HOTD: Official Podcast Ep. 10 “The Black Queen” | House of the Dragon (HBO)
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- This week, Jason and Greta take on the season 1 finale and the consequences of installing someone new on the Throne. Plus, co-creator Ryan Condal returns to the podcast to discuss the struggles of power, decision-making, creating harmony between the book and the show, and, of course, dragons. listen.hbo.com/GOT-podcast
the performance of Emma in this episode is so shocking. You really see the pain, the sorrow, the fear in Rhaenyra's eyes. I really hope you guys invite them to the podcast. One of the best things about this episode was the connection between the dragon and the rider. Syrax screaming while Rhaenyra is giving birth, Arrax scared to death before the fight with Vaghar, Syrax agitated on the bridge feeling rhaenyra's discontentment about Otto, Vaghar feeling the hate that Aemond cultivates over Luke. Omg AMAZIIING. Great job you guys.
Bring back sexy Milly she's way better and so fine
Ryan comes in 38:56
Ty cant stand the other two lol
@@m_zero3009 lmao, that's why we have czefix
Should be top comment
Ryan Condal's interpretation of the book in relation with the show is perfect; as someone who literally finished the book while the show was on air, I agree with his standpoint completely, that both the book and the show are meant to compliment each other and create one cohesive story made up of equal parts facts and heresay, GRRM is a genius and you can see how much Condal love and respect his work
House of the Dragon is a prime example of a great adaptation. Not only honors the original material but makes it better. Dark, visceral and humans that feel three dimensional, complex. Thank you Ryan, you made a tribute to George's work.
Dont forget Miguel Sapochnik!!!
they are forcing feminism changing alot from the books fuckin up daemons charachter deleting his scenes ( to force us to like the female protagonists ) he has the least screen time remove sarah hess the feminist immediateltly from season 2 before she ruins daemons charachter and the entire show for everyone she insultrd grr martin saying that he made alicent evil so we will change that in season 2 bec. women are angels and men are devils she is a man hater there are feminist agenda and man hating messages in all the episodes she wrote and directed
It has not made it better. It has made it significantly worse by completely changing characters motivations and brutally villifying one side while whitewashing the other.
@@Skozerny which one did it villify and which one did it whitewash?
@@Skozerny it's still largely team black chill your teats
The ending was amazing. Cant wait for s2
Anytime my anger for Otto Hightower begin to escalate I remind myself this fellow is the roomie of Hugh Grant in Notting Hill and my hatred subsides
An all time great 1st season. The return of the Mummer's Farce line was amazing
Mummers farce sounds like a dark arts sex position.
Matt Smith playing a consort twice in his career ought to be an interesting discussion!
I’m surprised they hadn’t discussed the dream after six plus years of marriage.
because Rhaenyra thought he knew. being his heir of 10 years, his father must've told him about that. that is why he said "you know my oath reaches beyond our personal ambition ..a song of ice & fire' and then he said 'what?' = he didn't know it was true until Rhaenyra told him.
they are forcing feminism changing alot from the books fuckin up daemons charachter deleting his scenes ( to force us to like the female protagonists ) he has the least screen time remove sarah hess the feminist immediateltly from season 2 before she ruins daemons charachter and the entire show for everyone she insultrd grr martin saying that he made alicent evil so we will change that in season 2 bec. women are angels and men are devils she is a man hater there are feminist agenda and man hating messages in all the episodes she wrote and directed
deamon didnt choke rheanrya in the books terrible writing
@@steeverogers5274 Lol in the books, there are often three versions of what happened, and it’s made clear in the books that a lot of what happened according to the witnesses might not be true. They’re free to change small things like this, seeing as how the book doesn’t show us the POV of any characters like ASOI&F.
@@steeverogers5274 back to marvel show kid
Best 1 season of any show in years
Dragons sense their rider's emotions. So while they want to be logical, and not take actions, the dragons feel their anger, and react accordingly.
Does that explain Meleys’ indifference to murder just like her rider “YASSS SLAY QUEEN!” Rhaenys when she murdered dozens of racially inferior filthy peasants?
The fact that Ryan loves Visenya made me gain even more respect for him. I gravitate towards that character so much that when I heard what he was saying about her I wanted to high five him.
The future of the show is in good and capable hands! Clearly Ryan understands and respects Martin's vision, looking forward to future seasons!
