HOTD: Official Podcast Ep. 9 “The Green Council” | House of the Dragon (HBO)
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ต.ค. 2022
- In this episode, Jason and Greta take on the penultimate episode of the season and discuss the aftermath of King Viserys’s death. Then, they speak with Director Clare Kilner about the shift in power dynamics, Alicent and Rhaenys’ confrontation, and capturing the iconic scenes & performances.
As a fellow accountant, RIP to Lord Beesbury. The man had zero tact and no ability to read the room. All the conspirators are dog whistling and he just stands up and states facts. Absolute legend.
Haha I like the fact that you mention accountant 💛
My condolences to Phoebe Waller Bridge and Olivia Colman too. Rest in Peace, Fleabag's father!
He read the room: he’s a loyal retainer who would rather die than dishonor the dead king he served for decades.
🤣
Such a missed opportunity to ask about Criston's anger issues given Clare directed both episodes he went on murderous rampages.
42:11 the conversation with Clare Kilner (the director of the episode) starts
Thank you, only thing I came for
MAN!!!
I am so mad we have to wait until 2024 for season 2.
Oh really?? Oh no damn i would have already got married by then
Wait, didn't they start
Depressing
@@nodatastored684 no, they start to film s2 in spring 2023, and since it's a show that requires so much post production it probably be at least a year after they finish filming till season 2 is ready 😭😭
☹️
Well, i dont know why you think Aegon asking "do u luv me?" was a stupid question. He understands that his mother is making him the king to run a puppet show and he will never be free in his life again. By making him the king, Alicent puts aegon in danger of being killed anytime by Rhanerya. I think it was a valid one to be asked. isn't it? I feel Alicent had no love for her son after everything she had to go through because of his sex freakishness. What cersei had for Joffery was love. For Alicent, Aegon is just a convenient tool to fulfill her wishes.
i thought Rhaenys was pissed because they were doing to Rhaenyra exactly what they did to her. taking the crown right up from under her and this time she can do something
With regards to the comparison between Cersi and Allicent, I think people want to believe that your circumstance changes your personality which is not true. WHILE cersi has always been ruthless and ambitious even from childhood (as shown when she visited the witch when she was younger), Allicent was in contrast a sweet, peaceful and trusting person until her father threw her into all these. This is why, no matter how angry she may be, it is not in her nature to be ruthless or merciless. And her being manipulated by Larys is also part of her weakness as she has been manipulated all her life especially by her dad!
She doesnt seem manipulated by Laris though, she knows what she's doing. Watch the dumb foot fetish scene again, she's complicit in providing what he wants for information. She's whoring herself out to retain her position. The veil of righteousness is a giant act, and she believes her own shit half the time. It's disgusting. She's disgusting.
Meleys "The Red Queen" & Princess Rhaenys Targaryen 🔥🐉
Jesus Christ is your creator and He loves you more than anyone else ever could. He wants to take all that weight, worry, burden, bitterness and unforgiveness away from you. Most importantly He wants to take that sin, shame and guilt from you. We are not meant to carry it but He is.
God is holy and His standard for Heaven is perfection so how can we who have all sinned and fallen short of that perfect standard enter Heaven? We transfer our trust from man, from politicians, from this world, from ourselves, from our works, from our pastors/priests, from mary, from buddha, from allah, from idols to Jesus Christ who lived that perfect life and then laid it down and took the punishment that we deserved for our sins. Find a quiet place alone and humbly kneel before God and confess your sins before Him. Ask Him to forgive your sins and to save your soul. Tell Jesus you accept His free gift and ask Him to make you a new creation in Christ. God wants a personal relationship with you. Start one today. He absolutely longs to hear from you. Please don't put it off, we can die at any second. Eternity is forever!
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."-John 14:6
"But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in Heaven."-Matthew 10:33
“For the wages of sin is death (hell), but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord”-Romans 6:23
Erryk was the MVP this Episode 🤟🏻
That fight scene was dope but MELEYS was MVP hands down.
@@SerHuntsReviews Meleys ruined the episode for me.
Rhaenys is a true Targaryen & I am here for it, okay ✊🏿🐉🔥 🌋
Does the killing of dozens of innocent people for no reason make her a true Targaryen?
Rhaenys didn't immolate the usurpers because Rhaenyra has to win the throne to be accepted by the people. They have droned on about how Rhaenyra is an unpopular choice as heir.
The King said Aeons dream, how could she mistake that ? He said Aeons dream first! Catch! Alicent heard what she wanted to hear and interpreted
Well.. after the hunt on Aegons 2nd name day he tell Alicent of a dream he had when he “placed his heir on the iron throne and all the dragons roared as one” he told Alicent by the camp fire he thought it was about aegon…
So she could be thinking about that when it comes to “Aegons Dream”
@@itsdakush I remember that, at the fire, I think her view was warped by the wants of those close to court.
