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What's My Line? - Irene Dunne; Jim Backus [panel] (Oct 20, 1957)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ส.ค. 2014
- MYSTERY GUEST: Irene Dunne
PANEL: Dorothy Kilgallen, Jim Backus, Arlene Francis, Bennett Cerf
Many thanks to epaddon for providing his copy of this episode!
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The corset fitter had the most amazing personality I’ve ever seen on the show.
That was beautiful yodeling the first guest did
my great aunt irene Dunne , amazing footage , thanks
She had a wonderful presence on screen.
My all time favorite actress! Best ever, and a wonderful human being also!
She's so beautiful and classy!
Wonderful lady! Lucky to have known her!
Did you get to know her Dylan?
Happy 50 Birthday Arlene Francis ...A class act!
wow!! Miss Palmer is so absolutely beautifull!! And Seems like a wonderfull humanbeing!
She is!!!!
Wow, Irene Dunne looks magnificent! She still has that adorable way ot speaking that endears me to her so much. Love her.
I doubt we will ever see such great Actresses ever grace the Silver Screen again! She was a marvelous Actress and more importantly a marvelous person.
Beautiful
I absolutely love Irene Dunne's understated but yet overwhelmingly elegant attire. She was at the time of this broadcast five years retired from making feature films and was actively engaged in the second act of her life, one devoted to good works and good deeds. To have been named by Eisenhower as an alternate delegate to the UN was indeed an honor. Her work on behalf of St. John's Hospital in Santa Monica is carried on to this day via The Irene Dunne Guild, the hospital's official fundraising arm. She also, with her husband of almost forty years, founded the Francis D. and Irene D. Griffin Foundation which I believe is still active.
Betsy Drake aka Mrs Cary Grant and her best friend Amanda Dunne aka Mrs Phillip Dunne use to call her the nun-Dunn cause she alway played being so pure but I guess she wasn't. We All Have skeletons in our closet.
Never knew these facts before, thanks for the contribution
@@jad5945 I find that snide critics are actually the ones with the skeletons.
Irene Dunne - a beauty who put others before herself - always
Always glad to be reminded of Jim Backus. Among comedians turned character actor, he places high as James Dean's dad in 'Rebel without a Cause'- for its time, a brave portrayal of a henpecked, emasculated male trying to do the right thing for his kin and striking out.
At the moment of Irene Dunne's previous MG spot, 1953, she had faced the fading of her time in films. By 1957 she was into a second career as an emissary of American culture at the UN, laying a trail for Shirley Temple to follow.
Miss Palmer is gorgeous! Wow.
She was pretty but it was more than just her looks, she had a real sparkling personality and charm.
Magnuson Bucher's yodeling was very pleasant to listen to...
Bennett Cerf was an amazingly well informed man of great insight and intelligence. Combine that with his personal charm and quick sense of humor really make him a champ.
I agree with everything you said about Bennett Cerf. But I would also add that I always felt that he had a very kind and gentle-sounding voice. He & Dorothy were my 2 favorites on this show.
oh Gawd....
@@Baskerville22indeed Bennett was often snippy with his responses - especially after being wrong. It’s painful to watch some of his interactions.
Bennett was never mean or snippy. In fact when ever he got a no he would smile.
Love Ms. Dunne in all her movies...one of the most fascinating and talented actresses that this nation has been blessed with...."Life With Father" with William Powell is one of her best movies I enjoy the most.
The 1940 census has a Geraldine Palmer born in Moreau New York in 1932. If this is her, that would make her 26 when this show was aired.
Irene Dunne was a very great actress. She appeared in so many excellent films.
You'd never get that idea from seeing her here, but she was a fabulous movie presence. If you haven't already, see "The Awful Truth." You'll never regret it.
The second contestant was exceptionally pretty!
Jim Backus gives Dorothy a kiss on the cheek after helping him with guessing the MG Irene Dunne. 19:55
The yodeler was marvelous!
Such class, respect & fun.
