POND (people of Neanderthal decent ) need to remove affirmative action from the military if they remove it from scholarly institutions, a lot of hypocrisy, to recognise its strength in certain fields (military ) and remove it from another, they also need to remove legacy based admission if they want thorough merit based admissions.
Nope. There are NYC neighborhoods where the kids are sent to HS test-prep from 2nd grade. But they aren't educated in arts, history, language, science, etc, or encouraged to do any activities/experiences that aren't explicitly aimed towards getting a higher score on some test. That doesn't actually reflect a belief in the importance of education - it's more a cultural assumption (from the "old country") that high test score = elite admissions = elite jobs = high income job, so you can take care of your parents, and show-up your parents' friends. When you see a kid with top marks on the SAT, but who can't write a "What did you do for fun last summer?" essay without ChatGPT, that's not a well-educated person. Elite colleges are looking for well-rounded student populations, and so is society - real-life is nothing like a standardized test.
@@justindai9742 Even if he or she is. If that what what it takes and what's working then the group(s) that aren't getting in need to do that same process.
Yes, "academic preparation! YES! But, dancing and singing is much more fun than learning math or science... I remember being a college student in the 1970's; Asian kids were coming to the US, many 6-10 years young, not speaking a single word of English upon arrival, had little to no money, taking ESL classes in the poorest of urban schools, and graduating high school as valedictorian, going on to Harvard University. My college had about 60% White, 38% Black, and 2% Asian students; if you went into the library at any given time, at least 50% of the occupants were Asian... It's more about values and much less about racism...
Like the Asian man said, "it's about preparation". That's why Blacks dominate basketball and football and Hispanics dominate Baseball. But you don't hear anyone saying, "let change sports to include more Asians." It's about preparation. Forcing representation is unfair; everything should be merit base. I wouldn't let a 5'5 Asian in the NBA if he can't shoot and defend just for representation.
When will Asian people stop being deluded to think that they are white! White supremacy is not on their side lol. White people are using Asian people as pawns for their own propaganda.
Fair enough to me. But it's not about race. The real issue is that we don't wanna face. The real issue, keep it at the same pace...don't let all the progress go to waste. Revive the American spirit and with haste. Real oppression we don't wanna taste. White people, all feel the same, there's some stuff we wish we could change. Boys are still boys or are people straight deranged? Is there a God or can someone say his name? Our God's don't have to think or be the same. Faith I hope for you, always chase your flame. Let's work together cause we're on the same team.
Mugsy isn’t Asian. I think representation is great. People can see themselves in those people. A short person in basketball can go to a different country if that’s their passion. Remember, kids are taught racism, like you, so if they can be with others different than them, they will actually be better humans for it, unlike you.
Sounds like another way of saying if you wish hard enough, work hard enough.. you can manifest anything-- which sounds nice but dishonest at face value cause it assumes everything outside the individual is "right" and things fall into place as a result
@@rasputinspickledpeepee1976 It's harder if your kid is below median, and if they are too far below median it's almost impossible, but for the vast majority of students it is very likely if they actually dedicated themselves to studies that they would succeed.
The only reason why the other races are OUTNUMBERED by Asians is because studying/high GPA/ high testing scores are embedded into their upbringing. My Asian mom forced me to study and attend tutoring every day just to get into Specialized high schools. many Asian families value academics over recreational activities. back when I was applying many of my non-Asian friends didn't even know what specialized high schools were or why I was trying so hard to get into one. so if predominantly Asian people apply they will most likely get admission.
Culture wise, Asians are in alignment with obedience. White supremacy will not ally with a race of people that will over run or take over. Us ( black) as a people preparation means focusing more on emotional intelligence Anger blows out the lamp of the mind, keep us angry. They know that. Power plays. Crabs in a bucket is what the strategy is. Culture wise, classism is promoted in Asian society. Each race dominates a very specific category. Why would white supremacy favor intelligence and strong will? We can entertain, but that's it. Yes there are successful black doctors, lawyers etcetera. Which ones will ever see the money the artist or athletes have? However, these type programs we get into with no problem. It's called steering 😊 Melanated , specifically blacks have been waiting for the opportunity to dismantle supremacy. Give us elite education for what? Asians are not favored, they are more compliant. Test are not a good metric. Factor in red lining, blacks are distracted. Study when? Between your first or second job because on average, your parents are too busy working to keep struggling. We are feared, and have been conditioned to internalize the fear. Caucasion take overs allow room for others to benefit them Our race will always be given inferior processes to navigate. That is why we have to make our own way.
