Yea! You provided a fab explanation of the setup and operation of your line bore equip. Yours is different than I had seen. The best I had seen was CEE's process. Your's is good too.
Kurtis once showed how he welded a short section of pipe on the starting end of the bore weld to allow the weld to start outside the bore so that it could be trimmed off without having to hand weld that section. I do, however, suspect that you are already familiar with this.
Thanks for giving us an opportunity to see how much work goes into fixing a hydraulic cylinder. Now I see the hours and equipment needed to repair. Very professional.
I'd like to see a step by step for line boring setup I just started watching your jobs you recorded. I wish I could be there personally to watch setup and some jobs you do. I haven't weld repair heavy construction equipment about 25 years but alot has changed since I last repaired them. The cracked parts are the same process as well as replacing some parts like the bumpers supports and so on. It's a smart move on letting someone else do the bends on the brake so as to make the job easier. Also I just am starting back into my own welding bissness but California won't let me put my application in unless I have some one with a C60 welding license due to not welding in the past 10 years with someone with a c60 California license I've worked for my nephews construction cement company and my friends shop part time after I get off work at my Full time san diego city work in wastewater department. I appreciate your videos very much I'm refreshing my skills just by watching them. One more thing what would be good starting point for charging per hour on job for construction equipment repair or just field work. Thank you
I have commented on CEE numerous times about being absolutely fascinated with line boring. So much so, that I’ve even priced a couple of set ups. But, man oh man, that’s a leap of faith to make that kind of initial investment today for work you may or may not get tomorrow! I think one would have to have the right customer base, for sure. I find myself needing the ability to do line boring once or twice a year but I don’t think most of my customers would be willing to pay what one would have to charge for the service. Oh well, maybe one day. I applaud your willingness to make the investment.
As a DIY person and now retired would also like to be able to do this. Have been thinking for years about at home made system. The bore welder seems like the hardest part to make, even a manual one.
41:58.... wow, going to Tenths with the digital height gauge...... great way to set tool ...... .looks easier than a spring loaded insertable micrometer. that you must remove and check with another micrometer.. getting it done in one setup........ Bravo..... Paul down in Florida
Those button insets are really good for universal cutting and can hog out some material quick. And the really nice part is you can rotate them around on 6 different edges when they get dull and get tons of life out of them. Depending on the type of button inset you use and if doing straight cuts or radius cuts anyway. And I'm not sure why they would have made the nozzles non removeable on those shorter cones since you can get stubby nozzles about that short. Tweeco makes some that short.
Thanks for showing the setup in detail, most videos just show the cutting and welding portion. I know the job was spread over a couple days but about how much total time would you estimate it takes from start to finish for one hole?
I see an automotive machine shop using the circular carbide bits to surface engine parts to a high precision. I thought that bit cut pretty well, especially for such a big single cut.
Outstanding video. After line boaring, would it have been acceptable to press in a sleeve with an interference fit into the bore instead of welding and machining?
Love the video thanks for posting. what tool holder did you use for cleaning the faces. I know Climax is pretty big in the states and it's well made gear, but I really like how quick the Italian ones are to set-up. I picked up a Maucotools C40 used in really good condition for €1200 they're about 10k new. Made in Italy.
I know that welding and line boaring is a better finish, but what do you think about milling a bushing with a mill? Then installing the factory bush. I just dont have $45,000.00 for line boaring equipment right now.
Just mill the hole out on the mill if needed with a fly cutter, hand weld it (not the easiest thing but more than doable), then mill the hole back out to the bush size
Never seems to last when someone chooses to oversize the bore, throw a sleeve in it, then put a bearing in that. The sleeves are generally softer than the cast or forged steel eyes.
Человек делает то что умеет. И умеет не плохо. Нравится иногда не ординарный подход к решению разных задач. Но это скорее всего наличие большого опыта. Я вот смотрю человек может себе позволить инструмент что бы зарабатывать. У нас же что бы отложить сто долларов на инструмент это раз в месяц. Если повезёт. Я токарный станок за три года купил б/у еле насобирал😂
In my local area there is only one other guy and the Caterpillar dealership. Both are usually months out. In the broad spectrum of things there are more people who do this than one might think.
