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Jago really said: “I pay a lot of attention to continuity and so what?”
For those of us who have steam in our blood looking at the locomotives on the Bluebell Railway brings back memories and a further understanding of lines before the Big Four. Your fine work is really appreciated.
Happy memories
Who doesn't love steam locos? 😁 Are you going to do a follow up that includes the Bulleid Pacific glimpsed near the end, Jago?
The Bluebell Railway is always a grand day out. And it will always hold a special place in my heart as my first ever overseas holiday, and my first long journey alone, was attending the 50th Anniversary Gala in 2010.
Their loco collection is indeed a unique treasure. And there's still plenty more to make a Part 2 to this video. Jago didn't even get into the post-Victorian engines or the brand new Brighton Atlantic that's nearing completion. Maybe next time give Chris Eden-Green a call; he's local to the area and a grand TH-camr himself. Plus he's been having a rough go of it lately and could do with a fun day out.
I used to live in Crawley, so the Bluebell was never far away (although more easily accessible by rail from London, thanks to the Three Bridges - East Grinstead line closure when I was about four!!) For many years, the line used to just run from Sheffield Park to Horstead Keynes, extending to Kingscote in the early 90's, the final push back to East Grinstead being made in 2010, after I'd moved a bit further away!! 😂😂😂
It's still pretty handy to get to though, vintage buses used to run between East Grinstead and Kingscote in the interim. Connection to the main line somewhat ended the railway's "steam only" policy, but made it easier for locos to transfer on and off the line, including 2 visits from the "Flying Scotsman!"
Fellow Crawley Boy myself, back in the day, and agree that the Bluebell was an amazing place to visit as a kid. I'd visit a couple times a year with my nan when we moved over here from Canada. My Great Aunt had an old carriage as a tool shed in her backyard in Malthouse Road ( Hauled there by a team of shire horses from Ifield Halt before Crawley New Town really picked up pace in it's development) which the BBR were after for years but the practicalities of needing a heavy lift crane, road closures and the likes by the time she became( slightly) amenable to the idea made it financially unviable. Or at least that's the reason I was told. TBH I think she waited until such times and knew damn well when she told some of the trustee's she would allow them to pay her another visit and discuss things that it would never happen which suited her as it was part of her, and the 'old family's' homes identity
Still living in Crawley myself. (never escaped :P)
Got some fond memories of the bluebell railway. Remember doing some school thing volunteering when quite young as a mini-guard for an event :) maybe 12 or so years old? memories fuzzy now.
That i can just hike a couple of hours from my house and watch steam trains is amazing.
For riding trains i prefer the Spa Valley railway in Tumbridge Wells to the East though. Much smaller but much less commercialised, easier to chat to the people running it :)
We must have lived in Crawley at the same time and be about the same age
I remember trips from Three Bridges to East Grinstead out of platform 6 IIRC; that platform no longer exists of course
Scotsman was back at Bluebell only last month. I had to get a few cushions ready for coach 1482 to be pulled by her.
I love the idea of someone hiding historically significant locos. What a hero. ❤
I might struggle to sneak one into my garden shed.
"But like most people, I haven't seen that." Hello, yes, is that the emergency services? I need to report a savage burn...
I believe the Bluebell crosses the East/West border at least twice. It also has three Ps, not two. 178 is not Primrose but Nettle. Primrose is 27. Birch Grove was/is a local country house which was home to Prime Minister Harold Macmillan. Doctor Beeching was also a local and Bluebell volunteer! There's footage of him stood on a stepladder painting the canopy at Sheffield Park.
Just checked openstreetmap, and the East/West Sussex border is definitely only crossed once - just outside Sheffield Park station. (Though it does come dangerously close to the border by the Weir Wood Reservoir.)
@@KasabianFan44 OK, I thought East Grinstead was also in the eastern half of the county.
I'd have been severely tempted to push that ladder...
@@paulhaynes8045 why so? Beeching wasn't the culprit, he was just the latest in a string of people doing what was necessary. The Bluebell's closure south of HK was decided years before he took the job. The closure of the East Grinstead to Ardingly section came after he had left BR and I don't think it was even in his report as recommended for closure. There were closures even before WW2 - Midhurst to Chichester had already lost its passenger services in the mid 1930s, with only small scale freight operation keeping it going until the collapse of a badly built embankment in a storm made any further operation impractical. Many of the big closures blamed on Beeching weren't his fault at all - the Great Central main line was not recommended for closure, for instance.
