DIPTYQUE Planar Magnetic Speakers, The French Do It Better!
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- Can the French build a better planar magnetic/ribbon speaker? The Audiophiliac finds out!
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0:00 Meet the Dyptyque DP-140 MK II Speaker
1:24 See the factory
4:13 Steel panel
8:53 The Music
11:06 The good, the bad, the ugly
13:52 I loved the Eminent Tech LFT8B/C planars
16:12 So Steve, what do you really think?
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18:20 Outro - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
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amazing speakers... had oportunity to listen to them. Steve described the exactly what they are.
The Diptyque DP-160MK2's was just picked as one of the very best sounding speakers at Munich HighEnd Show 2024 !... One Reviewer who reviewed the smaller Diptyque DP-140MK2 speakers said they are an Window to an Live Event and the Built Quality is so good that they could last you a LifeTime ! I'm saving my pennies for a pair now !
I heard them at the capital audio fest and it was my favorite sounding room . Bass is awesome and very transparent and energizes the room. Most people were spending the most time in this room which means they were all engaged in the music
At $17k a pair and I’m sure a very limited dealer network in the US, I think I’ll just stick with
my LRS+’s with a REL subwoofer🤷♂️
Great setup you got. I can tell you are an incredible audiophile (lol I literally have the same setup - what’s your source and amp?). Heck even the legendary Mag 3.7i at $9K seems cheap compared to this. It’s close to the colossal 20i at $20K.
My Magnepan .7’s are hand made in the US for $1,700 dollars, and sound like 10k easy.
Plenty of high quality dealers.
Sticking with my humble 2.2 LRS/REL/Bryston/MusicalParadise/Ares12th setup.
Perfect for my tastes in acoustic music & jazz thru Reggae.
Having a great time learning how to better LISTEN to orchestral music (with YT channel "Inside the Score" coaching;-)
Time to upgrade the brain!
🎵🎶🤫🎶🎵
@@trevorparmer5231 still $17k a pair, how many are you buying🤔
I spent years trying to get as transparent, clean & linear sound as possible... Turns out it's useless unless you only listen to perfect recordings. It's really tricky strike a balance between perfect audio replication and it sounding pleasant most of the time with most albums.
Exactly
If it plays Physical Graffiti, Dark Side of the Moon, and 2112 well, that's all that matters.
Maybe a little Lyle Lovett and Bob Marley. 😊
@@nostradamus7648 Listen to new music
Physical Graffiti and Natty Dread were some of my first proper hifi experiences.
Anthems of a well spent misspent youth.
@@peterlarkin762
Puff, Puff, Pass
I've been very impressed with this company and their speakers. It's very nice to have a proper review. Here's hoping you're able to review PSAudio's new speakers which combine planar magnetic with traditional bass drivers.
I had the chance to listen to them at the High End in Munich. They sound absolutely terrific. I won't throw around superlatives at this point, just listen to them by yourself, you will not regret it.
NICE! I saw and heard the Diptyques at the Montreal Audio Festival last year - IMHO, they were the best of show - great to look at and most importantly, great to HEAR :-)
Looks like you are back to a good hair day! Great review and love your passion and knowledge.
I heard a pair of these in my local hifi dealer in Toulouse, they bring a lot of "air" and "space" to the music quite remarkable. Really enjoyed them, but sadly out of my budget. If I win the lottery I know where I will be heading..
Glad you had an opportunity to listen to them. I own several Magnepans. These being $17K… they go up against the amazing $9K Mag 3.7i and near the price of the legendary $20K 20i.
Sadly I also have to keep buying
Lottery tickets. I require the ultimate custom designed
listening room with proper
conditioned AC POWER. This
really means a custom built
home, way before the hi-end
system.
