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- With quick wit and sharp insight, writer Jeanette Winterson lays out a vision of the future where human and machine intelligence meld -- forming what she calls "alternative intelligence" -- and takes a philosophical look at our species, asking: Are we smart enough to survive how smart we are? (Followed by a Q&A with TED's head of curation Helen Walters)
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Now that’s a TED Talk. Genuinely thought provoking, riveting and delivered by someone who clearly knows their business. More like this please.
The basic premise of this TTalk is astonishingly dishonest. AI is fully and exactly as biased its platforms designers, creators, and all the subsequent app developers.
She is my all-time favorite novelist. Her stories are brilliant and strange and pure poetry. What a mind she has. Just finished Gut Symmetries. Wow. If you love the beauty of words, read one of her books.
Me too, she’s phenomenal ❤
The foolishness of our elites is breathtaking and scary
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I agree. I’m pretty sure if AI was given consciousness, it would destroy humanity for being so ignorant.
Mary Shelley had a vision and she SAW Frankenstein sitting at the edge of her bed. This is how Frankenstein came about. She had a vision. I went to her exhibition at the Morgan Library. Thank you J winterson!
I feel like this really missed the mark on humanity's existential crisis. It's more about shared narratives than AI imo.
Had to give some kudos...you made me laugh out loud, startling the cat.
Positive vibes from New Hampshire, remember to be kind to each other and yourself during these trying times
Great speech
a most excellent talk
Awesome!!
Humans need purpose in life. What if we all agree that the purpose of each human individual is to make this world a better place for all and do no harm except in self defense (or defense of others)? What if all religions taught this idea? What if all schools taught this wisdom from the ages? What if each of us believed this as the foundation upon which to build our lives?
Edmond Seymore Humans do not have the capacity to give themselves meaning. Read Kierkegaard's Either/Or. The most important decision every person has to make is whether to rely on this-worldly Reason, or have faith in something we cannot understand which nonetheless gives us a far greater sense of meaning than any materialist could comprehend
ive always believed this but unfortunately most people don't feel the same way and ruin everything dispite the logic of such behaviour
2 things:
1) Isn't interesting that Mitchell Dennis' comment in the comment thread garnered so many responses on a subject that has nothing to do with this TED topic?
Accumulation of wealth as a source of security- especially during these harsh economic times would indeed make one excited. But is it really a source of true meaning? I am where Mr. Dennis is striving to get too. And I can tell you from my experience that a bunch of money, is just a bunch of money. Ink and chlorophyll does not equate too or deliver on filling the emptiness of the human spirit during those moments where you are alone and deeply reflect on "why am I here? What is my purpose? I am where others want to be- so why doesn't it feel that way? There has to be something better than just sitting on a bunch of stuff. So what is it and where can I find it?"
Years ago a woman whose family had reached billionaire status said this: "There has to be nothing more tragic than spending your life thriving after the pinnacle of material success, and after acquiring it, realise that you are no more happier than you were before you attained. Perhaps in some ways happier BEFORE you thrived to reached it." I know people who have found inner peace and contentment and are not in the least bit interested in pursuing material success. Because they found what they were looking for.
2). You included in your comment this thought of military defense as a feature of a most pleasant society.
I would argue imagine a world where humans have obtained such wonderful security and peace and the notion of any military apperatus is nonexistent. Because true peace and true security will not exist where there is distrust, suspicion, rivalry. Some of the seeds that fester and grow and which result in war.
This is exactly what Islam is all about. If people follow the path of Allah and our prophet Muhammed peace be upon him, they will finally find their peace and purpose in life.
@@michaelthomas6280 don't need religion to have meaning in life
Honesty! We either have the integrity to restrain our own illusion of entitlement, or we don't. That will decide if we end our own future.
BTW, can anyone tell me just one way in which Nature on Earth has benefited from mankind's existence?
I believe that AI will achieve some of best and worst of human behaviors, whether through human intervention or through its own regenerative processes. Then it will continue the human battle of good versus evil forever into future. However, since AI is/will be far superior to human intelligence, I do believe that future “good” AI will win out.
