Fake TV Refresh Rates As Fast As Possible
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- How do those ultra-smooth motion TVs work, and can they actually deliver the super-high framerates they advertise?
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Holly fuck... I paid to watch a black screen for a millisecond per frame? in a second, that adds up man
Martin Godinez
All those black frames
They were the best part of the emoji movie
Tarik Islam Black frames matter! XP
I prefer locomotion. Dancing TVs are the way of the future.
+The Hoax Hotel whoa, nice seeing you here! Great videos btw.
you make me un poco loco
..cmon baby, dooo the lo-co-motion-
Self-portable like the Banana Jr. 9000?
My university is getting an "800Hz" 4K TV for the back of the games lab... yeah...
ahahahahahahhahaha
+TheSpacecraftX The advertised refresh rate is obviously bogus, but even good manufacturers like Samsung use these misleading terms. It might be a great TV. It's not your school's fault the company calls it "800 Hz".
Input lag is gonna be a bitch.
+EebstertheGreat And calling it "4K" is bogus as well when it's actually only 3.84K.
vwestlife You must get very angry with hard drive manufacturers.
Speaking of frame rates, you guys should really upload in 1080p 60fps. I much more enjoy 60fps videos.
Yes, me too.
Indeed.
24fps gang
i agree they should have but they didn't which kinda doesn't make sense to me as they can now and 60hz 1080p cameras were out in April of 2016 too
For people still commenting this, Linus explained on the Wan Show at Ces (I think?) with the other youtubers.
i think it would have been worth mentioning that tv's with frame interpolation also add a MASSIVE amount of input latency, making gaming terrible. Some of those tv's have the option to disable interp for gaming, but they should be generally avoided for anything other than non-interactive media
+charizard9000 frame interpolation looks like shit though, so should just be disabled all the time. Same for most other "features"
@@bassl0va I love frame interpolation.
I worked as a projectionist in my local cinema, the film projector (yes film, the one you have to rewind) actually only lights the frames every time the picture is perfectly aligned, meaning it has a shutter speed of 48Hz and always shows a frame, followed by blackness, then another frame and so on... It's actually the exact same principle as the tv shutting of its backlight in between frames. I don't think digital projectors work the same way, but it explains he rumbling sounds of the film projector. The band has to move across the light, stop, continue to the next frame and stop again, therefore making a "clack" sound 24 times a second. It's truly amazing.
So when those big TV's at Costco claim 120 or 240 Hz, it's pretty much bullshit?
+P Lindsay yup
+P Lindsay 240hz almost always. 120hz, varies.
+P Lindsay Put a 60hz screen next to a 120hz screen, plug a computer mouse into both of them and move them around both displays...you will see and feel a huge difference
+P Lindsay Maybe not for the 120 one, those do exist.
+Machine Lee Yeah, I'm not denying there's a difference. But I'm suspicious of the labels on TV's. For instance, most computer monitors are 60 Hz, except of course for gaming monitors which are generally 100 or 144 Hz. So when I go to Costco and see TV's advertising themselves as 120 or 240 Hz, I have trouble believing they actually have a faster refresh rate than the computer monitors that have 100 or 144 Hz. Especially when you can get a 120 Hz 40" 4K TV for $500, yet gaming monitors have trouble staying that price even at 27". What gives?
I think not recording the video in 60fps was a missed opportunity for this video
+Hartley Harms we can use frame interpolation to "make" it 60fps
Hey can you guys do a Techquickie on multi processor systems? I'd specifically like to know how it affects things like the amount of PCI-E lanes and how much RAM is able to be accessed by each processor.
That's a great idea
Jack Turner "each processor" totally correct there.
It's probably edited by Terran who still won't deconstruct the 16k rig and is using it as an editing Pc
200Hz + Cyber Soldier Porygon = *Immense Calamity*
I watched all three Naked Gun films on my fathers HD TV, while spending New Years even 2014/2015 at his place... I don't know what the TV did to the quality, but I HATED it. Everyone looked like high-contrasts cardboard laser-cut-outs on a crystal clear background... sounds impressive, but it's not. I even heard the line in Futurama "A higher resolution than real life", which sounds pretty accurate, for how crisp and unnatural everything looks on those types of TVs.
People usually mess with the settings to create the brightest image.....essentially tuning their tv to look crappy. Led tv's are extremely bright. This halo effect your talking about is because he has it in dynamic mode or the sharpness is cranked..... Ugh. Turn contrast up all the way and sharpness down all the way for a good image.