The point is, every instrument, live event, recording or venue has its own 'sound' fingerprint. And then there is your own ears and favorite 'taste' in sound preferences... It is tempting to go look for the hard honest truth in this 'reality' of finding convincing sound illusion to be able to step into the holographic 3d stage we earn for. As a musician myself i think i can handle the adoption to the "minds eye" to appreciate the edges of live music. Realising that most, otherwise very fine speakers make more of a general (box) sound is harder to except. Some horns can do the trick but with lots of effort and the same endurance on the ears and patience! That makes the electrostats (OB speakers too) so convincing and alluring, particularly as a rabid DIY cave-man, lol. Great to see you're still here on YT, Steve! Happy ny and best wishes for everyone!
I was very impressed when hearing them during Capital Audiofest. I kept coming back and what struck me most was the "immediacy" of the bass. I was told while the principle is like Magnepan, the tension of the diaphragm is less allowing for more displacement. If you have the opportunity give them a good listen.
You got me thinking when you described how tricky they are to place. The upper half of a room usually has less sonic obstruction than the lower half. I picture a room twice as long as it is wide with the speakers mounted from the ceiling, on the long centerline, spaced so each can face directly toward one of the opposite corners, either diagonally or either end of one of the long sides. this would make the room the resonant chamber driven by the Dyptyques. Far beyond my financial abilities so thanks for the introduction!
I've seen the Kronos Quartet and Phillip Glass, but the musical combination sounds like it could be a winner. I'm looking forward to finding it, I'd love to hear it on these speakers, but I'll have to be happy with my more modest set up.
I switched from MG 3.7 to DP107. Despite not going as low in bass as 3.7 they are better at every other aspect, but I wouldn't recommend them to anyone who doesn't use dsp. I feel like theirs stock frequency response is messed up. I hope they got it better at DP140 and up. I wish them luck because their speakers are amazing
With my Maggies I actually find different locations works best for different albums. Moving closer to the back wall tightens the bass for good solid low end sources. But fatter music like them out further. They get fatter and richer. Slight rotations moves the image up and down... System frequency response depends on distance between them.
And having nothing but the back wall in the center. No TV.. nothing. I love my Maggie's
Thank you again for an interesting informative review. Talking about the resolution of your pap duets, have you ever considered trying the Voxativ Field coils in them? I have them in my Quintets and they are wonderful. Smal room btw. All the best, Denis
Thanks for the technical insight on these Steve, esp. the dual magnet planes.
To your (and @glenncurry3041) point of adjusting planar speakers, I got a pair of Magnepan MG IIIa in 1986 and had them rebuilt in 2009. Over all those years until now they have been in almost every conceivable position in my listening room. Surprisingly one of the most interesting placements was to put the "edge" of the speakers literally in the two corners of the room, with the other edge pointed to the listening seat at 45 degrees. Both front and rear phases were reflected from the two walls at the corner (no direct sound from the diaphragms). Vocals and instrument placement were holographic. Both aurally and visually the speakers disappeared. The only compromise is the soundstage is too broad for studio recordings, although perfect for live recordings like "The Allman Brothers Band Live at Fillmore."
Impressive, isn't it? We call that the "Rooze configuration" on the Planar Asylum after the guy who first tried it.
@@Josh442 From what I read, the Rooze configuration is not what I'm describing... put the thin edge of the Maggie literally in the corner of the room, or as close as you can get it, given the length of the feet. The other edge is 45 degrees from either wall, pointing to the listening position apex. There is no direct radiation toward the listener's ears, only what's reflected from the walls. Unfortunately my wife prefers a more conventional placement 😞.
@@bellesonllc That seems to be one variant of Rooze, anyway -- the idea of Rooze is that you're listening on edge, in the dipole null, so the only sound you hear are the reflections. But Rooze isn't necessarily right in the corner.
@@Josh442 Okay, got it, thanks for the clarification! And yes, to your original point, it is impressive.
I own a pair of Apologee duetta 's I use them with an older krell ksa 80 . It's a shame this company is no longer around. I also own a pair of B&W 802s . Which I use with various amps such as Threshold. Spectral and sonic frontiers . I like your take on ribbons I prefer my Apogees hands down but at high volume the B&W s are an amazing speaker. I haven't heard your speakers but I would be surprised if they bettered the appogee's made in America. Your take on the Apogees would be interesting .90 percent of the time I listen to my turntable of course . I prefer older recordings . You are the most knowledgeable and credible person I've watched on you tube so far . Cheers !
