I've been telling people about this for years. I saw it on Cartoon Network's show, Oh Canada!. It had a lot of weird cartoons like this from various cartoonists. I think I remember it came on super late night, during Adult Swim hours before they had Adult Swim, like maybe 2-3:00 am or later or something. It was bizarre, but this one short they played was easily the one most burnt into my memory. I'm so glad someone has some evidence of this, because I always sound like a madman trying to describe this one specific nightmare from my childhood and the traumatic existantial crises I had from it.
I'm glad you like it! I had recorded it a long time ago for my daughter. I haven't been able to find it online, and it's just too great to leave on an old video cassette.
@@danwin9986 This was actually ON TH-cam, but like....a year ago they got all scrubbed. Well, I guess not ALL scrubbed, since this one is 12 years old, but most did.
I remember seeing this on Cartoon Network when I was young. Not sure when they broadcasted it, but I remember feeling slightly surprised by what I had just watched. Definitely wasn't what I was expecting for a CN cartoon, but it's something I've remembered ever since. Quite a memorable piece, at least for someone who watched it as a kid.
I've been looking for this for over a decade since I saw it as a kid. For a while I was convinced it was just a dream I had because no one else seemed to have any knowledge of it at all. So glad you posted it!
I've been wondering about this for years. I assumed it was lost. I remember laying on the couch late one night, perhaps during summer break, I believe I was sick and half asleep, and this just comes on out of no where. My parents were asleep. I was quite disturbed. Probably one of the first small steps I took toward adulthood.
The ending to this freaked me out when I was a little kid. I remember being so disturbed that she killed herself and knowingly continued to live as a copy. Kinda mind blowing back then, but now, in a post-Rick and Morty age, it's child's play. Still, the animation is pretty trippy.
The biggest issue that I would have with using this teleporter would be that my consciousness would not be transferred to the copy, but the copy would have a consciousness that is entirely separate from the original (evidenced by what happens when you allow both to live). It would be no different from killing a person and then cloning them after they were dead. I'm not making a "soul" argument, but rather that the original and copy are two entirely separate beings with separate consciousness.
@@TheGrimPoe The question is not if the copy has the history to retain the consciousness- it would by definition: but if said consciousness would simply be a copy that continued shortly before the original was destroyed. And the resulting implications that being aware of this would do for them afterwards. I imagine without being aware of exactly what happened, the copy would have simply teleported to the other chamber- instead of started existing there. And the original would just... well, die.
its much more than that. it actually shows that there is not a consciousness self to begin with. you are disappearing every moment and there is the new consciousness that thinks it was here the whole life. this is also addressed by the last song in the video: “Thats why we take turns to see what its like to be”
Only brainlets care about being a copy. All the atoms inside your body are replaced slowly, so you are a copy of yourself from yesterday with different atoms.
Reminds of that Star Trek TNG episode with RIker, where due to an electromagnetic storm (or something) his original was stranded on a planet for years because nobody knew he was still there. And he had to salute his now promoted copy...
I saw this when i was a kid too. Stuck with me, but I never thought I'd see it again. There's a couple of SF stories that explore this idea, one where people deliberately reset themselves including their memories using a matter converter to a pattern a day earlier, so they effectively live forever at the expense of never remembering their previous days. Also Poul Anderson wrote a series where it was used to send crews to check on sub-light spaceships. The one who returned was a copy of a copy.
It's the old question of Theseus's ship (if you disassemble it and reassemble it is it still the same?) but with a teleporting machine and squiggly animation, however it's very well made. Interesting piece of animation. Surprisingly immoral conclusion too...
I saw this cartoon a long time ago when I was little. Just watching The Prestige today and was oddly reminded of this cartoon again and had to search for it. Very weird. Very creepy.
A comic I read on Webtoons was inspired in part by this short. It's called "City of Blank" for anyone interested in reading it. I came here to get a screenshot to reawaken the author's traumatization from this short.
All terrible comments aside thanks uploader, I've been looking for this video forever!!! I finally figured out the name of it and really figured no one would have saved it, I'm glad you did
Thank you for uploading this, is was always an interesting bit...mind, this guy thinks he's invented a teleporter, but really, he's invented the end of hunger, resource scarcity, even power in a way. That's the problem with people like him, he thinks in only one direction. I know it's not the purpose of this short, but still, so many of the world's problems could be solved by thing. It should also be noted that line about 'no more last month's bills to pay' always stuck with me, just because my mental response was for her to see if that excuse works, just try it.
