What I find most interesting about this; is how Flak based units actually seem to get weaker as their veterancy increases. This is how it looks on quick viewing. However, what is actually happening, is all Flak units, upon reaching Elite status, they ditch having a Single shot Flak hit, and replace it with a tri-shot. Now, this DOES have upsides, and downsides. For starters, all Flak shots have splash damage, so while their single shot damage is lower then the IFV or Gatling Tank; against say... a Squad of Rocketeers, they can actually decimate the whole pack. However, the Tri-Shot lowers the actual damage, in exchange for 3 more shots with wider range. This means, a Veteran (one promotion) is better for Single Target Aircraft elimination; while an Elite (Max promotion) is better suited for squads of aerial enemies. Also, Elite Flaks shoot hella fast on the ground, and can often bury Infantry in a sea of flak. So, in short form: Against 1 Target, Flak falls way behind the others. When against large groups of Aircraft or Rocketeers, Flaks perform better due to Splash, but still struggle to effectively kill things.
farefouse olly it is actually not overpowered because it is a defensive weapon and it can only attack air units, also allies don't otherwise have any good anti air weapon at all....
just hearing a vibe of a Chrimson 1 coming off the aegis cruiser flooding the screen with missiles that dont miss at all really puts the Kirovs to fear the aegis.
Elite Aegis: "Oh, what's this? Instead of running away, you're coming right at me?" Kirovs: "We can't bomb the shit out of you without getting closer." Elite Aegis: "Oh ho! Well then, come as close as you like!"
to be fair, flak was designed specifically for allied air units. Since Allied air units often come in swarms having AOE is allot better than high dps single target. Also the reason why Allied has better single target dps thanks to the Soviets not really having allot of smaller air units more like big units such as the kirov and just some missiles. Also the Aegis is regarded as the best anti-air there is even in one of the missions lol. That Elite IFV OP asf lol... It hits harder than an elite grizzly tank.
Atleast its still fragile as all fuck though. thats probably the one thing that keeps it from being game breaking. I find the only good infantry to stick in a heroic level IFV are snipers or virus
@@mwperk02 Tesla Troopers are pretty fun to stick in them, too. A Tesla IFV out-ranges and out-runs most things in the game, meaning you can kite enemies, destroy them, get a bunch of elite Tesla IFVs in a hurry, then wipe the entire map of enemy presence. Works best in campaign, ofc. There are better ways to win in multiplayer.
Also the Aegis Cruiser must be selected and target the enemy for that best damage. When they are just auto attacking, they don't send as much missiles.
One thing I would like to see added to this is a Veteran Scorpion or Elite Scorpion against a Kirov Armada compared to an Elite Aegis. I'm sure the Aegis will win, but one thing to consider is that the Flak weapons do splash damage.
Veteran Flak track and IFV is around the same against single targets was a suprise. Also Elite IFVs are broken lol. Like......REALLY broken....:P 6:15 Rhino punished the looser.
I used to mod this game, still remember the Missile from Aegis is called Medusa, and Patriot missile is called Redeye, and Mammoth tanks ‘missile is Mammoth Tusks. And the Elite Aegis’ rate of fire needs to be triggered by multi click; auto attack will be slow. Great fun.
@Rick O'Shay only if they are very close, otherwise flak do better on splash damage, so summary overall, flak do better job against fast but low armor air unit such air plane, missile do better job on single but heavy unit such kirov
@@SutraBlue but totally vulnerable to subs, squids and even destroyers. Like Magnetrons and Prism tanks it is quite brittle. And of course the SEAL and Tanya can sink it
What's even more threatening about the elite Aegis is that it has automatic multi-targeting. If you don't micromanage it, it will engage several targets at once, making it the ultimate anti-air unit in the game. In my opinion flak is best though, because they do splash damage, and that's the best possible option for swarms of aircraft.
no star Aegis cruiser can dish out 2-3 kirov on attack mode. But i hope cnc made a cruiser bombardment ship and aegis cruiser 2 in 1. How insane is that.
From a strictly anti-air perspective, the order from best to worst is as follows. 1. Flak Track/Gattling Tank. Flak for the range and splash, gattling against single targets. 3. IFV*. Only selling point is their speed. Lower damage and worse projectiles than the other 2. 1. Flak Cannon. 2. Gattling Cannon. 3. PATRIOT missile system. Flak Troopers are not really used in multiplayer. *When elite its the best anti-air vehicle. Sure its only raw damage, but its enough raw damage to offset missiles' shortcomings compared to flak and gattling.
ifv is super good glass cannon against infantry, tanks, buildings and air when upgraded at level 3. High speed, low tech req, low cost, the downside is the super low hitpoints.
