Sometimes we just have to face the fact that we can only do SO much for clients! But, if they don't want to be honest with themselves its up to them we try our best to be honest about the condition of their boat especially if money is tight and they are struggling. How have you handled such situations in our own life or business? As they say sometimes the "Truth Hurts"
Have had some issues with 5200 in the past, but this is rare in my experience. Never found any other product I trust as much below the waterline,though. My biggest gripe about it is that if you're not very careful about cleanup, you will have 5200 on everything you own before the end of the day!
I've had exactly the same problem with 5200. Came out tacky and never seemed to set. I had used the same tube for a tiny job a few years before, so maybe the fact that the tube had been opened caused the problem. I didn't check the expiry date on the tube. We wanted to seal a gasket in the cabin which was above the waterline, so anything would have worked. Perhaps 4200 or Sikaflex would have been a better choice
I generally wait 24 hrs to trim excess and check for setup. I've even used 4-5 year old stuff that I had to cut the tube open to use, but only on non thru-hull fittings above the waterline such as bedding cleats and deck mounted hardware. Good stuff
Really enjoying your channel. Great information. Currently in Stuart on our 48’ Kadey Krogen trawler. Headed to Marathon ( Marlin Bay) for the month of February. Ours is an older boat so I’ve been going through a lot of the systems. Learning as I go.
I have had trouble with 5200 taking a long time to set up. I have learned to give it at least 48 hours to cure. If you don’t give it that long your are going to have a problem if you’re submerging it. If it is out of the water then given enough time it will cure and when it does cure it’s be best adhesive I ever used.
Yeah we let it dry for about 7 days and still had the issue! We recently did a satellite install and our guys were cleaning up old stuff that didn’t cure either. It can happen ….
After reading the comments about the 5200, I felt compelled to add my 2 cents. I have kept used tubes for several years in the refrigerator while between boats and managed to successfully use them for many different applications.
Yes, I have had 5200 not cure. What a mess to remove. I do have better luck with the fast cure. It must have a harder in it. I speculate that is all goes back to EPA regulations that cause everything that worked well years ago now to be of poorer quality….
You’re exactly right what a mess that 5200 makes! So true …crazy how such poor quality items are sold to us today and we get less & they charge way more!
I have to notify clients that there is risk of sealant failure, have them sign a notice, keep documented test samples. It sucks to be compromised by bad batches of sealant. Often the dates of expiry are past the shelf life.😢
Hi,, VERY much like your Chanel, Also thatnk you for you servise sir !!!! Being around Boats my entire life (56y now) And Also being a professional caulker 9323 years) both commercial and residential.Epoxy,polyuria, silicone, AND Urethanes Hvae ALL changed SO much over the years due to new VOC codes and taking out all the solvents that made these products REALLY preform. In my company we are constantly dealing with material failures from the manufacture, And Sieka is no exception, So dont take it to hard man ))) Not your fault it just happend all the time. Sieka,Dow corning, Tremco, Pecora, are all VERY good materials but they are still just human. Have a great day and thanks for doing your Chanel !!!!
Appreciate you watching Albert and sharing your great insight! Yes its stinks that these materials are not standing up the way they use to makes our jobs harder!
Yes, I replaced all the through hulls on my boat. One of the through hulls started leaking affer a couple of years. I took it apart and the 5200 was soft and had not set. it came right off.
I have not had a problem this past year. But only used one tube in past year, You might have got a bad batch. I have to change out all my fuel hoses on my outboard. 13 yo e-tec 225hp. But I will change out any fuel hoses at 10 yr mark. You got the best job in the world. working on the water in the keys. But working on some boats wouldn't be fun at all.
hose of that type, but not limited to those hoses only, dry rot, crack, more over here is a test if the engine is runnable, spray it with a combustible fluid, the engine dies or accelerates now you know, often maybe every three years, it's not about waiting, it's about being proactive. it all goes bad, if it is a suction transfer type hose under Exstream heat, check it often to see if it will pull fluid through the carcass of the hose, the same for doing that check on a running engine to see if it speed up or die. Doesn't matter what brand / flavor the unit is, the same check fits them all, old school, smoke test is an other means for testing for vac leaks, or other wise. I had super duty cat hyd-hose, so cooked hard, never leaked a drop, remove the hose, brake in half like brittle plastic. I hear tell that salt air / water pretty much has it's way with everything.