@@richardharrold9736 More to the point, Beeching wasn't the driving force behind the "Beeching Axe", he was just the fall guy brought in to do the dirty job. The real culprit was the Transport Minister Ernest Marples, who owned the road building company Marples Ridgway. He saw the opportunity to boost his nett worth by closing railways and replacing them with motorways, built by his own firm naturally! Beeching was set a task by Marples, constrained by very narrow guidelines making his conclusion inevitable. Many people don't know that Beeching produced TWO reports - the first, "The Reshaping of Britain's Railways" recommended closure of many branch lines, but his second recommended high investment in trunk routes. This second one didn't suit Marples' case at all, so was quietly shelved and ignored.
Marples enthusiastically embraced Beeching's closure recommendations and additionally spent vast sums of taxpayers' money unnecessarily demolishing the infrastructure of the closed lines as fast as possible, just to make sure they could never be put back into use.
Marples, apart from his corrupt political practices, was also a serial tax dodger and narrowly avoided being caught by absconding one night to Monte Carlo. He was later offered a favourable deal by the tax man, and paid a small fraction of the tax he owed to be let off the hook. So don't vilify Beeching, vilify Marples because he is the reason we have such an inadequate rail network nowadays. He was a crook of the first order and one of the grasping people who have damaged this country irreparably.
6:58 ...and some electrics' apparently, since that Class 73 is of course both. Best livery they ever carried IMHO, blue, yellow panel, white window surrounds - handsome beast.
Love the bluebell, grew up near it and volunteered as a kid!
The Bluebell Railway is second to none with beautifully restored stations, to bring you back in time. Any chance you could visit the Severn Valley Railway, I for one would love to see the collection there. Thanks again for the steam.
We went to the Bluebell Railway and Stepney wasn't on display, but we asked and managed to sneak into the engineering shed to see him ❤
Loverley job. Thanks for such a comprehensive recap of our locos. Just one teensy weensy point. In Sussex there's a strange pronunciation of villages ending in the letter Y. So Arding-lea is Arding-lie. But then the Hoathlys west and east are -lea and -lie.
Love your heritage railway videos! If you're ever searching for more, Somerset has 2 heritage railways and the disused Strawberry Line which has been turned into a nature walk.
I do enjoy your looks at heritage railways. There are several other heritage railways within an hour of central London by train, and some of these have a direct rail connection with the national rail network. It was especially good news this Summer to hear that the heritage Kent & East Sussex Railway/Rother Valley Railway has been given full government permission to finally reopen to the main line at Robertsbridge (north of Hastings) from Tenterden and Bodiam. Another heritage line well deserving of a Jago Hazzard visit, I think.
My great-nephew is into trains and recently was taken to the Bluebell Railway to see his favourite engine make a guest appearance- the Flying Scotsman. It made his day!
Thank you as always.
So happy to see Stepney, Wodden is 150 years old this year and still stuck in the shed at Delson, Montreal. The oldest engine in their collection and anniversary so sadly missed.
I've always had a soft spot for the Bluebell Railway ever since it was featured on a programme in the 70's- 1977 or 78?- Model World I think it was called.. There was a book that came with it that had model plans and me and dad made the semi scale Frigate- a type 41 I think.
That C/01 class engine that escaped by being dismantled and hidden needs its story told!
Well done Blue Bell railway. I remember the Rev Awdrey books fondly. ❤
Correction at 2:14 the bluebell actually has 3 P classes, 323 ‘Bluebell’. 178 is actually called ‘Nettle’ & 27 is ‘Primrose’ which is in parts! A lot of people get confused over this so don’t feel bad, (I know this as a volunteer there, we are the reason the north London tank got repainted!)
my favourite Heritage railway too...I last went in May last year, and the bluebells were magnificent in the woods along the line...you brought back some lovely memories, Jago...thanks!
You've made me dig out my almost 40 year old falling to bits copy of Stepney The Bluebell Engine. Stepney says Captain Baxter is rather rude but that comes from working in a quarry.
I love the Bluebell. I have been a member for many years. The Bessemer restaurant at Sheffield Park is named after Madge , grand-daughter of Henry, who fought to save the line.
On the closure of the Hayling Billy line all the remaining Terriers were preserved, the eldest being 91 years old.
The museum's "least rebuilt engine". Echos of Mr Marshall😂
Wow. The Bluebell Railway was my local when I was growing up (literally lived 5.48km away from Horsted Keynes Station). They had two stations the last time I was there. I can't believe I missed so much.