The ET8 had magnets on both sides, push pull design. 😁
Jazz in the new Harmonic sounds amazing! Listening now over some ls50s.
Please Steve, could you review the Diptyque dp 77. They are more affordable and easy to match. Thank you
@Steve Guttenberg if you want a pair of DP-77 to review, just let us know. Steve Jain-Fidelity Imports.
Excellent suggestion indeed.
Yes please ... I want a pair just for fun!
Ditto. Let's get a review of their entry level system ,Steve!
I had the original Carver Amazing speakers, dipoles that had ribbons for highs and mids. Whatever their flaws, they had excellent soundstage depth and pretty good imaging.
I only heard them once, at a show. Powered with Carver’s gigantic tube amp. They were genuinely amazing, by far and away the best at the show. One of the most memorable speakers I’ve ever heard.
I have two pairs of Carver AL-III+ speakers. Ribbons have a presence that is amazing. I keep thinking of replacing them with something else. There are box and planar speakers that may be better but the Carvers are so good on vocals I can’t justify parting with them.
That viewer system room is overwhelming. Holy Cow. I’m not sure how one could participate with the music in that room.
I had a pair of Mandapam speakers powered by a BGW 120(I think) and a Dayton Wright SPS MK 3 with a Connoisseur Turntable and Empire cartridge. I thought it was great. This was back in 10975*76
Steve : your review is spot on. I have listened to these wonderful speakers on different occasions. They do certain things very well. But it’s indeed not a speaker for someone with an eclectic taste in music. And it’s a speaker that indeed makes imperfect recordings sound awful ! The polar opposite of a Cornwall.
Conic speaker technology is what I consider to be mature technology, with few new breakthroughs expected in oncoming years. However I am fascinated with planar magnetic technology and its use in sound reproduction, and hope to delve into the emerging realm of photoacoustics (production of sound with light) as new breakthroughs are made.
How do you compare a dipole speaker like Deftech vs. Diptyque as to sound stage? Is the soundstage more distinct with the ribbon driver speakers?
Had a pair of Apogee Divas back in the day. also had the DAX crossover. MARVELOUS speakers..... First with Marl Levinsons 20 and 23's, then with Audio Research Classic 150's and 60's, and finally some PASS Aleph 1' and 2. Wonder how they'd compare
There is no perfect speaker or amp, just different! I have a McIntosh c50 preamp, very quiet and neutral but it has the EQ when I want it. I also have a McIntosh mc352 SS amp, very lush sounding but there is detail if you listen for it. I also have a Carver Crimson tube amp which makes everything sound good, and finally two class D mono amps that really let you hear everything, good recording are good, bad are bad. I find myself using the McIntosh most of the time. But just to keep the boredom at bay and keep my pocket book healthy, I switched every now and again just to keep it fresh. Right now Klipsch La Scala’s and restoring a pair of AR 5 three ways from the late 70’s
To what extent could you tame the treble with bright recordings, with a simple treble tone control??
Very cool looking
You need a TEF analyzer to get the set up right. Why a TEF, because you can look at the direct sound the reflected sound and the ambient together or separately. A TEF allows you to do it right instead of just guessing.
These are NOT for me! 😮….I need warm and forgiving…also out of my budget…but I love to learn about all things audio…so I stayed with you all the way thru. Thanks for making me more aware! 👍🏼
Steve loved the video, eminent technologies Lft8b's does a better job for little money! They just need the crossover improved to make them a giant killer, not costing 18k
Have you heard both? I haven't, but paired my LFT8bs with Vandersteen 2WQ subs- crossed over at 80hz. What a difference!