Me too
Daemon reacted in a way that is typical for persons who choose to funnel their emotions negatively: everything becomes anger and violence. Sadness. Grief. Confusion. Fear. Frustration. Sometimes, even joy can be threatening. It doesn't matter what his feelings are, but as soon as those feelings become uncomfortable for him to process because it requires him relinquishing control (such as crying or admitting he's afraid) he flips a switch and converts it into anger and violence. It's the same reason why he reacted violently w/ Rhaenyra when she started getting aroused in the brothel scene. He was suddenly faced with a situation he wasn't in control with, so he lashed out. It isn't surprising at all that he choked Rhaenyra in a moment of frustration. He's a typical domestic abuser. A lot of times they can be very charming and attractive, charismatic and loving. And then once in a while it's explosively violent and it get progressively worse with lulls in between until they kill you.
The fact that this is the first time we ever see him being physically abusive towards leads me to believe this was the first time he has ever hurt her like that. You could see how shocked she was at his sudden outburst.
If the show wants us to believe he has been abusing her for years, they needed to show it on screen, or allude to it. They didn't, so we can't really use head canon to assume this or that about him off-screen.
@@MyUniqueVibe he definitely hasn't physically abused her before but I'm just thinking as a man who groomed his teenage niece I can't imagine this relationship would have no problems.
@@zippers987 To be fair, most parents in that word groom their daughters to marry older men, if that is required. It's weird af, and disgusting in our world, but was that the case in Westeros? Probably not.
And yeah, Daemon and Rhaenyra's relationship was never going to be the healthiest. They are Targaryen, though, so who knows. It was a shocking scene, to be sure.
Daemon also killed his first wife, and always spoke ill of her. So he is capable of abuse...
@@tsheporabekane4172 He never cared about Rhae, he hated her. This is not the case with Rhaenyra.
Daemon killing Rhae is in the same vain as him killing that guard. Both served to pave the way for him to marry Rhaenrya. So using Rhae as an argument doesn't make sense.
Prince Consort GENERAL Daemon counting dragons like he MEANS it
I mean it exists in their universe so
This season has been excellent! Do I wish that we had more time with specific characters? Yes, but that does not change my opinion. I've loved taking a deeper dive into the Westerosi world and the Targaryen family drama. This podcast has also been such a great companion to the show. I look forward to the future episodes, especially as we have a long wait before S2.
This Podcast has been and will be something i look forward to every week! I love your humour and chemistry and all the new insights we get. You brighten up my mondays 🧡 Thank you
"Clear the room" is Valerian speak for "Oh no you didn't"
Thank you for this beautiful season 1. Everything was just so good. The perfect casting, visceral acting, writing and dragons. Certainly exceeded our expectations.
I got such strong Dany vibes when Missandei was killed- from Emma D’arcy’s last look into the camera
This podcast is actually pretty amazing, very insightful about the show runners real thought process and plan forward, much more intersting information than those scripted BTS video interviews
i loved all the birth scenes, love that HoTD didn't flinch from the realities of women have to face (Both today and in the past).
from start to end I loved this season, looking forward to the next.
I think it is safe to say Ryan has won the GoT fans. He did it 👏
First of all: a HUGE Thank you! to both hosts, Jason und Greta. Since the release and the moment I found this podcast, I am enjoying listening to it so, so much. To get a deeper insight, to get to know, what the motivation was, either for the showrunners, producers, actors, is a pleasure to listen to. I admit, I haven't watched HOTD when it was releasing, as I wasn't able to pay for the streaming channel. So when it was shown on Free-TV, I watched it. And was pretty much impressed, because I felt, that this story is really bold, has multi-facetted layers, so much to tell about relationships, duties, responsibilities, weaknesses, strength, resilience, love, affection, friendships, growing, becoming. But it also shows, as mentioned in this episode of the Podcast, those moments, that are meanwhile cleanwashed, like childbirths. Fact is, that childbirths, until today, remain the deadly cause Number 1 for women, if unasissted with complications. So, from this point of view, these women, who died and die while giving birth or by trying to, still is a reality today. Still because of patriachal structures and/or lived out in the remote parts of this world. Where still those parts lack of a proper medical structure, hospitals, doctors, education. Refering to the childbirth of Rhaenyra in Episode 10, I cry everytime, I watch this scene. Like Ryan Condal said, Emma performed the hell out of it. I simply lack describing words, of what I see. So much courage of Them, to take the audience on this journey, where so much meets; in the end, Love and Pain of Loss and grief. Thank you, Emma! All the best for you and onwards, from now on.