@@llVIU Puting a sniper or a virus in them basically make them into infantry massacre marchines. Of cause, yes, its expensive, but at that point, the enemy can just stop using inf, no point
hey tg I tested with Anti-air and confirmed that If you bring a box that has Firepower in it, use it with the Anti-air unit. It will be more powerful than I thought. Estimated that, Guardian GI uses Rocket Launcher like IFV, highest rank, Flak Trooper. In the low shot until all can be diagonally fired, IFV will increase the strength of the shot until Kirov Airship barely reaches for IFV. Flak truck is the same as Flak Trooper, the Gatling Tank may use drill type Armor to break, which even Tanya and Boris barely get rid of So soon, Floating Disc is hard to get Firepower, but if you get it Can be matched with the Floating Disc with the highest rank of 1 to 1, Sea Scorpion is hard to get Firepower but may be equivalent to Flak truck and Flak Trooper, and the last unit Aegis Cruiser is hard to get Firepower if possible. Accepting it, it is more powerful than IFV, attaching the highest rank to 5-10 times (if there is only one ship). If so, continue to Kirov Airship for 10-20 characters. It is hard to escape.
Also, it's a shame you didn't include an elite Aegis cruiser with the firepower upgrade crate just for shits and giggles. That is the most ridiculous thing you can get in the game, I think it takes less than a second from the first missile impact to bring down a Kirov!
немного смешного из этого выпуска 6:05 ветеран победил элиту, умерла таня, желтый танк спрятался за маяком 7:00 киров орнул 7:05 Крейсер союзников имеет значение! 7:45 желтый начал наступление) 8:18 Зенитчик не нашли с кем бы попить водки в бмп, вот и не хотят стрелять, а в боевой крепосте (2:30) нашел.
Flak is actually the best because anti air units usually tend to focus one target and it make allied anti air unit very inefficient in most case. Just imagine that you have to shoot down a lot of missiles from dreadnought that the soviet use and you will see why it is a big problem.
@@mayshiratoshi6390 note at 7:55, when missiles are fired, they had a target, if the target dies, those missiles didnt track other targets but they disappear. Aegis had to fire another magazine for another target. While Soviet flak, weapon fire is that the same frame as bullet hit the target. And 1 bullet per magazine mean it changes target continuity. This is why Soviet flak never waste a single bullet.
@@C3WhiteRose Heroic Aegis can fire multiple target at once if you don't command it to shoot any single target (It fire only 1 missile per target that enough to destroy dreadnought missile) But if you command it to shoot anything they will salvo all missile at that target. You know Aegis have 2 firing mode right? 1.Is not targeting mode it fire all target at in rang 1 missile per target while don't have any target command from player 2.Is track down mode (in that 7:55 clip aegis use this mode) full salvo on single player command target
Not really related, but I noticed that when the Aegis auto attacks, they attack A LOT slower than when commanded. Try it out. Don't know if that was a bug or not. But that's what I remember.
It's kind of a feature; Aegis' will try to evenly distribute their fire among multiple targets instead of just auto-acquiring one and focusing on that one. I know that behavior causes the slowdown, I don't know *why* it causes the slowdown.
Impossible for GIs to shoot flying target unless they're on the edge of a high enough cliff next to the kirov so they are at equal height, IF the game allows that to be possible.
If iI remember correctly, veteran uses the same weapon data as non veteran one, only with veteran boost to damage, rof etc. Elite uses a different weapon with less damage, but even more rof from burst fire. Also elite has less range.
Wow! Those Aegis Cruisers are incredible against air units when fully promoted. I guess because I just never used them in battle because I have other means of anti-air I just would never realize that
Those units can't gain experience though. and if it does anything on terror drones or dogs it would just give them more armor and hitpoints. Ivan or squids might be more interesting though.
Terror Drones, Attack Dogs and Crazy Ivans cannot gain veterancy. The first three straight-up gain none, while Crazy Ivan's weapon is quirky and doesn't feed experience to them.
Aegis just spits missiles out like it's no tomorrow and just says "Blimps?, what blimps?, all I see are smoldering clouds barreling towards the ground."
Every burst firing unit has a stop fire bug, as in you can fire instantly right after you cancel attack mid burst. I remember using that in to promote ifvs faster.
This is what I always noticed about Allied defense, the more stars or higher their ranks are, the faster and stronger their attacks are. Oftenly, they're more of on the defensive but when they're strong enough, they outmatch the other two factions
Also, take into account Flak Troopers on elite have a "bug". their elite weapon actually deals less damage than their normal weapon even though it fires x2 faster (2x8 instead of 1x20)
5:35'Do not underestimate the Elite Aegis Cruiser because it can kill your Kirov Airships in seconds or Moments with a Swarm of Missiles. Beware of the Elite Aegis Cruiser because it is armed with a Swarm of Missiles that is deadly.