The squarespace ad just isn't the same without Luke interrupting Linus to say "you should"
i got "true motion" 120hz 43" 4k. but my gaming is still 60hz. :(
@@xanorexorcist how do you do that on pc
@@praneelreddy6340 If you have a 120Hz or more monitor, just make sure its enabled from the monitor buttons, then when in-game, select your resolution and the 120Hz option.
Narekaci Shahbazyan ok I did that but only goes up to 60hz is it cause I’m using a tv?
@@praneelreddy6340 It depends if your TV has 60hz or more. If it's refresh rate is 60, then you will not get more than 60hz. Also, you need to be using HDMI 2.0 cables to be able to achieve 4k 60hz.
@@ArthaxtaDaVince777 Do you have graphics card?
Goto Nvidia Control panel or search on TH-cam "Custom resolution in Nvidia/AMD control panel"
NVIDIA just needs to make a TV with G-Sync and all would be good.
Lol why? G-sync matches the FPS output of your gpu with the refresh rate of your monitor because the fps of games change (unless you lock the fps of course). As videos always run at the same framerate this would be useless. Or do you mean for gaming on a TV? Because that would be an even worse idea.
Because movies are 24fps.
And it would work well for games, as long as it's between 45-75 fps.
you're thinking of v-sync. Gsync is the opposite. It matches your refresh rate of your monitor with the fps output of your gpu. Freesync does the same, but is about $200+ cheaper
Mike Crapse No, I am not thinking about V-sync. G-sync handles variability in frames way better than v-sync.
Freesync is "free." But the display companies still have to do a lot of research to prevent ghosting, damage to the pixels, etc. We had quite a lot of freesync panels fail in the first year.
Saugat Manandhar wasn't talking to you lol
I once had an argument with a guy on TH-cam about a year ago who said that his 4K TV was 100Hrz. He was adamant that it was even though I had told him it couldn't cause HDMI at the time couldn't do over 30Hrz at 4K. Fun times, about 15 people tried to tell him but his idiocy knew no bounds and he just kept making a fool of himself.
Backlight strobing does not "create the illusion of more frames". It simply eliminates the effect of pixel transition times on motion blur.
Pixels take time to switch from one color to another which creates blur during frame transitions. By blacking out the screen during those transitions and only turning the backlight on when the pixels have fully transitioned to the correct color you can hide this defect of LCD technology almost completely and create a very sharp image during motion. This however has nothing to do with the "smoothness" you get from watching content at a high framerate which is the result of a decrease in motion judder, not blur.
Edit: I should also point out that it also reduces motion blur caused by eye tracking. And this is actually the predominant cause of motion blur in modern displays. So most of the improvement in motion blur caused by backlight strobing is actually from this. In fact this is why so many OLED displays have motion blur problems despite having nearly instantaneous pixel response times.
+NaturalViolence2
Yeah, that was confusing af. I immediately paused the video and went to Wikipedia to learn what's actually going on. I don't think they have more than half an hour to research these videos.
Penny Lane
I should also point out that it also reduces motion blur caused by eye tracking. And this is actually the predominant cause of motion blur in modern displays. So most of the improvement in motion blur caused by backlight strobing is actually from this. In fact this is why so many OLED displays have motion blur problems despite having nearly instantaneous pixel response times.
NaturalViolence2 Yes, I got this from the Wikipedia article although I failed to really see the problem. It's a phenomenon that happens in the real world, too. So why suppress it?
3:29 I will admit. When my dad FINALLY got an HDTV, it was a "600 Hz Plasma TV", because he thought a really high framerate would make me happy. And I actually got really excited too, and bragged about it for years before somebody online told me "Hey, you do know that it can't actually display 600 frames per second, right?"
At least I was smart enough back then to know that my PS3 could never run fast enough to actually send the TV that much information in the first place, but it was a bit heart breaking to learn that no TV would ever actually be fast enough to show that information once we did achieve framerates that high.
We are at 4k 320 Hz now a msi monitor 😂
600hz plasma reporting in
3:16
+Mario D. Zmaj Hahaha Noob reporting in :P
+Mario D. Zmaj same xD, but I've never even gone up to 60 FPS on it cause HDMI 1.2 FTW (1.2 isn't capable of above 30HZ @ 1080p)
Docter Redstone i can totally tell the difference between 600fps and 550. 550 fps hurts my eyes.
+Mario D. Zmaj Then u must got a decent sillicon valley of eyes
30 years ago, when all we had was slow video, I always perceived it as being in slightly slow motion and blurry, and watching films made me feel half asleep from the effect. In much more recent times I've been able to use interpolation to watch "fake" 144hz films and tv shows, and for me, it looks far more realistic. Going back to slow speed video is actually fatiguing for me, as I have to get used to it again, and my brain has to adjust for what can only be described as 'missing details' in what I'm seeing. I hear a lot of talk online about how it 'looks awful' or 'in bad taste', even heard of some people getting motion sick and having headaches which is odd, but people process information at different speeds. Maybe I'm in the minority, but it works for me
It works for me as well. I've been using frame interpolation for about a year and a half now. I can't imagine going back at this point.