This fucked with me so hard when it aired on Cartoon Network back in the day. I'm glad you uploaded it because I've been looking for it for 30 years, lol.
That´s a quite dark cartoon. I´m not sure if I am happy with the ending as well, though it does have its reasons to decide that way I wouldn´t feel that unguilty and happily all of the sudden.
I love this subject. If using this machine would mean your death because the copy is a distinct consciousness from the original, yet in principle there is no measurable way to distinguish one from the other, what exactly determines which is which? Assume that the machine worked in such a way that it teleported the orignal to location A, **and** created a copy in location B, but there was a 50% chance the locations would be swapped with no way of knowing whether a swapped occurred. You couldn't trace the history of one or the other to the original before it entered the booth. Does it imply the existence of some hidden information that cannot be obtained through measurement? Now assume that this machine teleported half of your atoms to location A with uniform distribution, and the other half to location B, then replaced the missing atoms in both locations with new identical atoms. Could you even answer which location you'd find yourself in? Surely you can't be both of them at the same time, right? If consciousness (in terms of the hard problem; having a first person experience, only knowing for sure that your own particular mind exists and that this property only applies to the contents of your brain despite other approximately identical brains existing) didn't exist, none of these questions would make sense. There'd be nothing more to it than copying and deleting files on a computer; the information wasn't destroyed. But if the question of whether the scientist's invention is safe to use has an objective answer, then there must be a hard problem to solve.
I would define "me" as a singular continuously living organism with all it's functions. If all my livings functions stop at some point, then I'm dead and no longer continuously living. But being asleep or unconscious won't affect my continuous existence as a living organism. A perfect copy of me won't be "me" since it doesn't share my continuity but has a continuity all it's own. Therefore such teleportation would be just murder or suicide.
I remember this from late night television! I had taped it someplace and remember showing others. Tonight it came to me. I remember when I saw The Prestige I thought of this short out of Canada.
I watched this decades ago as a kid. Parts of this didn't really click at the time since I didn't quite get all the existential stuff and contemplating killing oneself. Going back and watching it now...HOOOOOOOOOLY CRAP this is dark. And Cartoon Network aired this. For kids.
The logical flaw here is assuming the scientist would fight over who the original is, instead of someone objective enough to admit they are/are not the original and would happily forfeit their lives in the interest of logic.
@@LittlePonyYoba You either did not read or missed my point entirely, the instinct you and others may have is not shared by all. Assuming everyone is the same just because you yourself are not capable of doing anything is illogical. Will not be entertaining that.
The funny thing is that last part was totally unnecessary. Could've just left it at the two clones, a brush with death would have still absolutely proved her point. But they just killed one of them anyway lol
I think there's a weakness in the narrative where the scientist (both of him) suddenly accepts the idea that being "the original" is superior to a copy where before he denied it. The real change which exposes the problem in his thinking is that before he wanted the original destroyed but now the original one doesn't want to die.
this episode gave me nightmares for years i was way too young to understand wth i was seeing. i had to really dig to find this episode and watching it is a weird for of nostalgia. im just glad i found it lol
I think the point is; why would you willingly teleport yourself somewhere if you won't be alive to see the effects? Let's not forget that someone would need to place the receiver somewhere so finding new lands or something isn't a valid reason. Unless teleportation was to be developed in such a way that carries the consciousness over then I don't see how it could be of use to anyone. Who knows, give it some time and it mightn't be a clone + kill process. I would be all for teleportation if so.
I came here from a reddit thread and realized halfway through that there was a CARTOON NETWORK logo. I can't believe this actually aired on a network made for kids. I don't understand why she chose to go in the end, I mean I do understand feeling bad for having forced the whole thing to happen, but she probably also saved dozens of other lives by exposing the faulty premise of the scientist. It felt a bit like gratuitous bleak, wouldn't know how I'd feel if I had seen it as a kid.
I just saw this, i thought this was part of "school house of rock" but then i remember this was the style of the "times". Appreciate the story and art yall
This isn't teleportation, it's long range cloning. You can't justify killing either the clone or the original because no matter where YOUR consciousness resides, the other person is just that, a person. The other person exists, can experience pain and pleasure, and are conscious of his/her own existence. And we aren't supposed to kill people.