Give us season 2 next month please😂😂😭😭
Aside from the criticism about Daemon, I love every part of season 1. It's amazing. Thank you
HOTD is the Best season 1 ever in the history of HBO !!!!
Calm down😂 GOT S1 is still MILES better than this
Shut up
@@noodle7725 only Westworld s1 can be in the same caliber as GOT s1. Most of this HOTD season is just time jump and prepare for the story and GOT set up the world for this show as well. As a standalone product, I don't think it can match GOT.
As fucked up as the show got after season 2, season 1 of Westworld is still better than season 1 of HotD. HotD is overall an excellent first season, debatable whether it is better or not compared to GoT S1, but there were still some gripes this season of HotD. IMO, season 1 of Westworld is virtually perfect. Then again, sort of comparing apples and oranges since the genres and kind of stories are so different.
You need to watch more HBO shows
You know what I want to know? When Balerion died, what happened to his body? I mean he was absolutely huge, did they just leave him to rot where he died? What if he died in the Dragonpit, did the other dragons eat him? I mean his skull is present, so at one point they had to go retrieve it. Did they cut up his body or move it? Seriously tho, if he died somewhere near to the city and they let him rot, the stench must've been horrendous.
Ryan is so cool! Such a talented person
There is gonna be a lot of applause next comic con
Brilliant brilliant brilliant series!!!!!! I have all my fate back again after the disappointment of got season 8 🎉 thank you George and Ryan
Fantastic example of great adaptation! Mostly fidel to the source material with some minor chages (some like Viseris development for the better)
Daemond has never liked Otto at the first place. Somehow i think he already could sense Otto's presence is to propose her daughter for Viserys. That's what I can see from the beginning of the 3pisode. To be honest, Daemond is the strongest character here. He knows exactly what will happen with the realm. I mean he's not only good at fighting, yet he's also smart
39:00 for the interview
I thought Daemon had seen Laena through the troublesome birth and was scarred too badly to go through it again with Rhanerya
That’s what I felt too. He was internally terrified that it could happen again…
I thought this was pretty obvious 😅
because in case Rhaenyra didn't make it, Daemon still be bound by his duty to put Jace on the throne. he can't just abandon those boys and their rights. they got no one else.
Cant wait for season 2!
You can wait 😂 it’ll take 2 years, friend!
Interview - 39:00
MVP!!!
I love this lady's laugh. She makes me laugh.
I read the book multiple times. I prefer season 1 more than the book. The changes were mostly for the better. It’s amazing
Seriously???
They aren’t changes. The books are written from the view of unreliable narrators. GRRM has said this a bunch of times.
Same. The Greens are made much better characters due to how humanized they’ve become. Neither side is blood thirsty, except for maybe Daemon and Otto.
Me too! I love the book but I definitely love the show! I'm tired of cold-blooded murders! I admire them for doing this!
@@hectormercado9209 no they’ve also made some changes lol, don’t kid yourself. Biggest one that comes to mind is Laenor’s death. In the books, he dies in a sword fight with his lover as he allegedly does in the show. But the difference is…the fight takes in Spice town, a town on the island of driftmark, not in the castle itself. And there isn’t one witness who flees to get the guards…there’s apparently dozens. It’s done in public in like a market place. And there’s no burning of the body to make it difficult to identify…it’s quite clear who it is and Corlys himself makes a trip to collect and examine the remains. Unreliable narrator or not, that’s quite a drastically different story and it’s not easy to play off as “an unreliable narrator” when there’s so many witnesses
This whole season has been great but those last 3 elevated it beyond just great. That finale was 👌 All hail the rightful QUEEN 👸
You mean all Hail Helaena Targaryen. The only true queen👸
*Emma D’Arcy* . 🎬
Remember the naysayers.
Remember how some prejudged & doubted D’Arcy, even when her timespan & role as an adult Princess/Queen Rhaenyra would necessitate far more acting range and gravitas than the younger version of the same character _(all due respect to Milly Alcock's contributions)._
As stamped by the bridge to Dragonstone callback scene, Emma D'Arcy _is_ Pricess/Queen Rhaenyra.
Callback: _"...remind the audience of a previous emotional reaction, and draw those past emotions into the present at a heightened level."_
Amazing first season! Much better than the book! People saying it isn't faithful enough to the book are wrong, and they can take it up with Martin himself. If the writer of the book is happy then what is there to be mad about? Even he likes aspects of the show more than his own writing.