That’s a negative way of looking at it. How about thinking about it as teaching an average kid to be a better student? A good environment with good teachers and good peers can be a good influence on an average student don’t you think?
@@Darrel8086I understand what you are saying. That given the quality opportunity and resources anyone can do well but I do not think that is quite right realistically. I think everyone can become better and smarter but stuy is a league of its own. Not everyone will perform and be brilliant just because they go to a good school with good teachers. It’s like saying you can be a doctor or also a nasa scientist with the right teacher but if the passion, drive and a little bit of natural talent isn’t there, you won’t be able to commit to it and perform well. You might do okay or a little better than you normally would but you won’t be at the high standard expected of you or reach that stage you truly need to be at. You can go from a B student to an A student but can you be A+?Clearly not everyone can be A+. I think that is the true problem of affirmative action and in that sense I agree with the OP that it does lower standards in the long run.
@@testaccount1055Im pretty sure that many olympians and some of the “top” students in the world were given the gift of time and good instruction to focus on there goals than anyone else. If Michael Phelps had to spend more time trying to work on other jobs rather than practice swimming would you have expected him to do so well? It’s true that not everyone can be the best given all the resources but I don’t think we can expect people to be the best if they don’t have the resources.
rayrv - silly argument. What percentage of Asians are the average height of an NBA player? The NBA is a select group where height is probably the biggest factor. If people of African descent didn’t have height as a factor, they wouldn’t be in the NBA either
The young female black student should recognize that the people in the new school she is going to be attending do in fact share her same background - they have a drive to learn and improve themselves. It doesn't matter that the other students she went to school with before had similar skin tones. Those others students from her old school are not going to her new school because they're not like her.
Good point. What would actually be a much worse situation is if they changed the admissions process all of a sudden and otherwise undeserving students would be admitted. Then she would actually be ostracized even worse because fellow students would believe she was one of the sympathy admits, although she would have gotten in without the change in admissions process. What kind of change? Perhaps a lottery system that replaces the test score system as basis for admissions. The above scenario actually happened for 2 years in an elite public school in San Francisco before voters changed to return to a merit-based system. Lots of negative unintended consequences in that experiment. And thank goodness it was fixed.
No, Stuy in particular has always had a major race x classism problem. The kids self-segregate pretty hard there, and "keeping up with the Joneses" takes on a very peculiar form. The newer immigrants from countries like China, S. Korea, and India also tend to have a very hierarchical/competitive mindset, discouraging kids from associating with classmates who can't advantage them in some way down the line. It's pretty sad, and not to the benefit of any of the students. Bx Science & Bklyn Tech used to be better-mixed, but it's harder to do so with such low diversity in the student (and teacher) populations.
@@Jeanne90275 You're confused, or misinformed. Extra Fed money is allocated to schools that serve poor populations - hence the push to get kids registered for free/reduced lunch. That can overlap with minorities, but poor white & rural schools receive the same support. Doesn't have much to do with this topic though, State & local funds make up the majority of the budget, and those are allocated by headcount.
Culture wise, Asians are in alignment with obedience. White supremacy will not ally with a race of people that will over run or take over. Us ( black) as a people preparation means focusing more on emotional intelligence Anger blows out the lamp of the mind, keep us angry. They know that. Power plays. Crabs in a bucket is what the strategy is. Culture wise, classism is promoted in Asian society. Each race dominates a very specific category. Why would white supremacy favor intelligence and strong will? We can entertain, but that's it. Yes there are successful black doctors, lawyers etcetera. Which ones will ever see the money the artist or athletes have? However, these type programs we get into with no problem. It's called steering 😊 Melanated , specifically blacks have been waiting for the opportunity to dismantle supremacy. Give us elite education for what? Asians are not favored, they are more compliant. Test are not a good metric. Factor in red lining, blacks are distracted. Study when? Between your first or second job because on average, your parents are too busy working to keep struggling. We are feared, and have been conditioned to internalize the fear. Caucasion take overs allow room for others to benefit them Our race will always be given inferior processes to navigate. That is why we have to make our own way.