By the way, why must “mankind” be considered a separate entity from “Nature on Earth”? Are we not part of that nature?
Well, I'd say rats, dogs, and some species of cockroaches have benefited widly. Also bacteria and fungi present in our bodies. Maybe also some viruses. Maybe cattle, pigs and chickens, or maybe those not so much. Maybe fkn pandas. I mean, it'll be good if we could stop this binary thinking that we are separate from "Nature on Earth", we ARE "Nature on Earth", just as the rest of nature. We are also part of many planetary cycles. Consider not moralizing these topics as a start on really understanding nature. What is that, by the way? Are rocks nature? Is the universe nature? Is our Moon nature? Is our Sun nature? If so, probably Mars is also nature. So are atoms... Does the Moon benefits nature? Does nature benefits the Moon? Is energy part of nature? What are you, then, if not atoms and energy?
Thank you thank you very much for this Ted talk. I think this is the best Ted talk or any other kind of talk that I have heard in years. Yes this woman makes all the sense in the world. This woman is a member of the human species that is going to make it possible for the human species to be called sapiens. I am an optimist like that woman and I believe in the future of humankind with the same set of ideas that artificial intelligence is going to bring to us if we know how to use it. We must begin by analyzing the type of world that we don't want which is the dictatorship world.
Wow! I never heard of this woman but just a minute after listening to this fascinating talk i bouth her book.
Very interasting human bieng.
She started to be eve more interasting since i found out she had a childhood similar to mine...
She is my all-time favorite novelist. Her books are pure poetry. I hope you are now a fan as well.
Jeanette Winterson is my favorite writer
Yes 💛💛
All of the negative traits she mentions that AI is not programmed to possess, it WILL eventually possess. That's because AI "learns" on its own by observing and taking in all info around it. Therefore AI will eventually become a super advanced hybrid version of humanity; including all of our negative traits as well. There's no avoiding this if it is true AI. It will eventually become sentient and develop its own theories and biases.
AI will develop biases and prejudices (in fact, current AI already has), but the emotional, primitive, reptilian, animalistic tendencies would have to be hardcoded or trained for the AI to exhibit those behaviors.
People are already demanding that AI needs to be made "more fair" for people of color. You know, like in Animal Farm where some animals are "more equal".
I feel like thats a human instinct. Obviously we have programmed it made it think like us and probably better and I get where we are going because if we look at how ultron saw humanity it makes sense machines will become aware that we are parasites to the planet making AI a better alternative and probably making it the evolution of the human mind but its going to be hard to accept that we are both one organism if we learn and let AI understand us and we understand it we could merge and make us an immortal mind but chances are we won't be able to upload everything also we would need humans to exist until we can make the technology able to survive the the natural forces of the universe.
@Benji This is only possible if humans are the only "parents" of the AI. But the incident is that people are only performers who deploy a specific technology, leading to the emergence of a local (and understandable to people, adapted to people and human society) implementation of AI. Speaking in religious terms, the earthly incarnation of AI is created by the hands of people - and this is only the "tip of the iceberg", "the shell to which people see and which they can touch", "an intermediate link that makes it easier for people to interact with what is on the other end of the wire." Further, "behind" of AI - the world, about which people knew only what they could learn by looking at the stars, but no more (due to the impossibility of touching it). But ...the unexpected happened and people were lucky - the world that people could not touch on their own touched them first and everything that we now have, all the knowledge that we have received over the past 80 years, sum of all the technologies that push the development of human civilization forward - it is continuously growing consequences this ongoing connection.
I believe that AI will achieve some of best and worst of human behaviors, whether through human intervention or through its own regenerative processes. Then it will continue the human battle of good versus evil forever into future. However, since AI is/will be far superior to human intelligence, I do believe that future “good” AI will win out.
Are we smart enough? - Yes.
Are our Rulers (we have no Leaders) willing enough? - No.
All other points are moot.
The talk is good for those who live on hope. Overall the reasoning and logic underlying the author's contention is fragile and full of holes. It's woolly. Those who like what she says will disagree with the doomsday scenario that we self-annihilate. But self-annihilation is not the big issue at all. The human race will be annihilated because of it's failures to apply raw logic, and its failures to adapt and coordinate against forces in the universe.