On the bright side, Hal Block was not around to ask Miss Dunne embarrassing questions about her age.
soulierinvestments Oh, if he had, I don't think she would mind. Her age wasn't any secret, and when someone looks that good close to 60, they ought to be proud of it, rather than deny their age. At least, I wouldn't ;)
Boy, Ms. Geradine Palmer...what a beauty.
Irene Dunne is one of the great Actresses of the Golden Age of Hollywood. One of my favorite movies she starred in was "Penny Serenade" with Cary Grant to name just one. "Showboat" is another one of the movies she starred in directed by the great James Whale.
That corset segment was hilarious 😂 and that lady was very gracious and had beautiful handwriting.
I liked her a lot, she was absolutely gorgeous with very good stage presence.
Agree, she was an absolute gem that lit up the screen.
Irene Dunne was 58 years and 8 months the day this was aired, and WOW!
SuperWinterborn She looks fantastic, yes. Sometimes I wonder if the B&W kinescope films are perhaps flattering to aging stars, since you can't possibly make out details like fine wrinkles. So many older stars look fantastic in their WML appearances.
What's My Line? I've been pondering about this myself, and I think it was the lighting. Light from certain angles can be very flattering, both to old and young, and professional photographers have known it for years. (I guess the producers might have had some sort of a deal with their invited celebrities concerning this) But even then, Ms Dunne would have looked younger than many of her age. The reason was simply that she had that kind of face! Arlene is older than Dorothy, and even have more wrinkles, but seems to be younger, and Bennett who's the oldest of them all, doesn't seem to age at all, at least very slowly.
I agree, she looks fantastic. I have seen other actresses on this show of a similar age and not one looks as good as Irene does here.
She had porcelain skin...look up her early movies like My Favorite Wife...which BTW IS still pretty freaking hysterical if you ask me & you'll see how she looked at she was about 25 or maybe 30 yrs younger. You'd expect to see more wrinkles. Rosalind Russell was the same way if you can find her episode and she's ANOTHER actress with OVER 30 QUALITY movies. They just had amazing skin to begin with so even tho it's decades later, they still look great. 😁
Women like Irene Dunne...a lost species...
The second contestant, Miss Palmer, addressed the panel by their names. I don't think I've heard that before.
Joe Postove It has happened 2-3 times, but I don't remember in which episodes.
Probably because she was quite young and back then it was natural to respect one's elders.
I liked that she did.
I've enjoyed seeing and hearing about history, entertainment, and people's lives during the 50's and 60's during my childhood. So different from my adulthood! 🙂
Miss Palmer. Wow!
I will see your Wow! and raise you a va-va-VOOM!
At 12:25 Dorothy's question to the corsetiere must be one of the biggest laughs she ever got- enough to make Arlene envious.
thought it was clever of Ms Dunne to reply in several languages: “Si, No, Ja, Oui, Ja, Si”, inasmuch as she was the U.S. Delegate to the United Nations.
Bennet Surf nailed it with yodeling! How in the world did he ever come up with that?
Irene Dunne all-time favorite of mine!
Happy Birthday to those born on this day the Sunday the program aired . You would be 63 years old today .
Talented and beautiful
Irene Dunne is one of the very few female stars of the golden age who starred in almost every genre of film: screwball comedies, musicals, weepies, dramas, romance, westerns, thrillers, historical dramas
What's my line?😊
So crazy to think that the United Nations was only 12 years old at this point!
Not only that. Back then it was a good thing.
In her 1953 WML appearance Miss Dunne adopted a comic persona, right down to the kooky hat and gloves. But four years later, she is discussing a serious matter--the UN. She was appointed by President Eisenhower as an alternate delegate to the 1957-58 General Assembly. He could not have picked a better, more well-respected spokesperson. She is so divinely chic here. The understated elegance of her attire is timeless. I like the way she morphs into different accents in order to try to fool the panel. She conjures up images of Marta Hanson from "I Remember Mama".