Scrapers are a goldmine. If there is a life after death, I sure hope I never get reborn as a scraper! Those machines accumulate way too many beatings in their life.
I can't really see via video but it looks to me like tearing and not chatter....which would make sense shen boring 3/16" of an i.d. in one pass of a hard material like that.... or if it is chattering u might just have to mind the distribution of any would be vibration... make sure the insert is secure and everything is tight... there's a whole lot of rigging to make a good rigid boring situation with those things.... but they are awesome.
Using a wide-cast wire avoids the coiling action that narrow-cast wires naturally want to do and it runs a lot smoother through the welder. That machine lays down some good looking beads. What gas are you using? I was advised to use either C10, C8, or C2 to help with the vertical and overhead portions of the weld.
@@NICK-uy3nl you are correct. That’s why I put a .005” crush fit on this bush. It’s the customers job to inspect and replace the bush before it gets to that point. These particular cylinders get neglected though being on the top of the Mach and hard to get to.
Does the Climax bore welder leave the funny voids in the weld as it feeds backwards like the BRS unit does? I shouldn't call them voids, but the BRS unit does make a weird transition as it feeds backwards. Sometimes have to reach in by hand to touch up spots if the bore diameter is going to be close. Nice video.
@@OFW Sounds like you are familiar with what I am referring to. LOL It's never been a huge issue for me, I guess more of an annoyance than anything. I always figured it had to do with the wire flipping inside the liner. Interesting that the Climax doesn't do it.
Climax machines are a complete pain just to set up and a big time is money waster. Always have to break it down for the next set up. Cause it doesn't use the same set up as the boring set up. Like Joshes machine on his YT channel CEE Cutting Edge Engineering. But I give you high praise and a great job making someone's ridiculous designed machine work for ya. 👈🧐👍
climax makes some of the best line boring equipment in the world. For doing smaller things like this job you could use almost any setup and get good results honestly. Where climax stuff shines is doing mission critical high load, high precision, large span etc… stuff like articulation bearings in huge wheel loaders like 992/wa900. Their equipment is expensive and complicated for a reason. The cheaper stuff just doesn’t cut it in those kind of applications where there’s hundreds of thousands of dollars on the line. Time almost isn’t a factor in that stuff cause if you fuck something up you REALLY fucked up.
@@OFW it’s a huge investment but if you know to run it, which you do, you will make it back in no time. You made the right choice 👍🏻 If you ever have problems or questions, reach out to Fitz Acheson. He’s an application engineer/trainer/tech support guy (assuming he’s still there, it’s been a few years). Incredible guy, came to our site to do some training/advisory stuff and damn does he know his shit. Great to work with too, fun personality, not condescending at all, and he has some very entertaining stories from his time spent in Manchuria training the guys there in the strip mines.
i heard you call yourself a dumbass when you were setting up the welder. i was in the habit of saying "i'm so stupid" when i made mistakes. one day my dear old mother told me " if you keep saying your stupid your brain will start to believe you, and you'll never get better". was mom calling me stupid?
I must ask, why don't you guys just make new bigger bushings, press them in and weld them in place? Seems simpler than welding, and then machining. And you introduce less heat to the, in this case, a hydaulic cylinder. Just wondering
Too answer your question on the cost of the gloves. I’m guessing they came with the welder so what ever the welder cost that’s the price of the gloves. Lol. At that price there gold plated
Hey man i noticed your chop saw and the blade...are thise blades better than the disc type or whatever as far as cutting metal faster as well as easier and making it easier on the motor do you think? Just asking cuz i don't want to spend $100 compared to $9 for.the disc but, im assuming they must be phenomenal for that much of a price difference.... Fuck u know how high the gas is right? Let me tell y'all a little secret a trick if i may..... get going a good speed and drop ur transmission into neutral, hold on cuz some vehicles tend to get harder to steer so.....anyways, then cut off the engine and coast as far as possible u all will be very surprised how far u can get with a tank of gas driving like this.... i got $10 in gas and i was out of gas....i drove from Ethiopia to Mexico twice...now there's no red lights or stop signs on that back woods drive many aren't familiar with but im fuckng telling u it WILL save money and if we all start fucking these mfkrs back like that they'll wise up and get passed this pussy stage generations they been creating since 1980...