I know, I have seen all your videos, great material btw, but that small part left me thinking about the strength of those buildings, and which ones we should take prior to others, and I am sure that you can make that analysis, more in depth than the logic of " bigger building, stronger building"
The thing about flaks is they are AOE, so if u have a cluster of units ontop of each other, they will do the same damage to all of them in range. that makes them pretty good. they are just niche.
wow very nice work flack technology isn't as weak when there are lot of air units no? shots are not concentrated as the other technologies i mean the perimeter of damage is bigger, the same shot will hit more than 1 unit right?
Well, the point was to show the power of each unit individually. If you know how much damage one flak truck deals then you can expect that it will deal the same damage to any air unit around.
* If you let the Aegis cruisers defend by themselves, the rate of fire is incredibly slower, thus, you should manually attack using an Aegis, except against Rocketeers. * Once the Aegis fully engages its target, you can start maneuvering the ship away or closer to the targets. It's barrage doesn't stop until the target is out of range. * 1 Kirov kill for an Aegis is 1 rank. So by simply killing 3, you can get it to 3 ranks easily. A rank 3 Aegis can down any size of Kirov fleet in a matter of seconds. * Only a rank 3 Aegis can defend itself against a Dreadnought, without having to engage on manual or taking damage. * incredibly unlikely, but a Magnet Tank + a Rank 3 Aegis can destroy priority targets easily.
I didn't know full rank aegis cruiser have that kind of fire power, attack speed and launches numerous missiles. But that ship is designed for air enemies only. But why aegis cruiser didn't know how to attack land enemies? Hehehe
Unlike RA3, amphibious is a thing. RA2 mainly ground units. Aegis is a sea unit which is not common in RA2 maps, and only attack air units.Kirov & UFO barely fly across the sea. With their high price, no wonder their damage is madness.
tg you have two solutions 1. Download Mental Omega (Mod) on This mode you can totally control your devices, but this defence are little different from the originals. 2. Play with your friends on Online or multiPlayer and ask him the air aircraft he approaches with his planes enemies. ^^ Sorry for my bad English I don't use Google Translate... because I want learning my English 😁
So the only (relative) advantage the scorpions have over the Aegis is the splash damage? Hardly seems balanced considering the sheer spammyness of the aegis missiles.
As I said they can also attack ground target and other ships. But Allied units tend to be better than Soviet ones overall. Scorpions, However, are probably still better against rocketeers and missiles/carrier fighters.
I think Flak is good against large numbers of weak air units because it's AOE Ex. Harriers , Rocketeers , V3 / Dreadnought 's missiles , Hornets , Paratroopers Flak can take them down easily but for Kirovs Aegis = Best for counter Kirov , if non-naval war = Elite IFVs
Nice video but you would also have to count the statistics of when the blimp is coming at you versus standing there it will damage your vehicles and part of your army went fallen
Battlefortresses by themselves can't do shit. It's the infantry inside them that are attacking. Loading Guardian Gis in there (the spiritual successor to the classic rocket soldiers from ra1) enables the battlefortress to deal heavy damage to armored units or air units. likewise putting a navy seal or Tanya in one will allow it to mop up infantry no problem. But imo the most broken thing you can do with a battlefortress. Is put 5 max rank GI's in it. You will erase anything and everything that you come into contact with. plus it outranges prism towers and Tesla Coils. Side note: battlefortresses are not in vanilla RA2 they are only available in the Expansion Yuris revenge.
In summary, allied andi-air is great at taking out single powerful units like the Kirov. What this video doesn't show is how effective these Anti-air units are against hordes of units like Harriers and/or rocketeers. The flak tracks, flak troopers, and Sea scorpion would wreck a swarm of rocketeers.
![Red Alert 2: [YR] Testing Tesla Coils](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/bna7rpCwp8U/mqdefault.jpg)
What I find most interesting about this; is how Flak based units actually seem to get weaker as their veterancy increases. This is how it looks on quick viewing.
However, what is actually happening, is all Flak units, upon reaching Elite status, they ditch having a Single shot Flak hit, and replace it with a tri-shot. Now, this DOES have upsides, and downsides. For starters, all Flak shots have splash damage, so while their single shot damage is lower then the IFV or Gatling Tank; against say... a Squad of Rocketeers, they can actually decimate the whole pack.
However, the Tri-Shot lowers the actual damage, in exchange for 3 more shots with wider range. This means, a Veteran (one promotion) is better for Single Target Aircraft elimination; while an Elite (Max promotion) is better suited for squads of aerial enemies. Also, Elite Flaks shoot hella fast on the ground, and can often bury Infantry in a sea of flak.