It's more complicated than that. I teach in a similar high level magnet school (mathematics). Imagine your kids go to a rough middle school where teachers do not want to teach because its dangerous. There are middle schools teeming with gangs and no one wants to deal with that. Now that kid doesn't have a math teacher because no one will work there. How can she compete with a kid who comes from a school fully staffed without those problems? Her ability to study is not the problem, the schools ability to provide adequate instruction is. I teach in a school like these high end magnet schools listed and I have that girl in my class and she's struggling to get started but her drive is even greater than some of the kids who would have scored higher than her because she knows what THAT HS she came from would be like compared to here. She's just grateful to have a math teacher. How many kids do you know in school who are grateful to just have a math teacher? The reason she was admitted is each school district is allocated a set number of seats in our magnet school based on student ability. She was towards to top of her middle school despite her scores being significantly lower than students from more affluent districts. Yet she will probably earn an A in my class because how hard she is willing to work.
Culture wise, Asians are in alignment with obedience. White supremacy will not ally with a race of people that will over run or take over. Us ( black) as a people preparation means focusing more on emotional intelligence Anger blows out the lamp of the mind, keep us angry. They know that. Power plays. Crabs in a bucket is what the strategy is. Culture wise, classism is promoted in Asian society. Each race dominates a very specific category. Why would white supremacy favor intelligence and strong will? We can entertain, but that's it. Yes there are successful black doctors, lawyers etcetera. Which ones will ever see the money the artist or athletes have? However, these type programs we get into with no problem. It's called steering 😊 Melanated , specifically blacks have been waiting for the opportunity to dismantle supremacy. Give us elite education for what? Asians are not favored, they are more compliant. Test are not a good metric. Factor in red lining, blacks are distracted. Study when? Between your first or second job because on average, your parents are too busy working to keep struggling. We are feared, and have been conditioned to internalize the fear. Caucasion take overs allow room for others to benefit them Our race will always be given inferior processes to navigate. That is why we have to make our own way.
How has merit become racism? Study hard and you get the opportunity to go to these schools that will fit your proven academic level. If you don’t pass then what is the big deal? Go to another school and work on improving your education.
It has to do with a lot of discipline. Asian culture is very disciplined when it comes to academia. It’s admirable, although probably exhausting. Parents need to be better at making sure their children keep their priorities straight. As a college professor, students who put their academia first and don’t make excuses make it very far
Not to mention the city wants to make it easier for other folks to get in because of race. But the real truth is all those asian kids are enrolled in after school academics programs
More than just discipline, because everyone I grew up with who is Asian is not a doctor, but I am. I have three brothers, but I’m the only person who had really good teachers out of all my siblings and it’s almost like once teachers or admin put you into a category you’re stuck or feels like you are labeled.
some parents cant be involved in their kids studies, even if they want to. if the parent works 2 or more jobs, doesn’t speak english, or never graduated high school, the parent won’t be able to help their kid with school
@@babs_babs If they need to work that much to get buy they are a below median parent, and wouldn't help their children that much anyways. I would rather live in a car or a tent then not have time to teach my kids.
@@Gamerad360 you would rather make your kids be homeless than provide for them? and you somehow have the gall to act like that would make you a decent parent
@@lostwanderer6649 And in reality all knowledge is publicly available for free. So, yes there is meritocracy. Only kids very below average couldn't succeed with all knowledge being freely available. It's copium to believe all your problems is due to life being not fair.
@@Gamerad360 That's a blatant lie. All knowledge is not for free despite the internet. Colleges who've made contracts with library systems is a barrier to those not in a college to access knowledge, workers getting hired through nepotism (seen in high rates in some industries like media) exists, and biases in hiring practices are still rampant. Meritocracy in the US or many other nations is a fantasy u tell yourself, because it goes against reality. For instance, try to access medical journals without a paid subscription, or many studies or material evidence from antiquity (jstor, journal of nature, Lexus nexus etc). Try again to suggest meritocracy exists as any basis without lying and u may have a point.