They explained, in the video, that your point of view hasn't considered that it is exactly as immoral to NOT clone someone.... It's the equivalent of killing them.
i was thinking of that. Star Trek people went through the teleporter and theres one episode where there are Two Captain Kirks, the good one and the evil one.
I remember watching this on early morning UK television in the 1990s, I couldn’t remember what it was called and only just thought to try a few choice google searches after watching a TH-cam video about the morality behind it earlier
But does this cartoon truly answer the question? Is there a soul that goes with the body? Is there an afterlife the original goes to? Is there a new soul that's copied too or is it just the soul of the old?
i remember seeing this when i was like 7 or something and I haven't been able to find it until some guy on r/tipofmytounge helped me out I'm so glad I got to see it again I remember talking about this with a friends and they also wanted to see it so I'm glad its still on youtube
It's more atomic precision 3D bio-duplication than teleportation! And even if the original copy obviously is by definition the one not just created, it's not more the original person than the new one: both are this person, now duplicated and starting to evolve separately from this fork on... Juridically then, all copies should own in indivision their possessions of before the fork, remain altogether as one involved in any contract attached to their person itself, none could get killed or assisted suicide without consent just as anybody else, they should all consensually agree on who keeps occupying each one of the original's places in society, anyone of them should remain supportive (especially financially) of every other one that still hasn't decided to free all their duplicatas of this obligation, and they all should unanimously consent to any futher duplication of any one of them, or at least all those having got out of a fork less than say, 15y before in the ancestral duplication tree that this one is a leaf of, but only if all the other ones also agreed to let those ones duplicate themselves freely! 😁
The only issue I see with this is if there is a delay or gap in the memory of the traveler. Like you forget the previous 5 minutes of your life before you woke up in the teleporter. And if you could turn off the copy making element, you've just solved world hunger! Imagine multiple copies of one apple. If you can't tell the difference between copy and original in flavor, texture, nutrition and everything else, then what a more novel invention. Forget teleportation and the moral existentialism, you've just invented infinite food forever if the clone works as well as the original.
I think the argument that NOT making a clone in the first place is morally equivalent to killing the clone makes no sense - you could apply the same logic to children and argue that not making a child is morally equivalent to killing the child who was never made in the first place. Can we really place equal value on something that could potentially exist but doesn't, compared to things that already exist?
consciousness doesn't work that way though. it wouldn't really be you, you would have died in the original booth. I'm not against the progress it represents or other people using such an invention, but I'm not killing myself so my clone can see the stars.
I don't think that's how teleportation works. The way I think it does is when you teleport you open a doorway between limbo and transport to another location. Like how the X-Men's nightcrawler does it.
@@aureliabackup7313 well, there was a time when flying wasn't actually possible for us but still some people had understandings of how it works, so who's to say what's real and what isn't?
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Ah yes, I remember tuning into Cartoon Network back in the day and getting a good old dose of existential horror.
A cartoon version of something like Roko's Basilisk would be hilarious but extremely morbid at the same time.
I really enjoyed watching O'Canada on the Cartoon Network.
BECAUSE IT HAS THE CARTOON NETWORK LOGO ON IT!
Yep.
This is quite possibly the most simple but utterly existential thing ever aired on a channel seen by children.
This is really haunted me as a kid. I couldn't comprehend death at the time and even now the suicide ending bugs me.
Guess it's clear where she stands on the whole "Torture a tiny clone of Hitler" debate.
is this an OneyPlays reference
I've been telling people about this for years. I saw it on Cartoon Network's show, Oh Canada!. It had a lot of weird cartoons like this from various cartoonists. I think I remember it came on super late night, during Adult Swim hours before they had Adult Swim, like maybe 2-3:00 am or later or something. It was bizarre, but this one short they played was easily the one most burnt into my memory. I'm so glad someone has some evidence of this, because I always sound like a madman trying to describe this one specific nightmare from my childhood and the traumatic existantial crises I had from it.
I'm glad you like it! I had recorded it a long time ago for my daughter. I haven't been able to find it online, and it's just too great to leave on an old video cassette.
You did a good thing for your daughter. I hope she enjoyed it.