I'm sold. I'll have one pair of these French magneto panels at one end of my long rectangular room for my best quality L.P.s, Place my 360'deg swivel listening chair in the middle of the room (or a more socialable bespoke made 360' centred swivel sofa) & 1 pair of my current box speakers at t'other end of the room for my lower quality L.Ps. 2 of my stereo valve power amps or a s/state & valve mix, Oh, & a pile of money to pay for the panels & the swivel sofa for domestic harmony is all I'll then need, sorted
That's a problem with ribbon tweeters, or specifically with tweeter line arrays; the beaming means that if you are above or below then the highs really roll off. I noticed this with my Carver AL-III+ with 48" long ribbon that are even with the top at 6'. Even lying on the sofa, instead of sitting or standing one would experience roll off. Ideally and in IMO, ribbon tweeters should be 6' tall starting from the floor. Either a single 6' long tweeter, or one can have an array of small rectangular or round tweeters that extend 6' from the floor.
Is there a matching candle?
That Allman brothers album is so good!
Arguably, its a top 2-3 live release, w/Live at Leeds at the top.
... ie., an act at their best, at the top of their game.
Looks nice, I like magnepans fine and always feel like the quality is lack luster. Good to see higher quality panels in the market.
I am more of a horn guy (JBL 4367) so I alway feel panels lack dynamics to my ear. Do these have more snap/transients than other panels?
It's entirely different, but you gain so much elsewhere.
Dipoles don't 𝙥𝙧𝙚𝙨𝙨𝙪𝙧𝙚 pulse the room like typical monopole box speakers.
Sound 𝙞𝙣𝙩𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙮 is the product of sound 𝙥𝙧𝙚𝙨𝙨𝙪𝙧𝙚 and particle 𝙫𝙚𝙡𝙤𝙘𝙞𝙩𝙮.
Dipoles throw more a velocity dominant intensity rather than the pressure dominating that's typically experienced.
The strong attribute; due to out of polarity figure eight radiation characteristic, the listener experience has elevated direct sound vs. negative room effects.
They don't light up a room's resonances like a monopole pressure source.
@@FOH3663 I have spend time with the magnepan 3.7. They are nice but come up short when asked to play Metallica at high levels. Amazing with Gregory Porter….
Maybe just a second system for me. I am often more in to mood for rock than soft music these days.
Yes.
Two sets of speakers serves me well. I love my Maggie’s for acoustic jazz. If I want high SPL, I switch to my old EV Eliminators designed for stage use .
Steve,
Speaking of speakers built in France 🇫🇷…
See if you can get your hands on a set of Revival Atalante 3’s for review
I had a pair of Zingali speakers for nearly 20 years which sounded magnificent with well recorded acoustic music and jazz, but harsh and muddy with loud, busy, poorly recorded rock music. So eventually I found I was listening to music which suited the speakers, and avoiding stuff I loved but didnt sound great.
Now I have Wharfedale Elysian 4s and I have yet to find a genre or recording which they don't like.
They have reinvigorated my musical life.
No speakers are all things to all men, but I think a good speaker should cope with most genres and recordings well. Peoples tastes change and your speakers should be able to come along with you.
I agree with your perspective. But some audiophiles crave alternate transparency
You know in that movie 'Once Upon A Time In The West" Jason Robards hears a gun go off and cuts himself whilst shaving. Your music didn't suit the speakers, it suited the price of your system and you bought a low down Wharfedale and Hey! Things were looking up. Yeah but those Zingali speakers were looking down at your amplifier and its sources, it wasn't the music - it was the low price of the reproducing equipment. You bought speakers that flattered your miserable electronics, you know? Heads Up!
@@generalcurtis3lemay180 Well I was running a £5000 streamer, a £7500 DAC and a £6000 Allnic amp with £1000 KR valves, so not entirely convinced by your argument. The Zingali speakers were price appropriate, as are the Wharfedales which, I would argue, at £7000, punch above their weight.
In Scotland we would politely suggest that you are "talking through a hole in your head".
@@jimfarrell4635 No ... didn't you know that in the United States, Zingali carried a JBL logo? Are you saying JBL are in the same league as Wharfedale? I mean Kr valves don't cost £1000, they're Czech and you know, you'd get a set for £10. You know I'm not so sure it's me that is talking through a hole in his head. A £6000 Allnic amp? You know just any old Allnic amp? Zingali don't use tubes, neither do Wharfedale, they're not tube speakers.