This two year wait will be HELL💯
What!!!!? 2 more years until season 2?!! Nooo!! That cant be true!! Thats just waaay to long of a break for viewers and fans,if thats even remotely true,i will cry for real,and need possible therapy for "show separation anxiety" (if thats even a thing,but i think it should be!!)
@@venessahunt1364 Yes it's true. Even Game of Thrones was a 2 yr. gap between each season. And if you go back he said there just now writing Season 2.
@@KarlaEmilia524 😭😭😭😭
@@KarlaEmilia524 That is not true. GoT was released every season until the final season which was 2 years after season 7. Stop spreading rubbish. There are meant to be four seasons of HoD and it will be released every season barring any changes.
@@pfchim2012 Spreading rubbish. I'm only stating what the creators have already stated. Don't come on here trying talk down to me. About a t.v. show.
Don't think it's right to choke your spouse for any reason but I think the rationale of daemon at that point was he is frustrated why Rhaenyra was not angry as he was. He thinks the greens killed his beloved brother, viserys to usurp the throne and the grief of that news caused his wife to early labor and his daughter to die. Now his wife is talking about some dream. To him, that doesn't make any sense plus he's always been violent and aggressive so that he could gain control.
Man…
What a season…
Fantastic television…
GOT TV is back in a major way…
HBO guys have good eye for great casting, emma and elliot (lucerys) are soooo goood omg
The hell?! Daemon didn’t want a child dead. He got what he wanted? Guys you represent HBO, try to keep on a message of authenticity. His brother was murdered. His daughter was murdered. His wife was usurped. He wanted to avenge this. He is in the right. Rhaenyra was passive. It was enraging him, and the audience. Edit: he’s also crying in the episode as he’s walking towards Nyra and he’s wiping his face. He doesn’t celebrate child killing, it is one of the major tenants of his character is the loss of children.
Its Sara Hess, as long as she is there Daemon will be demonised.
@@StormFalcon61 daemon is not a good guy in the show or the source material (which is all heresay from maestars and a jester anyway). lol
@@StormFalcon61 Ryan chose the throat grab, and apparently George read the script for any notes. So, it seems that the difference in this is it’s more of a choose your own adventure. Versus adapting a novel, but in the end, I do not think that is in character for Daemon’s relationship with Rhaenyra. Outside of that yes, he murdered his non-Valyrian wife. It’s different with his blood. Hopefully going forward they make better choices,
great podcast, so keen for season 2. team black all the way
2024 maybe
Right?! I love this podcast! Keep the man hate, sexism , and misandry coming please!
Aemond is talking in English to his dragon. Not sure if it's a mistake or Aemond's nerves.
Could be! Interesting point. I didn’t think of that
He spoke a bit of valyrian if u listen closely and look at the subtitles
@@m_zero3009 he did but not the entire time, wonder if that was part of the reason? Idk
I wonder how much of that is just a practical thing for the benefit of the audience. The dragons going rogue happens very quickly and it could have been disorienting to try applying subtitles to everything being said. A lot of people watching the show don't know the names of the dragons.
But, yeah, I think it also works in that it's a scene of two inexperienced riders panicking and reverting back to their first language. IIRC there was a scene a few episodes ago with Jacaerys struggling to translate a sentence from high valyrian. These kids aren't necessarily fluent; They probably just know a few commands. And the dragons wouldn't be fluent either.