My hero! Ive been searching for this for years
You stopped this from becoming lost media! I would shake you’re hand if I could haha
@@danwin9986 This was actually ON TH-cam, but like....a year ago they got all scrubbed.
Well, I guess not ALL scrubbed, since this one is 12 years old, but most did.
I remember seeing this on Cartoon Network when I was young. Not sure when they broadcasted it, but I remember feeling slightly surprised by what I had just watched. Definitely wasn't what I was expecting for a CN cartoon, but it's something I've remembered ever since. Quite a memorable piece, at least for someone who watched it as a kid.
Yeah, it's 'cause it's Canadian. All those Canadian shorts they showed were kind of weird that way.
Same here, I remember seeing it years ago, now 20 years past and I still remember it :)
I feel exactly the same.
I cant beleive i found this after 20 years
Same here this shocked me and here i am 20 something years later and i finally found it. All i could remember was the song from the end
I saw this on Cartoon Network very late at night when I was a kid. I really didn't know how to feel about it.
Same here
Scared the crap out of me
Doesn't feel meant for kids no matter what they say)
A simple fact, sad but true~
Nothing's fun unless it's new~
That's why we take turns to see~
What it's like to be~
I've been looking for this for over a decade since I saw it as a kid. For a while I was convinced it was just a dream I had because no one else seemed to have any knowledge of it at all. So glad you posted it!
this cartoon has stuck with me for years. It made me think. I'm glad I found it here on youtube.
I've been wondering about this for years. I assumed it was lost. I remember laying on the couch late one night, perhaps during summer break, I believe I was sick and half asleep, and this just comes on out of no where. My parents were asleep. I was quite disturbed. Probably one of the first small steps I took toward adulthood.
"I'm debt free!"
Man, the government doesn't give a shit, there's a bill with your name on it!
Well, she also just lost all of the originals properties, so shes pretty much committed to living on the street :P
The ending to this freaked me out when I was a little kid. I remember being so disturbed that she killed herself and knowingly continued to live as a copy. Kinda mind blowing back then, but now, in a post-Rick and Morty age, it's child's play. Still, the animation is pretty trippy.
The biggest issue that I would have with using this teleporter would be that my consciousness would not be transferred to the copy, but the copy would have a consciousness that is entirely separate from the original (evidenced by what happens when you allow both to live). It would be no different from killing a person and then cloning them after they were dead. I'm not making a "soul" argument, but rather that the original and copy are two entirely separate beings with separate consciousness.
couldn't a perfect copy have the exact neurons firing and history to retain your consciousness?
@@TheGrimPoe The question is not if the copy has the history to retain the consciousness- it would by definition: but if said consciousness would simply be a copy that continued shortly before the original was destroyed.
And the resulting implications that being aware of this would do for them afterwards.
I imagine without being aware of exactly what happened, the copy would have simply teleported to the other chamber- instead of started existing there. And the original would just... well, die.
its much more than that. it actually shows that there is not a consciousness self to begin with. you are disappearing every moment and there is the new consciousness that thinks it was here the whole life.
this is also addressed by the last song in the video: “Thats why we take turns to see what its like to be”
Only brainlets care about being a copy. All the atoms inside your body are replaced slowly, so you are a copy of yourself from yesterday with different atoms.
Very well said, radioactivechimp! Out of curiosity: do you study Philosophy?
I like to think that the scientist decided to make a transportation machine that doesn't require killing of any kind after this.
You mean the copy of a copy of a copy of the scientist decided to do this.
I saw this as a kid and it's been resident in my memory forever. I am so glad to have found this as I thought I dreamed it.
Just reliving childhood memories that scarred me!
Reminds of that Star Trek TNG episode with RIker, where due to an electromagnetic storm (or something) his original was stranded on a planet for years because nobody knew he was still there. And he had to salute his now promoted copy...
s06e24 "Second Chances"
Good episode!
I've been looking for this since it aired around 20 years ago on Cartoon Network. Thank you for uploading!
This gave me a crisis when I was like 8 at 2 in the morning.
i used to be obsessed with this video back in like 2010 and i’m glad i’ve been able to hold onto that memory for so long
So was I. Ah, 2010; the year I became obsessed with cloning!