I have been gaming (both consoles and PC) on a motion interpolation-enabled TV (120hz) for nearly 3 years and have experienced little to no downsides. The expected "final" frame of each second still happens at the expected time, so any complaints gamers bring up about potential input lag are hypothetical scenarios that don't actually exist. I have even played fast -paced competitive games like Overwatch and I have a blast. it serves even better for when playing a 30fps-locked game, so you can experience it the way it should've been made.
Is 60 hz okay for gaming?
@@cloudstrife8596 the higher the better, especially on fast paced shooters
Many 4K TVs can actually output native 120Hz but only at 1080p (I assume this is a limitation of the display processor and/or interface)
Your example of motion blur did not show an example of motion blur. It just showed a blurred image.
Well that saves money on motion blur technology
You actually saved me a lot of money, I had been looking at that old SONY PS3 TV thing that claimed to be 240Hz, and I just figured that's what it was, a TV capable of 240Hz.
I have frame interpolation on my PC, it looks good during consistent motion (e.g. panning across a scene) and motion that tends to go along one path. When there is camera shaking and irregular motion, distortion occurs with the frame. It doesn't look good on 2D animations (e.g. anime tends to distort quite a lot during most scenes, but not so much on panning scenes).
A lot of consecutive frame cuts can also cause the software to produce inconsistent results in my experience.
CRT TV's have native backlight strobing for anyone wondering. They can also technically support higher framerates than flat screen based TVs with modifications, though those mods would be quite advanced. Used to have a 240Hz CRT monitor. Only 360p though.
this video is so fake with 30fps!
human eye can't see over 24 fps!
Yes you can... Look at 24 fps movement, then look at 144 fps... Then get back to me
+Lucas Talbert -that was a joke
fat
+Kenneth Zviasky How can the human eye see 24fps when we can only see 4fps?
The Pope how can you see human when you only 30fps
The amount of times luke says "You Should" in the squarespace ad just makes it all the more entertaining.
Look at SVP (Smooth Video Project) if you want to watch anything in 60fps in real time. works better than any in built tv function. requires a decent spec CPU if you want to watch anything above 1080p
That's pretty awesome! Can't believe I didn't know this existed! Thanks, I'm gonna try it out!
Try the older version. 3.1.4 That doesn't tend to go out of sync.
If you have audio synth problems, open control panel and change the quality to lower on the bar. It will go back to synth in one-two seconds.
*sync
For clarification, the refresh rates listed, even if they are only of the 120/240 Hz variety are still misleading. Here's why:
First off, there is no "LED" panel. All panels are LCD. LCD/LED refers to backlight only. All consumer LCD TVs have a fixed maximum refresh rate of 50/60 Hz depending on whether or not they are PAL or NTSC systems respectively. The 120/240 Hz specification is not the *panel* refresh rate, but instead the CPU's frame processing rate. That is, a 120 Hz TV can process 120 frames internally and a 240 Hz TV can process 240 frames internally. This internal refresh rate (I hate using that term for CPU processing) is of use only for frame interpolation on modern sets.
Frame interpolation is where elements of at least two successive frames are received and analyzed by the TV's CPU for processing. On a 120 Hz TV, the frame interpolation will work fairly well for 24 FPS and 30 FPS material as both fit into 120 at least three times. For 60 FPS material such as console games, computer display signals from a GPU, and certain broadcast signals, the frame interpolation used for motion blur reduction suffers from "hiccups". It is often referred to as the "hurry up and wait" effect where the motion smoothing will appear OK for a few frames, then suddenly de-sync for a couple of frames, and repeat the cycle. This is because there is no time to process the two key frames needed to go along with the third interpolated frame. At 60 FPS, on a 120 Hz TV, the TV can process two frames per refresh cycle, which does not leave enough time to inject an interpolated frame every other frame, which is necessary for motion smoothing to work properly. That is why TVs need processing at least three times the panel's refresh rate so that it can inject the interpolated frame in the time of each frame cycle.