@@itsdakush I thought of that as well, she thought he was reference to his own dream of a son born to him wearing the conqueror's crown. That's why she used Aegon I's crown for the coronation.
Exactly. She is way too smart to think that after 20 years of unequivocally supporting Rhaenyra he outstanding decided "Nah actually I want our rapist son to be King!"
Notice that the one's naming their kiddo Aegon are the ones aware of the prophecy. So many Argon's so little time.
...
Watching again, I feel that Rhaenys held back from dracarysing the entire dais because of how Alicent protectively stepped in front of Aegon. As a bereaved mother, this was a moment of empathy for her.
That's a better explanation than the info the behind the scenes and showrunners provided. Pretty sure that wasn't in the books so they painted themselves into a stupid corner just because they wanted a surprise moment for ep9.
@@kahaluuboy808 haha! At least there's enough doubt/lack of detail in the books while keeping a real sense of the direction of history to allow them to do that. Not gonna make comparisons with any Tolkien-based shows that *completely* ignore the history...
I don't know what show you're watching, but Rhaenys is not on Team Green. She's not a "free agent". She's not into the coup.
It's interesting that the fandom is arguing both that Rhaenys was wrong to kill the smallfolk, but that she should burn the whole Hightower clan. That would have resulted in the deaths of innocents as well - and not just Helaena. There would have been more chaos, more death, more destruction. Additionally, Rhaenys probably didn't want to watch Alicent's children burn to death after her own children died from fire. How else would Rhaenys get her dragon out of the dragon pit? There was no way to take the dragon without hurting someone. And... how many of the people complaining about Rhaenys are those who support Daemon (killed his soldiers with his dragon) or support Team Green (killing people who support Rhaaenyra)? I'd also love to know how many men are complaining about the Rhaaenys scene vs. women complaining about it.
The point of this story is that "is it always the innocents who suffer most, when [the] high lords play [the] game of thrones." Innocent people will be killed right and left, as they were in GOT. Martin is making anti-war statements.
Its just a fiction bro. chill
Not buying the sudden remorse Alicent has found, considering she drilled into Aegon’s head that Rhaenyra wanted to kill them.
Why are we mentioning the Sept of Baelor, which isn’t even a concept yet at this point in history?!
Of COURSE we know that she’s still alive! She is crucial in assisting with some serious revenge!
Why aren’t we hearing from the actors regarding this show?! So many interesting characters who deserve to share the insight into how they came to be.
Its a very possible option that Rhaenyra will kill or banish Aegon, Aemond and the children.
And if Rhaenyra doesnt do it, then Daemon might.
@@cmd7930 so then why does alicent have second thoughts about killing them? Alicents characterization is absolutely awful in this show. They are afraid to make her full bad guy. Just like criston cole. What the hell was that bullshit with beesbury?! The dude would not even be dead from that. This show has such potential it’s so frustrating they make so many dumb blunders.
@@chafrey8532 Because Alicent still loves Rhaenyra and Alicent knows Viserys would hate if Rhaenyra would be killed.
Alicent is not the obvious villain from the book which is good because otherwise it would be very one sided and boring. I'm glad they humanized Alicent and made her sympathetic.
I do agree they are not using Criston Cole the right way. I wish he was more of a thug and yes the Lyman Beesbury death scene was extremely dissapointing. Out of all the book versions, they invented their own death which was just underwhelming. Criston should have sliced his throat or thrown him out the window.
Episode 9 wasnt my favorite either. Really dissapointed with Beesbury's death and the Rhaenys dragonpit scene.
I’m reeling from the episode. Holy shit I haven’t felt like this in forever. 🤯
I don't think the Sept has been built yet. I was trying to figure out what building they were in. But the Sept was built by Balor later on in the histories.
Its the dragonpit in kings landing
the whole episode I was just “clenched” and when Rhaenys made her entrance, it was glorious
God is holy and His standard for Heaven is perfection so how can we who have all sinned and fallen short of that perfect standard enter Heaven? We transfer our trust from man, from politicians, from this world, from ourselves, from our works, from our pastors/priests, from mary, from buddha, from allah, from idols to Jesus Christ who lived that perfect life and then laid it down and took the punishment that we deserved for our sins. Find a quiet place alone and humbly kneel before God and confess your sins before Him. Ask Him to forgive your sins and to save your soul. Tell Jesus you accept His free gift and ask Him to make you a new creation in Christ. God wants a personal relationship with you. Start one today. He absolutely longs to hear from you. Please don't put it off, we can die at any second. Eternity is forever!
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."-John 14:6
"But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in Heaven."-Matthew 10:33
“For the wages of sin is death (hell), but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord”-Romans 6:23
@@JESUSCHRIST-ONLYWAYTOHEAVEN commenting this here, out of context, makes evangelist Christians seem kinda crazy.
This episode is good. Until rheneys made her entrance and turn this episode alright.