I like the Epping line. The other end was imortalised in Joe Orton's searing indictment on the lack of public libraries in rural Essex.... yes "Book Lack in Ongar"
I always wanted to go to the Bluebell Railway in East Sussex. Even my mum as well as she also likes steam trains. The railway does have such beautiful landscape and of course amazing steam locomotives that are being used. Amazing train ride for all ages who love steam locomotives.
I absolutely love the Bluebell Railway because it has so many interesting and old locomotives, where other preserved lines have BR 1950's stock. They also have some absolutely classic carriages and I would love to recommend their Golden Arrow train as the ultimate train ride on a UK preserved line. BTW I am a fan of Southern Railway and ask you please to consider doing something on Spam Cans - one of which was in the background at the end of this video.
Jago, thank you for that overview of the Bluebell lines locomotives, I hope we'll see more footage from there soon? I was brought up on the Rev Audrey's railway stores when my father read to us at bedtime, his favourite was Duck and the Diesel as he was a GWR fan through and through!
178 is Nettle aka Pioneer II which worked its last days at the Bowaters Paper Mill. No.27 is Primrose
It was bizarre getting that exact thumbnail shot with my model of Stepney recently, then seeing it pop up on this channel!
If possible, head to the Kent & East Sussex, horrific public transport unfortunately however having tank engine pulling 6 coaches up a 1:60 bank sounds absolutely gorgeous, not to mention the lovely engines, facilities, museum and scenery there!
I can wholeheartedly recommend; really friendly people, and a fantastic museum dedicated to the Light Railways of a certain Colonel H F Stephens... I think if Mr Hazzard is interested in industrial and other 'quirky' lines - he can't go far wrong!
Looked up some photos of the railway when the flowers were in bloom, and my goodness they are gorgeous.
What a delightful video,t hat was fun. Though I do miss the wheel-designations, 0-4-2 and all of that. Silly, but what I am used to.
I caught a glimpse of 34023 Blackmore Vale. I'd love an episode about the Southern Railway Bulleid locomotives. I used to collect their numbers in the mid-1960s.
There are indeed four Yorkshires! It used to be one, with three Ridings plus the City of York, but then there were shenanigans.
At any rate, the correct number of Yorkshires is either ‘one’, or ‘more’.
I dream that one day the glorified headshunt from Horsted Keynes to Haywards Heath will be restored, re-electrified and equipped with authentic prewar malachite green EMUs to recreate the era of Sir Herbert Walker's Southern Railway. Would clearances allow for a double decker?
Also, maybe one day the main line could be pushed on from Sheffield Park to join the 'withered arm' to Uckfield. But if Uckfield to Lewes is ever rebuilt, the whole route might be commandeered for the second main line to Brighton, and the steam locos would have to stay in their museum...
We can but dream!
They’re really friendly - a relative who recently died and was nuts about trains left them money, and so they let us put his ashes into the steam train! It’s a lovely day out, brilliant heritage railway
Tim Traveller's video today is a steam train going through a football stadium in Slovakia.
"And now back to the trains!" - there's a catch phrase right there ;)
Great video on the Bluebell Railway. I always enjoy visiting there when I get a chance. Living within 25 miles of East Grinstead, it is easy to get there by public transport
During a one week summer camp my scout group visited the Bluebell in the 1980s. I think we were using the Broadstone Warren campsite that year.
Back in the 80's I got there with my son and two dogs to discover the last train had run, I loved steam locomotives and especially those of the SR, and the coaching stock. I've not been back to the UK for too many years and must try it again, though my son now lives in France and the two dogs are no more. Wonderful video M. Jago.
I love steam locomotives and heritage railways, so this was right up my street!
The ease of connection with the Bluebell Railway today at East Grinstead is mentioned, however it was a fantastic effort by the people who run and support the Bluebell to reconnect the line North from Kingscote to East Grinstead which was completed in 2013.
It wasn't just a case of re-laying rails along the remaining track bed but required the acquisition of the route, the Imberhorne cutting (that had been used for landfill) to be cleared of earth and waste and the nearby viaduct had to be renovated and certified as safe to carry traffic once again.
Ardingly is another one of those quirky town names that's pronounced differently to what the spelling suggests. I understand that it's 'Arding-lie', not 'Arding-lee'.
Your video here, Jago is a hit! I share your video with some railway enthusiasts and the email discussion has been bouncing back and forth for the week. Some of the members of the group are 3d modelers and are discussing building models of the locomotives shown. Great job for bringing some joy to this crazy world.
Cheers.
Excellent!