What they don't get is that fans are not raging because they don't show Daemon as a hero but because they only show him as a villain! Frankly based on the show alone I don't see any redeeming quality in him.. they never show any good side, even his love for his brother is questionable. They delete scenes of him comforting his daughters ,allude to him ignoring the one without a dragon, show him not being a great husband to Laena, have him murder his first wife. The only thing most fans held onto was his love for Rhaenyra and the fact that he would stand by her till the end, and then they go on and butcher that in the last episode.. they didn't even show him comforting her, he didn't even look her way when she gasped in pain, even the scene where he is saddened by his daughter's death is cut short, and then the choking scene 🤦 There's nothing to love about show Daemon, other than his war scenes which was also not that long 😂 and all of these scenes I just mentioned was the choice of the show runners, this wasn't book Daemon! They chose to make him that way, they chose to change book Daemon and then they're surprised people are mad? And then of course Sara Hess is surprised people love Daemon.. they're sure doing a good job of forcing us to hate a fantastic book character
they are forcing feminism changing alot from the books fuckin up daemons charachter deleting his scenes (he never abused rhanerya in the books) he has the least screen time remove sarah hess the feminist immediateltly from season 2 before she ruins daemons charachter and the entire show for everyone she insultrd grr martin saying that he made alicent evil so we will change that in season 2 bec. women are angels and men are devils she is a man hater (she hates daemon and she is upset that fans love him she said that in an interview)
Sarah Hess is forcing feminism changing alot from the books fuckin up daemons charachter deleting his scenes (he never choked rhanerya in the books),she is forcing us to like the female protagonists He has the least screen time. Remove sarah hess the feminist immediatly from season 2 before she ruins daemons charachter and the entire show for everyone she insulted grr martin saying that he made alicent evil so we will change that in season 2 bec. women are angels and men are creating false image in books she is a man hater (she hates daemon and she is upset that fans love him she said that in an interview)
But why you need some shiny knight to admire? Daemon was never like that in first place. Viserys always knew that.
@@dugtass1324 You missed the point didn't you... We don't want a shiny knight. We want a complex character that some people have reasons to love just like some people have reasons to hate. Where both cases are justifiable. That is book Daemon that's exactly how he's described. Instead we got evil character that is just there to stir the pot and people who admire him ( be it because they like book Daemon or because of Matt Smith) are called simps or crazy because how could you like a person like that.
Also does it occur to anyone that she said that she didn't want to be the one to land the first blow and the first blow ended up being the death of her son
Strangling happened in the private moment between husband and wife also uncle and niece, so he was showing that power over her. I can understand the complications
There's no way that any of the subsequent birth scenes were worse than the first.
Holy cow, was not expecting that fight
I was not expecting for Luke to die wow.
Let's the Dance of the Dragons begin. Wow so sad
Daemon was right they should went to war asap
Painted tables will become hot trend for Christmas '22
Ryan part starts at 39:00
This was unexpected ans sad for Luke to die just how he did😭😱. Ain't going to lie this has been marvelous to watched.
Now this is the Domino's effect, Daemon wanted to go war right away and now Queen Rhaenyra Targaryen lost her son.
Dance of the the Dragon is coming wow
The prophecy also explains why Daeron I tried to conquer Dorne and why Baelor tried the convert the North
This Show is EPIC! 😍
Ryan, just don't fuck up this, please! You had a great start. Stay consistent until the end! We are counting on you!
You did a good job in the Colony. Too bad it didn't went until the end.
This time you have to close the game, to finish the work man!
Daemond wasn't ignoring her...it was his way of dealing with all that happened...someone needed to be strong in that moment...
But it meant that he was not there to comfort her when she needed him. You can say that maybe he was there in thoughts but only he can know his thoughts ultimately....
A war was brewing, I can’t stand how everyone hates on every man in this show, HOTDaemon was grieving in his own way which included planning and being alone. Rhaenyra herself was cursing the child for interrupting her planning for her entitled “destiny” and wanted to be alone as well not even allowing the other women to help………but ya Daemon is an A-hole for doing exactly what Rhaenyra was doing but Rhaenyra is sympathetic. Smh
they are forcing feminism changing alot from the books fuckin up daemons charachter deleting his scenes (he never abused rhanerya or wanted war in the books) , they are forcing us to like the female protagonists) he has the least screen time remove sarah hess the feminist immediateltly from season 2 before she ruins daemons charachter and the entire show for everyone she insultrd grr martin saying that he made alicent evil so we will change that in season 2 bec. women are angels and men are creating false image in books she is a man hater (she hates daemon and she is upset that fans love him she said that in an interview)
@@Regenmacher175 Daemon was not ignoring her. He was decisive and strong, doing the necessary because he knew war had already been declared. There was nothing he could do that the Meisters and the Midwives could NOT. And they could not do what he, as a warrior, could do. Rhaenyra didn't even want anyone to touch her because she was in agony. I'm a Mom, and I completely identify with that.
I wish the man hate would stop!
@@RizztrainingOrder She wasn't cursing the child. Any woman who has had a painful birthing would be able to identify. You just want the pain to stop and for the baby to be delivered. Many women do not want to be touched during childbirth. Let alone by your husband. Today, we have epidurals, and women feel no pain. Did you not see the tender way she cradled her baby in her arms? She was weeping all the time. She wrapped that baby HERSELF, preparing her for eternity. She did not hand Visenya over the Silent Sisters. They showed Daemon breaking down on the beach while Rhaenyra broke down, kissing the baby's little feet.