Right?! I loved her glass/stone ceiling Breaking “YASSSS queen!” moment especially when she killed dozens of innocent people for absolutely nothing!!! So many epic!
Rhaenys: "Men would destroy the realm"
Also Rhaenys: "DIE PEASANTS!"
HOLY MOTHER OF GOD! Rhaenys just sitting there without saying a word, make everyone including me tremble!
The nerve of these Green usurper cowards, not only to pass news to Dragonstone but also not kissing the ring and imprisoning The Queen Who Never Was, and wanted to massacre the Blacks else like the Romanovs. TEAM BLACK ALL THE WAY! LONG LIVE THE QUEEN!
I mean, she looked rather confused really as if she knew she couldn't kill them because of the plot.
Team Black so far has been nothing but murderers of innocent people: Daemon, Rhaenyra and Rhaenys.
@@cmd7930 And what do you call Team Green for doing coup d'etat, crowning a wanker King, plotting a massacre in Dragonstone like the Bolsheviks murdering the Romanovs, lynching Lords who were leal to Rhaenyra, killing Fleabag's father, imprisoning the Queen Who Never Was, and burning brothels in the city? Good people?
@@Seetha-Golden so far team green hasnt killed so many innocents people team black has killed.
Im neutral btw but team black fans are the worst thing to come out of this show.
@@cmd7930 Thanks, Neutral! You're the best!
Kilner said she’s coming back for season 2.
Lyman Beesburry is actually 80 years old in the book, not 76.
B/s!!! No way, this man that walked into the Throne room to support his daughter and her children suddenly CHANGED his mind about who was to succeed him!!! Every _agonizing step_ he took to SUPPORT her claim to the Iron Throne and Driftmark! REALLY??? As a parent, I say B/S!!!!!
She was AFRAID for HER children's lives! Her father just showed her that she has something to fear, not from HER BFF but from those AROUND her BFF, who will counsel her that the Queen's kids are indeed a THREAT to the future of Rhaenyra's bloodline. The 'Queen that never was' has just reminded her the level of damage a dragon can do and that Rhaenyra has the 'tactical' advantage with MORE dragons at her command which comes with the ability to 'turn the people against her' since REGULAR people are usually the ones to SUFFER during a war!
Alicent tolerates Larys bc he is the only way for her to stay ahead of Otto. She needs Larys.
Wow. Claire Kilner is a brilliant director!
Other than Rhaenys' mass murder, her YASSS moment was epic! Although she proves that Rhaenyra and HOTDaemon or anyone else with dragons are idiots for not just flying up to the other team and burning them.........War avoided, dragons saved.....
Rhaenys had to get out of there to warn Daemon and Rhaenyra at Dragonstone of the treacherous Greens shamelessly blatant treason.
@@andrewforte3852 so she sacrificed dozens to NOT save thousands, Targaryens, and dragons from the inevitable war?
@@andrewforte3852 We've seen other exits of the dragonpit. Stop saying this was the only way out.
also what did the common folk do wrong? They were literally herded like sheep to the dragonpit.
Amazing job!! 👏👏👏
I didn’t see Rhaeny’s scene with Alicent as a “you should seize power.” - when she asked “have you never imagined yourself, on the iron throne?” - she was measuring her. goading for a reaction but also mocking her for clinging to power. She wanted to see what she would say. Then she was disappointed. She saw her as a feeble woman who betrayed her own sex. As she said, kowtowing to men and upholding the patriarchy. I didn’t once see it as her proposing to make Alicent queen and I’m baffled that that’s how the podcasters saw it lmao. But that’s fair I guess if that’s what you get from it.
What about the Targaryen child in the building where they had the children fighting! I thought about Cerisi after her husband died.
aegon in the carriage is legit saying that his dad defo didn't want him to be king i think ur a little bias so ur not seeing the greater significance to that scene like aegons a prick but u need to see the clear layers to his character
I thought to myself "Man that podcast ladies are going to cuss non stop" after watching this show.
Clare Kilner's direction is amazing! no words! gosh had me on my toes! Rhaeny's scene is breathtaking, personally she should have ended everything then and there ..... saved a lot of deaths that's going to come forth! but it is what it is I guess!
Great guest! I was hoping to have her on my podcast as well. She is very talented!
[An ENTIRE episode with no Daemon or Rhaenyra? 🤬]
It was a great episode to me! It was so much going on! Do you think Alicent now regrets what she said about the Kings last words!
Crispin is getting on my nerves
Yes, and that Habsburg Jaw Prince too.
For a while
Same babe
i've realized Criston Cole & Shae have a lot in common character development-wise with each other. whole situation is Sad & Resentful? hundred percent 100%
Rhaenys the real MVP of this episode... beware the beast beneath the boards! A righteous humilliation for Aegon the usurper.
Right?! Her killing dozens of innocent people to not end the inevitable war in order to have the peace she so desires or do anything was EPIC!!