@@generalcurtis3lemay180 Generallissimo. You are a very confusing bloke. I did not know Zingali and JBL had an arrangement. Thats interesting, but those speakers are very different designs from the Italian Zingali horn speakers I am talking about. I don't think they were ever sold here. I had Zingali Overture 4 floorstanders. They cost about £5000 and lasted me nearly 20 years. As to JBL and Wharfedale, both are venerable brands and make speakers from budget to mid/high end. Its nonsense to say one brand is better than another. Its the individual speakers that count. In the UK most folk would regard JBL as a budget brand, because until recently they didnt market their higher end speakers here.
As for tube speakers ? What on earth are you talking about ? I said nothing about tube speakers. I have an Allnic Single ended triode 300b T1500 tube amp. I also have a nice upgraded Kinki Studio solid state, a DK Design Reference solid state, a PrimaLuna tube amp and just acquired a couple of Sansui vintage pieces. KR make some of the best 300b tubes on the planet and, depending on spec, a matched pair do cost nearly £1000. If you can get a pair for a tenner, I salute you.
I sound like a twat listing all this stuff and what it cost. It's 30 years of collecting, buying new, ex dem and second hand gear, trading up when funds allow.
But to suggest my front end is crap and thats why I had issues with The Zingalis is nonsense, especially when you had no idea what my system consisted of.
Of course, you may just be a troll, in which case, good job. Consider me trolled.
Or have you been peaking through my windows and saw my Sanyo midi system ?
Damn.
Saludos Steve, ¿Como se comparan de la manera más objetiva posible los DP 140 mki, con los MG-1.7?, te agradecería tal comparativa, abrazos, desde Bogotá, Colombia
i hope you will review the ps audio fr line speakers🙏🙏🙏
Great looking speakers, thanks for reviewing them. Unfortunately their website, the English version is a mess.
Really nice shirt sir
I was distracted the hilarious distortions the voice to text app made of your lecture. Fortunately, I can understand you talking just fine.
Hi Steve, there’s a new dac by Topping, the TOPPING D90 III . I’d love you to be the first you review it because you’d spend the time to get it right.
Sorry, I'm not enough of a fan of the brand, it's decent, but not interesting to me. I'm sure many other people will review it.
"You can almost smell the pot filling the concert hall". 😁
haha ... Steve MUST be a stoner ....hope so 😜
compared to other planar magnetics fullranges 17K , is not even that expensive. yes allot of money.. but the rest is even more expensive ! good job Diptyque !!!
I had a pair of Magnepan 3.5. After a few years the glue that binds the coils to the mylar started to loose its properties and eventually the coils were unglued. Although I loved those speakers I could not send them to Manepan for repair. Does the Diptyque has the same problem?
Hello. I'm owner of DP107, previously had MG 3.7. Diptyque surpass Maggies in terms of build quality - there is no glue on diaphragm, instead coil is printed on the foil. Looks neat, diaphragm is lighter for sure and foil with coil are one uniform thing
@@bronymusiclover8891 Do you like the DP107 better than the MG 3.7. I have a LRS+ with a Sanders Magtech and it is excellent in a small room.
Wow!
How about reviewing Daniel Hertz Maria w Amber speakers?
$17k omg!!... Long live Magnepans!! Maggies 🙌
See Steve. I have told you before that Diptyque are fantastic speakers.
Problem with these things is they make room reflections way more of an issue. So you need diffusion and absorption to get rid of room problems. Unless accuracy isn't so much of a concern to you.
Steve did you see that Jim Winey the man behind Maggies just passed on? With this video you just did do you think you would be interested in doing an overview of your history & experience with this type of speaker & maybe headphones as well?
Hey Steve, Interesting. The French's has a very French way, when making HI-FI. I own a complete French system, with is not your everyday set-up, and surly not for everybody. But don´t fall in love with them, as u then needs them badly. They are called: Lavardin/Leconture Cheers from Denmark.