So, in short form: Against 1 Target, Flak falls way behind the others. When against large groups of Aircraft or Rocketeers, Flaks perform better due to Splash, but still struggle to effectively kill things.
Man those elite agies cruisers, what a sight!
when they're getting attack, they go haywire and shoot even faster too
Op as fuck!
that sound it makes when releasing the missile is like from hell too :)
farefouse olly it is actually not overpowered because it is a defensive weapon and it can only attack air units, also allies don't otherwise have any good anti air weapon at all....
It's the ultimate anti-kirov
You can't beat a Kirov Army.
_Elite Aegis Cruiser: _*_HMB_*_ ._
Who would win:
1000 Elite Aegis Cruisers
Or
*Going over land*
Heck the Aegis cruiser doesn't even need to be Elite.
@@VlRGlL Most RA Maps have water.
@@VlRGlL More like , 1000 elite Aegis cruiser or 1 tentacle boi .
: Non shall pass!
: What?
:Non shall pass! :)
I can imagine everyone screaming and running and they see a Kirov reporting on the horizon while Aegis Cruiser laughs like a maniac.
just hearing a vibe of a Chrimson 1 coming off the aegis cruiser flooding the screen with missiles that dont miss at all really puts the Kirovs to fear the aegis.
6:01 *Tanya dies*
Lol
Boris friendkilled her :'(
Press F to pay respects
RIP
HOW DID YOU EVEN...
Elite Aegis: "Oh, what's this? Instead of running away, you're coming right at me?"
Kirovs: "We can't bomb the shit out of you without getting closer."
Elite Aegis: "Oh ho! Well then, come as close as you like!"
IS THAT A JOJO REFERENCE?!?! XD
Jojo Reference is always welcome
These "references" haven't aged well. The entire internet is so tired of Japanese fans like this guy...
Nothing special to see here just a Jojo enjoyer.
to be fair, flak was designed specifically for allied air units. Since Allied air units often come in swarms having AOE is allot better than high dps single target. Also the reason why Allied has better single target dps thanks to the Soviets not really having allot of smaller air units more like big units such as the kirov and just some missiles.
Also the Aegis is regarded as the best anti-air there is even in one of the missions lol.
That Elite IFV OP asf lol... It hits harder than an elite grizzly tank.
Atleast its still fragile as all fuck though. thats probably the one thing that keeps it from being game breaking. I find the only good infantry to stick in a heroic level IFV are snipers or virus
@@mwperk02
Tesla Troopers are pretty fun to stick in them, too. A Tesla IFV out-ranges and out-runs most things in the game, meaning you can kite enemies, destroy them, get a bunch of elite Tesla IFVs in a hurry, then wipe the entire map of enemy presence. Works best in campaign, ofc. There are better ways to win in multiplayer.
This is why I find this comparison video flawed.
What mission?
Can be confirmed from a dying rocketeer.
7:36 Elite Allied Cruiser : LET LOOSE THE ALLIED FURY!
Rockets red glare!
That's what "ALL HANDS ON DECK" literally means!
Kirov Airship: I fear no unit! But that Aegis... it scares me!
OMG That Elite Aegis is MEDUSA
The missile codename is medusa: cnc.fandom.com/wiki/Aegis_Cruiser
8:41 "It's a sure shot." lol XD
Stop the Kirov abuse! #Kirovlifesmatter
OMG,your word nearly come true
@@mrkhoa6137how?
@@mrkhoa6137 wow thats waht i was thinking...
@@racelkatyusha403 thats what i was about to comment this dude made this hashtag 2 years earlier.
@@khizeraziz4781 true you predict the future
The "few thousand years later" killed me man XD. Anw keep doing these comparisons vids they're great
:D
Many more will come!
Also the Aegis Cruiser must be selected and target the enemy for that best damage.
When they are just auto attacking, they don't send as much missiles.
Also, troops veterancy matters in the battle fortress, try a elite guardian gi, the rate of fire is so high
Wasn't sure about that. Thank you.
Yes you should se snipers in these things at max veterancy gesus christ
max vet sniper in max vet ifv good lord the fire rate
it's difficult since they never raise their ranks inside a battle fortress
the reason to put Tesla Trooper in BF
5 elite GGI in an elite battle fortress…pretty much becomes an elite aegis cruiser on tank treads…effing crazy bruh
One thing I would like to see added to this is a Veteran Scorpion or Elite Scorpion against a Kirov Armada compared to an Elite Aegis. I'm sure the Aegis will win, but one thing to consider is that the Flak weapons do splash damage.
yes but still they lack the damage the aegis would've long been finished with the Kirovs even with the scorpion's AOE
You need to consider cost.
yes, even if you get more scorpions for 1 aegis the aegis will still out do said amount of scorpions
Veteran Flak track and IFV is around the same against single targets was a suprise.
