Queen vs Advanced Bishop Pawn Endgame Technique!
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You should also show the zone for rook pawns. It’s easier.
Doesn’t king to E5 at 2:26 win for white??? If he moves the king then king takes pawn and if he moves the pawn the pawn takes pawn. Am I missing something here? No one’s talked about that move
@@dawghousetv @DawgHouse_tv I think so, but there are also many other mistakes, they were 1200 elo, what matters is the endgame, at 2:19 after black plays pawn to g4, there was pawn h4 for white, and the black king has no entry while white is gonna push their pawn, allowing the enemy king to get to your pawns that fast was a big mistake anyway
I'd recommend you do more videos like these. Very instructional!
Yes very entertaining and useful
Oh yeah, I recommend that Chess Vibes keep making these awesome videos! ♥
03:38 May I add one variant? White is not forced to capture Pg4! Simply pass the h pawn with h4!, and all fields for entry are blocked. (Trading gxf3, gxf3 would not help.) The c pawn will quickly promote.
Good call. But, I also thought of Pc5 @3:44. Black has no good counter move. Using black's g4 pawn to capture, only results in white's g2 pawn filling and blocking when white captures black's old g4 pawn. Kg5 moving to attack whites h3 pawn would drag the game out, but wastes too many moves, IMHO. Regardless, your idea is much more efficient and mine is not as foolproof.
if white keeps a pawn at f3 and h3 each, black‘s king can never come around to capture any of the pawns, so yeah just play c5 and recapture if black captures any of the pawns
but yeah h4 is even better
There was also a variant where you could give up h3 pawn and dont take with Pf3 (instead you push Pc5), then black has to take Pf3. you counter that with Pg2-Pf3 then you could push the pawn on the left. The king has to move in 2 turns to get the pawn on f3 and the 3rd move of the king has to be to get out of the way for the pawn. by that time you arleady got the queen.
the more i get into chess the more amazing the game is. i mean, there is a technique that can cost you the game, and were discovered years ago, the difference is going in almost the same direction; down or diagonaly down. just wow, the game is so much more complicated than seems. just freaking amazing
I'm a super ultra beginner novice with a score of 3, and yes, I'm with you. Such an intricate game with so many ways to play, win, and lose (and draw!).
Awesome content. Thanks for putting it together
I have studied this position before but it was many years ago. It was good to get a refresher on it. Thank you Nelson.
I love these endgame videos. thanks for the content.
I continue to love your explanations!
Thank you very much..... Great lesson
Outstanding lesson. Thx.
Thanks Nelson, great video!
10:46 if after
1. Kc2 Ke2
2. Qe4+ Kf1
3. Qg4 Ke1
4. Mate
I have been watching your videos for a while now. I finally decided to sub because I have learned a lot by watching them. Sure there is still much that I would have to learn to get anywhere near your level of playing chess and I am cool with that.
One of the things that I learned that I didn't know before is quite interesting. I learned how to play chess when I was young forgot how young I was. Then I figured out how to checkmate in four moves pretty quickly. I didn't know that checkmate had a name attached to it. I knew that I wasn't the first one to use though. It was interesting to learn it has a name called; "The Scholar's Mate". I never would've imagined that it had a name attached to it.
I also have to thank you for helping me to see that I have to look at a lot of things before making a move. I have been using them on any quiz videos you make.
Things like is my king in danger of checkmate.
Can I checkmate my opponent's king.
Am I or my opponent ahead material.
Is there any hanging pieces that can be taken for free.
Basically I look for the above along with a few other things that I recently learned from your videos.
10:50 What if in this instance, Black promoted to Knight instead of Queen? Wouldn't that become a draw?
Queen vs knight is a winning position for the queen side. It would delay the checkmate by several moves but that's it.
Absolutely not.
1. Queen & King vs. Knight & King is a smooth win-an often tricky win, avoid knight checks!
2. This position is even worse-Mate in 3 because of White's followup Kd3. This would force the knight to move to a square where it is either captured (in which case White goes Qxg3+ and the Black king is pretty much dead meat) or forced to abandon control of e2, a square intersected on by the White queen and king (in which case White goes Qe2#).
@@oenrn true, but it was black’s turn when the queen moved to d2. If they promoted to knight, they would have taken the queen and it would be a draw
@@Ulaanbasaar If black had promoted to knight, the white queen would obviously not move to d2 where it could be captured.
03:45 Thanks a lot for this instructive video! In this position Ke5 is an easy win for white, as the c pawn will promote.
So interesting thanks
Awesome video....keep going
Good analysis.
3:46 instead of c6 white should play Ke5 and than if black king capture pawn on g2 white king capture pawn on f4 and we have easy win for white
very instructive, a little deeper, but fundamental endgame but very useful
Good knowledge
Thanku sir
Thanx Nels I'm getting better.
I've been playing for over 30 years and have never seen this. I've just instinctively learned to do it. Now it actually makes sense.