@@RizztrainingOrder The war hasn't started yet.
@@Hear.myvoice that’s abundantly clear, but judging by next episode trailer, Rhaenys knows that it’s about to. So she knows that she could’ve ended it but chose to allow it to proceed
@@RizztrainingOrder She doesn't want to kin and kingslay. Killing "innocents" is not more important to her than making sure her dragon doesn't just sit there, but not killing her kin is.
@@guzkus1 there was another exit, and that’s a lame reason to kill dozens of innocent people who were forced to attend. By not kinslaying the few she is dooming all of her kin to be slain.
Lady Mysaria The White Worm is not dead. On the contrary she was three steps ahead knowing her life was in perpetual danger. She'll have her revenge along with Daemon on the Greens in season 2 after the untimely tragedy at Storm's End. This episode will match the Red Wedding from GOT they are BLOOD and CHEESE.
Exactly!
Shame. She is the weakest part of the show with that stupid accent.
You only hear what you believe to be true, as always, as to everyone
Really keep a close eye on who was involved with this episode and have them take a step back. This episode felt inferior to the rest of the season.
It's crazy that within a week we get arguably the best episode of the season (ep 8) aside from the last scene, and this week we get the worst episode. I'm hoping the finale sticks the landing but this episode by far is the worst thus far.
Wow…people really are limited. This episode had to happen the way it did to set up the next episode and add context. For this one, you had to turn on your brain and open your ears
Lmao “turn on your brain and your ears” what are you 6 years old? Not everyone has to like this episode there are some who see the glaring flaws compared to an almost flawless episode 8. You don’t need to come in that hot it’s not that serious sweetheart.
please bring back the writing of episodes 1-8, and for the love of god stick to the damn books when it comes to big events, why would you kill all these civilians to send a dumb message that you can send by burning some of the greens in that moment, maybe the ones who are not her kin? since apparently she is kin sensitive. I also wonder if the people of king`s landing will ever take our side after the massacre?
I hope they deviate even more. I love when book readers get up in arms esp in this instance where the writer of the books has said they are from the viewpoint of unreliable narrators.
The finale, aka the "Rhaenyra also ran participation trophy at dragonstone" episode to send the viewers home happy. Ala the Robb Stark in the Season 1 finale treatment lol. Can't wait for Season 2. AeGOAT's reign is gonna be glorious. But sucks it's not gonna be out till like 2024. The coronation was amazing, finally a budget permitted real coronation at the dragonpit. Could've done without that "give something to the fans to be happy about" Rhaenys triumphal moment.
Rhaenys hasn't read Fire & Blood to know of horrors to come. So her pre-emptively nuking half her own family would've been OP. Having said that, the Rhaenys bit was to give audience a 'send home happy' moment which wasn't necessary. The coronation was fantastic in itself. But gawd forbid the ''bad guys" are on top in one episode. Those who thought lowborns of KL have any obligation to support Rhaenyra are in for big disappointments. Aegon claims his birthright from popular King Jaehaerys' Great Council ordering that the king's firstborn male son is the next king. Viserys himself won it over Rhaenys like that. Best part of this was the politics, less dragons the better. Despairing mom version of alicent does highlight her humanity more than the colder iteration of the actual green council. A well needed adjustment imo but also a continuation of her Harrenhall or knife scene mistake. They've constantly shown subtleties in her character which the audience tend to wilfully ignore since we're watching this as a team sport and we gotta cheer team lovable manipulative dad. Her being more humanized shouldn't be an issue unless one wants the show to remain grotesquely tilted towards Black (Laenor death,Rhaenyra ordering Vaemond's death, etc)
I
The point of a war of the roses type dynastic rivalry turned civil war is the process of escalation. Neither side starts of saying we're gonna commit the maximum atrocity in the most optimum way like a Bond villain. The march of events force things to spiral out of control. As one side commits something heinous, the other side wants "getback" and it elevates into a cycle. Therefore burning everyone down when nothing has happened is some sigma brain stuff but not something a rational actor would do. It's a shame Rhaenys didn't read Fire & Blood to be clairvoyant. If Cat simply poisoned the Lannisters at the Witnerfell feasts then she could've stopped AGOT. Robb Stark should've immediately executed Talissa as a suspected spy. He should've executed Qyburn to save the world. The austrians should've killed baby HitIer. Rhaenys killing a bunch of the peasantry actually adds to the smallfolk's distaste of the Targaryen regime and what they do later.