Also Elite IFVs are broken lol. Like......REALLY broken....:P
6:15 Rhino punished the looser.
haha nice catch!
Neko_ValentinE_Butterfly xd
Lol i didnt see that xD
Elite IFV is not an Elite version of the IFV. :P
@@tg.Sacred try killing three Kirovs instead of one, also try.....
6:35, Guardian GI'S should be level three. A level three battle fortress alone won't strengthen the firepower of any infantry inside of it.
Kirov reporting
me: OMFG
aegis: hold my beer...
I used to mod this game, still remember the Missile from Aegis is called Medusa, and Patriot missile is called Redeye, and Mammoth tanks ‘missile is Mammoth Tusks. And the Elite Aegis’ rate of fire needs to be triggered by multi click; auto attack will be slow. Great fun.
I believe flak is AOE right?
yeah only reason why it sucks single target
@Rick O'Shay only if they are very close, otherwise flak do better on splash damage, so summary overall, flak do better job against fast but low armor air unit such air plane, missile do better job on single but heavy unit such kirov
@Rick O'Shay oh right, Im tested flak do better than missiles against barrage of multiple dreadnougt bombing
except aegis though, aegis is cheat unit against air, seriously
@@SutraBlue but totally vulnerable to subs, squids and even destroyers. Like Magnetrons and Prism tanks it is quite brittle. And of course the SEAL and Tanya can sink it
Good video man please do more comparisons! Thanks!
Many many more will come!
Kirov: Gonna level the whole map
Elite Aegis Cruiser: I am Speed!!
Kirov has left the chat
Kirov: "Jokes on you we're staying away from the sea"
dat flak tropper tho
legend says he still trying to solo the kirov
I love how the Elite Aegis has a little victory missile shot before targeting the next victim like "Yeah, can't touch me."
What's even more threatening about the elite Aegis is that it has automatic multi-targeting. If you don't micromanage it, it will engage several targets at once, making it the ultimate anti-air unit in the game.
In my opinion flak is best though, because they do splash damage, and that's the best possible option for swarms of aircraft.
no star Aegis cruiser can dish out 2-3 kirov on attack mode. But i hope cnc made a cruiser bombardment ship and aegis cruiser 2 in 1. How insane is that.
From a strictly anti-air perspective, the order from best to worst is as follows.
1. Flak Track/Gattling Tank. Flak for the range and splash, gattling against single targets.
3. IFV*. Only selling point is their speed. Lower damage and worse projectiles than the other 2.
1. Flak Cannon.
2. Gattling Cannon.
3. PATRIOT missile system.
Flak Troopers are not really used in multiplayer.
*When elite its the best anti-air vehicle. Sure its only raw damage, but its enough raw damage to offset missiles' shortcomings compared to flak and gattling.
Gatling is horrible against fast moving targets because they never have rev up
ifv is super good glass cannon against infantry, tanks, buildings and air when upgraded at level 3. High speed, low tech req, low cost, the downside is the super low hitpoints.
@@matsv201 IFV is worse ngl. Their missiles often miss fast moving targets.
@@llVIU Puting a sniper or a virus in them basically make them into infantry massacre marchines. Of cause, yes, its expensive, but at that point, the enemy can just stop using inf, no point
6:12 some unsolicited tank really want to join in.
hey tg I tested with Anti-air and confirmed that If you bring a box that has Firepower in it, use it with the Anti-air unit. It will be more powerful than I thought. Estimated that, Guardian GI uses Rocket Launcher like IFV, highest rank, Flak Trooper. In the low shot until all can be diagonally fired, IFV will increase the strength of the shot until Kirov Airship barely reaches for IFV. Flak truck is the same as Flak Trooper, the Gatling Tank may use drill type Armor to break, which even Tanya and Boris barely get rid of So soon, Floating Disc is hard to get Firepower, but if you get it Can be matched with the Floating Disc with the highest rank of 1 to 1, Sea Scorpion is hard to get Firepower but may be equivalent to Flak truck and Flak Trooper, and the last unit Aegis Cruiser is hard to get Firepower if possible. Accepting it, it is more powerful than IFV, attaching the highest rank to 5-10 times (if there is only one ship). If so, continue to Kirov Airship for 10-20 characters. It is hard to escape.
WTF? How can a veteran Sea Scrorpion bring down a Kirov faster than an elite one?!?
Elite IFVs are powerful as fk...
They are outright broken. I sometime run mass IFVs for fun, and when I got 2 upgrade crates early game, everyone would just rage quit
It is nightmare fuel man.
That's why I run GB every AI game.