Daemon did NOT abandon Rhaenyra. And she is NOT power-hungry!
The baby’s name was Visenya
The dragons are like any other animal that live with humans... at the end of the day... instinct and their breeding back to defending or protecting itself...
Could also be the hate the dragons have for one another as they have psychic bonds with their riders who hate the other side, or just that Arrax was feeling threatened so it attacked rather than ran. Maybe Vhagar also hates them because Luke is the one who took Aemond’s eye and felt the pain since they might have bonded just before
Daemon was definitely not himself this episode. Yes he is frustrated cause his brother died, his daughter died and his wife wanted peace instead of going to war but it wasn't necessary for him to chocke her. I know it's Daemon we are talking about but the Daemon we know is not violent with Rhaenyra and why would he ignore her while she is in labor??
He was weird this episode and not in a good way. Vibes different to me.
Still my favorite character but come on producers!!
Also Lucerys death was so sad. The poor boy was so afraid. I wished to see more of him.
Choking his wife because he's jealous of her being heir is 100% something Daemon would do and we stan him for it.
Are you unable to come up with ideas in your head?
@@guzkus1 Daemon choked Rhaenyra because he saw Viserys's weakness in her by doing nothing at that crucial moment when they're facing a coup.
@@josemoyano1543 Both yes. But it wasn't only that he saw Vizzy's weakness, it was also that Rhae was treated as a trusted heir and he wasn't.
He ignored he because he is too weak to handle it after Laena's death. He choked her because was hurt by mistrust of Viserys. He was jealous of her and felt betrayed. He was gentle to her before when she acted the way he wanted her to act. I assume as time goes by their relationship will shatter rapidly leading to Rhaenyra having no trust to him and him wanting to die rather than live like that.
Everyone made fun of my “In Condal I trust” comments from like a year ago. Happy to have been rewarded from a fellow fan!
I forget..what was on the page that Ally sent Rea Rea that made her put off her decison to the Hand
They should’ve ask him about the unnecessary choking scene.
Sarah Hess is forcing feminism changing alot from the books fuckin up daemons charachter deleting his scenes (he never choked rheaneya in the books),she is forcing us to like the female protagonists He has the least screen time. Remove sarah hess the feminist immediatly from season 2 before she ruins daemons charachter and the entire show for everyone she insulted grr martin saying that he made alicent evil so we will change that in season 2 bec. women are angels and men are creating false image in books she is a man hater (she hates daemon and she is upset that fans love him she said that in an interview)
"...at the moment." Curious statement. 1:07:13
GOT and HOTD are perfects
Man that's so sad lose two children in one episode
I want season 2 Rhaenyra and Alicent should be their true forms by now. They both have lost agency
Can I get links to Ryan Condal's podcast?!
GOT!!!!!
RIP to Otto's pin
Do you think Aemond was just trying to scare Luke or was he really trying to take out his eye?
Listen. I feel safe with Ryan. D&d ruined my life at one point lmao. I’ve been nervousssss
& this man is clearly a fan 🫡🙏🏼🖤 thank you Ryan 🥹
They didnt care and they just wanna get the job done 🤦🏼♀️
I like Ryan, i dont like the fact that some fans want him out after that finale.
Team good storytelling... Is that team Bran, Mr. Condal? 😉
Something I wonder about the Dragon scene with Aemond and Luke and Vhagar and Arrax, is Aemond survived, so he gets to tell the story. To soften the blow of kinslaying, he tells that he didn't mean to do it. I mean I think he gets off on teasing his nephews, and who knows if he meant it or not, but saying it was an accident as he was the one alive to tell the tale/ history. Plus, we have to wonder if Otto and Alicent said the same thing to Aemond, not to provoke anyone, just go and get support by making a marriage with one of the Barratheon daughters. And also that Dragons are not completely controllable. They are still wild animals, and they were ridden by two younger inexperienced dragonriders. We will see more wild Dragons in the seasons to come and they don't always obey their riders either. I feel bad for Alicent too. She was caregiver for Jaeharys and Viserys, until their ends. Rhaenyra was also a young girl at the time her father name her heir and basically went against the war council before that only a male heir would succeed and ascend the Iron Throne. So sad that a family had to turn on each other and bring their own end to their Dynasty. Otto is one character I will be ok seeing get his ending for the seeds he created in starting all of this.