The carbide blades are way better. They cut very clean and the metal really doesn’t get hot. But you need a saw with a slower speed. Do not use them on a regular chop saw.
Yeah i got a slower metal one....i think that's what u saying, ima have to make sure or just play with the switch. I got an old black and decker but it's a really good saw.
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They use a sir meccanica ws2. It’s much bigger than the climax unit and harder to get into tight spots. Climax is complicated for a reason. Each has its own good and bad.
This free practical around 1 hr instruction of milling and Welding, is definitely worth 10 hr teaching school class, Or more. Thanks Alot.
Yea! You provided a fab explanation of the setup and operation of your line bore equip. Yours is different than I had seen. The best I had seen was CEE's process. Your's is good too.
Educational, fascinating and entertaining. Your descriptions and explanations of how and why you do what you do are priceless. Thanks so much.
You are knowledgeable, resourceful, efficient and hard working. Keep it up and we'll all keep watching and giving you the 👍
Kurtis once showed how he welded a short section of pipe on the starting end of the bore weld to allow the weld to start outside the bore so that it could be trimmed off without having to hand weld that section. I do, however, suspect that you are already familiar with this.
A run-off ring that gets faced off once the welding is complete
Thanks for giving us an opportunity to see how much work goes into fixing a hydraulic cylinder. Now I see the hours and equipment needed to repair. Very professional.
I'd like to see a step by step for line boring setup I just started watching your jobs you recorded. I wish I could be there personally to watch setup and some jobs you do. I haven't weld repair heavy construction equipment about 25 years but alot has changed since I last repaired them. The cracked parts are the same process as well as replacing some parts like the bumpers supports and so on. It's a smart move on letting someone else do the bends on the brake so as to make the job easier. Also I just am starting back into my own welding bissness but California won't let me put my application in unless I have some one with a C60 welding license due to not welding in the past 10 years with someone with a c60 California license I've worked for my nephews construction cement company and my friends shop part time after I get off work at my Full time san diego city work in wastewater department. I appreciate your videos very much I'm refreshing my skills just by watching them. One more thing what would be good starting point for charging per hour on job for construction equipment repair or just field work. Thank you
I would change at least $100 per hour
I have commented on CEE numerous times about being absolutely fascinated with line boring. So much so, that I’ve even priced a couple of set ups. But, man oh man, that’s a leap of faith to make that kind of initial investment today for work you may or may not get tomorrow! I think one would have to have the right customer base, for sure. I find myself needing the ability to do line boring once or twice a year but I don’t think most of my customers would be willing to pay what one would have to charge for the service. Oh well, maybe one day. I applaud your willingness to make the investment.
The process is fascinating. After I saw it done the first time I was hooked and knew right then I would one day have my own setup.
As a DIY person and now retired would also like to be able to do this. Have been thinking for years about at home made system. The bore welder seems like the hardest part to make, even a manual one.
well alrighty, feeding my thirst for knowledge, best wishes to my favorite channel....Paul from Florida
From beginning to the end of this video, just Bad A..!!!!!!!!!! Can't wait for the next!!!!!
I’m looking forward to the next. Thank You Sir
41:58....
wow, going to Tenths with the digital height gauge......
great way to set tool ......
.looks easier than a spring loaded insertable micrometer.
that you must remove and check with another micrometer..
getting it done in one setup........
Bravo.....
Paul down in Florida
Very nice line boring work👌
You could win the Powerball lottery and be "mildly impressed" lol.. Love the vids, thx!