Sealants are not created equal. Read the fine prints and application instructions. My learning curve was following the engineers' writin materials list and instructions on a 19foot reactor seal. #@24 hour drying time required "do not wet"
I’m not a pro, but for the last few thru hulls I’ve done on my boat is use the 4200 because it seems to not be as runny, seems to get tacky faster and it’s easier to remove if heaven forbid you do have to change that part again.
Check the shelf life, wouldn't imagine its an issue for you in your location. But it does have a shelf life of 24 months from manufacture and in smaller more remote places you can find it at or over its use by life on the shelf
Excuse my lack of knowledge - I am a landlubber but love boats … but if this 5200 stuff does not work why use it? Is there no substitute? There is nothing more irritating than redoing a job when you absolutely know it was done correctly the first time.
This is a great product normally! Its just that we have had a few that haven't done so well as of lately! Believe me we are not ones for doing a job over ...
@@WillFixThat I certainly got the impression you folks are customer oriented and do quality work. Perhaps the company is having quality control problems with the 5200 product. Many of the component materials our manufacturers are now using are sourced from offshore suppliers and who knows what is in that stuff? By the way I was a City Manager for over 40 years and we equipped our water and sewer plants as well as our pump-stations with devices to “soft start” or phase start the pumps. When several high hp electric pumps kick on the demand meter jumps, and phasing or “soft starting” saved us on the electric bill and maintenance and repairs from spikes and surges. I can imaging what a big “spike” draw could do to a boat with quite limited electrical supply.
Depending on the hose and water, if it's salt or fresh mostly we deal with fresh sometimes we will deal with boats the do the great loop but that's very rare Salt/fresh - internal coolant hoses every 4-5 years - diesel hoses every 2-3 years - gas hoses every 2 years minimum - sea/fresh water cooling hoses every 4 years
@@WillFixThat could you get a bad batch from 3m, anything is possible but as a customer I would say the application was faulty. Temp, curing time, was it flexed before set-up, contaminated surface that would be more likely. Either way, the buck stops with you.
Wait you used 5200 it didn’t set which takes 24-48 hrs depending on temp and your saying the leak wasn’t your fault? Buddy if you remove a thru hull and put it back with 5200 it’s on you to make sure it is set up before splashing the boat that absolutely is your fault! I know you said you changed and fixed it but you can’t say it wasn’t your fault! You working on it it’s on you to make sure there will be no leaks when splashing the boat!
Yes we did the thru hull and it dried for about a week and it leaked when we splashed it … the 5200 was still sticky. There should have been no problem with it! Temperature is in the 70’s.
Is there a way to get the guys to stop repeating themselves and what others have just said? Maybe edit out the hoses hoses hoses? We understand that he has replaced all but two. The skinny guy who summarizes is a redundant pain.
Thanks for the feedback but unfortunately some of our jobs take days so we may repeat ourselves not knowing if we already mentioned it! I do try hard to catch the repeats but not perfect! Our stuff isn’t scripted like 90% of other channels.
Why in the fuck would anyone use 5200 again??? Seriously, if you know this is an inferior product, STOP USING IT. If you knew this before hand, ITS YOUR FAULT BUB!
Sometimes we just have to face the fact that we can only do SO much for clients! But, if they don't want to be honest with themselves its up to them we try our best to be honest about the condition of their boat especially if money is tight and they are struggling. How have you handled such situations in our own life or business? As they say sometimes the "Truth Hurts"
I owned a boat repair shop years ago and understand your problems. I watch your videos to remind me how happy I am being retired.
lol for realz … 🤣
love your videos been a marine tech for 37 years
Thanks YorkMarine 👍
Have had some issues with 5200 in the past, but this is rare in my experience. Never found any other product I trust as much below the waterline,though. My biggest gripe about it is that if you're not very careful about cleanup, you will have 5200 on everything you own before the end of the day!
LOL and your wearing it on all your clothes .... it gets every where if you're not careful!
Sikaflex 291 is by far the best . I have had 5200 not cure many times . I install bow and stern thrusters and Sikaflex is all I will ever use !!!
Thanks for sharing this 👍
I've had exactly the same problem with 5200. Came out tacky and never seemed to set. I had used the same tube for a tiny job a few years before, so maybe the fact that the tube had been opened caused the problem. I didn't check the expiry date on the tube. We wanted to seal a gasket in the cabin which was above the waterline, so anything would have worked. Perhaps 4200 or Sikaflex would have been a better choice
Yeah open tubes don’t last and I’ve heard that maybe the recipe changed. Just be careful when you use it again.