In order to avoid the de-sync issue, a TV would have to have internal processing of at least 180 Hz for 60 FPS material to be displayed smoothly. However, there are only 120 Hz and 240 Hz TVs on the market (I ignore all those specifying higher Hz ratings because past 240 Hz there are no gains for frame interpolation). While a 120 Hz TV can perform proper motion smoothing on 24/30 FPS material with virtually no de-sync problems, a 240 Hz TV is needed to perform motion smoothing without de-syncing. In the case of a 240 Hz TV, the CPU in the TV has time to create three key frames and one interpolated frame from that data each cycle. In fact, true 240 FPS (Hz) internal processing leaves headroom in case of any signal issues or errata in a frame. This is why the soap opera effect is so much more pronounce on a 240 Hz TVs than 120 Hz TVs - with more time to process the key frames and interpolate a frame internally and headroom on top of that, the effect is much smoother and more consistent.
As for computer use, the reason the TVs won't accept a 120 Hz signal is because the panels are 60 Hz maximum. The only possibility of that changing is if the TV is 3D capable and accepts dual field 60 Hz stereoscopic 3D signals from the GPU or if the panel is upgraded to be a true 120 Hz (8.335ms) response time display.
Samsung is unfortunately leading the market once again with its disengeuous specifications on its 4k UHD TVs. Those TVs can process 1080p at 120 Hz/FPS, but can only process 4K (3840x2160) at 60 Hz/FPS. Despite Samsung's claims of HDMI 2.0 compliant ports, their H6950 TVs do not use true 4:4:4 chroma signaling. Instead they use 4:2:0 chroma subsampling, a method that is not an official HDMI 2.0 spec, but was added in HDMI 2.0 as an "unsupported" spec. This is to allow the TV to receive 3840x2160p60 signals over HDMI 1.4 systems. It is no coincidence that nVidia used the same trick with their Kepler GPU drivers, which also send only 4:2:0 chroma signals to the TV/monitor instead of 4:4:4 chroma signals. This is to reduce the bandwidth needed so an HDMI 2.0 compliant port is not required. Sadly, even the GTX 980 from nVidia can still only net you a 4:2:0 signal into Samsung's H6950 TVs even though those cards have true HDMI 2.0 ports capable of 4:4:4 chroma signaling @ 60 Hz. This is why nearly every review of the Samsung H6950 series is negative when coming from somebody using it as a computer display. It can display 1080p at 4:4:4 chroma, but not 2160p. Such is the misleading way of Samsung. At the time of this post only Panasonic has a true 2160p60 input that can handle 4:4:4 chroma signals because it is the only one with a DisplayPort 1.2 port. If you are intending to get a 4K TV to use as a computer monitor, be aware that you will most likely need to wait until they start putting DisplayPort 1.2 connections onto their sets as that is the only way to guarantee a proper connection and color reproduction.
Anyway, bottom line is this: If you need motion smoothing for only 24 FPS (Blu-Ray) and 30 FPS (DVD/OTA Broadcast), or 60 FPS Interlaced (DTV) material, a 120 Hz TV will suffice. If you intend to use 60 FPS (progressive scan) material with motion smoothing, you will need a 240 Hz TV to avoid de-sync issues. For PAL regions, substitute 100 Hz/200 Hz TVs for the 120 Hz and 240 Hz specified for NTSC respectively.
I like just because of the Squarespace Ad anyone else?
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Me three
+LzysGraphics Disliked.
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+LzysGraphics nice try squarespace employee
In 2010, I got *120Hz refresh rate Samsung 3D 55" LED HDTV.* I love playing PS4 games on it. Now 2018, high end 4K TVs must be 120Hz refresh rate very good for watching & playing fast motion movies and games. In 2018, many high end 4K TVs *fakes 120Hz refresh rates* such as clear motion rate, effective motion rate, trumotion rate.
I like the soap opera effect. I like my fps high. seeing movies and TV in a higher fps is awesome.
Thank you! Thankyouthankyouthankyou!
I had no idea of fake framerates and all these years I thought there was something wrong with my vision. Every time watching something on different people's TVs looked like a soap opera and it was a headache-and-motion sickness-inducing experience. I was the only one bothered by it, everyone else saying "this is the best Tv picture ever" and not noticing any difference when watching something at my place (got a 6 years old Sony Bravia).
I've noticed Samsung and LG to be exceptionally guilty of whatever fake motion filter they put in their TVs (sadly, also the most commonly sold ones), so every time we've thought of upgrading, all the newest curves and sizes are immediately discarded. The only safe bet (at least personally, so don't go the "i'm offended" road) will be the new, more reasonably over here priced, 4k Sony TV.
I don't really care about higher frame-rates, as long as the picture looks natural and clear, I don't care about "smartness" of the TV because we got a PS4 connected to it, I also don't care about "awesome built-in speakers" because we got a home theater system.
Edit: After seeing some of the comments, i'm starting to wonder if getting just a big 4k monitor won't be a better option instead of an actual tv, since we don't really watch television.