As long as race isn't indicated on a test, a test is a good way to get in. The Racial divide could be cultural. It may sound racist, but there is truth to the fact that Asians have a culture built around "Test well get the best job you can work hard at it" the other races do not. They are more prone to studying, working and doing what makes there families happy. After all these are the BEST schools for the BEST students. Not public schools. If you want a shot you have to study. Some times you have to accept that maybe you don't get in your 1st try. Take a lesser school for a few years then transfer.
No, tests especially those which test academic aptitude are usually economic based..and since economics are tied to race, unfortunately so are those tests. Those with the means to afford and access resources will usually outperform those without and it's not cause they're smarter or meritocratic. Nor is it wrong those with the means to afford those resources or gain that access. But as a result of their participation inequity will persist.
@lostwanderer6649, have you seen how newly arriving Asian families live? It’s not because we have the means. My family arrived with purchasing airline tickets on credit (there weren’t credit cards at the time almost 40 years ago, so they got the credit directly with the airline and eventually paid it off) and $500 in cash for a family of 7 to Queens. We all worked hard- the kids studying and helping our parents in their work. We lived in mice and cockroach infested apartments with ridiculous rents moving multiple times throughout my childhood when landlords raised the rent too high. My parents worked 12-18 hour days 6 days a week. We never went out to eat, go on vacations- only day off for all of us were Sundays for church and anything that was free living in NYC. My parents didn’t have the opportunity to even learn English because they were working such long hours, and yes they tried when we first immigrated but we never saw them because they were already at work when we woke up for school and after work go to English language school and get home at 10 or 11pm when we’re already asleep. This went on for 3 months and they just could t do it anymore. I being the oldest was 7, my siblings 5,3, and less than a year old. My grandmother lived with us and watched over us during that time. My parents did not pressure us so much but we saw the sacrifices they were making for our futures. They got us piano, violin lessons scrimping and saving so we can have enrichment. Paid for tutors to help us with our homework, it wasn’t because we had the means, it was because we knew we had to sacrifice for our futures. I’m 53 years old now a teacher with a master’s degree, we were a foster family taking 6 babies adopting one, we have a lawyer who works in advocacy, successful business man and a pastor in the family. All of us making a difference in our communities. Even my parents after they were forced into retirement in their late fifties due to health issues volunteered teaching refugees and immigrants how to sew so they can make a living- they worked in clothing factories and it didn’t require English. My parents had less than an elementary school education in Korea and always emphasized education as the only way for our family can advance. I know that most of the families at the Korean church we went to made similar sacrifices. Please don’t see my comment as saying other people of color are not making the sacrifices like this, I’m just sharing my story so you can look into a childhood like mine.
@@lostwanderer6649yes the environmental factors make it unfair and it is what we call systemic racism. But I do not think lowering standards or implementing affirmative action is the answer becuase it does penalize students and take away their opportunity for a better education and eventually better job prospects. It’s taking away from a group in this case Asians, to benefit another racial group. I do think what the OP said is correct. It’s the test score and that is it but at the same token there is an socio-economic component that detriments those with poorer backgrounds. Rather than target black and Hispanic students with affirmative action, I think a fairer solution is to help those in those poorer socio-economic backgrounds regardless of their race. Help them because they are poor not because they are white/black/Asian/Latino. How we go about this is the real question? Find programs and solutions that are economically and logistically feasible to aid the lower class. Don’t make it about race. Eventually by helping the lower income class, it will work itself out and as long as everyone regardless of race has a similar opportunity and resources, it’s all fair game. But my statement is idealistic. Throw in emotions, politics and economics and it brews up a storm where nothing is done and no one is happy with the resolution.
@@PercyFinn👏🏻👏🏻thanks for saying this out loud and sharing your story. Its sad and sometimes angers me when others say when they talk abt some one soing well in test many a times asians and some other oo you are privileged or u have mean soo much undermining the hard work and all the sacrifices that person made to study hard and get thoese score . No one know how much the parent scarified to get them the extra tutor who prioritize their childrens education over their minimal needs so are you saying tht is a privilege or tht oo they have the mean soo many don’t understand or even try to see whats behind tht children who did well despite all the odds nd lack of meNs
No race is actually stupider than the others. So this says a lot about culture. We need schools exactly like this because we need to lift up and challenge these children, not hinder their learning because other kids can't keep up. That black girl should be ecstatic to be going to a school with her intellectual peers. She might even learn Mandarin.