I generally wait 24 hrs to trim excess and check for setup. I've even used 4-5 year old stuff that I had to cut the tube open to use, but only on non thru-hull fittings above the waterline such as bedding cleats and deck mounted hardware. Good stuff
Yes it’s good stuff if it cures! 👍
Yes I have experienced the 5200 issue in the RV industry and yes we now install soft start capacitor timer kits
Awesome 😊
Really enjoying your channel. Great information. Currently in Stuart on our 48’ Kadey Krogen trawler. Headed to Marathon ( Marlin Bay) for the month of February. Ours is an older boat so I’ve been going through a lot of the systems. Learning as I go.
Awesome Jim thanks for watching! You will have a great time in Marathon it’s about an hour from us by car.
I have had trouble with 5200 taking a long time to set up. I have learned to give it at least 48 hours to cure. If you don’t give it that long your are going to have a problem if you’re submerging it. If it is out of the water then given enough time it will cure and when it does cure it’s be best adhesive I ever used.
Yeah we let it dry for about 7 days and still had the issue! We recently did a satellite install and our guys were cleaning up old stuff that didn’t cure either. It can happen ….
When I use 5200 I leave a sample card out for test bonding to see when and if it cures.
After reading the comments about the 5200, I felt compelled to add my 2 cents. I have kept used tubes for several years in the refrigerator while between boats and managed to successfully use them for many different applications.
Interesting they don’t dry up on you?
Soft start systems are good for many systems switching high loads between power level changes.
Yes we see them on a lot of the bigger units. Thanks for watching.
I added one to my home AC so I can use a generator during power outages to keep cool.
We have Starlink on the house in Central FL. Getting 80 mbs with 22 ms ping time. Good service for $120/ month
We’d love to have it but I’m not fond of Matt climbing up 3 stories to put it on our roof!
Yes, I have had 5200 not cure. What a mess to remove. I do have better luck with the fast cure. It must have a harder in it. I speculate that is all goes back to EPA regulations that cause everything that worked well years ago now to be of poorer quality….
You’re exactly right what a mess that 5200 makes! So true …crazy how such poor quality items are sold to us today and we get less & they charge way more!
I have to notify clients that there is risk of sealant failure, have them sign a notice, keep documented test samples. It sucks to be compromised by bad batches of sealant. Often the dates of expiry are past the shelf life.😢
Great episode! Stay safe WillFixThat Team keep rolling!👍👍
Rollin, Rollin 👍🤣
@@WillFixThat 👍👍👊👊
Hi,, VERY much like your Chanel, Also thatnk you for you servise sir !!!! Being around Boats my entire life (56y now) And Also being a professional caulker 9323 years) both commercial and residential.Epoxy,polyuria, silicone, AND Urethanes Hvae ALL changed SO much over the years due to new VOC codes and taking out all the solvents that made these products REALLY preform. In my company we are constantly dealing with material failures from the manufacture, And Sieka is no exception, So dont take it to hard man ))) Not your fault it just happend all the time. Sieka,Dow corning, Tremco, Pecora, are all VERY good materials but they are still just human. Have a great day and thanks for doing your Chanel !!!!
Appreciate you watching Albert and sharing your great insight! Yes its stinks that these materials are not standing up the way they use to makes our jobs harder!
I agree 5200 has changed and is a different product in recent years. We find it is much thinner in density.
Which isn’t good depending on where your using it 👍
we have come across old 5200 that wouldn't set up mostly on regular 5200 the permanent 5200 is best
yeah it sucks when it doesn't work trying to clean up the mess it makes.
I use a soft start on my r v 😊😊😊😊works great
That’s the way to do it.
Yes, I replaced all the through hulls on my boat. One of the through hulls started leaking affer a couple of years. I took it apart and the 5200 was soft and had not set. it came right off.
That stinks ... yup you don't want a leaking thru hull!
@@WillFixThat Luckily, started out with a few drips, and was able to get it out of the water as it turned into a steady stream.
@@williewonka6694 Sounds like great timing on your part! 👍
I have not had a problem this past year. But only used one tube in past year, You might have got a bad batch. I have to change out all my fuel hoses on my outboard. 13 yo e-tec 225hp. But I will change out any fuel hoses at 10 yr mark. You got the best job in the world. working on the water in the keys. But working on some boats wouldn't be fun at all.
