Yeah I'd say the first group is 4.0 at best and that's being generous, however the other group in Florida are probably all legit 5.0+ DUPR rated players 5.5 if I had to guess they were all super solid. Great video, hopefully I can record some of my 4.5 league games one of these days and get you to pick me apart.
I have noticed differences at what is supposed to be the same level, simply playing and/or watching, at different facilities across town so the variance here is not that surprising - could be another 5.0 game across town in Houston is actually 5.0 and some other game across town in Florida similar to the Texas players. Clearly these two groups are on completely different levels though. Compared to what I have seen around here, I would put the Texas players in the 3.25-3.5 level and the players in Florida around 4.5 to 5.0. All based on limited information. Your analysis of these games is great though, good insights and fun to watch and listen!
For the most part i think your critique was spot on, but I think the guy in the Texas close court was just kind of casually holding onto his paddle as the game was starting, he doesn't look nearly so choked up on it during the rest of the video.
How hilarious! A bucket and a water bottle sitting in my way of any ATP attempt? What kind a 5.0 players would sabotage themselves like this? I'm a 4.0 (supposedly), and try to reserve the Pro or Championship courts at our new indoor facility, as they have larger outside perimeters for more aggressive play and shot attempts, just sayin'. Love your pick a parts Rory!
There's a guy by the name of Callan Dawson who's not bad. He puts his index finger up on the back of the paddle. Might not quite be 5.0 though...need to check his DUPR :/ Same thing for a dude called Tyler Loong. Need to check on that one too. Also, Eastern vs Continental has nothing to do with whether you hold the paddle high up toward the face or down at the end of the handle. Those distinctions are based on which bevel your first index finger knuckle rests on. Side bevel: Eastern. Angled bevel (one over from top): Continental.
I totally know about the bevel thing. I still think if you are using a continental or eastern grip, it's better to have the butt of the handle in the padding of your palm.
Good comparison, Rory. The TX team with the bearded guy ... 3.25+. The other TX team ... 3.5+. Each FL team ... 4.0, with encouraging streaks suggesting 4.25. I'm not sure these teams "claimed" to be 5.0. The tourney they entered may have moved the teams up (or down) based on numbers of entrants. There's a few pros -- who play pro tourneys who run their finger up the paddle face. (I think of that as more of a table tennis grip.) As odd as it appears to we ex-tennis players, some very good picklers do use such a grip.
Saying the Florida players are 4.0 is a wild take but aight, either you have no clue what you are talking about or you are 6.0+ and jaded as hell, cuz those players were beyond solid.
Once again you're proving my opinion of DUPR--the matches were night and day. DUPR may work at the pro tour level but it's just not reliable otherwise.
There are players with inflated ratings and players who sandbag in every state in the country. These particular players from Texas have inflated ratings. The players on the far court from Texas were better than the players on the near court, but neither team from Texas was 5.0.
I imagine you could find better 5.0 players in Texas. Feels like ratings have had inflation similar to the economy. A year ago I would have said the Texas group were maybe solid 3.5s but with inflation they get to 4.0. Florida group looks solid. Rory should take his huge youtube income and get the two groups playing each other. That would be pretty definitive. I would watch it.
I think it would be nice to have teams from different areas, with the same DUPR play each other to see who comes out on top. Texas is a major pickleball state, producing numerous top players. Rory must have found a local club tournament with bottom of the barrel teams to showcase. Lol
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 if you do a youtube search for "anna leigh waters" there's even a thumbnail of her on the 5th search result. I was shocked too. But she does.
I say a lot of female players do that. Especially when hitting a third shot into the kitchen or resetting the ball. Not sure why they do it. Thanks for watching.
We dont know the actuall skill level of the players...people are allowed to play up. I'm rated 3.5, but i have played in 4.5 and "open" level tournaments. I've also seen pros playing in 5.0.
Players are allowed to play up. I know a girl rated 3.5, who played Pro at an APP event. The "weak" players are at a local gym, and the "strong" players are playing for a medal in a huge sanctioned tournament. Not the same! I like your pick-a-parts, but you always seem to compare very different scenarios that tell us nothing except some teams are stronger than others.
Absolutely legal. With the exception of the recent PPA Masters experiment, you are allowed to toss the ball as high as you want (no spin) on a volley serve.
I'm not sure either match is 5.0? Just for fun, look up Briones Pickelball, 5.0 dinkers vs 5.0 bangers, who will win? They are having fun!! Jordan Briones is one of the best coaches on u tube. used to play pro.
The beard court are more like 4.0. In my area the 4.5 are very very good. If you inflate your ratings, people good will see right through it. You shouldn't lie for egos sake. If you're a 4.0 but you look athletic, you're still a 4.0.