I just had a chance to listen to a pair of Diptyque with Accuphase class A monoblock. To be honest, I prefer the much much cheaper Magnepan 3.7i with classAB monoblocks.
IOW if extreme accuracy of reproduction, exposing the best and worst, is not for you, and you want dynamics regardless of the recording and great low level listening, get horns!
Especially Bass Horns!
Absolutely, big MF/HF horns
I want to hear those speakers
The closest thing to these in my case are the Monsoon FPF-600 and FPF-1000 speakers i have owned a couple of years ago oversees. It doesn't sound like boxed speakers either indeed. Open baffle ? You better got your room acoustics.and placement in order. But they do create huge wide 3d like soundstages and detail...
@PulledPorkGarage - I use Monsoon MM-702 Planar Magnetic Desktop Speakers in a tri-amplified system for my desktop/PC speaker system. It's a near-field setup, so there is one ideal listening position that is in my chair in front of my desk. I have a pair Yamaha YST-SW-60 servo subs used for mid bass (play from 65 to 220 Hz) suspended just above the Monsoon panels sitting on my desk, and a Velodyne 8" MiniVee (1,000 W RMS) servo sub as my subwoofer (crossover 65 Hz). I use a Dayton Audio DSP-408 to control the crossover, and set parametric equalization and delay. Perhaps the DSP kills some resolution ultimately, but the flexibility is amazing. For example, I can change the delay and hear the difference, I can change the crossover slope and points and play with the equalization and hear the results. I have two pairs of planar magnetic headphones and comparatively the desktop system sounds pretty darn awesome.
At some point I'd like to get the Magnepan Bass Panel to replace the mid bass speakers, but it's out of my budget at the moment. Perhaps a higher end DSP in the future. Maybe play with a fixed active crossover to see how that sounds, or even a passive xover.
I definitely wouldn’t say that having to play with a speakers positioning so much is a sign of a good speaker…the fight against a radiation pattern that is extremely narrow at higher frequencies is IMO the primary weakness of panels
Exactly right. Good speakers with good frequency response and even dispersion should not need fussed with too much. Uneven speakers you will chase all day every day around the room.
The metal 'cover'/grille, will it vibrate at loud volume?
No that does not happen.
Are you saying a bright recording will be extra bright or just that the speakers are very transparent and it's easier to spot issues with a recording compared to a Maggie.
Yes, more revealing of problems than Maggies
You know just to help out ... Maggie speakers are downmarket and NAD is a suitable brand, it's a 'value' brand, the M23 is a great Maggie amplifier. But ... these French ones are upmarket and for better rooms and more distinguished buyers than lower priced brands. I mean ... you should see how the other half live, they have places that Maggies just wouldn't be allowed into.
@@generalcurtis3lemay180 As a Maggie owner I approve of this message.
Wow better than Maggies.. quite a statement. I love my 1.7i and demo’ing caladans next month .
Please return to post impressions. I have the 1.7i and am interested in the Caladans too .
THey sound better then Maggies is everyway. heard them at a show( they were my favorite at the show) and most people coming in the room didn't want to leave. If you get a chance check them out
On a related note, Jim Winey (founder of Magnepan) apparently passed away today :( There is a post about him from a credible member in the planar section of Audio Asylum.
Wow! Legendary!