Hoover Dam (formerly called Boulder Dam) is on the Arizona-Nevada border and nowhere near Boulder, Colorado. However, Hoover Dam is close to Boulder City, Nevada. Boulder City started as a collection of houses where the construction workers on the dam lived during its approximately six years of construction. Those who work at Hoover Dam on an ongoing basis to this day typically live in Boulder City, which nowadays has a population of 15,000 or so. It's just over 800 miles and a drive of nearly 13 hours between Boulder, Colorado and Boulder City, Nevada.
I was stunned when John Daly showed a lack of geographical knowledge at that point in the program. Boulder/Hoover Dam was a major engineering marvel of the 20th century and should have been well known to him. Perhaps he was confused for a moment because it is built on the Colorado River. Even so, it is nowhere near Colorado. Furthermore, it is not too far from Las Vegas where John had gone a few times over the years during his run on WML so far to view nuclear tests not too far from Vegas. The dam and the lake it forms (Lake Mead) are popular tourist attractions for anyone staying in Vegas.
It's a forgivable gaff. I think if he had more than one second to think about it, he'd had gotten it right. Boulder, Colorado, Boulder City, Boulder Dam -- it would confuse anyone.
Miss Dunne was one of my favourite actresses and her perfect partner was Cary Grant.
My Favorite Wife!
Was there ever an actress whose perfect partner was not Cary Grant?
And she was his perfect partner
@@mrsstewart3095 Ingrid Bergman and Grace Kelly were at least as good a partner for him, and there were others as well.
socks Katherine Hepburn was tops with all their stunts and pratfalls.
Irene Dunne is from were I from Louisville Kentucky she's burry at Cave Hill Cemetery. A legendary actress 🎥🍿😍
Irene Dunne, sweet
I was 15 days old when this episode aired.
videri57 I was much older than you! 7.
I was 15 years old.
I was 13 days old.
I was but a gleam in Dad's eye.
I was 3 yrs away.
I’m literally watching right now Penny Serenade which I paused to check Irene Dunne on TH-cam and see what she was like after acting.
Love Irene Dunne. A real class act ♥️
It's wonderful to hear her talk about the great work of the United Nations, especially their work related to refugees. While this tape is over 60 years old, the issues she mentions are still as relevant as ever. Irene Dunne was one of the greatest stars of old Hollywood, but she was also a forward-thinking philanthropist.
A lovely lady, I think she looks as well if not better than in the 1953 episode, her hair maybe makes her look older in this one - her dress in this one is fabulous and much better than in the earlier show.
She's beautiful!
Sorry for the misspelling. Magnus Bucher's yodeling was very pleasant to listen to...
Irene Dunne starring in I Remember Mama --so moving
Jim Backus was one of a small group of people who appeared as WML guest panelist in the 1950s, the 1960s, and the 1970s.
TV was a strange medium, particularly in the 1960s. Backus had three seasons of success in "Gilligan's Island," which makes sense only from a post-modernistic existential point of view interpretation. Then he was cast as "J C Dithers" in the live action version of "Blondie," arguably the most popular comic strip of that period -- and it lasted at most a season. Go figure popular taste.
He was also the "I" of "I Married Joan" in the '50s, but that wasn't really a hit show either. That one also lasted. . . three years.
soulierinvestments "Blondie" was absolutey one of the best comic strips from that time. Good quality!
I've seen a few I Married Joan episodes and it was not exactly the funniest thing in the time period.
He was also Mr. Magoo.
I grew up on Gilligan’s Island reruns, after school and before dinner. Still adore this show.
I think John got Mr. Bucher's place of residence, Boulder, Colorado, mistakenly near Hoover Dam due to the fact that the original name of Hoover Dam ( in Southern Nevada on the Colorado River,) was Boulder Dam.
Actually the original is Hoover Dam.
As others have pointed out, John was mistaken in believing that the Hoover Dam was in Boulder, Colorado. He also made another gaffe. After Irene Dunne, at 21:42 he said "Let's see what we can do with a final panelist", obviously meaning a final contestant. This is not a knock at John: he was remarkable (except on biology and sometimes geography). I can't imagine that the show would have succeeded without him.
'It has to be conceded that within the accustomed guidelines of this programme, Mr Daly's words contained an element of misspeaking.'