Yup lucky to live where we live and yes some boat jobs are a nightmare! Sounds like we aren’t the only ones that have got a bad batch.
They have smart start for central ac units.
Yes Scott!
Ive heard of those being used with small generators to start a/c units.
Yes.
I have had 5200 not set up. Mess to clean out.
You’re exactly right … a big mess to clean up!
hose of that type, but not limited to those hoses only, dry rot, crack, more over here is a test if the engine is runnable, spray it with a combustible fluid, the engine dies or accelerates
now you know, often maybe every three years, it's not about waiting, it's about being proactive. it all goes bad, if it is a suction transfer type hose under Exstream heat,
check it often to see if it will pull fluid through the carcass of the hose, the same for doing that check on a running engine to see if it speed up or die. Doesn't matter what brand / flavor the unit is, the same check fits them all, old school, smoke test is an other means
for testing for vac leaks, or other wise. I had super duty cat hyd-hose, so cooked hard, never
leaked a drop, remove the hose, brake in half like brittle plastic. I hear tell that salt air / water pretty much has it's way with everything.
Yes we see all kinds of brittle equipment and we let the owners know it’s time for replacement.
Sealants are not created equal. Read the fine prints and application instructions. My learning curve was following the engineers' writin materials list and instructions on a 19foot reactor seal. #@24 hour drying time required "do not wet"
Ugh thanks for sharing 🥴 yes read the fine print.
I’m not a pro, but for the last few thru hulls I’ve done on my boat is use the 4200 because it seems to not be as runny, seems to get tacky faster and it’s easier to remove if heaven forbid you do have to change that part again.
All very true statements but 4200 maybe more for temporary repairs!
@@WillFixThat 🤷♂️ it said it can be used below the waterline on the tube. It’s been sealing around my live well pickup for 3 years now.
Check the shelf life, wouldn't imagine its an issue for you in your location. But it does have a shelf life of 24 months from manufacture and in smaller more remote places you can find it at or over its use by life on the shelf
Yeah you have to watch the dates 👍
I might as be up north it's 42 here in ocala. Wednesday night going to 29. Jet stream dipped all the way down here to Florida. Brrrrrrrrrrrrr
WOW Scott wonder if you'll see snow flurries? Years ago when we lived in Norfolk Virginia we got to see flurries a time or two!
A lot of Rv'ers have them on their rigs so it doesn't hit too hard if they are running generator or multiple AC's on 30 amp supply.
Yes they help spread out the compressor start up mode!
They are widely used on RV's so you can use a smaller genset.
Smaller genset is 👍
For smart start can one be used for multiple units?
@@harrydyer3079yes one for each unit!
Working on inboard boats is a youngmans job. Most boats with twin diesel engings under 40ft. Are tight.
You are exactly right! Matt feels it some days.
I have never use 5200 because it is a glue. Always 4200 or Boat Life without problems.
Yeah we use both of those as well just depends on job!
In air conditioning,they’re called soft start kits,allowing you to use AC on smaller generators,by charging capacitors on start up,very good product
Yes for easier start ups.
Seems that the boat builders put the most breakable items in the most far reaches
I know crazy right? They don’t make it easy.
Excuse my lack of knowledge - I am a landlubber but love boats … but if this 5200 stuff does not work why use it? Is there no substitute? There is nothing more irritating than redoing a job when you absolutely know it was done correctly the first time.
This is a great product normally! Its just that we have had a few that haven't done so well as of lately! Believe me we are not ones for doing a job over ...
@@WillFixThat I certainly got the impression you folks are customer oriented and do quality work. Perhaps the company is having quality control problems with the 5200 product. Many of the component materials our manufacturers are now using are sourced from offshore suppliers and who knows what is in that stuff? By the way I was a City Manager for over 40 years and we equipped our water and sewer plants as well as our pump-stations with devices to “soft start” or phase start the pumps. When several high hp electric pumps kick on the demand meter jumps, and phasing or “soft starting” saved us on the electric bill and maintenance and repairs from spikes and surges. I can imaging what a big “spike” draw could do to a boat with quite limited electrical supply.
@@derjaeger3321we sure try to do our best it just sucks when we buy a product and it fails or comes damaged!