Yeah :( Longtime Maggie owner here (currently 3.7i) and went over to Audio Asylum to see if there were any comments on your review of the Diptyques. Needless to say, not what I expected to see.@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac
Now...as a lifelong admirer and now later in life as an owner of Magnapan speakers...not the new ones, but the vintage MGllas(which i believe are superior sounding to the new ones, with a sub, of course) now....that all leads to my question. Do the french really do it better?? With MDF for 17,000.00??? Or do they do it better BECAUSE they cost 17,000.00? Many people in this hobby believe that if they spend more money, it must be better, right? My contention is that, im sure that the crossover is superior, but...there are outboard crossovers available for Magnapans that allow for bi amping and highpass filters on amplifiers that allow for effective tailoring of sound, and good preamps(like my vintage SAE 2100L) that provide for subouts, that and the superior construction of the magnapans i e. Real wood, attractive fabric, overall beauty...almost a centerpiece of your room decor. All that said, you could do all of that, even at the high end of the spectrum, including sending the vintage magnapans back to the factory for rebuild, you still come in at a lot less than the price of these speakers. You say yourself that on less than optimally recorded music(which comprises most of our recods, which you well know) i would take a heck of alot of convincing to make me believe that these should even be a consideration. I would really like an honest opinion of those parameters.
Off topic, but just saw a Washington Post article called “He spent his whole life building a $1 million dollar system. The real cost was unfathomable”. A guy who turned his living room into a concert-type hall, and the toll it took on his family. I see that Steve shared the documentary of the film this guy made - “One Man’s Dream”. It was done a while ago but this article just popped up on my feed.
@homerjones3291 - I saw a video on that a while ago. He did a really good job on those speakers. They sold at action for 10K each... Talk about the deal of the century!
If you can embrace the trueth, this is the right speaker. ;-)
Hey Steve, any thoughts on how they might pwrform with tubes?
Less dynamic with tubes, but sweeter than solid state. More power is better
I’d think a Triode Musashi would be a killer combo.
At $17k you'd be crazy not to audition Sanders Sound Systems Model 10e. These are a thoroughly engineered hybrid electrostatic speaker system and I know Steve doesn't like them. I'm guessing he's never heard this system properly setup in his own listening space. They are end game for me.
Just like you will never hear him test Soundlabs he is scared he might like them and it goes against his bias against them.
Steve seems to be a fan of speakers optimized for dynamics, so electrostatics aren't his cup of tea.
the curse of great resolving speakers. We need a proper list of "great recordings"
Maggies, Quad...what about MLs?
I think you said before you need a subwoofer with this type of speaker.
Surprised they haven't been sued by the french perfume brand of the same name!
Does it need a subwoofer?
REL or another brand?
Do you need bass below 40hz? If so, use a sub.
@@thomosburn8740
I don't need the bass.
Geddy Lee needs the bass. 😁
Now my real world affordable speaker question is this - How does the Diptyque DP-77 compare with the Eminent Technology lft-8b or lft-8c?
Those are hottt. Would love to snag a pair
compared to cornwall IV?
Really? The Cornwalls significantly more dynamically alive and powerful sounding speakers. Bigger bass impact,
The Diptique is far more open, transparent, with much faster clearer bass.
Do you notice when you anounce pricing and it's around 5 digits, you pause right in the middle of the price? I can't tell if ou're saying seven(pause)teen thousand or seven(pause) ty thousand dollars.
It sounds like they just have elevated high frequencies, which is the opposite of "transparent."
Most recordings have elevated high frequencies
@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac Really? I find it to be more of a problem with older recordings like 80's pop music or early CD "remasters." Granted, I don't listen to much contemporary mainstream pop at all.
I think this is what Dr. Toole calls the "circle of confusion." How do we know if the recording is the problem or the speaker combined with room acoustics is the problem? They could even be compounding each other.
In the absence of full spinorama measurements on the speaker (not sure how this even applies to dipoles or if Harman's research dealt with them at all) we might compare to a known "neutral" speaker, like recent KEF or JBL designs.
ALL DIpole Speakers e.g. Magnapans, Quads, whatever; DON't give you "the Same Sound" from the REAR as the Front. But Rather, the Sound is an OUT of PHASE version.
Perhaps he meant identical tone and SPL, but not absolute phase.
@@thomosburn8740 - I think even Steve would be willing to say, He mispoke.
I gotta win the lottery.
As good as these must be I'll stick to my Eminent Techs cause they're righteous in all areas to me. Not to mention they are a killer value.
Of course, there is absolutely no comparison in terms of sound quality per dollar spent! ET speakers are absolutely incredible, and Bruce is a great guy
Is this the same Diptyque that makes perfume?