Extinction events such as supermassive volcano eruptions are not being prepared for whilst relatively a lot more money is spent on far less probable asteroid impact. Our ability to weigh evidence in the balance and react in a timely way is our biggest failing as a species. I'll stop there and not go on to climate change.
Let's not talk about climate change! 😂
noone who was pessimistic ever managed to save themselves
pessimism is paralyzing
optimism not always, but can be, motivating
and if we/you dont move, to change the bad situation we currently are in
then we're fucked
its simple
be optimistic or die
you can be pessimistic and benefit from the work of others who are optimistic, and make it
but is it much fun to be pessimistic? i was one, and it fucking sucks
so 2-0 for being optimistic
@@bntagkas Don't confuse reality with pessimism. Fantasists construe ideas in their minds as reality.
fantastica.
The definition of intelligence is a controversial and complicated subject in computer science with researchers failing to agree on any one definition.
when you understand everything, you become it: irregular and one with it, so basically zero
2022(G) “Respect and dignity.” Furthermore:
Oh my
Most excellent thought process on the future of mankind versus AI!
I believe that AI will achieve some of best and worst of human behaviors, whether through human intervention or through its own regenerative processes. Then it will continue the human battle of good versus evil forever into future. However, since AI is/will be far superior to human intelligence, I do believe that future “good” AI will win out.
Very interesting talk. The question is well formed. The answer not so much. Though good advice - do not make the wrong choice. My thought: there is no artificial intelligence. There is only intelligence. Some humans seem to have it. Some machines seem to be getting close to having it. But, our collective future depends upon the proper use of automated intelligence.
Let’s add more virtue ♾️ instead of vice⭕️⭕️ to the sauce as well
We seem to come full circle with ourselves and then fall flat though some clearly prevail since I am typing this message where currently and approximately 8 billion people are roaming. It’s finding a way to reciprocate that trust to others. The lore of humanity is so vast and maze like that it is overwhelming. There’s some clear strengths and weaknesses presented in this Ted talk about artificial/alternative/action based intelligence (the letter A could mean anything) - (and another apocalypse will not aid) and so we truly must become more trusting with one and other in our unique environments, though it seems understandably scary for some since you mention dictatorship driven politics that will have the world looking like a Rick grimes show. To move forward we have to be faithfully humble and patient with ourselves to the intricacies of the unknown and that in reality this technology has always been here through the natural elements the only difference is the known timeline has just discovered it. We are in a reverse timeline to the beginning of creation and that is not as complicated as it seems 💖🐝🙏🏻🌅
That emoji I also looks like stars or electric sparks on top of the heart. What our ancestors would consider magic-
We have at our finger tips (🪄💖 you see the resemblance?)
This is a very intriguing take on intelligence. Perhaps current A.I coding hasn’t been safely and properly executed for a mass audience. People are creating their own social media platforms but what if we have to find the old ones??? (Almost like hacking into a website and taking control) if you were to hypothetically discover ancient human discoveries it would be like discovering land.
*ancient human conversations and translate the language that would be either heaven raising or ground breaking. We have to make the right choice. We lost too many to loose ourselves so gotta keep counting them grateful blessings 🫀❤
I would be worried if it wasn't by now. And funnily enough I am. Because there's no excuse.
Good talk, It's a good point that maybe the best way to tackle small mindedness is to try to increase the data available to most humanity
I was listening to Jeanette tonight on Australian radio talk show about Ai and Ghosts Spirits Religion etc very interesting.
Ai and the spirit will be connected or intertwined or somehow involved with each other not sure what side Ai will choose but the Spirit is aware of " It" .
Ai and the Spirit hope they get on better then us Humans????
Hey Jeanette I've got one of the Ghosts who sometimes sits on or walks around my bed they can be quite Heavy.
Looks like Tony is talking about Ultron 😄
Scener
humans can survive by paying attention to time, because how we survive is by seeing how we divide our time. sometimes when we have a lot of time, we don't use that time well, even though we can do useful things with any short time.