Здорово. Приятно смотреть на работу профессионала. Удачи и респект вам.
Wow!!! Again! Great video! Thanks for sharing! 👍👌
Those button insets are really good for universal cutting and can hog out some material quick. And the really nice part is you can rotate them around on 6 different edges when they get dull and get tons of life out of them. Depending on the type of button inset you use and if doing straight cuts or radius cuts anyway.
And I'm not sure why they would have made the nozzles non removeable on those shorter cones since you can get stubby nozzles about that short. Tweeco makes some that short.
clean work, one thing i want to learn one day is line boring. maybe one day lol
The finish on the bore looked close to perfect. I think you could fix anything given the tools and time to do it.
Love the videos.. definitely need a truck tour tho one day..
Thanks for showing the setup in detail, most videos just show the cutting and welding portion. I know the job was spread over a couple days but about how much total time would you estimate it takes from start to finish for one hole?
This job took 6 hours.
I see an automotive machine shop using the circular carbide bits to surface engine parts to a high precision. I thought that bit cut pretty well, especially for such a big single cut.
Climax looks like good gear I’ve a Sir Mecannica setup myself, real pain getting setup sometimes. I haven’t done enough work with mines yet
how much is the machine sir?
@@KepalaTerung i bought my machine second hand, brand new machines are a lot of dollaa
@@peters4067 how much sir?😃😀
Awesome work. Thank you for the explanations, helps a lot
Awesome work!! Two questions; what causes that hole to wallow out; lack of grease/maintenance? What does a repair like this cost?
Yes, lack of grease, maintenance and time.
Outstanding video. After line boaring, would it have been acceptable to press in a sleeve with an interference fit into the bore instead of welding and machining?
No. That is not the correct way. My customers will not accept that.
I really enjoy your channel. That vise on the back of your truck is awesome. Is that a Wilton? Keep the videos coming. Thanks..
Yes. At the time it was the biggest American made vise I could find.
Love the video thanks for posting.
what tool holder did you use for cleaning the faces.
I know Climax is pretty big in the states and it's well made gear, but I really like how quick the Italian ones are to set-up.
I picked up a Maucotools C40 used in really good condition for €1200 they're about 10k new. Made in Italy.
It was a holder that came with the BRS kit
The jet noise at 21:00 is a pleasant bonus.
I know that welding and line boaring is a better finish, but what do you think about milling a bushing with a mill? Then installing the factory bush. I just dont have $45,000.00 for line boaring equipment right now.
I think it could work if done correctly.
Just mill the hole out on the mill if needed with a fly cutter, hand weld it (not the easiest thing but more than doable), then mill the hole back out to the bush size
Never seems to last when someone chooses to oversize the bore, throw a sleeve in it, then put a bearing in that. The sleeves are generally softer than the cast or forged steel eyes.
Человек делает то что умеет. И умеет не плохо. Нравится иногда не ординарный подход к решению разных задач. Но это скорее всего наличие большого опыта. Я вот смотрю человек может себе позволить инструмент что бы зарабатывать. У нас же что бы отложить сто долларов на инструмент это раз в месяц. Если повезёт. Я токарный станок за три года купил б/у еле насобирал😂
Extremely fascinating process, I Imagine there are Not many people who offer this service ?
In my local area there is only one other guy and the Caterpillar dealership. Both are usually months out. In the broad spectrum of things there are more people who do this than one might think.
Cool set up.
Awesome job👍🙂
Awesome job brother 👍🏼
A year later you can setup the Climax gear half awake. Interesting vid to watch!
32👍's up thanks for taking us all along with you
i love that machine , saves the customers money and make money at the same time ..
Привет из России хороших сварочных швов
Nice job my man.
A lot of work goes into line boring!! Mind me asking how much this job cost?
$1,200 usd
Last pair of those blue gloves I bought was 12 bucks, they are so thick I only use them for cutting
That Climax kit has more accessories than you can shake a stick at.
button bits are tough and hold up well
Scrapers are a goldmine. If there is a life after death, I sure hope I never get reborn as a scraper! Those machines accumulate way too many beatings in their life.