I have used 5200... And perfer Sikaflex polyurethane.. It is even stronger than 5200.. Captain Ron, FullForce Marine Services Naples FL
Thanks Captain Ron … how kind does it take to dry?
Depending on the hose and water, if it's salt or fresh mostly we deal with fresh sometimes we will deal with boats the do the great loop but that's very rare
Salt/fresh
- internal coolant hoses every 4-5 years
- diesel hoses every 2-3 years
- gas hoses every 2 years minimum
- sea/fresh water cooling hoses every 4 years
We have a boat here now that was doing the great loop and broke down! Fuel tank is leaking so we just got a bladder tank on order!
@WillFixThat is it a in tank bladder?
lol I’m not a mechanic… we are cutting aluminum tank and putting a bladder inside!
@WillFixThat lol well why not just kidding 🤣 I can't wait to see that video honestly
@@honeybunbandit1it’s going ti be several weeks away! 👍
You know what’s a good product “splash on”
It is a good product when it cures!
Splash on we use it on our shrimp and lobster boats,the good thing it works in the water n all?
Also we use 5200 too hasn’t had any not to cure yet so I really thank you for the heads will be aware now!
Not sure we’ve heard of splash on we will have to check it out!
Never use 5200 if it was previously opened, once you open it, its done
Yeah it goes bad … so use once & done!
“Fault” vs responsiblity
Yes responsibility to make it right!
Yup
Only 5200 fast cure for me now.
And make sure it’s fresh 👍
5200 doesnt like achool or acid tone that type of cleaner will stop it from curing
You’re exactly right.
5200 and alcohol don't mix. If you clean up with alcohol it may not cure.
Thanks for sharing 👍
You had it happen before, you are the professional, it's your fault. You gave good advice to get rid of the boat, she said no, she's the customer.
Disagree its NOT our fault for the faulty 5200! Yes she makes her own decisions and its not our headache we did what we could do ...
@@WillFixThat could you get a bad batch from 3m, anything is possible but as a customer I would say the application was faulty. Temp, curing time, was it flexed before set-up, contaminated surface that would be more likely. Either way, the buck stops with you.
@@610boating5 yes ultimately buck stops here & we fix it! 😂
@@WillFixThat I know you do, you project awesome customer service and business integrity.
@@610boating5 our tagline ‘we try’ 😊
Wait you used 5200 it didn’t set which takes 24-48 hrs depending on temp and your saying the leak wasn’t your fault?
Buddy if you remove a thru hull and put it back with 5200 it’s on you to make sure it is set up before splashing the boat that absolutely is your fault!
I know you said you changed and fixed it but you can’t say it wasn’t your fault! You working on it it’s on you to make sure there will be no leaks when splashing the boat!
Yes we did the thru hull and it dried for about a week and it leaked when we splashed it … the 5200 was still sticky. There should have been no problem with it! Temperature is in the 70’s.
As they say; old boats are for rich people, new boats are for poor people.
I haven’t heard that I’ll have to ask Matt! But, it kind of makes sense IF they rely on warranty to keep the boat up.
👍👍
Thanks fatcat 👍
I have had silicone that didn't set. Learned afterward that this stuff has a shelf life and it was too old.
Have to check the dates
32 tears
Not sure what you mean?
I prefer Boat Life over 5200
Yes that’s a good one too.
Should have made sure it was cured that's on you
Yup
Boat....it leaks, your fault....lol
Yeah painful right!
How is it not your fault?
I’m not responsible for products that fail.
it's a product you provided
it's aged out, kicking a dead horse with out counting the real cost, We are Biblically
warned, to first count the cost, amen
Hard to extend the life of boats if they aren’t maintained!
Make a claim with 3m
Have you ever done that … probably not worth it!
Is there a way to get the guys to stop repeating themselves and what others have just said? Maybe edit out the hoses hoses hoses? We understand that he has replaced all but two. The skinny guy who summarizes is a redundant pain.
Thanks for the feedback but unfortunately some of our jobs take days so we may repeat ourselves not knowing if we already mentioned it! I do try hard to catch the repeats but not perfect! Our stuff isn’t scripted like 90% of other channels.
Don’t like 5200. Sikaflex 291 or life seal only one I use
Those are good too.
Why in the fuck would anyone use 5200 again??? Seriously, if you know this is an inferior product, STOP USING IT. If you knew this before hand, ITS YOUR FAULT BUB!
Of course we didn’t know it was going to fail! What do you use instead of 5200?