Had this on my second monitor while playing TF2, how'd ya know....
If I didn't know what backlight strobing is, this explanation, especially those pictures, would help me (get confused) a great deal.
You can do better...
that's why monitors exist
Yeah
2:33 *** an actual car halfway between A and B would be wicked, but what you get instead is 2 semi transperant cars at A and B at the same time
24 fps; fully cinematic experience wins again
@@happygofishing7590 Thank God people with eyes such as yourself exist.
I really learned something today, the black fraction explains why with some screens and cameras, you see a flickering image when recording a television
So THIS is why I can't actually game in 120hz, I've been trying so many hdmi cables lol
I finally understand why when watching movies on my uncle's tv the video looks weirdly smoother and gives the impression of moving a little bit fast.
1:34 Hope no one got a seizure... :(
+Victor Tran That is the least apt profile photo for your comment.
Tyrov It always messes up the message when I say something bad :P
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Yeah, I got an LCD TV several years ago that claimed to go up to 240 Hz. I plugged my PC into it and it said it could only do a max of 60 Hz.
+hXc Hector hdmi can only display 60hz. you need a better cable, e.g. dvi 120hz cable to see 120hz
It's been more than 4 years, has TV companies come far enough to have better refresh rates in order to play FPS games on pc yet?
Well now you can get 4K 120hz TVs. And because of those screens and HDMI 2.1 it’s certainly possible to get more, I think currently you could get a 240hz 1080p image or 144hz 1440p image out of them.
To add on top of that:
You'll find a lot of TVs with 600hz advertised refresh rate because it's the lowest number that can display almost all used formats (24, 25, 30, 48, 50, 60, 120) using same amount of Hz for each frame, which improves compatibility and "stability" of the image, you don't shorten or extend any frames because of uneven interpolation.
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The REFRESH RATE link mention within the video does not exist in the video.
Black frame insertion 😏
+Ryan Amberger Black + ???? + Insertion = profit
Fill the hole.
are you 4 years of age
@@decentlyaverage9483 are you stupid of english language
I’ve asked around a lot and haven’t gotten an answer to this question. I noticed that almost (if not all) OLED TVs on the market are only 60hz. I’m wondering why this is? Does OLED technology not require 120hz? Do they have a faster refresh rate by design no matter what or something? I find it odd that there are native 120hz LED displays, but the much more expensive OLED is always only 60hz. Please help, I’m very confused.
_You should_ work on your segue game, Luke.
should have gone into more detail on interpolation.
1. it introduces input lag because it has to examine the next frame and compare it to the previous frame in order to produce a new frame + proccessing time.
2. visual artifacts, the new frames, are just the chip guessing at what whent on between 2 real frames, the guess work is often decent but full of errors.
results are very mixed, the best result I ever got with interpolation was watching knights of sidonia which had a horrendously low native framerate.
High frame rates on video is horrible enough, why try to mimic it?
I love high frame rate on videos 60fps>30fps youtube
+NsdP Q There's a specific reason actually. Sports.
@@Sinoops try smooth video project software it will make any low famrerate video to 60 or higher
or try hybrid
I haven't used any of those technologies on a TV that looks good, the best way to make things look smooth is to have the TV display the same frame rate as the content you're watching.
Gesticulate
you should
Acid
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Acid you know, that was typed by accident, but I'm happy I was able to summon you
I just gesticulated.... I'm sorry :(
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it looks pretty good in my opinion. I have the interpolation type. it starts to get too destructive if you set it to high but it is smoother than low. I keep it at low because it doesn't bother me if the motion isnt perfect. after all it started out at low rates.
like 7 years ago my mom got me a “240hz” playstation tv
Funny thing is today we do have 240hz gaming monitors
We have 360hz and a prototype 480hz
It actually was a high refresh rate panel, but it couldn’t get more than 60Hz from HDMI. The main feature of the TV was that you had two 3D glasses which had their shutters synced differently. Then if you played a split-screen game, the TV would split the signal in half, so that one half of the screen was upscaled to take the entire screen. Now the TV produced two separate image feeds on the entire TV, so if you didn’t use 3D glasses, it would look like trash. So it would send player 1’s frames on frame 1,3,5,7,9 etc. then player 2 on frame 2,4,6,8,10 etc.. The 3D glass shutters then synched up with the correct feed on both eyes, making PS3 split screen games fill the entire screen for both players. Also you could use it for actual 3D content but who cares about that.
3:07 "...some people are just used to lower frame rates making things look theatrical. After all, many movies are filmed and shown at 24 fps."