Spy ready... the IFV is too.
Also, it's a shame you didn't include an elite Aegis cruiser with the firepower upgrade crate just for shits and giggles. That is the most ridiculous thing you can get in the game, I think it takes less than a second from the first missile impact to bring down a Kirov!
1:37 - I hear he's still going.
немного смешного из этого выпуска
6:05 ветеран победил элиту, умерла таня, желтый танк спрятался за маяком
7:00 киров орнул
7:05 Крейсер союзников имеет значение!
7:45 желтый начал наступление)
8:18 Зенитчик не нашли с кем бы попить водки в бмп, вот и не хотят стрелять, а в боевой крепосте (2:30) нашел.
Flak is actually the best because anti air units usually tend to focus one target and it make allied anti air unit very inefficient in most case. Just imagine that you have to shoot down a lot of missiles from dreadnought that the soviet use and you will see why it is a big problem.
vs dreadnought I just use 1 heroic Aegis to counter it =w= (Auto target of heroic Aegis is so powerful for multiple target with low hp)
@@mayshiratoshi6390 note at 7:55, when missiles are fired, they had a target, if the target dies, those missiles didnt track other targets but they disappear. Aegis had to fire another magazine for another target.
While Soviet flak, weapon fire is that the same frame as bullet hit the target. And 1 bullet per magazine mean it changes target continuity. This is why Soviet flak never waste a single bullet.
@@C3WhiteRose Heroic Aegis can fire multiple target at once if you don't command it to shoot any single target (It fire only 1 missile per target that enough to destroy dreadnought missile) But if you command it to shoot anything they will salvo all missile at that target.
You know Aegis have 2 firing mode right?
1.Is not targeting mode it fire all target at in rang 1 missile per target while don't have any target command from player
2.Is track down mode (in that 7:55 clip aegis use this mode) full salvo on single player command target
Not really related, but I noticed that when the Aegis auto attacks, they attack A LOT slower than when commanded. Try it out. Don't know if that was a bug or not. But that's what I remember.
It's kind of a feature; Aegis' will try to evenly distribute their fire among multiple targets instead of just auto-acquiring one and focusing on that one. I know that behavior causes the slowdown, I don't know *why* it causes the slowdown.
yup, always tried to get several elite IFVs to take down those pesky airships.. nice to see why presented so "scientifically" :D
I'd like to see elite GGIs inside a battle fortess compared to normal GGIs inside a battle fortess vs a kirov.
Maybe compare that vs the elite aegis.
Impossible for GIs to shoot flying target unless they're on the edge of a high enough cliff next to the kirov so they are at equal height, IF the game allows that to be possible.
Could have told you how that comparison between the Nighthawk Transport and Siege Chopper was going to go- they have the exact same weapon on them.
6:10 tank rolling past: "DAFUQ DEY DOING OVER DER"
7:48
6:15 rhino tank will be saying wtf they are fighting with each other
Very detailed! Keep making more comparisons!
thanks!
Hey TG ! Can you do a video of how capable is Squid against dolphin ?
I definitely will but perhaps not yet. Still trying to cover ground units!
tg thanks mate 👍 appreciate it ! Awesome content you putting up lately 🎩
Thank you very much. It's always encouraging receiving positive comments.
cant you just test yourself though?
6:15 Veteran Scorpion beats elite Scorpion
lol wut
Some guys told me why and I guess it needs a new video.
i'm kinda curious as to what would cause that. A video on that would be great
No it's actual the position. The closer the Flak is the greater the damage and after testing it it deals MUCH more damage when it's below the target.
DISTANCE
If iI remember correctly, veteran uses the same weapon data as non veteran one, only with veteran boost to damage, rof etc. Elite uses a different weapon with less damage, but even more rof from burst fire. Also elite has less range.
Wow! Those Aegis Cruisers are incredible against air units when fully promoted. I guess because I just never used them in battle because I have other means of anti-air I just would never realize that
I don't understand how the Veteran Sea Scorpion destroyed its target before the Elite Sea Scorpion - 5:50 - perhaps RNG on the flak bursts?
Distance in Flack units matter. I just didn't know that when I was making the video.
Ah that's interesting, I didn't know that either!
There are a couple of factors you failed to a evaluate . The aoe effect of the flac, and infantry unit promotions in the allied battle fortress.
Yes, these are tested in the second part!
Please do a video about Level 3 Giant Squid, Terror Drone, Attack Dog and Crazy Ivan.
I'll try to cover every possible unit.
Those units can't gain experience though. and if it does anything on terror drones or dogs it would just give them more armor and hitpoints. Ivan or squids might be more interesting though.
Yuri (deploy skill) and slaves (from slave miners) get to elite level?