Haha I agree. It’s kinda like a love hate relationship.
Man your videos go fast... I can't believe that was an hour-long
Good work
Thank you for sharing 👍👍👍👍
I can't really see via video but it looks to me like tearing and not chatter....which would make sense shen boring 3/16" of an i.d. in one pass of a hard material like that.... or if it is chattering u might just have to mind the distribution of any would be vibration... make sure the insert is secure and everything is tight... there's a whole lot of rigging to make a good rigid boring situation with those things.... but they are awesome.
A work of art
Using a wide-cast wire avoids the coiling action that narrow-cast wires naturally want to do and it runs a lot smoother through the welder. That machine lays down some good looking beads. What gas are you using? I was advised to use either C10, C8, or C2 to help with the vertical and overhead portions of the weld.
The gas I’m using is 75% argon 25% co2.
The wire is one that climax suggested and it seems to run pretty good.
I am sick of all this round supremacy!
Nice job
"brand new in the Box". that's how it came out.
Nice work. Could you weld the bore to dimension and do without bushing?
Yes but it would wear out faster and if you catch it soon enough you can just swap out the bushing without the need to line bore.
@@OFW - The problem is, if the bushing starts rotating in the bore, then bore wear would accelerate and destroy both bushing and bore surfaces
@@NICK-uy3nl you are correct. That’s why I put a .005” crush fit on this bush. It’s the customers job to inspect and replace the bush before it gets to that point. These particular cylinders get neglected though being on the top of the Mach and hard to get to.
the gloves forty bucks?
Does the Climax bore welder leave the funny voids in the weld as it feeds backwards like the BRS unit does? I shouldn't call them voids, but the BRS unit does make a weird transition as it feeds backwards. Sometimes have to reach in by hand to touch up spots if the bore diameter is going to be close. Nice video.
No it does not.
@@OFW Sounds like you are familiar with what I am referring to. LOL It's never been a huge issue for me, I guess more of an annoyance than anything. I always figured it had to do with the wire flipping inside the liner. Interesting that the Climax doesn't do it.
Climax machines are a complete pain just to set up and a big time is money waster. Always have to break it down for the next set up. Cause it doesn't use the same set up as the boring set up. Like Joshes machine on his YT channel CEE Cutting Edge Engineering. But I give you high praise and a great job making someone's ridiculous designed machine work for ya. 👈🧐👍
Climax does take a bit longer to setup but I feel like it offers a few things others don’t. But with that said every brand has its good and bad.
climax makes some of the best line boring equipment in the world. For doing smaller things like this job you could use almost any setup and get good results honestly. Where climax stuff shines is doing mission critical high load, high precision, large span etc… stuff like articulation bearings in huge wheel loaders like 992/wa900. Their equipment is expensive and complicated for a reason. The cheaper stuff just doesn’t cut it in those kind of applications where there’s hundreds of thousands of dollars on the line. Time almost isn’t a factor in that stuff cause if you fuck something up you REALLY fucked up.
@@Kc12v140 I agree 100% and that’s why I went with climax. Its more “complicated “ but it’s that way for a reason.
@@OFW it’s a huge investment but if you know to run it, which you do, you will make it back in no time. You made the right choice 👍🏻 If you ever have problems or questions, reach out to Fitz Acheson. He’s an application engineer/trainer/tech support guy (assuming he’s still there, it’s been a few years). Incredible guy, came to our site to do some training/advisory stuff and damn does he know his shit. Great to work with too, fun personality, not condescending at all, and he has some very entertaining stories from his time spent in Manchuria training the guys there in the strip mines.
Hey man tin foil makes a good air shield you can form it pretty tight ...my 2 cents lol
That’s a good idea! Maybe next time.
How is grease going to get into the bushing?
I don’t think it has a grease fitting. Even if it did it would probably never get greased.
Well, enjoy your work but takes forever to set up, gotta move on and will catch something later.