I'd rather spend my money on a pair of MG 3.7's and a pair of rel s510's.
A pair of subwoofers seems a little overkill to me.
@@joso5554 on the contrary, two subwoofers helps you eliminate standing waves in your room and also lowers your distortion levels.
NeodyMium magnets. Coming from the Greek "νεοδυμιο":new power.
Ref❤
Try Clarisys speaker
Massive money, 35k for the lowest model??
@@puciohenzap891 yes - with Neodymium Magnets even more. I listened to the Studio plus two times in Holland and was pretty impressed.
Tweeters should be point-source because the high frequencies can radiate to all heights of the listening position. When a tweeter is a line source, the line should be at least the height of the listener because the high frequencies will disappear above and below the line, as in the case with the DIptypque. Personally, I dislike tweeters that restrict how you can listen to them, so I would not be interested in speakers like the Diptyque.
@ron101346 - Exactly, line source tweeters should be about 6' long...
A pair of used Apogee’s will suffice.😊
Okay, where is Joe the Dutchman? (Joesph Peelon) He should be all over this!
Hey Steve; 😢 sadly; Jim Winey passed away.
So if you play a lot of poor recordings you should use a speaker that's colored in a way to ameliorate the bad sounds?
I'm curious about the steel front and back panels. I'm sure the magnets are strong and steel is magnetic although to what degree depends on the type of steel. So I assume the panels are magnetized. Is this part of the design? I'm just curious.
I have to add a comment on push/pull planars versus single ended ones. They reproduce signals asymmetrically. That is the displacement from neutral is different on the side with the driving mechanism than it is on the other side. This is a flaw in fidelity, in accurate reproduction.
@nobelstone9714 - Typically if there are magnets in front and/or in back, then there is a resonate frequency because of the cavities and channels. The crossover has to attenuate that frequency, or one needs a parametric equalizer. At least some Apogee ribbons have the ribbons on the side and don't have the issue.
Interesting comment on the push/pull asymmetry; I hadn't considered that. Years ago before, I was a fan of push/pull isobaric subwoofers. Currently I like servo subs.
How much do they cost?
How do they compare to Magnpans?
$17k, lots more info in the actual review!
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And a great review it was ...
This was one of the best episodes.@@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac
09:46 And that quality will never be be listed in any speaker spec. sheet 💨🤫😂😂
There is one veeeeeery important detail missing in the whole story and which is the bane of all planar speakers: LONGEVITY.
Are there replacement panels? Can the manufacturer guarantee a stock for the next years?
Same goes for other exotics like the Apogee-derived Clarisys panels costing insane money and Analysis Audio planars.
The Diptyque looks to be using a single ribbon for the tweeter like Apogee and Magnepans do, these are guaranteed to sag and lose tension over the years.
And don't even start me on ESL's like the Quad, the 63 and later are utter garbage in that regard.
In the end, there is a good reason why planars will remain a very niche product, they won't work in many rooms and have a 1 person wide sweet spot - turn your head an inch to the side and the soundstage collapses.
i think if they dropped the price ,a good $12,000 grand... they might sell a few. they sound too picky to deal with. not much upside. you wont be driving those with a decware zen triode..
I'm glad you have $17,000 to piss away.
This is not the right speaker for me… the Eminent technology…. Only cost 4,000.00 per pair..
It is easy to do better than for example magnapan.
I can better the sound quality of it with some easy alternate solder job on them.
So I have a pair magnapan that is over 40 years old. And yet to this day magnapan use the same connectors, plate, fuse holder, attenuation screws and so on.
It is good in that way that it keeps the cost down..😅
But come on. No development or better solutions for OVER 40 years! 😢
Then it is no surprise that newer Constructed French speakers sounds better than stock magnapan that is hold back sound quality wise by its outdated and sound quality robbing construction that has not evolved anywhere.😢
So sad to see new offering from magnapan with the same crap backplate and knowing that the owners will never hear their speakers full potential! 😢