Terror Drones, Attack Dogs and Crazy Ivans cannot gain veterancy. The first three straight-up gain none, while Crazy Ivan's weapon is quirky and doesn't feed experience to them.
wasnt the flak stuff aoe? cause they were bad single target as we saw but it hough they could take groups. atleast felt like that with the rocketeers
"It's a SURE shot!"
Nice one! lol
I came here for what the thumbnail showed. And the clip of it did not disappoint.
5 Elite Guadian GIs in Battle Fortress is a monster.
Yep, and add it with Elite IFVs is a deadly combination. Say goodbye to those goddamn Kirov Airships right now 😂
Aegis just spits missiles out like it's no tomorrow and just says "Blimps?, what blimps?, all I see are smoldering clouds barreling towards the ground."
Can you do a V3 interception test? that’s very useful
Soon enough!
Before watching this video i'm going all in, Aegis cruiser stomps everything
Yep, video thumbnail op XD
Did you know that there is a bug on those rocketeers they wont fly they just ran on land... except when you order them to move far away and water
Every burst firing unit has a stop fire bug, as in you can fire instantly right after you cancel attack mid burst. I remember using that in to promote ifvs faster.
Legends say that flak trucks are still firering...
This is what I always noticed about Allied defense, the more stars or higher their ranks are, the faster and stronger their attacks are. Oftenly, they're more of on the defensive but when they're strong enough, they outmatch the other two factions
Also, take into account Flak Troopers on elite have a "bug". their elite weapon actually deals less damage than their normal weapon even though it fires x2 faster (2x8 instead of 1x20)
PS: Seemingly this also applies to elite scorpion
i wonder how to promote or make yuri/yuri prime to be elite and what is the different
Only with physic blast you can promote him.
He is more durable like any other elite unit. Not much difference.
U have to put ranked soldiers inside fortress to make more damage.
5:35'Do not underestimate the Elite Aegis Cruiser because it can kill your Kirov Airships in seconds or Moments with a Swarm of Missiles.
Beware of the Elite Aegis Cruiser because it is armed with a Swarm of Missiles that is deadly.
Problem is it's only in the water
And if your base is on land most likely
Your base would get annihilated especially if the Kirov's have escorts
Oh
However, the Elite Aegis Cruiser is only on water and any escorts of the cruiser shall have 3 or more Elite Aegis Cruisers.
6:28 for inside the Fortress you should use elite rocket units (I don't remember their names)
Tein Meizeshi yes you can check the second version of this video and I have that included
Elite allied units are just something else man, such potential.
Excelent video, please do a comparison of the strength of garrisonable structures
pablo garza there’s a small part in the video “comparing basic infantry” but it sounds like a good idea
I know, I have seen all your videos, great material btw, but that small part left me thinking about the strength of those buildings, and which ones we should take prior to others, and I am sure that you can make that analysis, more in depth than the logic of " bigger building, stronger building"
pablo garza it’s a good idea so I will put it in my to do list
The thing about flaks is they are AOE, so if u have a cluster of units ontop of each other, they will do the same damage to all of them in range. that makes them pretty good. they are just niche.
By the way to make the rate of fire for the battle fortress(forgot name) the GIs in them should have the upgrade or rank to shoot faster
wow very nice work
flack technology isn't as weak when there are lot of air units no?
shots are not concentrated as the other technologies
i mean the perimeter of damage is bigger, the same shot will hit more than 1 unit
right?
yes!
so it doesn't make them less efficient as the subscribers could think
Well, the point was to show the power of each unit individually. If you know how much damage one flak truck deals then you can expect that it will deal the same damage to any air unit around.
Oh by the way thanks tg for giving me all the tips on the suffering prison is hell i really appreciate it
You're Welcome mate! :)
tips on the suffering in prison?
Carlos A yeah i have that one but i want ties that bind so bad :(
huh?
Carlos A well what do mean?
More rocket missiles or More gunpowder or More gattling bullets?
Against a fleet of kirovs, I picture the elite aegis captain laughing like jameson in spiderman 2
* If you let the Aegis cruisers defend by themselves, the rate of fire is incredibly slower, thus, you should manually attack using an Aegis, except against Rocketeers.
* Once the Aegis fully engages its target, you can start maneuvering the ship away or closer to the targets. It's barrage doesn't stop until the target is out of range.
* 1 Kirov kill for an Aegis is 1 rank. So by simply killing 3, you can get it to 3 ranks easily. A rank 3 Aegis can down any size of Kirov fleet in a matter of seconds.
* Only a rank 3 Aegis can defend itself against a Dreadnought, without having to engage on manual or taking damage.
* incredibly unlikely, but a Magnet Tank + a Rank 3 Aegis can destroy priority targets easily.