That's the oft-repeated speculation for why so many people (especially film makers) dislike higher frame rates, but I don't think it's that. People were used to lower resolution televisions too, but no one complained when pictures got sharper. The same could be said about contrast and color depth. There is something different about higher frame rates that sets them apart from other so-called 'improvements' in image quality.
My 32" 1080p sony is actually 120hz even on pc mode and checked on nvidia control panel an managed it to oc to 125hz and connected it via hdmi2.0
Finally someone who makes sense explaining it
"human eye can't see over 24 fps!"
Why are there still so many who believe that? xD
The Eye has *no refresh rate*, therefore its infinite and not!!!
Everybody can see a *clear difference* between 60hz and 75hz... *People who say the cant, simply lie!!!*
+Der WLAN-Kabel-Verband not everybody actually. people that arent used to looking at a screen cant.
jort93z if people cant see a difference i recommend to meet an eye-doctor.... FAST!!!! Because these people obviously discovered something unknown and new!!!
+Der WLAN-Kabel-Verband Actually, it's that the human can't perceive over 24/30 fps. It has nothing to do with the eye, but the filter function every human has to some extent. Some, however, have discern the flicker of the lights beating at the 50 hrz or 60 hrz ranges. The ratings for the 24 fps (PAL) and the 30 fps (NTSC) methods were actually widely studied, it's what made the standards. Because they needed to know how much they could do, because more frames was also more expensive. Realistically, the media is actually displaying at 24/30 but the screens are refreshing at 60hrz. (Or more) Realistically, the resolution and image quality has been more important to the quality for me than the frame rate. After 50-70 hrz, I barely notice a difference, and it has nothing to do with movement quality, it has all that comes with a improved display.
*****
Eye sees motion not pictures...
**frustatedly crying**
***** there are videos of people being able to decide if the screen is running on 120hz or 144hz with the internal switch function. how are they able to do that if they cant perceive more then 30Hz/fps?
Motion interpolation is pretty cool. Are there any manufacturers that do this method particularly well?
watching this on my 144hz monitor at 30hz, they dont bother to upload at least at 60hz
I was looking for this explanation. My ex's Philips tv caused me the false impression of a high refresh rate sometimes while watching games/movies. :)
I hate the average consumer!! "years mate, I'd rather watch this action sequences in a jumpy 24 fps because I've had to watch it like that all my life so I'd rather continue is that way!"
fuck off! I would love to see movie transition into 60 fps, especially the ones that have action sequences that involve shaking the camera while being zoomed in too close.
until that happens I will just keep watching movies at home where I can use SVP to make it a constant 60fps, better that the TVs mentioned here.
+WillMePHD I love SVP, but its a resource hog and screws up anime.
It was an anime setting. You just have to change it in the popup menu.
WillMePHD
I read the article. It still works a lot better on live action. Which is a shame 'cause anime really needs it.
You just need frame interpolation. It's because your refresh rate and video frame rate on the match up. madVR is capable of this as well as rendering your video via DirectX
Liked because of counter strike reference. Even though you're probably a silver or gold nova, Luke, at least you acknowledge the elite CS players.
Big Apple 3am...Cowabunga!
Shouldve put "60fps most games. a few console games" as a sick burn
How can they get away with this misleading marketing...
FSXgta because they don't put hz in the name. It's like 240 smooth motion
+Elliot Kaufman nope, they do whatever the he'll they please, because consumer protection fucked off sometime after 3d, what the hell happened?
Because a lot of those TVs technically can and often do show up to 120/240/etc. frames. There processors just add it through the panel, rather than from the actual source, like a PC monitor. So they technically aren't lying. However, they're not being traditional either.
What bothers me the most with 60 fps movies is the lack of natural motion blur. Even, in real life, you eyes can't see motion as clearly. And since, most 60 fps movie makers don't even bother adding some post proc motion blur, it just feels a bit off. Of course, video games are something else, motion blur can make games look more realistic but are often more distracting than anything else.
Why don't your eyes add the motion blur? Can screens help us see clearer than real life?
YOU SHOULD upload this at 60 fps.
1:26 you meant FPS. You can't record something in Hertz, you record it at frames per second.
The units for Hz are just 'per second' so a 60FPS display is displaying frames at a frequency of 60Hz
3:54 "You should use s-" *closes video and finds another one*
No, seriously. I hate it when you put ads in videos.
Its at the end so youve already watched all of the actual content, soooo...
Secondly, they need to make money somehow, and youtube's shitty unreliable policies sure as hell won't make ads a reliable income.
So tough luck, bye, moron.
Yeah pls fuck off
Rather than making multiple replies on other comments, I'll make several corrections in one post.