Ryan Condal jumps in at about the 38:45 mark.
The Dance of Dragons has begin!! 🐉
Why is people liking Daemon's character suddenly the topic of every conversation? It's not like I want him as my partner and companion in life, he is just a veeery interesting character. Even with his questionable decisions, he still has this moral compass that he follows and his redeeming quality was always his love for his family and Rhaenyra. But it's not like people like him for his "goodness" and kindness and ooh, wow, he's so honorable - certainly not, he is just interesting, unexpected, deeply layered and incredibly charismatic, ambitious too and now the showrunners are basically just screaming at us, people who like Daemon, ohhhh how dare you like him? I'm watching a show and I'm entitled to liking anyone I want. Also, their love for the Greens and Aemond is beyond anything. So, I can't love Daemon but they can shove a literal war criminal down my throat because apparently, when Aemond killed Luke, it was an accident and he didn't know that chasing a child with a dragon would not end well because well, dragons... But no, Daemon is a bad guy, not Aemond. I mean yeah, Daemon is not a protagonist but he is nowhere near Aemond who has no moral compass. Just needs to prove his worth to everyone who bullied him in his childhood. Aemond is a classic example of bullied children, who in adulthood hold grudges and have the power to do anything they want.
Exactly! 💯
Facts!!
Preach!!
And don't people like Aemond specifically because he's an asshole? Isn't that why people like Daemon too or am I missing something?
Dude, noone is telling you which character to like or dislike. Just don't lie to yourself as to why you like them. If you like Aemond because he's a wicked villain with a sapphire for an eye that's fine. If you think Daemon's cool for being calm and collected and for not giving a sh*t about others that's fine. Just don't pretend that they are anything other than who they are: nobles fighting over titles and claims and the smallfolk will be/have been the ones to suffer as a result because none of these royals care about them.
That also means you need to allow others the possibility of seeing these characters in ways that differ from yours.
When will you release season 2?
I wonder why they didnt interview Emma D'arcy on the podcast and we got 2 ep w ryan?
An eye for an eye, a prince for a prince
Everybody will die in this series !
Unfortunately, this is true haha. Dont read book spoilers
Luke😔😔😔💔💔💔 I disliked him at first because after stabbing aemond’s eye then he had the nerve to mock him with the roasted pig buuut my heart broke when he said goodbye to his mother..”i mean your grace” the look on his face. He was just a boy! Why send him on a mission like that?? Remember when Jon Snow had to go to every House that supposedly swore oath to the Lord of Winterfell? He didnt send anyone, he himself went to them. What on dragon’s egg were they thinking sending inexperienced boys like their sons? It should have been her or Daemon. Period.
The Queen had to stay there and run the war council ... and one of the podcast hosts says herself you can't send Daemon because how much mess was he going to stir up 😳
He’s just a kid…
Ok but ANYONE with experience on diplomacy or whatever. Luke was just a kid.
Jon was also running the council at that time. It was actually very hard for him what him being just a bastard and his father wasnt able to legitimize him imagine that. But still he went to every House in the North.
should have video tho especially because its on youtube
🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉*RYAN YOU FOOKING GENIUS*
I can’t wait for the how the repercussions of Luke’s death will be shown on the screen 😉😉
I liked episode 4 above all.
That episode was the worst. Absolute weakest of the season.
@@automaticwriting4220 disagree it’s my favourite as well.
I wanted Jace and Luke to claim Vermithor and Silverwing too.
I had to roll through that nasty chase scene. Luc and Arrax were just babies. It was heartbreaking.
TEAM GOOD STORYTELLING 💯‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
Lol how were the blacks flat footed when they literally just had a dinner where Queen acquiesces to the princess and tells her she will be a wonderful queen? From the blacks perspective the beef was basically squashed and the princess was reaffirmed as the next in line
Season 2 when
in 2024
STOP SARA DEMONISING DAEMON
Y'all forgot Baelon, the Heir for a Day, in your body count
This idea Alicent has that Aegon has the potential to be a great king is asinine. She really believes that "with great power comes great responsibility" and that the crown may impress on him a maturity that she has never seen. In honesty, the saying should be "with great power must come the acceptance of great responsibility." This much power doesn't change a person. It allows them to solidify who they are without challenge.
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