0:14 It’s a War of Sussexion
The Bluebell Railway is local to me and well worth a visit. I always made a point of taking our kids for a ride on the steam trains at least once every summer when they were younger. You can't beat that smell of steam and smoke while travelling through the picturesque countryside.
I went there back in June. Lovely to poke around their museum, although the heat meant I wasn't in a fit state of mind to take most of it in.
Bloody hard to find their Sheffield Park station from the road, though. Took me three attempts to find it, and only found it on the third one because I was going super slowly. Parking was also unclear, so I followed my usual system of 'it's not like it's taking up much space' and found a shaded patch to park up in, so I didn't have to walk very far in boots that weren't made for walking.
Can I make a suggestion please? How about a video on their carriages, and possibly any wagons they may have.
They have many waggons! They used to run (I assume they still do?) a mixed goods train as an occasional special.
A longtime ago I had an LP about the Bluebell Railway by Johnny Morris.
Ah! Happy days
Probably one of the many programmes he made for Radio 4, including anecdotes about his fictional friend whose name I can't remember.
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It was a very long time ago.!
I'd like to see the NLR loco back in Derbyshire on the Ecclesbourne Valley Railway, which runs from Wirksworth (and which was also on the Cromford and High Peak)
I have been fortunate enough to the see the Terrier in Montreal on my recent visit to Canada.
While it’s very far away for me, I would enjoy a visit to the Bluebell Railway. As you said, it has such a beautiful collection of random locomotives, my favorite being the two terriers and the E4 (though I hope it can be repainted into Marsh Umber one day). The line has such a very good rural feel with its restored stations.
I've had a meal on the Bluebell Line and it was wonderful ❤
They run Santa Specials but I'm not sure whether they include a Christmas Dinner.
Got married in the waiting room at Horsted Keynes in 2012, and had our wedding breakfast in the pullman cars, chuffing up and down between Sheffield Park and Kingscote. We were even allowed on the footplate (which unfortunately did for my wife's wedding dress!). Lovely setting, superb food and a magical, unforgettable day.
@@iandobson6538 Sounds magical.🙂
Ah, the bluebell railway - as someone brought up in Horsham and now having young boys, I have frequently visited. Captain Baxter has always been my favourite and I was lucky enough to be on a brake van behind him going around Horsted Keynes and up the Ardingly “branch”…
Will there be a part 2 with all the big locos?
Waves 👋 at a fellow Horshamite. (I’m still there for my sins).
Hi Jago, thanks as always. Other floral lines are available! A bit off your normal hunting ground but a holiday visit to the sadly defunct Primrose line in Devon would be great trip.
From 1956 to 1962 I attended school in East Grinstead and to get there from Groombridge I had to take a steam train. So this is very nostalgic, thankyou from Vancouver Canada.
A very good video of a beautifully preserved railway in a beautiful part of the world.There is a good shot of 6106 one of the powerful GW 61XX 2-6-2 tank class(Tonner oners) that operated the bulk of the suburban and outer suburban trains to the west of London.
Although I've not visited for many years, I'd agree with yiur assessment that the Bluebell is one of best preserved railways in the UK. For me, I would add the Severn Valley Railway to that list. 😎
I get the Buddleja railway every day ;)
My first experience of live steam was a trip to the Bluebell Railway in the mid 1970s - good memories.
I love the terriers and have a Dapol O gauge model of Stepney.
It is funny that the livery is called improved loco green when the loco is basically not green, regardless kit is very exotic.
Evening all. Here we are again for another thrilling tale on the rails.
I'm looking forward to having a day out there in October , especially keen to see the pregrouping Southern Rail locos ...
It seems slightly odd to be watching this in the south of France, as when in the U.K. I live just 4 miles away from Sheffield Park and get my car serviced in the industrial estate that used to be the coal yard. Thank you for posting Jago.
another addition to my list. Thanks
Great video. I love steam and the bluebell is one of the best preserved railways in Britain.
More steam videos with jago levels of detail would not go amiss😊
I used to volunteer in the workshop here. Happy times
The Bluebell also has quite an extensive coaching stock, including 4 Metropolitan Railway coaches. These are all ex-Cheham Set coaches I believe. Funny how Cheham keeps croppping up!
Always loved the Bluebell line, just nostalgic for the early days before H&S when you could just amble around the grubby old engine shed or virtually anywhere else you felt like, preserved railway are too sanistied these days
I love heritage railways ❤️ Please could this be a new series? After visiting a good few heritage railways around the UK, I have only recently finished visiting all three geographically nearest to me in Leeds, West Yorkshire, and excellent they all are!