(Film) Movies are shot at 24 fps but are shown at 48 fps (each frame twice). 48 fps is the "natural" frequency of the eye.
NEW Digital TV is SUPPOSED to stick to the 24/48 fps standard, however, because of conflicting frame-rates on older material (25/50 for PAL/SECAM and 30/60 for NTSC) this is still a significantly messy area.
UHD is 3840 pixels across. Many manufacturers like to call it "4K" because it's a bigger number. I always differentiate between 4K (UHD) and TRUE-4k (4096). Yes, there are 4.5-5k video cameras out there so that image stabilization can be done in post-production, instead of relying on weird stretching done by in-camera algorithms or expensive gyroscopically controlled lenses.
+Treknology question, how does that 48Hz thing work? if they are shown 2 times after each other, it is the same as 24 Hz? or is there a short black period between the 2 identical frames?
+franziska1007 Yes, each frame is displayed twice, with a blackout between both displays that matches the blackout required to shift the film to the next frame. Most cinemas have converted to digital projection and I don't know whether they simply mimic the analog projection or use a different technique.
+Treknology It will probably depend more on the type of projector ... But most cinema use DLP or LCoS.
Dlp is able to refresh the same image dozens of time with refresh rate over 1000Hz even up to 6000Hz.
LCoS are similar to LCD but still they can handle pretty high refresh so they probably have the time to redraw the same frame many time to. If the chip use 240hz internally it can redraw the same frame 10 time for a 24fps movie.
+Eric Jacques (Leucome) Yes, DLP would make sense, although I wonder how often that "mirror chip" has to be replaced?
They say DLP the chips can last up to 100,000 hours. I guess they can also brake sooner too.
Trumotion makes me sick
George Moore I love it
I agree. Artificial smoothness is disgusting to look at. Give me what the filmmaker actually wants me to see.
So, here is the thing. When you say that you cannot see any difference beyond 60 FPS, first of all make sure that you are actually looking at more than 60 FPS. You cannot see more than 60 FPS on a 60Hz monitor no matter what, since the monitor itself will always show exactly 60 FPS. Then, make sure that you are actually looking at highly dynamical scenes, not just looking at your desktop moving icons around (although between 60 FPS and 120 FPS, I bet, you will see the difference even there). Finally, account for the habit: if you've been using 60 FPS for 10 years and then suddenly receive a 120 Hz monitor, you might not see the difference clearly right away since your eye is used to staring at the old screen. Give it some time, maybe, a day - then revert to the old refresh rate, and you will IMMEDIATELY see a HUGE difference by just moving mouse cursor around. You will see so many frames skipped, you will be shocked that you've never seen them before.
Am I the only one that hates 24fps even in movies? Everytime I watch a movie all I see it the frames stuttering. Especially when there is a landscape shot where the camera is moving over a large terrain. My girlfriend doesn't ever notice it and gets a headache when watching anything over 30fps though.
what you say about your girlfriend makes no sense...
and also eyes can see more than 30 FPS .. Alot more..
its your brain that is not fast enough to process all of them.(yeah, if it was fast enough, our eyes may had high resolution everywhere, rather than just in the center)
but thats just my comment....
+The-BGR Spot I wasn't saying that eyes couldn't see over 30fps. I was saying that I hate 24fps because it doesn't feel smooth like 60fps does. My girlfriend doesn't notice the stuttering of 24fps because she isn't accustomed to 60fps. She isn't accustomed to it because every time we go to play games she asks me to turn down the frame rate limiter because it gives her a headache when I don't. It's pretty common for people to get a headache from high frame rates.
ibarix Did you ever read about The Hobbit being 48fps and people complaining that they got a headache when watching it? Most people didn't even know that it was filmed in a higher frame rate so it wasn't that they were looking anything to be different.
+The-BGR Spot
The Eye has no refresh rate, therefore its infinite (and not)!!!
Everybody can see a clear difference between 60hz and 75hz... People who say the cant: simply lie!!!
+Der WLAN-Kabel-Verband
the eyes can transfer alot of frames per sec.
the brain cannot render them all fast enough
So what exactly should we looking for?
Lmfao fao
Get rekt
My microwave has 2 GHZ!!!
and runs minecraft perfectly smooth, because the power of nvidia magnetron
Lmfao I have a TV in my bed!
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Look at the tv manual. Most inputs on those TV's are 60Hz. If you try to push the input to 75Hz or higher, you end up with a black screen.
Fake taxi... explained
what upsets me is that some standards require a set frame rate, like my 3D vision 2, it requires at least 120FPS from LCD or 85Hz for CRT, and while all of my CRT monitors worked well, when i stepped up the resolution to a "600Hz" HD monitor, i was saddened to find that it would never go above 75Hz, and thus could not be used for 3D
Speaking of 24fps, Xbox one (Or even ps4) is our sponsor today 😂 at their website you can a downgraded pc at 400$.
