.
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All what we do is mowing with some soft scape stuff. There is money to make in lawn care. How to make the big money is having a super tight route. 80% of what we do is turf maintenance work, 10% is soft scapes and the other 10% is snow plowing. The reoccurring cash flow is nice. We show up every week and make the same amount of money and it’s all profitable. There are better profits on construction work yes, but it also depends on how long it takes you to do a job. We bang out 800-1200 days mowing with two guys with very low overhead. I see where your coming from, but I’m not convinced that mowing is just dumb.
Just because you don't like to mow lawns don't mean nobody else does you are outside your mind
We are doing lawn care but I’m starting to get a lot of fence work so thinking of switching to that as well
We have about 150 weekly mowing houses. We don’t make crazy profit, but these customers tend to give us bigger jobs.
So although we do not make crazy money off mowing, mowing stems off into bigger jobs. For us at least 🤷🏽♂️
You forgot the part that construction requires a contractors license. Landscaping requires a C27 contractors license.
The contractors license requires 5 years experience, 2 licensed contractors to sign off on your application for a license, and pass the background check that takes 9 months, and pass the state exam.
It's illegal to operate a contracting business without a state contractors license on any job that costs more than $500.00 per job materials and labor and can't be completed in 1 day.
Yes, that is true
@@TigranGertz Why do you even bother with this channel ?
Clearly your income far exceeds anything this channel will ever produce ?
Trolling Mike - I love it lol
haha
I’m 20. I have a maintenance crew and a landscaping crew. The cash flow from my lawn maintenance crew allowed me to grow the landscaping side of my business. I would not have been able to without the amazing margins in maintenance. There will always be cheaper guys but I built my business around addressing the pain points of having to work with those guys. That’s competition. Mowing lawns is not for stupid people. Stupid people just don’t know how to make money mowing lawns and grow their business #weknowthetruth
Facts
Lmaoo this so true. I’m 16 and mow lawns and hate it. I’ve got 33 accounts and yeah I gross about $1400 a week from lawns but I can make twice that in a day quite easily doing excavation work and landscaping work. I bought a small John Deere loader last month and have already made more with that than I did mowing lawns all last year. I’m now looking to buy a mini ex and get out of lawns as soon as possible. I have been watching your videos for over a year and it’s changed my business for the better. I’ve been “taking hella risks” and it’s paying off. Thanks T keep up the great vids
very true jack....dm me on facebook
Well your charging too cheap 😂
So many but hurt lawn mowers watching this and knowing he's actually right!
Actually that's completely incorrect.... The only reason anybody's butt hurt is because it's completely false information. Anyone who's actually built and scaled a business knows this. You can do well in both but lawn businesses are far more scalable.
We do two days a week of mowing and 3 for landscaping and want to get two crews going to get mowing 1 day and landscaping 4 days with 5 guys
do it!
I’m 17 started my lawn business about 9months want to switch over to doing landscaping and land clearing but don’t have enough money yet still saving
The Main thing is you have to find good people to do the job sometimes no matter how much you paid to the workers one day thay will leave you and then Wath you going to do you only need is one main worker but wath happens if he leave you?
what happens if you get hit by a bus tomorrow...same analogy
Lol
For me the mowing is just to maintain the customers and we have 4 days a week and Mondays and Tuesdays for construction here in New York the lanscape business are very difficult we only work from April to December and with the mowing we found more customers
Do a video on what first heavy equipment started making you good money and how you got it if cash or credit
The truth is in order to make big dollars mowing commercial properties, you need multiple crews running. You can make the same or more money in construction with a lot less people and less headaches.
yes yes
I’m mowing 10 lawns today and I’m going to be thinking about you...
Gotta join the gang soon.
I have my own landscaping company but mowing is just cash flow bro. Gotta understand T that some people have a mortgage, wife, kids… kinda unfair to call them a loser/dumb when you don’t know what thats like.
you make a fair point
What do you clear a day? Average
ALL expenses accounted for and spread it out
Honestly
Exactly
I’m proud of you Tigran I’ve been watching you so long and you are on to the next level 😎you got my mentality
Lazy isn't necessarily stupid
Ahahaha $20! No one is mowing, edging and hedging that house for $20 😂😂
There’s no overheads with mowing. You can bignote yourself as much as you want but who knows if your in debt or your paying off your gear. I’d rather earn 2-2500 a week and have no stress than make a heap and be thinking all the time.