I just like listening to chess strategies. I used to play and I was pretty bad (and still am). My school had a week after Christmas break where we took a week of two classes that were mean to be fun. I took one for chess and it was the best one I ever took in those 4 years of high school
3:40 c5 straight up winning as black king will take a while to get through the pawn if g pawn takes either f or h pawn.
h4 too.. even more safe.
At 3:40, is h4 a good move ? i think the pawns can block the king on the fifth line so it's a win for white
04:11 Draw
Fascinating postion
That's pretty great, thanks 👍
Thumbnail on the video said - Please learn this! If i do, how much will you pay me mister Nelson?
Qe3+, followed by Qh5+ and Qh2#
At 2:19 or 2:20.. when black advances with the pawn... Does not white miss a forced win?? To take/exhange pawns on g4 seems like a mistake when white can just play h4... and all pawns on king side gets locked/closed.. and king can't enter either.
Please do another video for the winning zone of rook pawn
How do you Color the squares different Colors?
Wonderful
Kc5 is still winning and is what I would have played, not disputing what you've showed us though! Its just that white messed up, taking on f5 was fine but capturing on g4 was a blunder as it enabled a passed pawn. Silmans endgame taught me this stalemate trick its cool!
3:34 This is another critical moment. White shouldn’t have taken the g pawn, and instead just pushed the c pawn. Black can’t really break through with those pawns
I know the zone of "Rule of square" endgame.
And I understand it.
But what is this zone?
How will I determine to imagine this zone ?
05:13 Kh1 or Kh2 = Draw
How advanced is this? This was some nice information, thank you!
On both occasions when the black pawn got to the end.. would it of made much of a difference if the underpromoted to a Knight??
I assume it would at best prolong a victory for white?? But could it salvage a draw??
3:43 why not keep pushing the c4 pawn?
Black can't do much to stop the pawn from queening and it gives white a lot of extra moves.
Don't understand if the king is not in the winning zone, it can always come in wherever it is. But it doesn't stop there. Still needs to get closer. So what makes it a winning zone and how is that calculated?
What is the basis for zone
At 4:40 the pawn would take the queen and black wins the game. Simple 😂
Qh6 will delay mate right?
Mindblown!
Makes a sense but in Blitz hard to realize it :)
(@3:34) - After 1 … g4, 2 hxg4+ … and black pretty much has to take (1 … hxg4) or move the king to f6 (1 … Kf6) after which white just grabs another pawn (2 gxh5 …) and white now has two passers for black to stop. So 2 … hxg4, 3 c5 … (and NOT 3 fxg3? … which was played in the game). 3 … gxf3, 4 gxf3 … and black’s king has to take the long way around due to white controlling the e4 and g4 squares so 4 … Kg5, 5 c6 and it’s clear white will promote way before black can.
Right, After c5 the king has a longer way to take. Faster is, without trading any pawn, 2. h4 and game over.
How about queen to C2, then advance the white king to take the pawn?
2:27 where is the race ur talking about? White has a pawn thats running but black has no counterplay because black cant push the pawn it just gets tradet and whenever black tries to go after the pawn on g2 just Ke5 and if black takes the pawn u take his pawn
10:46 what happens after Ke2?
2:24 white is winning because white could move his king toward the black pawn.
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That's a lot of stuff I didn't know or even imagine. I'm not sure I can process all of this and remember it.
10:46 It doesn't cover 4... Ke2. White has a cute combo with 5. Qe4+ Kf1 6. Qg4!! Ke1 7. Qe1#. However, it seems more intuitive to play 4. Kc3 so now if 4... Ke2 5. Kd4 Ke1 6. Ke3 wins. If 6... f8=N+ then 7. Kd3 and the knight is lost.
*But what if black sees this coming and underpromotes to a knight?*
Why you can't use pawn pin, so it wouldn't move?
I am Ashish, thanks sir
Nice game, buddy! Next time you'll win it!
@@ChessVibesOfficial for sure
what if theyre aiming for a draw?...
I appreciate the more advanced ideas. I'm around 1100 rating, and I feel like I miss a lot of easy wins because I don't know tricks like this.
Nice
Perfect play it's a draw, there is a few stalemate ideas for black and of played right the Queen can't get the pawn and black can always threaten promotion or stalemate.
I did come into this with an unfair advantage, I have already studied these bishop and pawn vs Queen end games.
3:35 as white you should go h4 then g2 takes f3 there is no way for the black king
What if you change queen from black to horse?
3:40 cant white just push the c pawn for free? Just recapture if blacks g pawn takes either pawn?
The white king is out of the square of the bishop pawn, usually a draw.
Studying the two winning techniques in these positions, instead of trying to remember that weirdly shaped winning zone, I think it's easier to remember that White wins if (a) his king can get to c2 or c3 in one move, or (b) his king can get to g3 in two moves.
How do we know if a square is a zone?
it's really simple make a box and count the moves you can see white is only 5 moves so you have force black to go on the zone
10:47 what if he got a knight? Would that still be a win for white, or would it be a draw?
Queen vs knight is a win.
7:42 !What happens if black promotes it's last pawn to a knight which puts the white king in check straightaway ?