Neither console run that low... Idk where you got from.
+Borky Bork they run 15 fps on witcher 3
my friend has a tv in his living room that makes every and anything we watch on it look 60 fps super smooth. pretty amazing tbh
My cheap 15.6" laptop has 60 fps buttery smooth screen lol
Motion sickness as fast as possible? I was researching the subject earlier to figure out why I get motion sickness so easily under many different circumstances. I found it is such a complex subject that it might be worth a video. The different ways videos and games a can cause the effect are astounding. It would be nice to see a fully realized research video on this.
im pretty sure i know what youre talking about lmaooo soap opera and fake is an excellent way of describing it
Please do a "Big Data Analytics" & "Data Mining" & "Data Warehousing" video with possible uses in the business world. That would be awesome
Thank you so much! I finally understand why the picture on my brother's tv looked fake to me.
@Techquickie Could we get an updated version of this video with maybe also a dive into the HDR shenanigans manufactures say?
Guy at 2:55 is "Theoretical Bullshit" on TH-cam, some of the best Atheist commentary there is. Really smart dude.
Did you really need to clarify the atheist part? No you didn't.
The Uncanny One Well, that's what his whole channel is about.
Standard refresh is 50hz?
Is it Terran or taran? Im always forgetting...
Isn't backlight strobing similar to low persistence mode displays, like what the Rift and Vive use?
I think it would've been appropriate for this video to be uploaded as 60fps
The title of the video is severed flawed since things like truemotion are indeed in a high refresh rate and its not false advertising (its not a fake refresh rate, but a fake frame rate). Also, a display might create motion blur in fast moving objects with no actual motion blur, e.g., a game with motion blur turned off, but for most situations, there is already an inherent blur due to the low shutter speed settings in most films and tv shows since its only on very well lit situations when you can remove all motion blur. Things like truemotion were never really meant to remove blur or actually create more "real frames" and they never pretended it was. Its just to add a sense of smoothness and that sense is quite real, regardless of whether the quality sucks. Wittgenstein rolls in his grave...
Those fake refresh rates makes it a much more pleasant sports experience.
Right? It looks awesome on ours
Ian Thompson yep, take football (soccer) the ball on fake 100Hz will look much worse than fake 600Hz, people say its fake, but as long as it looks good I dont care xD
+Wiikendz man it is true though but it works!
+Wiikendz man it is true though but it works!
2:58 And this is why I don't like modern tvs high hertz count/gimmicks, I absolutely hate that soap opera effect. People don't fit right against static backgrounds, or the way things look when they pan in a shot.
This "hyper realism" that people complain about is my complaint to lower frame rates. If we have a standard refresh rate of 60Hz and only record video at 30fps, then we're missing out on so much potential for detail. I still think 4K is the wrong answer and we should be going for more frames per second. Many modern HD tvs have the potential to refresh at 120Hz. If you decide to shoot at 120fps (probably not good as the human eye can only see about 100fps) then you're still only using the same bandwidth (theoretically) as 4K and you should have some pretty incredible detail. I do understand the difference between UHD and HD and think we should focus more on improving HD than trying to leap ahead to UHD. Especially with the limited amount of UHD content and limited bandwidth of our internet connections.
Jeffrey Ball defuq ? you need higher bitrates with higher framerates otherwise the video gets completly pixelated because of the low bitrate. and no, pretty much every device on this planet has a 60hz screen, including all these "120/240/480/800hz" tvs.
1440p 60fps 20mbit/s is the sweatspot right now, but it does interpolate with 1080p screens so uhd is the way to go.
wait but ubisoft said I don't need more than 20fps. 60fps isn't cinematic why would I want that?
I hate the "interpolating" TVs. They only ever work on slow motion (so completely defeats the point of having high framerate) as soon as there's any motion that goes too fast, it's immediately noticeable, so the video you see is constantly changing between 60hz and 30hz and sometimes even half the frame will be 60hz while the other half is 30hz. It's so distracting and I don't understand why people like it. Oh, also good luck if your scene has fog or any kind of irregular smoke, it'll look like you're underwater.
My Samsung 40" Full HD Smart TV (UN40J6400AG) has this feature called "Auto Motion Plus". It has some three or four sub-settings, and no matter which one you enable, you always get stuttering. You do have the feeling of a higher frame rate with less blur and what not, but you get stuttering every second or two, which is ridiculous.
When will Linus Media Group make 60fps videos their standard on youtube? It'd be nice.