Enjoyed! Thanks!
Good job
Good day, where can I buy a measuring tool like yours?
Climax
Abom uses a noga to hold his gopro.
Just curious, how do you know what to bill for this type of job?
Everything is by the hour.
Didn’t hear you comment. How did the button do on the cut down after the weld? Curious ,I want to try it if it did ok.
It was okay. I’m going to try it again and see what happens.
@@OFW let me know if you don’t mind.
Wauw so much measuring equipment, guess you spend a lot of money on that issue.
Just out of curiosity what or how do you charge for a job like this?
$165 a hour.
are you going to freeze the bushing?
No.
i heard you call yourself a dumbass when you were setting up the welder. i was in the habit of saying "i'm so stupid" when i made mistakes. one day my dear old mother told me " if you keep saying your stupid your brain will start to believe you, and you'll never get better". was mom calling me stupid?
Price is job?
How are you doing today
I must ask, why don't you guys just make new bigger bushings, press them in and weld them in place? Seems simpler than welding, and then machining. And you introduce less heat to the, in this case, a hydaulic cylinder. Just wondering
Because the customer wants everything Back to OEM.
Seems like with a single hole like this it would be easier to throw it on a mill and use a boring head.
You could do that. I thought about it. But I wanted to do another line boring video.
On Fire Welding And have the new machine make some ROI….
Too answer your question on the cost of the gloves.
I’m guessing they came with the welder so what ever the welder cost that’s the price of the gloves. Lol. At that price there gold plated
Climax needs to invest in some marketing and maybe put their name on their equipment somewhere....
They have their name on almost every piece.
@@OFW Yeah, like the Jimmy Diresta of manufacturing...
Good vidio but we're is your safety officer dog 🐕
I have one, 3 actually but one was involved in a shop accident and lost his leg so I don’t let them around the shop anymore.
Fell asleep…again!,
Are you a wizard?
No, just a guy trying to make a living.
@@OFW I see that you are doing very well, I'm happy for you
To see really good Line Boring/Welding, check out Cutting Edge Engineering Australia. A master machinist with quality video production.
I watch him all the time.
Foundry work
Bon Boulo
Get a wobble head for u mill u could borr that out on it
Check " Cutting edge Engineering " with Curtis
I watch him all the time
Seems like a cluster … to set up.good work though.
I agree a fellow would need a lot of education to run that thing. A question that I have is how did they do this sort of thing 60 years ago.
Hey man i noticed your chop saw and the blade...are thise blades better than the disc type or whatever as far as cutting metal faster as well as easier and making it easier on the motor do you think? Just asking cuz i don't want to spend $100 compared to $9 for.the disc but, im assuming they must be phenomenal for that much of a price difference.... Fuck u know how high the gas is right? Let me tell y'all a little secret a trick if i may..... get going a good speed and drop ur transmission into neutral, hold on cuz some vehicles tend to get harder to steer so.....anyways, then cut off the engine and coast as far as possible u all will be very surprised how far u can get with a tank of gas driving like this.... i got $10 in gas and i was out of gas....i drove from Ethiopia to Mexico twice...now there's no red lights or stop signs on that back woods drive many aren't familiar with but im fuckng telling u it WILL save money and if we all start fucking these mfkrs back like that they'll wise up and get passed this pussy stage generations they been creating since 1980...
The carbide blades are way better. They cut very clean and the metal really doesn’t get hot. But you need a saw with a slower speed. Do not use them on a regular chop saw.
Yeah i got a slower metal one....i think that's what u saying, ima have to make sure or just play with the switch. I got an old black and decker but it's a really good saw.
Mandrinadora
35 dollars
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You don’t know what you are talking about
That line bore system is overly complicated... I don't know what brand CEE uses but I like it better...
They use a sir meccanica ws2. It’s much bigger than the climax unit and harder to get into tight spots. Climax is complicated for a reason. Each has its own good and bad.
Kurtis werkt met millimeters, moderne man…
time consuming and complicated more than others