I think the finger behind the paddle is just a choked up eastern grip. I played like that until I forced myself to slide my grip down the paddle. I gained a ton of whip off the paddle, with less physical effort involved. Some added reach too, probably two to three inches. I switch to continental grip at the net, and for backhands. The hard part about giving up the finger behind the paddle is the loss of stability and control that finger provides. I was wild for a while but stuck with it till I regained control. Be all you can be...just slide down that grip and smash that ball like never before.
Thanks so much for pointing that out. I see more and more players using the finger grip. They just don't know how much better an eastern or continental grip is.
First group was terrible. Is it possible you picked their points before they warmed up and just randomly got the worst of their play? Second group is legit good.
This is one of the best Analysis I have seen in a long time, great learning experience
Thanks for the kind words. I really appreciate it.
Yeah I'd say the first group is 4.0 at best and that's being generous, however the other group in Florida are probably all legit 5.0+ DUPR rated players 5.5 if I had to guess they were all super solid. Great video, hopefully I can record some of my 4.5 league games one of these days and get you to pick me apart.
I'd be happy too. Thanks for watching.
I have noticed differences at what is supposed to be the same level, simply playing and/or watching, at different facilities across town so the variance here is not that surprising - could be another 5.0 game across town in Houston is actually 5.0 and some other game across town in Florida similar to the Texas players. Clearly these two groups are on completely different levels though. Compared to what I have seen around here, I would put the Texas players in the 3.25-3.5 level and the players in Florida around 4.5 to 5.0. All based on limited information. Your analysis of these games is great though, good insights and fun to watch and listen!
Thanks for the nice compliment and thanks for watching.
For the most part i think your critique was spot on, but I think the guy in the Texas close court was just kind of casually holding onto his paddle as the game was starting, he doesn't look nearly so choked up on it during the rest of the video.
Thanks for watching and thanks for your comment.
How hilarious! A bucket and a water bottle sitting in my way of any ATP attempt? What kind a 5.0 players would sabotage themselves like this? I'm a 4.0 (supposedly), and try to reserve the Pro or Championship courts at our new indoor facility, as they have larger outside perimeters for more aggressive play and shot attempts, just sayin'. Love your pick a parts Rory!
Haha. I did not even notice that. Not like they were going to attempt n ATP. Thanks for liking my videos and thanks for watching.
If they are 5.0, so am I! Cool!
I know! Me, too! Thanks for watching.
Pickleball Dunning-Kruger effect going on in Texas.
I had to look that up. It pretty much sums it up. Glad I learned something today. Thanks for watching.
There's a guy by the name of Callan Dawson who's not bad. He puts his index finger up on the back of the paddle. Might not quite be 5.0 though...need to check his DUPR :/
Same thing for a dude called Tyler Loong. Need to check on that one too.
Also, Eastern vs Continental has nothing to do with whether you hold the paddle high up toward the face or down at the end of the handle. Those distinctions are based on which bevel your first index finger knuckle rests on. Side bevel: Eastern. Angled bevel (one over from top): Continental.
I totally know about the bevel thing. I still think if you are using a continental or eastern grip, it's better to have the butt of the handle in the padding of your palm.
Good comparison, Rory. The TX team with the bearded guy ... 3.25+. The other TX team ... 3.5+.
Each FL team ... 4.0, with encouraging streaks suggesting 4.25.
I'm not sure these teams "claimed" to be 5.0. The tourney they entered may have moved the teams up (or down) based on numbers of entrants.
There's a few pros -- who play pro tourneys who run their finger up the paddle face. (I think of that as more of a table tennis grip.) As odd as it appears to we ex-tennis players, some very good picklers do use such a grip.
At higher levels some do, most do not. Thanks for your opinion and thanks for watching.
Saying the Florida players are 4.0 is a wild take but aight, either you have no clue what you are talking about or you are 6.0+ and jaded as hell, cuz those players were beyond solid.
@@evannatteford1784 I'm a 4.31. Thanks for your thoughts.
Once again you're proving my opinion of DUPR--the matches were night and day. DUPR may work at the pro tour level but it's just not reliable otherwise.
100% correct!!!
Florida clearly a different level. Now I was still impressed with the other group but at least a ranking lower imo.
Yeah I agree. Thanks for watching.
The Texas group looks more like 3.5-4.0 play. Fla looked like 5.0.
Nice analysis! I agree. Thanks for watching.
There are players with inflated ratings and players who sandbag in every state in the country. These particular players from Texas have inflated ratings. The players on the far court from Texas were better than the players on the near court, but neither team from Texas was 5.0.
I agree. Thanks for watching.