Lovely clare kilner ❤
"everything u feel for me….as ur queen." I can't handle that level of palpable sexual tension lol. Ironic cause in a way they are the cersei and jaime of this show lol.the last 3 mins aside,i thought this was an excellent episode. it felt like a white house political thriller with a "race against time" feel from start to finish suspense. When Otto was moving around these chess pieces, Beesbury screaming, Caswell hanging..I was on the edge of my seat. I knew how good it was when it had reactors already coping for compeuppance lol. Tom Glynn-Carney showed excellent range as Aegon. But it got overshadowed by 3 mins of a Rhaenys "happy ending" smdh lmao. This crowning ceremony was a visual historygasm, finally befitting a king in got verse. All the actors for Otto, Alicent, Aegon did a great job. And that "window in the wall of your prison" line is one of the best lines we've heard so far.
Alicent is surrounded by a bunch of self-serving men. Unfortunately, she is playing into it especially with that foot fetish scene! 😂
Haha yeah disgusting dude... Like, come on where is her dignity? Selling her foot figure for a pervert foot fetish men...
She’s as self serving as those evil men, she isn’t playing into it she’s actively and knowingly keeping it going
joking about her sexual assault is disgusting
Also I’m sure the beneath the board’s is, spoilers
Blood and cheese which is suspect will be the end and show things are out of control
Great episode. Classic GOT ending. Was it just me or was anyone else screaming DRACARYS!! HA! ON a serious note, love this podcast because I'm always curious to know what other people are thinking and talking about. I also love to hear from the perspective of the actors and directors. It certianly shares some light on things. I have a love-hate relationship with Alicent. Every time I think she's going to do right she turns around and let what people say get the best of her. Loved the convo between her and Rhaenys, and even though I wanted Rhaenys to burn them all at the cermony i'm glad she didn't. Because the mssage she sent to Alicent was "I could've burned you and your entire dynasty right here right now, but i chose not to". Such a great ending to the epsidoe. Kinda bummed next week is the last one. Oh and Jason & Great love the recaps every week, but if I may the death count was defintely more than 250. I would say closer to 1000. See ya next week! #TeamBlackBaby
By my count, the Greens have only one dragon?
The coup didn’t happen because of the prophecy. The prophecy is simply a gossamer’s thread slipping away into oblivion (and the knife will be lost too by the end of the series I’m pretty sure). But the prophecy did not change 20 years worth of motivations. It seemed that only Alicent grasped for straws in Viserys’ last words to find a moral justification for what she was always going to do. It’s understandable for someone who was in such a psychological pressure for so long. But her motivation was always a prophetic fear of her son’s safety. For others the prophecy was simply a pretext. Otto was always set on having his blood on the throne. Many if not most of the Lords were always set on having a male heir. The prophesy didn’t serve as a catalyst for the coup. The coup was always fated. The prophecy served as a self-deluding moral impetus for Alicent and a pretext for others. . It very much fits the Fire & Blood Alicent trying to hide behind her self-righteousness. Neither was there a shift in the Queen's character. Alicent Hightower, who totally didn’t have any moral pangs of conscience in episode 6 & 7 and who plotted so coldly and successfully about Harrenhal (lol) and in the immediate aftermath of her son’s eye getting taken where Rhaenyra somehow came out looking good and oh Vaemond too, Rhaenyra again comes out on top by manipulating daddy dearest. This is exactly what Alicent has always been portrayed in the show. Ppl who had issues can just say that they don't want her to be even a little bit humanised instead of being shown as a cartoon villain in opposition to the cartoon Disney princess that Rhaenyra has been shown as. But it’s ok to whitwash all of Daemon & Rhaenyra’s crimes.
Wait, he said Aemond 🤣🤣
I feel like Rhaenys did not torch the Hightowers then and there not only because she sympathized with a mother protecting her children but also because despite being on team Black, I think she still very much harbors ill feelings towards Rhaenyra especially with the death of Laenor. In a scene last episode, it is clear that Rhaenys does not quite trust Rhaenyra when she says she does not have anything to do with Laenor’s death.
She is on team Black, but she hands the greens’ fate to Rhaenyra. Who is to say she does want Rhaenyra to suffer a little from this war? The scene with Meleys was epic fan service but it does not make actual sense
For those who have read the fire and blood book - would you rather you had not read it to avoid spoiling the show?
No. Actually added to the series...Read it or listen to it
@@melaniecohen4633 thanks for the reply
The coronation is great. Aegon looks cute.
This was a hard episode to watch for me. While I like certain characters on team Green, I really really hate Criston and Otto and watching them be so smug in this episode had me legit angry.
Now, great job to the actors. That's what we're supposed to feel, but to not have a certain level of reprieve from these characters was hard and I think that's why this episode needed Rhaenys.
Now, I love these performances and think what Olivia Cooke has done with Alicent is fantastic. That Ewan Mitchell's presence is my favorite addition to the show thus far. And the portrayal of Helaena by Phia is far too pure for this world. I am just so glad Eve Best was in this episode. She added the perspective of the audience by knowing what the Hightowers were doing is wrong. No matter how you feel about Rhaenyra, we know she is Viserys' heir and that Alicent misunderstood him and even more disgustingly, that Otto was planning this coup all along.