This whole thing was a fever dream for me as a kid. I'm glad I found this again
I saw this when i was a kid too. Stuck with me, but I never thought I'd see it again. There's a couple of SF stories that explore this idea, one where people deliberately reset themselves including their memories using a matter converter to a pattern a day earlier, so they effectively live forever at the expense of never remembering their previous days. Also Poul Anderson wrote a series where it was used to send crews to check on sub-light spaceships. The one who returned was a copy of a copy.
A film by Oscar-winning filmmaker John Weldon (who also wrote the catchy banjo tune that punctuates the story's changing moods)
This shit sticks with you, especially when viewed as a child. Thanks for uploading.
I remember seeing this as a kid on cartoon network and it disturbed the fuck out of me for awhile.
This thing didn't send people where they wanted to go, it killed them and sent a duplicate in their place.
Rather like "Think Like a Dinosaur" from Twilight Zone (rebooted on later Outer Limits).
It's the old question of Theseus's ship (if you disassemble it and reassemble it is it still the same?) but with a teleporting machine and squiggly animation, however it's very well made.
Interesting piece of animation.
Surprisingly immoral conclusion too...
A brief cartoon explaining how the Star Trek transporter is a suicide booth.
I saw this cartoon a long time ago when I was little. Just watching The Prestige today and was oddly reminded of this cartoon again and had to search for it. Very weird. Very creepy.
Same
A comic I read on Webtoons was inspired in part by this short. It's called "City of Blank" for anyone interested in reading it.
I came here to get a screenshot to reawaken the author's traumatization from this short.
Merryweatherey also posted a Webtoon today inspired by this concept, called "The Teleporter Problem"
@@riesonomura I noticed, I even commented it on her tweet yesterday
All terrible comments aside thanks uploader, I've been looking for this video forever!!! I finally figured out the name of it and really figured no one would have saved it, I'm glad you did
This is freaking nightmare fuel.
Makes me think of reincarnation. Losing your shell and forgetting everything you knew in the past life.
That was the creepiest shit I have EVER seen in my life.
I thought I had imagined watching this all those years ago on BB2 but thank you for answering a question that has sat with me for 25 years.
I'm pretty sure the "guiltless copy" bit was meant to be a joke, and not a trap for idiots. Alas! Never underestimate idiots.
You are correct.
Watch it again before you go to sleep tonight. Tomorrow, when you wake-up/teleported-across-time, you can sing the same song!
Thank you for uploading this, is was always an interesting bit...mind, this guy thinks he's invented a teleporter, but really, he's invented the end of hunger, resource scarcity, even power in a way. That's the problem with people like him, he thinks in only one direction. I know it's not the purpose of this short, but still, so many of the world's problems could be solved by thing.
It should also be noted that line about 'no more last month's bills to pay' always stuck with me, just because my mental response was for her to see if that excuse works, just try it.
Loved this skit when I was a kid! It poses so many questions!
Thank you so much for posting this! It helped shaped my perception of the world, and what it means "To be.." as a young child
Saw this years ago when it aired. Was looking for it.
This fucked with me so hard when it aired on Cartoon Network back in the day. I'm glad you uploaded it because I've been looking for it for 30 years, lol.
Every atom in your body is replaced every few years. Does that mean you aren't the same person you were before?
This would be better if it rhymed.
you say this like it isn't some commonly talked about philosophical concept.
Except for the neurons. Neurons last a lifetime.
simulacrum
a copy without an original
it took me over 20 years to refind this
Woaaah, I was just talking about this today. Decided to search for it and here it is. Crazy, very disturbing.
That´s a quite dark cartoon. I´m not sure if I am happy with the ending as well, though it does have its reasons to decide that way I wouldn´t feel that unguilty and happily all of the sudden.
This is some deep shit
I love this subject. If using this machine would mean your death because the copy is a distinct consciousness from the original, yet in principle there is no measurable way to distinguish one from the other, what exactly determines which is which?
Assume that the machine worked in such a way that it teleported the orignal to location A, **and** created a copy in location B, but there was a 50% chance the locations would be swapped with no way of knowing whether a swapped occurred. You couldn't trace the history of one or the other to the original before it entered the booth.
Does it imply the existence of some hidden information that cannot be obtained through measurement?
Now assume that this machine teleported half of your atoms to location A with uniform distribution, and the other half to location B, then replaced the missing atoms in both locations with new identical atoms. Could you even answer which location you'd find yourself in? Surely you can't be both of them at the same time, right?