That Miss Palmer is a pip!
maynardsmoreland "Pip"? Now I've heard that too... What linguistic education haven't I got on these pages! (But yes, she was beautiful! ;)
SuperWinterborn Maybe she was a real piperoo :-)
Bambi Harris ;D
@@Bambi_Harris_Author Yup...pip IS Northern speak for Bless hee heart! LOL! 😉😂 #BrooklynBornLIRaisedBaby
Martin Gable gave her a Baby Grand , being naughty with class
Got
Bennett Cerf got it! Those regular panelists were really smart!
Love that Arlenes birthday was so close to mine. Almost exactly 3 yrs before I was born.
Boy, the panel and the host were out to lunch in the first half of this episode. It began with John Daly thinking that Hoover Dam was somewhere near Boulder Co, and ended with some of the worst questioning ever seen on the show with the girdle tester. They were also clueless with the guy who ran the yodeling school. Good thing they had an easy mark with Irene Dunne to get their momentum back.
Looking at some of her old films she was a doll....who was intelligent and funny
Had Miss Dunne just said "no" to Arlene's question "Are you part of the entertainment world" instead of saying "not at present", I'm sure the panel wouldn't have guessed her identity as quickly, if at all.
When this show aired Jim Backus was the star of one of the last "big time" live radio shows. The ABC Radio Network had, in spring of 1957 changed it's name to "The American Broadcasting Network" (ABN). They were trying a "Live And Lively" format with stars like Merv Griffin, Jim Reeves, Jim Backus, and others doing daily shows using live audiences and full orchestras. It was one last gasp for old time radio, but sadly was a major flop ending early in 1958.
ABN "The Merv Griffin Show" (1957)
Irene was a youthful 58 here
Here you go at 8:40 she finally gets back to the arts, when it was established that he had something to do with the arts, Backus asks if he uses his hands, he says no... I was surprised Arlene didn't ask whether he used his voice...
That Desi Arnaz guy and the corset gal WOULD have made a nice couple!
Lol, John, the Hoover Dam is in Boulder City, Nevada, not Boulder, Colorado!
And is on the Colorado river, and formerly known as the Boulder Dam. But is not near the state of Colorado...
Jim Backus appeared a number of times in 1956-7 WML. I would have used him on the panel as often as possible. Great guy. Backus not only voiced Quincey Magoo, he voice a genie in one of the most completely politically incorrect cartoons for the ages -- "A Lad in his Lamp." [Warner animation unit 1947] There was enough ghastly material in it to offend a dozen pressure groups. His voice crossed Harvard and Persia and said such appalling observations as "Oh that's a harem all right. I know a harem when I see one." Noel Coward it ain't.
soulierinvestments I also liked Backus on the panel a whole lot. As I learned only this year from the new Mr Magoo theatrical shorts DVDs, he ad libbed a great deal of the Magoo dialogue. He fit right in on WML.
A few shows earlier than this one Backus said he had been a room mate of Martin Gabel which was an interesting connection.
soulierinvestments I enjoyed him as a kid, as Joan Davis's husband in I Married Joan.
Lucky for him he wasn’t “used” by you.
Well, as far as I know the United States still has a right bestowed upon our citizens, The Freedom of Expression, so unless we are soon to lose Those Rights, We shall be able to enjoy these FREEDOMS on platforms, such as TH-cam , no matter what your political and beliefs may be. So Jim Backus cannot be CANCELLED, because he is dead. My point, therefore, is that and your POLITICALLY CORRECT views you have, can go STRAIGHT TO HELL!
Back when the UN was a great thing. How times have changed.
As intelligent as John Daly is, how could he possibly think Hoover Dam was nearly Boulder, CO.
No one on the panel could be reasonably called intelligent, at least by today's standards, they are very uninformed. They don't know one animal from another or a planet from a moon, or a basic grammar terms or geography. I wonder what was taught back then, because I knew all these things and more by 4th grade.
But they could have schooled just about anyone today in manners and graciousness.
@@markxxx21 : Dorothy Kilgallen not intelligent?