So to see Rhaenys call out Alicent for always being used by and more importantly, being an active participant, in this patriarchal society was extremely satisfying. And to see her disappointment in Alicent, I think was crucial to her choosing Rhaenyra. No matter what she thinks Rhaenyra has done, she's not going to allow the Throne to be stolen from her. It's a really great character moment.
While I'm sure we'll see the murder of Luke in the finale, which is going to devastate me, I also wonder if that's the inciting stress that cause Rhaenyra to also lose Visenya. Because in the book, it's all the stress after Viserys dies. This final episode could be one of the most devastating finales we've ever seen. I'm both excited and dreading it.
When asked why did Rhaenys not kill everyone in the podium with her dragon, the director completely dodged the question. Of course. No logic behind this scene. Why have it in the first place? Just fan service, to show off the dragon, without any regard for logic and plot.
The sept didn't exist on that time.
I was blown away by the details in the coronation. It felt like watching Nicholas II being crowned in an Orthodox ceremony with all the hollow pomp & circumstance of a rotting system. It's what I'd always envisioned from a GoT coronation. Tom Glynn-Carney was terrific in bringing out Aegon's fear, hesitation, pride & euphoria all at once. I'm glad they kept the much despised Criston putting the Conqueror's crown on Aegon II's head. The Kingmaker is born! What the show's doing really well is the details, down to splitting the treasury or locking up servants. Usually the passionate debates, the treachery, the heartbreak are glossed over & we only see the regime change as "fait accompli". This bring to life the mechanism that historically goes behind a palace coup, which I assume is as emotionally taxing for the people seizing power. That's why I like agonized & conflicted Alicent more than her steadfast source counterpart. It feels way more flesh & blood. She vacillates but her messianic fear for her children fates her to make a cursed gamble.
Why did Otto present a different crown?
Presumably that's Aegon the Conqueror's crown, the one who conquered the seven kingdoms. This is Their way of trying to make a stronger statement with naming this Aegon King, more power. That's what I think at least.
I heard (thru the book readers) that someone stole it to give it to Rhae.
Aegon was crowned with Aegon I’s crown of rubies. Viserys’ crown is gold and will be given to …..
@@ShiningLight411 Viserys’ crown was stolen.
It makes no sense that rhaenys didn’t kill them. i’m sorry, but no matter how bad or cruel or tyrannical it would have looked, it would have ended the whole civil war.
Easy to say that when we know what’s coming, In that moment she couldn’t kill Alicent and her children, like Rhaenys’ children were taken from her… it isn’t an easy decision to make and it WILL come back to bite them in the ass
Rhaenys will regret that very soon.. She and her dragon have very little time left.. It is the year 129ac, same year Princess Rhaenys Targaryen & Meleys die.. 😕
Kinslaying is like... the worst conceivable thing a person can do in this series
Easy said than done
Imagine thinking it would be easy murdering your family members. Hindsight is a thing, people. She doesn't the shit about to go down. Perhaps she thought with Rhaenrya having more dragons, they would win easily.
Rhaenys on her dragon dressed in her dragon outfit went right to Alicent showing her woman Power! You go Gurl!🔥🔥
Is that all you folks care about? ''WoMaN POweR!''? What about good writing?
Sht was awful
Pls who's Sara ?
Because Rhaenys "the Queen who never was Maegor the Cruel" full title, did not read Fire & Blood and is not omnisicient like Bran and neither is she an anime villain. people have worm for brains.
Can someone please talk about how dark all these episodes are. I mean the lighting, not the tone. It’s hard to see anything. Hire a new lighting director.
7:19 simping 😢
What’s up with the podcasts obsession with female guests. 9 shows and we only got the showrunners and Fabian. Where’s Matt smith? Steve Toussaint? Hell Paddy will never be on the show again and you didn’t even have him on after that great performance. Why no male directors?
The beesbury death leaves me with no faith for the future of this show. Even if you’re gonna make it an accident at least make it look real. Cole barely puts any force into the push. So stupid. Stop watering down characters cause you’re worried what people will think.
Obviously Rhaenys is for Team Blacks
Would love to hear from Emma next.
Thanks for directing it, but perhaps the writer can come on to explain why they made the braindead writing decisions they did?
What decisions?
How was the foot fetish scene the most disturbing thing in all of Thrones to me. Lol jk but only a little.
Did ya'll really have to use the word "cuckolded" in the show? 😑
In this context (and more in older laguage/biologically) it means not specifically a men who's not pleasing his woman enough and let's her get f-ed by another dude... it focuses much more on the fact that a cuckold speaks of a man that (willfully) raises children of his wife while knowing those children aren't biologically his by blood.