If consciousness (in terms of the hard problem; having a first person experience, only knowing for sure that your own particular mind exists and that this property only applies to the contents of your brain despite other approximately identical brains existing) didn't exist, none of these questions would make sense. There'd be nothing more to it than copying and deleting files on a computer; the information wasn't destroyed. But if the question of whether the scientist's invention is safe to use has an objective answer, then there must be a hard problem to solve.
I would define "me" as a singular continuously living organism with all it's functions. If all my livings functions stop at some point, then I'm dead and no longer continuously living. But being asleep or unconscious won't affect my continuous existence as a living organism. A perfect copy of me won't be "me" since it doesn't share my continuity but has a continuity all it's own. Therefore such teleportation would be just murder or suicide.
you are not real and what you think of “You” is disappearing every moment and there is a new “You” appearing that thinks it was there forever.
John Locke's argument.
I remember this from late night television! I had taped it someplace and remember showing others. Tonight it came to me. I remember when I saw The Prestige I thought of this short out of Canada.
I watched this decades ago as a kid. Parts of this didn't really click at the time since I didn't quite get all the existential stuff and contemplating killing oneself. Going back and watching it now...HOOOOOOOOOLY CRAP this is dark. And Cartoon Network aired this. For kids.
The logical flaw here is assuming the scientist would fight over who the original is, instead of someone objective enough to admit they are/are not the original and would happily forfeit their lives in the interest of logic.
You can't do anything against the instinct of self-preservation
@@LittlePonyYoba You either did not read or missed my point entirely, the instinct you and others may have is not shared by all. Assuming everyone is the same just because you yourself are not capable of doing anything is illogical. Will not be entertaining that.
"In the eyes of the law, yes, I have committed a grave crime. But in the eyes of God, I am amongst Him. I am a god myself in some ways."
Also reminds me of "Think Like a Dinosaur"
I remember seeing this on Nickolodeon before they got their own cartoons.
"And suddenly I wasn't so sure I had done the right thing."
Yeah, you just murdered a guy to prove a point you psychopath.
The funny thing is that last part was totally unnecessary. Could've just left it at the two clones, a brush with death would have still absolutely proved her point. But they just killed one of them anyway lol
Well, really it was the clone that murdered the original.
I like this cartoon, it’s so awesome!
thank you for posting i love this cartoon skit...
Sunlit Nightmare made me look this up.
Same
Wow I remembered that waaaaay different from when I watched it as a kid
I think there's a weakness in the narrative where the scientist (both of him) suddenly accepts the idea that being "the original" is superior to a copy where before he denied it. The real change which exposes the problem in his thinking is that before he wanted the original destroyed but now the original one doesn't want to die.
this episode gave me nightmares for years i was way too young to understand wth i was seeing. i had to really dig to find this episode and watching it is a weird for of nostalgia. im just glad i found it lol
I think the point is; why would you willingly teleport yourself somewhere if you won't be alive to see the effects? Let's not forget that someone would need to place the receiver somewhere so finding new lands or something isn't a valid reason.
Unless teleportation was to be developed in such a way that carries the consciousness over then I don't see how it could be of use to anyone. Who knows, give it some time and it mightn't be a clone + kill process. I would be all for teleportation if so.
its not about the teleportation itself but the question about personal identity.
I came here from a reddit thread and realized halfway through that there was a CARTOON NETWORK logo. I can't believe this actually aired on a network made for kids. I don't understand why she chose to go in the end, I mean I do understand feeling bad for having forced the whole thing to happen, but she probably also saved dozens of other lives by exposing the faulty premise of the scientist. It felt a bit like gratuitous bleak, wouldn't know how I'd feel if I had seen it as a kid.
>using a teleporter
Ah the two scientists make me think of the two blue scientist guys from Invincible
I love this!
That was a wonderful film. Great job, Canada!🌈🦄⭐👑🦊🤩
I just saw this, i thought this was part of "school house of rock" but then i remember this was the style of the "times". Appreciate the story and art yall
After playing cyberpunk I remembered this
This isn't teleportation, it's long range cloning. You can't justify killing either the clone or the original because no matter where YOUR consciousness resides, the other person is just that, a person. The other person exists, can experience pain and pleasure, and are conscious of his/her own existence. And we aren't supposed to kill people.