I feel like having an even representation in ALL schools are good. If there is even representation everywhere, funding would be equally distributed. It is up for schools to make sure they can challenge students, but also support those who need help. A great mentorship program could occur between students, and teachers. Right now, that Senator is only thinking of serving one group, which is sad..cause they should be serving all groups. You can lift up people together, but what they’re doing is lifting one up while putting others down.
@@UseURHead, the senator is not working just for one group. The way this segment featured him around the table with the Asian students was giving you that visual. I have two adult daughters who were moved to a new school district, the new school put them in regents classes at first. They were surrounded by students who were not interested in their education at all and were a distraction. I advocated for them to be moved to honors level classes and the difference in the rigor was stark. They were surrounded by students who were motivated and wanting to achieve which brought my kids to want to reach. This is the learning environment we should creating in schools not mix them all up so they bring the expectations down. The educational system needs to be restructured from birth so that all children are given the opportunity to strive and attain based on their own merit. Please look into what Catherine Hershey School and Milton Hershey School in Pa are doing. If only we can get this level of educational opportunities for all children.
This has nothing to do with race even when you go to other Asian countries they strive to work harder and be competitive when it comes to education. Also those exams are no joke they have things in that test that they don't even teach in some of these NYC public middle schools.
In Hong Kong it starts at nursery. When we are playing in the west they are already doing maths etc. Their schoolbags are heavier than the child... Not saying that is ideal but that is the level of competition.
It has to do with culture & money - in those countries they push their kids so hard because if you don't make it to the top-ranks early-on, your opportunities are severely limited. I don't think that's a model we should be emulating in the States.
@@mandisaw I am not saying that we should heck of course there needs to be a balance to it but I mean this report states that its because of race there are not enough black kids in top level high schools and that is not the case.
@@joeherrera8826 There used to be more of a racial mix in the 70s-90s, even with the test and all other factors being equal. You had kids from all over the City, all different economic & cultural backgrounds - that was part of the program's strength! Now it's not just very homogeneous culturally, only a small handful of neighborhoods/middle schools are represented at all.
Why do people think that they should be able to use their skin color to get what they want??? Hard work Gets You Where You Want To Go. Not Your Skin Color. End Of Story
Stop blaming race over voluntary incompetence. Asians like Indians and Chinese have been bullied, victims of prejudice and stereotyped for years but they still excel in education, work and many careers!!
It's just an American stereotype. I told an Indian woman who lives in India that school in India must be tough because Indians are so smart. She couldn't understand, so I told her that in America, we view Indians as smart and she thought that was the dumbest thing she's ever heard. She said there are plenty of dumb Indians in India and that if I wanted to meet them, I can come visit to see for myself.
im about to graduate college, i remember when i was younger many teachers used to call me bright as i always paid attention in class and got A's in most of not all my classes, math being my most impressive performance. Everyone in my eight grade class was encouraged to take the test that will get you into these prestigious NYC high schools. I took the bus to get to the testing site 30 minutes early, i waited and waited until the test prompter told us to start. I felt so defeated, to know how smart of a kid i was yet i barely knew any of the information I was being tested on. Months went by and out of the 100 kids in my high school only one was accepted into one of these high schools. It wasn't about whether you worked hard or not, it wasn't about if you paid attention in school and did well in your classes. It was about how much your parents could afford the classes that will teach you the information that you will be tested on, if they even knew that there was such a thing. These are children, most of them want to make their parents proud and to be proud of themselves, their race doesn't change that, just the accessibility.
maybe back then the accessibility to materials to study for the shsat was limited, but in this day and age, you can get many free resources from the internet. accessibility isnt really an issue now as the use of the internet increases.
Let the best person win admission and let not make colleges responsible for social changes instead of the government. Many Asian students also don’t get in. If you lower the education standards of a college everyone lose.