I think it was _Mad Magazine,_ or maybe _National Lampoon,_ that did a takeoff on the movie _Planet of the Apes._ When they came to the monolith, they said it was the box the U.N. building came in. I don't know why, but I still think it's funny.
Boulder Colorado is right there by Boulder Dam, said John Daly.
Wow.
What would anyone have to do, as Bennett put it, with "very very small babies"? Palm them?
+Joe Postove
Nanny would be one possible profession.
Arlene's husband gave her a baby grand for her birthday... a piano.
Magnus is a beautiful name. Unfortunately I think I've only seen it on Gunsmoke. 😕
There's also the world chess champion: Magnus Carlsen.
Magnus Hirschfeld, a famous German sexologist, before Masters & Johnson, persecuted by Hitler. His important library and papers were destroyed by the Nazis.
How is this show not still on the air?
Because not only is everyone on it dead but the culture that spawned it, a gracious, glamorous, God-fearing last mid-century time of prosperity, patriotism and American pride, is also DEAD. I'm glad I was around to witness the tail end of the American dream.
@@voxtango1916 I wouldn't say God-fearing.
Miss Palmer - exceptionaly beautiful lady. And charming one too.
Why did they laugh so much about music being part of her work? Is it because of whistles maybe? I don't get it.
It could be because there was recently a strip tease teacher on the show, who would have used music. That's my thought. They would have remembered her.
let's yodel it for yodelling!!! :D
The only other Magnus I ever heard of was Chester's brother on "Gunsmoke". Pretty odd name, huh?
Joe Postove It is a quite popular name here in the North, and also a name of Kings. Magnus = Latin = Great/Big
SuperWinterborn As in Magnus Opus! :)
Joe Postove I'm in lack of an appropriate emoticon again...
SuperWinterborn Lack of emoticons is no excuse....Arlene?
Joe Postove No answer. Blank. I don't even have a corset!
Here's some yodelling for you! :) 9:47
Its always hysterical to me that they mention in conference exactly what it is out of 2 options and then they go with the incorrect one 😂
Does anyone know of a good history of ABC News, that particularly focus' on the early days up to the 60's? I've read in wider broadcasting books just how dirt poor they were, but I would like more detail.
I've been trying to find a book like that too without success. The book "The House that Roone built" does a great job detailing ABC News during the 70s and 80s but I have never found anything about the early days of ABC News when John Daly was the anchor. Please let me know if you find anything. Thanks!!!
Jeffrey Crippen Barbara Matusow's "The Evening Stars" written in the early 80s is the best overview of TV network news history up to that point and has a section on ABC during that period. Not too extensive on the Daly period but it does give helpful context.
epaddon thanks very much!! In addition to enjoying What's My Line, I have always been a bit of news historian. Have read everything I can find on the subject. David Brinkley's memoir is one of my favorite books.
Jeffrey Crippen I rechecked my copy today and there's about five or six pages covering the Daly era, and how basically Daly was the one-man face of ABC News the whole period and how he frequently had to ad lib due to production break downs in putting on the broadcast. Robert Kintner, an ABC exec who was forced out of the network and went to NBC wanted to take Daly over with him to NBC in 1956 but Daly's ABC contract would not let him go. If Daly had been able to bolt to NBC, then Chet Huntley and David Brinkley may not have gotten the anchor jobs that year that made them famous.
epaddon I remember reading a story years ago in some book about broadcasting, that when John Daly was the anchor of the evening news on ABC he would do four 15 minute newscasts to accommodate the needs of affiliates. Apparently, there was one of those newscasts that no station was picking up. However they would feed it down the line anyway. One night, on this cast that no station was supposed to be carrying, one station did indeed pick it up. During this one the papers flew off the podium, the lectern fell over and John just treated it as good fun, laughing and thinking no one was watching. But they were watching, in Pittsburgh, I think. I haven't seen that story since I was a teenager. Anyone else ever hear of it?
How did they jump from music to yodelling????