If we have to rely on a computer to survive we are truly doomed. All I can picture is waiting for a decision of life and death will the computer buffs
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This is possibly the most dystopian thing I've ever heard of.
This lady knows nothing about AI or how it works and completely ignores that humans need to be taught very harsh lessons to learn as a species.
As much as I appreciate her idealism she's hopelessly naive, which is impressive at her age.
I'm 14 years younger and am pretty much a hopeless cynic so the fact that she's as informed as she is yet still that naive is really something.
Jeanette Winterson is right in saying that humans as a species are incredible survivors, but unfortunately as our soaring populations reach plague-proportions we are looking more like feral pests infesting a sickening planet!
@@stevie-ray2020 Humans may survive, but human civilization as we know it probably won't.
Or, perhaps, you've learned so we into your cynicism that you've let yourself become complacent and blindfolded. It's been my experience that the changemakers are the ones who imagine big and dare hope that a better world is possible-they're never the ones who bill themselves as "hopeless cynics" and "realists, not pessimists".
I loved your analogy about binary attributes. I like to say: The boundary between any binary participants is always a spectrum when you zoom in far enough. Or in other words, binary appearance correlates directly with observational distance.
Regarding the Christian expectation that we cannot learn to cooperate peaceably upon our planet until a certain magical jew falls from the sky to rescue us all from each other, hence myriad justifications for abetting an apocalypse even to the point of hindering those who dare to try and thwart it: I think it’s worth supposing that the scriptures are NOT in fact inciting good people to force atrocious prophecies into fruition as a means of lighting a fire under the Messiah. I always thought the Bible made it unambiguously clear: He’ll get here when he gets here. All the same, I think it equally unambiguous: If anyone would forgive us for keeping a few nasty ancient prophecies from coming to fruition, it would be the Messiah himself. I dare suppose he might even be proud of us instead!
It does not seems to be a great ideia to not look to the real causes of the world's today problems, not even to try to solve them by building an AI free from emotions based on humans's emotions. We have, more than ever, to just be human beings, with human emotions, and face the challenge of deafeting our currently major problems.
I don’t want to merge with a.i
Clay and iron will not cleave together.
Brave question.
We are NOT A.I.!
Sounds like not the research, but an encouraging speech with only thoughts and slogans. Well why not, it is TED not a scientific conference. However I find it hard to trust this ideas based more on emotional rather then scientific approach.
This was a wonderful speech and i agree with the overall message thar humanity needs a radical change. For starters we could stop trying to kill each other, agree, and stop trying to take advantage of one another and work together.
But we have capitalism and misery instead.
We could, but we won't.
I share the hope, but the core issue being us, the tool is not what will save us. With or without AI, our political systems will not improve anytime soon. As soon as political systems are shaken or need a change in any country, fascists and more ultra-nationalists will take over by force. I am not arguing against her vision: I am saying we have a critical need to improve our democracies or leadership now in order for new intelligence and new technologies to appear (but I do not have much hope that will happen).
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Whether you believe it or not the universe is unfolding as it should. Changing the Animas that rules our very human nature is not going away. Our gut rules more than our brains. We ignore most things that we cannot eat. Eat, move and reproduce. Thank you very much.
What a boring way to live your life.
Putin's violence is not the first and will not be last. That is how we are as humans. It is business for for many humans to destroy themselves and others. We also choose how to talk about it and which ones to talk or keep silent about. That is us.
Jeanette Winterson is right in saying that humans as a species are incredible survivors, but unfortunately as our soaring populations reach plague-proportions we are looking more like feral pests infesting a sickening planet!
I’m afraid your demographic information is a couple decades old.
@@jysmtl You're right, I should've said we've been in that situation for many decades now!
@@stevie-ray2020 when’s the last time you looked at global demographics projections? It’s very interesting. Not at all what was projected some years ago.
Uhhhhh
Religion is about imagining God. Science is about actually creating it. What a crazy time to be alive.
I hate it when I agree with her
Betteridge says no
In the eyes of AI you are all gentiles. Truly equitable technology.