They explained, in the video, that your point of view hasn't considered that it is exactly as immoral to NOT clone someone.... It's the equivalent of killing them.
i was thinking of that. Star Trek people went through the teleporter and theres one episode where there are Two Captain Kirks, the good one and the evil one.
@@marcomacias3960here’s also a ‘Next Generation’ episode where there are two Will Rikers created by a transporter accident.
@@futuredude007 The solution to that viewpoint is that killing EITHER is immoral. The entire machine with its method of operation is immoral.
Brutal.
I believe you keep your concious throughout your entire life. so enjoy being you.
you are dying every single moment.
I remember watching this on early morning UK television in the 1990s, I couldn’t remember what it was called and only just thought to try a few choice google searches after watching a TH-cam video about the morality behind it earlier
I think it was most likely Stay Tooned with Tony Robinson because I was looking for that first!
@@alexrowley5014 that's where I first saw it, too!
for a few fleeting moments they had to chance to find out the answer to the true question:
is it gay if it's a clone of yourself?
gay incest
Interesting ending !
Ready to beam down.
Michael Crichtons Timeline is great on this theme, where the tech goes wrong.
@6:40 "The scientist was beside himself" --- yes, literally ...
I finally found it!!!
This was from an old cartoon network tape, wasn't it? Because I saw the logo on the bottom-right corner.
But does this cartoon truly answer the question? Is there a soul that goes with the body? Is there an afterlife the original goes to? Is there a new soul that's copied too or is it just the soul of the old?
Oh, hello childhood trauma.
This was a weird episode of Black Mirror.
Something Something, Anne Boonchuy.
i remember seeing this when i was like 7 or something and I haven't been able to find it until some guy on r/tipofmytounge helped me out I'm so glad I got to see it again I remember talking about this with a friends and they also wanted to see it so I'm glad its still on youtube
Philosophical.
25 years later, and I still really hate this.
It's more atomic precision 3D bio-duplication than teleportation! And even if the original copy obviously is by definition the one not just created, it's not more the original person than the new one: both are this person, now duplicated and starting to evolve separately from this fork on... Juridically then, all copies should own in indivision their possessions of before the fork, remain altogether as one involved in any contract attached to their person itself, none could get killed or assisted suicide without consent just as anybody else, they should all consensually agree on who keeps occupying each one of the original's places in society, anyone of them should remain supportive (especially financially) of every other one that still hasn't decided to free all their duplicatas of this obligation, and they all should unanimously consent to any futher duplication of any one of them, or at least all those having got out of a fork less than say, 15y before in the ancestral duplication tree that this one is a leaf of, but only if all the other ones also agreed to let those ones duplicate themselves freely! 😁
The only issue I see with this is if there is a delay or gap in the memory of the traveler. Like you forget the previous 5 minutes of your life before you woke up in the teleporter. And if you could turn off the copy making element, you've just solved world hunger! Imagine multiple copies of one apple. If you can't tell the difference between copy and original in flavor, texture, nutrition and everything else, then what a more novel invention. Forget teleportation and the moral existentialism, you've just invented infinite food forever if the clone works as well as the original.
Star Trek is a Slaughter House
This hit me hard. I don't know how to feel!
I think the argument that NOT making a clone in the first place is morally equivalent to killing the clone makes no sense - you could apply the same logic to children and argue that not making a child is morally equivalent to killing the child who was never made in the first place. Can we really place equal value on something that could potentially exist but doesn't, compared to things that already exist?
consciousness doesn't work that way though. it wouldn't really be you, you would have died in the original booth. I'm not against the progress it represents or other people using such an invention, but I'm not killing myself so my clone can see the stars.
Friendship is Optimal
I don't think that's how teleportation works. The way I think it does is when you teleport you open a doorway between limbo and transport to another location. Like how the X-Men's nightcrawler does it.
Real teleportation is not actually possible with our current understanding. So how it works is that it doesn't.
@@aureliabackup7313 well, there was a time when flying wasn't actually possible for us but still some people had understandings of how it works, so who's to say what's real and what isn't?
That's not teleportation though. What OP describes is akin to a wormhole/einstein-rosen bridge which is basically a bending of space.
Existential Horror Moment
How did this explain what it means to be?