It has been 8-7 years and in 2018, I just learned that Rocketeers were also anti-air infantries...
Hahhahaahahahah
Flak track can useful when they attack an multiple targets
Imagine if back then Westwood decided that Aegis Cruisers can target surface targets too.
I kind of want to see Sea Scorpion vs Aegis Cruiser when the enemy is a flock of Rocketeers.
Soviet flack guns are meant to have an area of effect to deal with allied plane swarms.
Holy crap, that max rank IFV!
Okay screw that, the max rank Aegis! 🤯
7:03 RIP Kirovs 😭
An max ranked IFV horde can destroy almost everything in a few seconds including an kirov armada
where is cosmonaut
So the alied aegis cruiser is like ahydrofoil?
I didn't know full rank aegis cruiser have that kind of fire power, attack speed and launches numerous missiles. But that ship is designed for air enemies only. But why aegis cruiser didn't know how to attack land enemies? Hehehe
Jerwin Del Rosario it will be too OP.
Unlike RA3, amphibious is a thing. RA2 mainly ground units. Aegis is a sea unit which is not common in RA2 maps, and only attack air units.Kirov & UFO barely fly across the sea. With their high price, no wonder their damage is madness.
The Gattling Canon is better ! Can you comparing tower défense? Flak Canon vs Patriot missile vs Gattling Canon (Tower) ?
I'll try but you can't force attack with those so I need to figure out something else.
tg you have two solutions
1. Download Mental Omega (Mod) on This mode you can totally control your devices, but this defence are little different from the originals.
2. Play with your friends on Online or multiPlayer and ask him the air aircraft he approaches with his planes enemies. ^^ Sorry for my bad English I don't use Google Translate... because I want learning my English 😁
I don't want to use a mod as I want to display the original units and playing with a friend would delay me a lot. :/
tg So what is your solution ? :(
Don't worry I will figure something out!
Gatling cannon is always the best, also in CnC generals (for vehicle the upgraded quad cannon is the best)
Aegis missiles are just like a hand grabbing and slamming those Kirovs down to Earth.
You can get 3-5 scorpions for the price of a single Aegis if i remember correctly though. Also gains veterancy faster.
actually only two :V but they can attack ground
So the only (relative) advantage the scorpions have over the Aegis is the splash damage? Hardly seems balanced considering the sheer spammyness of the aegis missiles.
As I said they can also attack ground target and other ships.
But Allied units tend to be better than Soviet ones overall.
Scorpions, However, are probably still better against rocketeers and missiles/carrier fighters.
I think Flak is good against large numbers of weak air units because it's AOE
Ex. Harriers , Rocketeers , V3 / Dreadnought 's missiles , Hornets , Paratroopers
Flak can take them down easily
but for Kirovs Aegis = Best for counter Kirov , if non-naval war = Elite IFVs
can you make a video of 3 flaks against 3 kirof etc.
need to do another test with equal resources because if you can have 5 flack ships for every ageis crusier for example.
Another good test would be a cluster of kirovs and pairs of each thing. The flaks really start to shine with their splash damage.
Noone gonna say something about that one Grizzly Tank parking next to the Scorpions?
Nice video but you would also have to count the statistics of when the blimp is coming at you versus standing there it will damage your vehicles and part of your army went fallen
What's best depends on the situation, theoretically speaking flak has the highest possible damage output due to it doing AOE damage.
Didn't even know the Battlefortress could even attack air units.... then again, I haven't played vanilla Red Alert 2 in a long time
Battlefortresses by themselves can't do shit. It's the infantry inside them that are attacking. Loading Guardian Gis in there (the spiritual successor to the classic rocket soldiers from ra1) enables the battlefortress to deal heavy damage to armored units or air units. likewise putting a navy seal or Tanya in one will allow it to mop up infantry no problem. But imo the most broken thing you can do with a battlefortress. Is put 5 max rank GI's in it. You will erase anything and everything that you come into contact with. plus it outranges prism towers and Tesla Coils.
Side note: battlefortresses are not in vanilla RA2 they are only available in the Expansion Yuris revenge.
Kirov Reporting!
Allied in Mountain Map: Goosebumps
Allied in Naval map: Laughing hysterically
I'm pretty sure I never saw an elite aegis in any game I play back in the day.
ITs probably because you never went up against Kirovs. Killing a Kirov is like an instant promotion if I'm not mistaken. And they do it fucking fast.
In summary, allied andi-air is great at taking out single powerful units like the Kirov. What this video doesn't show is how effective these Anti-air units are against hordes of units like Harriers and/or rocketeers. The flak tracks, flak troopers, and Sea scorpion would wreck a swarm of rocketeers.
6:58 KHAAAAN~~~~!!!!
Tony L lol