Bingo. I make more mowing with my paid off trucks trailers and equipment. I also do construction though so I've got a skid steer and dump truck.
Also come to massachusetts. There are guys mowing lawns with 70k trucks all over
Two Camps, Mike and Tigran. Who will win 🏆🤔
The thing about most lawn guys is that they live in denial. Sure there are exceptions but the majority are barely hanging on. My second year in the lawn biz I was killing myself with 120 lawns a week and I realized there has to be a better way. Realized all the money was in the projects I was up selling my customers. Starting trimming trees year 3 and FF to year 13 I was losing tree work at an alarming rate because I was a slave to my lawn accounts. Finally pulled the plug 5 seasons ago and sold the lawn biz. Now we do as much in a week with trees as we did in a month of lawn biz.
How many times have you seen a lawn guy bitching about replacing a $400 edger? To many.
Let’s be honest, lawn pricing is the same now as 20 years ago and sadly the lawn guy gets the absolute least amount of respect in the green biz!
Where's Cameron?
I don't have to worry about nothing
Not necessarily. I myself still cut lawns at the age of 40 and enjoy the physical exercise that comes with it. Plus I have passive income coming in through resale. Honestly it's much better to have income coming in from different sources regardless what a person does for a living.
good video T thanks for keeping us sharp. ✊🏽
I’m still cutting a few lawns but I’m not a grass cutter, I’m a landscaper. I agree with you and know all the points you’ve made in this video very well
I mow lawns and do landscaping and make over 200k a year and im in my second year. It works for me.
There’s no way your only 2 years in bringing home 200k a year, I say your full of shit.
Man you don't know what you're talking about. 😜 Don't be a Hater, Hate the game.
hate the playaa
This is right men I just start my landscaping business whit out any knowledge men working for 12 year In restaurants selling my time believe me guys this is true
keep the business growing and join goat gang!!
T thanks for the good video as always🤘 what my struggle is regarding growth is finding employees! Since I'm in the Austin Texas area and there is absolutely no employees available good or bad ones. Our employee pool is empty!! everyone is moving here from California to get away from all the bullshit there. What's the trick in getting good employees 🤔
Just what I needed to hear. 25 about to be 26. I'm tired of this $300 to $500 a day bullshit. But construction, where do I even begin?
There's nothing wrong with mowing lawns. Construction and lawn care are two COMPLETELY different businesses. This is like a plumber telling a carpenter he's stupid for being a carpenter. They're different industries, there's no comparing them. You were obviously trying to be offensive with the video title at any rate. We're mostly design/build, but one thing mowing has for it is consistency and being less stressful overall.
I go on vacation when I want to I didn't have the things I would have if I wasn't cutting grass
03:02 $20.00 really? You’ve been out of the lawn care business too long my friend. But no offense taken that were stupid people for trying to do what we love. As they say everybody is entitled to their own opinion. If making thousands is your thing then more to you my friend.
I’m a stupid city kid, how can you help me.
Yo. Imma just say I what works for me and it ain’t lawn maintenance. It’s the difference between your average ticket price being $50 or $1,500, $5,000, $50,000... whatever level you’re at. I had the advantage of watching my dad and the multitude of landscapers and nursery owners that trained me in this business make the mistake of barely breaking even with all the overhead. Equipment maintenance, labor costs, fuel, etc... you can’t make any real money and on that I will agree with ya.
I have buddies in this business that beg to differ and perhaps I just don’t know what I’m doing but I solely do landscape/hardscape installation.
Works for me.
Hes not wrong
This man T capping, that’s his son.
haha
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WHO IS THE BEST?
TIGRANO- FROM APPLEWOOD
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I'm not saying he's wrong because I don't know anything about construction but there's some pretty good money where I live in mowing lawns. I started three years ago and have grown about 50 yoy every year with around 20 to 30 percent profit margins. I have invested around 60 to 75k in equipment in those 3 years. All paid for by profits. I'm somewhat part time as I have a full time job also but hopefully not much longer.
Thank you Rabbi Gertz for letting the cattle of the world know their place.
most lawn mowing people do it to help the people that cant do it , not for the money
fair point
@@TigranGertz Yeah idk much about the whole thing since I'm still young but yeah I've watched a few lawn mowing channels and the main reason they do it is for disabled people and the people that are going through something.
Long life to you T , you’re an beast in landscaping 👑
thanks bro...to the top
I agree, I work for a fairly big company, we do hardscape, landscape and lawn. Lawn is on the way out, to many issues and hassle for a minimal amount of money.