Daemyra nations Daemyra Kingdoms love you Clare!!!! 💕❤
Yeah, no. This didn’t land for me. So tired of this “evil patriarchy” narrative being forced into the story. Seriously, none of the women are bed? Alicent’s character has been watered down, compared to her depiction in the book, to where she’s innocent in all this? It’s her evil father Otto, and all the other men pushing her to make this decision regarding Aegon? 😐🤦🏻♂️
Production wise, it all looks amazing. The costumes, sets, cinematography, all are spot on. But, sadly, this isn’t Fire & Blood, for me.
This is literally fire and blood, made by the guy who made fire and blood.
I agree... Complicit women blaming "the system" they're upholding will hopefully be a dead trope in future story telling.
All the extra things they added that are not in the books are soooo silly. The "misheard" final words of the king, the foot fetish, the queen being a saint among villains, the GOT-season 8 level of nonsense with the dragon in the end... It was good while it lasted but yeah, the signs were there, this is turning into a circus, rapidly. They add stuff that is unecessary to "ease the pill" for dumb audiences, the ones that actually pay, sadly.
Imbecile logic with that last scene. Absolutely stupid to call men a problem then take out thousands of lives for no reason with a dragon.
She needed to get her dragon, I don't understand what people wanted her to do?
Finally a real king on the throne!! Top 3 Targ reigns!! Sunfyre pepe gif on anyone who disagrees.
Aegon, a real king?! 🤣😂😅😵💫
His 3 years, one of which he was burnt and bedridden? Over Egg, Jae1, Daeron, Baelor, Vis2, Conqueror? No way.
@@guzkus1 (Spoiler)
It's a joke my dude. I wasn't making a serious argument. Aegon II's reign was hella entertaining because of what a shItshow it was. Him being poppy'd up, bedridden and morose actually made it funnier. What else do you expect, he precided over a civil war? He didn't have the chance to engage in domestic policies, which he certainly had the mettle to do had he lived. Oh and he's forever goated for creating a new brand of sunfyre snack. Give me a Aegon II reign anyday over a peaceful reign of King Bran....I mean Aegon III lol.
@@SeeFair23 He's a professional carnivorous snack maker, I've been told.
कौन कौन मानता है कि माता पिता के चरणों में स्वर्ग है😘🥰
I find it funny how this podcast is trying to depict the two queens as innocent victims of patriarchy. The actual book itself speaks about how to women and power will fight just as bitterly or worse than men in power. This show is not doing a good enough job showing both queens bad side in comparison to the book of course.
I know... I think a lot of women feel that way about themselves in real life too though. It's a distorted perspective, but it gives them the opportunity to glamorize their lives and seem bigger than they really are.
A lot of dumb decisions made in this episode.....by the writers. So many characters, so many unmotivated actions by nothing more than suspense and spectacle. Before this episode, this series has made example after example of motivated/relatable/understandable characters doing things that make sense to their character. Even with the "evil" or problematic characters, there is history to back their decisions or mistakes. This episode felt like everything was "plot-driven" for the sake of excitement and mystery.
Hmm, none of the characters did something really out of character, I think. I enjoyed it!
It definitely was plot driven because uhhhh it’s based on a HISTORY boom that doesn’t really explain full motives…
This is almost the opposite of true, this entire episode was character beat after character beat. The only "plot point" was Aegon becoming king. Almost none of this was for plot, it was all to develop character.
Hobbit feet
In my opinion Princess Rhaenys killed smallfolk/ peasants cause they started following usurper instead of named heir to the throne just because his gender. In ep 4 actor in play at silk street called princess Rhaenyra feeble to rule. And as we know from Rhaenys’s background she is not fond of that.
They were forced into the hall. It's impossible to tell who was really for or against the princess...
@@remus4283 but after initial shock they started cheering for Aagon. U can see they were hailing for him.
How can you tell who is cheering and who is not in a crowd of 100,000? Why are you trying to defend her so hard? What I will say is that the writer for this episode destroyed Rhaenys' character by trying to give her this empty "girl boss" moment. I had so much respect for her before this dumpster episode. She was intelligent, patient and mature. All of a sudden she's bitter and impulsive
This ep was great in what it was supposed to do, give the new monarch time to shine...who gave a top tier performance with his mood swings, establishing Aegon II as far less one dimensional than Joffrey. Finally a proper GoT crowning. Rhaenys isn't aware of the book. She can't imagine the length of depravity and slow escalation both sides will go to, to kill her own kin at this point. That's Freefolk brain gigachad logic. *Ned kills Jaime in throne room and there's no War of Five Kings. Cat should've poisoned Cersei at Winterfell.* Tbf a fully Green ep without Rhaenys “good guy triumphal” pandering would been better. A Green heavy political intrigue focused ep, with lots of great visuals & ethical quandary. Gonna be a Microwave Attention Span Challenge for the “only here for Daemon making great value Patrick Bateman faces" crowd. I prefer moral dilemma Queen over ruthless ambitious F&B council Queen. Nuance of her has been lost on a viewership wanting her to fit the mold of a Disney evil queen. So this is a nudge in the right direction, that things are more grey from here. Her intro as an adult was her falling into Larys trap in harrenhal. So it's not a character change. Aegon & Alicent have been more compelling than the gas light goodie two shoes way Rhaenyra has been portrayed so far. If ur already blaming smallfolk for not supporting Slay Qween...hoo boy! do I got bad news! This is the copium ep. Folks seething before even the boy Aegon wears his crown. Then all the copium over Criston killing Beesbury for false accusations of regicide when they cheered Daemon killing Vaemond for correct accusations of siring busturd children . Insane levels of hypocrisy.