I don't think there's any follow-up with the knight and it's just completely losing
I trought that
11:09 what if Black underpromote to a Knight
At 7:38, what if black under promotes to a knight with check? Does that change anything?
@@HalfABoolean_Studios but would black be able to draw, was my point. Instead of getting mated.
@@danielbillings1876 Good idea, but it's still a win for white - After king h3, knight e3 is forced (any other move gives up queen g2 checkmate), at which point queen e2 wins - there's no knight move that continues to cover g2, and king h1 is checkmated by queen h2.
You didn’t mention that white also could have won by not recapturing on g4 and pushing the c pawn instead.
3:38 doesn't pawn H4 basically end the game? You lock up the position and the King is too slow to stop promotion and if the King takes the step needed you go F pawn takes G4 and the black H pawn will be lost or if the king protects it once again promote the C pawn.
what if the black H pawn takes after you move to g4, instead of having the king intervene?
or just flag your opponent
10:07 How does Kb4 also win? Can't get to c2
Kc3 achieves the same purpose as Kc2 (protecting the queen on d2).
You probably- You probably should be banking with vista card.
There is a zero percent chance I would’ve evaluated that on my own even if I had a week a move
At 3:46 after … Kg2
White should move Ke5 instead of rushing with the pawn. So white should have won.
You mean before ... Kg2, and yeah you are right.
@@generalginyu8594 anyway, I like your content. A lot of interesting stuff
Hey there is no zone in rook pawn let me tell you why.let just tell you left side rook pawn ok. If king go block the pawn it is going to be a stalemate because remember that the left side has a more space to king to go in bishop pawn, now, there is no space because this is rook pawn left side if the king block the pawn to get a queen and the white queen one right side top somewhere you cannot make turn if you make turn it's a stalemate because top queen will cover the cover the space the king can only go top, but, pawn is blocking. That's why rook pawn is a draw. Same thing on the right side.
What if black promoted to a knight instead?
You play with your queen and king and win since knight and king can't checkmate.
Your only concern is to avoid royal fork (you avoid this by puting your queen and king on different colours, or using the squares that are hard to reach for a knight (2 squares diagonally or 3 squares in line)) to progress to lesser enemy's space and checkmate when the enemy king is on the edge. Or you could also fork the knight with some checks and win the knight eventually.
Either way it's a win for White.
who is asheesh?
Thanks Nelson for the content. 10:48 I get a knight instead of a queen as black… draw easily?
No, that's an easy win for white. It's mate in just a few moves, but any position is a win with queen vs knight.
Queen vs knight is a win for white with proper play. The underpromotion stops the immediate checkmate threat, but does end up losing after a few more turns.
1. ... f1(N)+
2. Kh3 Ne3 (the only way to prevent 3. Qg2#)
3. Qxe3+ Kf1 (if 3. ... Kh1, white can play 4. Qe1#)
4. Qd2 Kg1 (white needs to be careful not to play 4. Kg3??, which is stalemate; after 4. Qd2, Kg1 is black's only legal move)
5. Qg2#
This takes exactly as long as if black promotes to a queen:
1. ... f1(Q)
2. Qe3+ Kh1
3. Qh6+ Qh3
4. Qxh3+ Kg1
5. Qg2#
Which is better for black depends on which you think white is most likely to mess up on (probably the queen version).
I saw that move and it could work if they premove
But if they don't premove then white still wins since a queen vs knight will end up in a win for white
7:25 Why would you give two checks when the sole check on f3 achieves the same purpose?
Kh2 exist.
@@jansyrovatka4090 Qxf2+ also exists.
@@mhkk1491 It's exactly the same position as after Qg3+ Kh1 Qf3+.
@@mhkk1491 What do you mean? It achieves the wanted purpose in one move instead of two.
Perfect chess always draw 😂
If he woudnt take the pawn on g4 the second time he would win easily
Promotion to a knight
can queen win 3p
I think at 8:52 white can play Qd2 to win. Pinning the pawn sideways .
I am not entirely sure if it is forced but there is this trick. Black plays Kg1. Kf3 - f1\Q+ . Kg3 and black can’t stop mate or has to give up his queen.
After Qd2, Kh1!
If queen takes pawn, it's stalemate.
If the king moves, the pawn just promotes.
If the queen checks, king moves back to g2.
And he promotes to a knight
i would rather have 2 knights
Ok
Beginner question: Why didn’t you just take the pawn at 7:30?
Because it would end in draw, Black King cant move to any square and it is a draw
@@martvexcfan1124 ahh thank you
I’ve never heard of the winning zone before. Is it a pattern that accompanies the bishop pawn idea? Is there a different pattern for rooks?
I get so much out of your videos. Thanx for doing what you do.
First guys flexing
what if black gets a knight instead of a black queen?
Then white just needs to make sure not to walk into a fork and go to h3. Even if the night jumps to e4 preventing checkmate in one move, the game is over (e.g. Queen to e2 putting white into zugzwang or by simply capturing it and checkmate the King with Queen+King)
l won every queen vs pawn game
So the game ended in a draw?
A draw