Yes, Jago East and West Sussex, i was born in East sussex, not far from the Bluebell railway. Mum use take us kids to the bluebell railway many times.thanks for the memories.
1:25 The Bluebell Engine did sound familiar and I guessed right!
Admittedly classic trains and locomotives are not my main interest when it comes to trains and transit but Jago gets me invested every time
I understand that small industrial engines are perfect motive power for brake van rides
it’s a shame stepney no longer operates I bet he misses the engines on sodor.
I've done some volunteering at the Bluebell Railway last year as it's quite local to me. I was volunteering at East Grinstead station which is only 20mins or so on the train from my local station
It's encouraging to hear you say such good things about my nearest heritage railway. I only live just outside of East Grinstead so I should visit more often. Normally I just go to watch from the Sainsbury's car park when I'm doing my shopping!
I love the Bluebell, a great range of locos and rolling stock to mooch around. The line has a bit of significance for me because my great aunt and her husband were killed on the line during the war on the day they got married. It's a very sad story
Great video! Talking about old railway stuff, how about a video on the Isle of Man railways, both electic and steam. Plenty of original trains and stunning scenery too!
Just spent the day there, well worth it, thanks Jago
This was lovely. Thank you!
I’d love to get on the Bluebell Train. It seems rather fun.
I remember from long age when a heritage railway became so popular that they had to do daily runs , but I don't remember where ❓️
This heritage railway has more steam locomotives than the *national* railway museum in the Netherlands... and that includes a British War Department loco.
The only larger collection of steam locomotives in the UK is at the National Railway Museum in York UK🙂
Only there two weeks ago but to see a visiting engine- Flying Scotsman. However as i pointed out to my family all the other engines in their own right are famous and interesting to observe.
Bluebells Forever
Correction please Jago, the Bluebell has 3 P class locomotives Nos. 323, 27 & 1178
I think 27505 looked better before the repaint.
It's worked hard, it's a bit knackered, it's carrying on regardless.
I can relate to that.
I was on the Afternoon Tea Train (aka Walden Rambler) in early September, or one of the hottest days this summer. It was so hot inside the cabin, one of the chocolate cakes was melting to death right before my eyes
Not wanting engines named after one just shows how lowly and old-fashioned those Earls were. If someone named an engine after me, I'd be quite chuffed about it.
You remind me a great deal of another fellow--a long ago friend of mine--who also loved old steam engines. However, his name was Gizzard--probably not related. Anyway, Gizzard loved these old buzzards, just like Hazzard. If ever I get a Heritage RR, I'll rename its first engine "Earl of Gizzard Buzzard Hazzard." Keep it coming Mr. Hazzard; we love, love, love it.
Bluebell is very high on the list of things for a UK Trip for me. that and the Talyllyn
Hi Jago. I have a model of the C Class in N gauge and is my favourite model!
Hi there Jago, I have ridden behind Fletcher Jennings 0-4-0T 'Captain Baxter' during a visit to the Didcot Railway Centre. It hauled an Autocoach on the Branch Line.
You have forgotten to mention my two favourite steam locomotives at the Bluebell Railway, they are:
* British Railways 2-6-4T Standard Four Class No. 80151
* British Railways 4-6-0 Standard Five Class No. 73082 'Camelot'
Best wishes and take care. Kind regards, Peter Skuce. St Albans. Hertfordshire.
I might well have ridden behind 80151 on the LTS line when I was a nipper.
The way things are going those old trains better keep working long as possible😂... wow😅
Excellent video as always, thank you!
Also thanks for including the NLR loco, somewhat underrated in my view. Must get my etched brass kit completed one day... It looks rather more forlorn than the real thing.
Two oh so brief glimpses of Blackmore Vale (be still, my beating heart ..), but not even a mention of Sir Archibald Sinclair. You're a hard man, Mr Jago.
That segue was bloody bril .... no: it was just bloody.
It's a shame the extension into East Grinstead couldn't follow the original route but between the branch line being closed and the Bluebell reopening it, some 60 years, the trackbed and land was sold and a housing estate and road built over it. From the Bluebell's idea to go ahead to reopen and it happening took 30 years to raise the money, buy the new land and obtain planning and the new light railway licence, the people living along the line can now leave the car at home or be dropped at Sheffield Park, Horsted Keynes and the other station I've forgotten the name of to go into EG to shop or get the train to London, just a platform change. The line probably carries more passengers now than when the axe fell on it.
Nice railway