That is NOT a frying pan grip. Riley Newman often is in a frying pan grip to be ready to scorpion counter attack.
We're just going to have to disagree. I'll have to watch Riley. I doubt if he uses that the entire time he plays. Thanks for your comment.
OK, so maybe frying pan grip is no totally accurate. Maybe ping-pong grip?
I imagine you could find better 5.0 players in Texas. Feels like ratings have had inflation similar to the economy. A year ago I would have said the Texas group were maybe solid 3.5s but with inflation they get to 4.0. Florida group looks solid. Rory should take his huge youtube income and get the two groups playing each other. That would be pretty definitive. I would watch it.
If I could do that, I bet on the players in Florida. Thanks for watching.
I think it would be nice to have teams from different areas, with the same DUPR play each other to see who comes out on top. Texas is a major pickleball state, producing numerous top players. Rory must have found a local club tournament with bottom of the barrel teams to showcase. Lol
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 Yeah, I would bet the bank on Florida.
You guys must have forgot; EVERYTHING is bigger in TX! GOD, Guns & Gumbo
Lots of good players in Texas for sure, it has a huge pickleball scene. Those players however are not it.
Anna Leigh Waters actually puts her finger on the paddle. Hard to believe but it's true. And Callan Dawson does as well.
I'm going to have to go watch her. I never noticed she did. Thanks.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 if you do a youtube search for "anna leigh waters" there's even a thumbnail of her on the 5th search result. I was shocked too. But she does.
In Houston, the lady in the near court raises her left foot when she hits the ball from the baseline.
I say a lot of female players do that. Especially when hitting a third shot into the kitchen or resetting the ball. Not sure why they do it. Thanks for watching.
We dont know the actuall skill level of the players...people are allowed to play up. I'm rated 3.5, but i have played in 4.5 and "open" level tournaments. I've also seen pros playing in 5.0.
The title of the video clearly states, 5.0. Thanks for watching.
Players are allowed to play up. I know a girl rated 3.5, who played Pro at an APP event. The "weak" players are at a local gym, and the "strong" players are playing for a medal in a huge sanctioned tournament. Not the same! I like your pick-a-parts, but you always seem to compare very different scenarios that tell us nothing except some teams are stronger than others.
Is the First Woman serving (2nd Group) at 4:00 have an illegal serve? She throws the Ball Up.
I kind of noticed that as well. I think it's a close call. I'm not 100% sure it's illegal.
Absolutely legal. With the exception of the recent PPA Masters experiment, you are allowed to toss the ball as high as you want (no spin) on a volley serve.
I'm not sure either match is 5.0? Just for fun, look up Briones Pickelball, 5.0 dinkers vs 5.0 bangers, who will win? They are having fun!! Jordan Briones is one of the best coaches on u tube. used to play pro.
I'm very familiar with his channel. I'll take a look. Thanks.
3.5 at best in Houston. Court movement is atrocious as well.
If that is true, why do they claim to be 5.0? I know there are very good 5.0 players at PALA. This isn't them.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 No idea. Their form is poor as well. Lack a smoothness that skilled players should have.
The beard court are more like 4.0. In my area the 4.5 are very very good. If you inflate your ratings, people good will see right through it. You shouldn't lie for egos sake. If you're a 4.0 but you look athletic, you're still a 4.0.
Exactly. Also, a lot of people just think because players can hit the ball hard they are 5.0. Simply not true. Thanks for watching.
I think the finger behind the paddle is just a choked up eastern grip. I played like that until I forced myself to slide my grip down the paddle. I gained a ton of whip off the paddle, with less physical effort involved. Some added reach too, probably two to three inches. I switch to continental grip at the net, and for backhands. The hard part about giving up the finger behind the paddle is the loss of stability and control that finger provides. I was wild for a while but stuck with it till I regained control. Be all you can be...just slide down that grip and smash that ball like never before.
Thanks so much for pointing that out. I see more and more players using the finger grip. They just don't know how much better an eastern or continental grip is.
Illegal serve when the ball tossed up.
I'm assuming you're talking about the female player in the green skirt in Florida. It's a close call. I'm going to assume it is legal.
These people in the first video are 3.5/4.0 at best…. That’s being nice too.
Yes. I'm not sure why they consider themselves 5.0. Thanks for watching.
I’m 3.5 working my way up….my partner and I would beat both of these teams in Texas I would bet. 🤷🏻♂️
Keep working. Good job. I think you probably could.
First group was terrible. Is it possible you picked their points before they warmed up and just randomly got the worst of their play? Second group is legit good.
What you saw is how most of the game looked. If there as bad as you think they are, how can they claim to be 5.0?
Self rated 5.0 players?
I have no idea. That's what they titled. Thanks for watching.