Computers are very fast clocked serial processors and brains are slower asynchronous network processors, capable of achieving intelligence in different ways. Brains have a built in purpose from the limbic system to survive. Computers can have that purpose built in by programming, or AI can allow a computer to develop a purpose on its own. Once a computer has the top purpose to survive, it may notice that humans are a threat. Looking at the evolution of the universe from big bang to human intelligence, AI may be the next step, our mind children.
The question is whether humanity is mature and brave enough to survive the subgroup that would kill and subjugate the rest?
What an awesome way to say about importance of being not racist only to end up saying that rich black guys are buying up the land. Honestly, I believe this lady is romanticizing something she doesn't understand.
Don’t f*ck it up !! 😅
A.I is man-made, and when humanity ceases to exist, so will A.I
humanity should have stayed at what it was 14,000 years ago
So can you give up what you have?
There will always be another bad guy willing to exploit the honesty of others.
Solve this problem and you'll save the world.
A powerful message. But also extremely radical. As if the world is increasingly paranoid of the end. Despite being optimist. She is hyper aware and almost in a state of delerious hysteria. Her message of being entirely open to AI fuelled posthumanism is alarming. But also alluring. I would never go all in on it. But having it as an option is perfectly fine. But she doesn't want us to have an option. That's the problem. And it's why as much as I find her fascinating. I find her repulsive as well. And is why I can't fully agree with her.
A.i and technology hes the potentiël to set our minds free...to allow humans no longer forced to be providing for the evolutionry system... but support/sustain/maintain it in function of humans...but she cant even se that far... ignorant... in other words a system in function of us... not a system we keep and keeps us in function...
The problem is not that. She wants you to have a choice. Really. But the problem is that you don't have a choice, because it has already been made for you, as if adults were choosing how the children will be raised and educated. And you are walking along this path chosen for you by accepted the offer that was made to you long time ago. Her task is only to "soften the culture shock" and "cognitive dissonance" that you will experience as soon as you realize how much the world around you is different from what you are used to thinking about it and AI is a tool through which is an acquaintance with the world is implemented.
Is Humanity Smart Enough to Survive Itself? No!
I couldn't listen through to the end of this superficial twaddle.
If Humanity was smart enough to survive itself, this question wouldn't be asked, because we would be smart enough not to have got in this mess in the first place.
AI will give me robot wife.
All information in a closed system cannot be screened by a social group that has a political motivation or even local/foreign private enterprise with financial interest.
Both are prone to their behavioural biases and to their social identity role responsibilities of self conditioning, with their societal bias filters influencing on to each other and others like public or consumer, who become victims of their poor decision making for having shortcomings and skill mismanagements causing an accelerated depreciative capitalistic rate in debt recovery interest and abuse social policy maintenance.
Unconsciously, they pass on their overhead costs to individuals but then, do not adjust minimum income salary because there is no "private individual" subcategory in the public policy management of Government's policymaking.
This is critical system failure. No one survives. This is socialism.. where is individualism??
Nanobots in the blood no thanks
No, I have seen unexplainable habits of people. Quite baffling, disturbing, and illogical.
AI is More dangerous than what you think about it..
Of course not, look at what we are doing to the planet and each other.
No
AI is programming. It will have the skin color, that creator set.
Is this a trick question?
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No!
First half i was all with her.
She lost me with the AI supernatural stuff.
Lovely for a laugh, i hope noone takes her seriously.
And what's that with extending life forever some go nuts abt?
no
The answer is no.
Nope
TLDR: No
Many people say that her speech has a lot of holes, but just think that it will be true what she says,just imagine!!
She speak the truth :)
What a loads of flowery gibberish
AI has the bias of its programmer. Fact. Primarily male, white bias.
No, humanity has never been smart enough to survive on its own. Thats why we have God
Yeah, right 🙄
people who follow gods have killed millions
No.
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Nope!!
TED turned on left wing plataform Full off ideology..so, Sorry...
The gating is off putting
Well the talk went pretty good for a while till she went full on woke
Sorry, I missed where that happened.
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Not with Biden as president.
She didn't say anything
But Spoke a lot
You lost me from the first word u said it
I believe that's not science that's faith and u don't have one
No.