Miss Palmer = beautiful
Ive always been surprised at Cerf’s ability to guess but how in heck did he guess ‘yodeling’? Out of nowhere? Was he given the answers sometimes, just to keep up his image of the ‘smart guy on the panel’?
It occurred more than once and it raised my suspicion sometimes, just when the guessing approaches the end, out of nowhere, he gives the right answer with an impressive level of exactitude... but the 'yodeling' part was puzzling I agree.
Maybe Bennett clued into the German name, the German accent and when combining that with the fact that the guest was involved with music, put it all together and guessed that he was a yodeller.
No. That was and still is illegal for prize shows. The man literally traveled the world.
@@sdkelmaruecan2907That's illegal even at the time. The man was very well traveled. Yodeling was not a mystical thing either then.
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I'm drawing a blank here trying to remember who else in Hollywood besides Irene Dunne was a full-scale Knight of Malta and a Knight of the Order of the Holy Sepulchre. Jack Haley, maybe . . . .
United Nations delegation seats among Hollywood stars are also almost as rare.
Danny Kaye. Audrey Hepburn. Miss Dunne.
Bennett knew the last contestant was a lady judge and went right for it. Dorothy would have dawdled all the day long.
But, how did Bennett know? He went straight for it, he didn't seem to be figuring it out from her answers. How could he tell?
Scott Klement Intuition. That night Bennett seemed to be in tip top shape for a game all the way. He also guessed "yodeling" quite fast, even without any particular clue.
tomtriffid You're joking, right? Tell me you're joking.
tomtriffid I doubt the panel was "coached in advance", of the simple logical reason, that then the program wouldn't have lasted for the 17 years it did, with John Daly as the monitor. People are not that stupid, and an intelligent man like Daly, wouldn't have kept on either. He obviously enjoyed the game, and I really don't think he would use his integrity as a wellknown and popular host, leading a program which was based on cheating. That the panel by other occasions read the newspapers beforehand, for maybe spotting out the nights "Mystery Guest", is another story, which of course is true. But that's all. *Dixi!*
SuperWinterborn Weren't they at the 45 dollar mark when Bennett suggested (out of turn, without permission for conference, I'll add) that this guy might be a yodeler?
42 cents a day, I wounder what it costs today?
+The Amish Umpire Still less than the horrendous costs of war.
Jim Backus was an excellent panellist, although I prefer Martin Gabel by a slight margin.
This was in the middle of a pandemic
Can someone help me? What did Bennett say when Arlene sort of hushed him when he was about to ask Miss Palmer something? It sounded like a normal question from Arlene jumped in imploying he might have written or drawn something? Does anyone know what happened with Bennett and that little gaff and time out?
He addressed Ms. Palmer by the previous guest's name.
Hey! If Bennett wants to make jokes about Miss Palmers name, well...I've got some back in the shed.
Shoot man!
Yea lets hear them.
Johan Bengtsson unfortunately , the shed is closed for the season.
What country do you think the yodeler instructor was originally from? Doesn't he look a bit Iranian?
She aged a lot in 4 years from when she was on in 53.
she aged beautifully I think - she's almost 60 here
Strange how Bennett said a LADY Judge!
I wonder who let out that "Oh ho!" around 3:37? Was it someone on the panel reacting to something?
Reluctant Dragon If it wasn't someone on the panel, loosing the mask, it seemed to be from the audience. The laughter came, when the text showed his line, and seemed to come from the first row, close to Daly's microphone. Perhaps from an amateur yodeler? ;)
Dsoes a nyone feel like rating BAckus on his acting performance playing "Thurston Howell III" in that silly "Gilligan's Island" TV series back in the 60's?
The United Nations has evolved into an expensive club for the leech nations of the world, and we pick up the check.
Not familiar with Irene Dunne. Have heard of her though.
Before your time
Back when the UN seemed to matter.
Miss Palmer should have been a corset model instead of a fitter
A lady judge. 😂
Never heard of her
42 cents in 1957 is $4.47 now adjusted for inflation.
In fact, the UN is costing each taxpayer 15 TIMES that amount in 2023
Have a nice day