How about an honorable tribute and funeral for your departed King who ruled peacefully for the past 26 years? Put aside your differences, scheming and bickering. Show some damn respect. No class…
Fyi rhyenera killed by her brothers dragon burned alive
worst episode so far
Ending scene of the episode was pure TRASH. Got season 7-8 vibes.... very bad.
Bad episode, was waiting for a dud cause it had been great so far
Totally agree. Writing went on the window for this one.
Totally disagree. I knew something was going down when I remembered Helena’s words “Beware of the beasts beneath the boards.”
What was bad about it?
@@ShiningLight411 A character hinting at future events doesn't suddenly make it good.
The dud was 2. And 6 kind of. This was top 3 for me; the 24 hour, everyone is scrambling for power concept worked for me, Rhaenys saving Melys was great, the performances were wonderful.
Beesbury and Rhaenys scenes were bad. Not realistic at all.
Horrible Men do horrible things GOT podcast: “Like oh my gawd I hate these men they are so evil!”
Horrible women do horrible thing GOT podcast: “Like oh my gawd poor thing, she internalized the evil patriarchy so much that she didn’t have a choice it’s not her fault it’s Those evil mens fault for making her make herself not have agency!”
Smh……
Jesus Christ is your creator and He loves you more than anyone else ever could. He wants to take all that weight, worry, burden, bitterness and unforgiveness away from you. Most importantly He wants to take that sin, shame and guilt from you. We are not meant to carry it but He is.
God is holy and His standard for Heaven is perfection so how can we who have all sinned and fallen short of that perfect standard enter Heaven? We transfer our trust from man, from politicians, from this world, from ourselves, from our works, from our pastors/priests, from mary, from buddha, from allah, from idols to Jesus Christ who lived that perfect life and then laid it down and took the punishment that we deserved for our sins. Find a quiet place alone and humbly kneel before God and confess your sins before Him. Ask Him to forgive your sins and to save your soul. Tell Jesus you accept His free gift and ask Him to make you a new creation in Christ. God wants a personal relationship with you. Start one today. He absolutely longs to hear from you. Please don't put it off, we can die at any second. Eternity is forever!
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."-John 14:6
"But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in Heaven."-Matthew 10:33
“For the wages of sin is death (hell), but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord”-Romans 6:23
That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Your fictional god was a rapist...Mary did not consent. Jesus was a bastard - and there is zero historical evidence for his existence.
Jesus was a conartist
When I watched GOT, I always felt like I wanted more of each storyline/episode. When I watch HOT-D, I consistently wonder why they’re wasting so much time on this stupid storyline. I’m starting to think one might be somewhat inferior to the other….
Podcasters are annoying AF.
This episode was crap! What was that ending? Really slaughtering all those innocent just to leave? Terrible writing.
Yup and Alicent comes off as a moron. They really ruined Rhaenys this episode after consistently being one of the best characters of the show.
If you’re offended by the slaughtering of innocents, then skip the rest of the entire series.
@@SeeFair23 Just feels out of character for Rhaenys since she is always saying "men would destroy the realm" yet here she is cowardly killing hundreds of civilians for no reason. These people did nothing, they were herded towards the coronation.
Its very weird how the writers called this "heroic" and "good". The show is very feminist and anti-patriarchy but having women commit mass murder isnt doing any good.
@@SeeFair23 exactly what about the comment you responded to made you think "offended"?
I mean how else is she supposed to get Meleys?
I can't take these thumbnails seriously 😒
Other than Rhaenys' mass murder, her YASSS moment was epic! Although she proves that Rhaenyra and HOTDaemon or anyone else with dragons are idiots for not just flying up to the other team and burning them.........War avoided, dragons saved.....
idk, until now she is the only one who had the chance with the element of surprise and threw it away. if I have one dragon I would want to keep it as safe as possible rather than fly to enemy territory
@@havec6866 right and she had the backbone to kill dozens of innocent people with her yass queen moment but doesn’t have the backbone to end the inevitable war that will see her house and it’s dragons go extinct with many many more deaths to come.
You do know Aemond rides Vhagar? Nobody wants to mess with Vhagar.
@@cmd7930 no factor if “YASS SLAY Queen!” Rhaenys burned Vhagars rider with dragon fire rather than with her stunning bravery like she did!