I teach in a high end magnet high school like the ones discussed here but in a different state. Similarly students have an aptitude test to determine who gets in. In our state we have so many slots allocated to teach school district. This means we get kids from the rougher feeder schools and kids from the higher end districts. My kids from a rough district did not have a math teacher for 7th or 8th grade. That being said they were practically in tears to meet me and realize they have a real life honest to god teacher. They are also my hardest working students because they don't want to go back to their home division. The right solution is to use the test but take the top students from each school allocated by slots. Slots should be proportional to school population. This way you take the top % of students proportionally equal from all feeder schools. It's a good system.
The problem with this is, there is systemic racism in our society. When all education from pre-school to 8th grade is equal everywhere, then a standard test is appropriate. Until then, as this lady is doing, we need programs to let those who are exceptional learn how to compete for these high schools.
Culture wise, Asians are in alignment with obedience. White supremacy will not ally with a race of people that will over run or take over. Us ( black) as a people preparation means focusing more on emotional intelligence Anger blows out the lamp of the mind, keep us angry. They know that. Power plays. Crabs in a bucket is what the strategy is. Culture wise, classism is promoted in Asian society. Each race dominates a very specific category. Why would white supremacy favor intelligence and strong will? We can entertain, but that's it. Yes there are successful black doctors, lawyers etcetera. Which ones will ever see the money the artist or athletes have? However, these type programs we get into with no problem. It's called steering 😊 Melanated , specifically blacks have been waiting for the opportunity to dismantle supremacy. Give us elite education for what? Asians are not favored, they are more compliant. Test are not a good metric. Factor in red lining, blacks are distracted. Study when? Between your first or second job because on average, your parents are too busy working to keep struggling. We are feared, and have been conditioned to internalize the fear. Caucasion take overs allow room for others to benefit them. Our race will always be given inferior processes to navigate. That is why we have to make our own way.
We actually used to have free prep programs for high-performing students for the Standardized HS test, as well as the SAT & ACT. But the funding got cut, and we immediately saw a massive decline in students from low-income families. The moniker of "Asian" students masks the class- and color-disparities within the immigrant population. An 8th grader from Shanghai who just showed up with a fat wallet and the benefit of 8+ yrs of foreign or private education is going to be much more advantaged than one from the Phillipines who spent grades 4-8 in underfunded US public schools.
Systematic victimhood. When I walk into a Chinese restaurant n see a kid reading a sat prep book, then run behind the register n give me proper change, that is hard work n diligence.
The disparity isn’t in the racial makeup of these schools even though that’s what it appears to be. These Asian students worked hard and deserve to be at these elite schools but there should be ROOM for every student that wants to participate. The disparity is in the fact that not all public schools offer the same level of educational opportunities. The real goal should be to have elite programs available at ALL public schools so that any student who wants to participate can. ALL students deserve to have the same quality of education. Not all students may want to participate but it should be available for any student that wants to participate. Schools should invest in tutoring for students who have the drive but just need a little help with mastering self learning skills. Elite programs shouldn’t be just for STEM programs, we need elite programs in the arts, literature, history, philosophy, entrepreneurship, etc. to make society more balanced. This will offer students who may not particularly want to be elite in math, other options to participate at an elite level. It seems that the focus is on math and English only which actually seems quite limiting. I’m not an education expert but shouldn’t Math and English skills be considered base level at elite schools? All students who are to be considered should meet standards which would obviously be high, but once these standards are met, shouldn’t other factors be considered as well? Problem solving skills, creativity, imagination and ingenuity, etc.?
I think that is why they test for Math and English. They expect students to perform above average in those and will not need help in the basics so they will concentrate on advanced STEM subjects.
nonnonononono. its not only math and ela the students are being tested on. its focus. thats why theres a time limit and its not unlimited like the state test. the material on the shsat are all gone over in 7th grade to early 8th grade ( functions and equations etc) the wording is complex and the thing that throws students off is the lack of being able to think critically or being emotionally detached and unbiased. ( on the ela! ) many people still get into specialized highschools without prep aswell!!
That black girl can be proud because if anyone dares accuse of her being a beneficiary of diversity or affirmative action she can tell them she got into an elite NY high schoo.
Which is why I support school vouchers, so parents can shop for the best education for their child. If you want your child to get in a better school with higher academic standards, then I suggest tutoring or sending your kid to cram school.
Better schools are easy to do for a family with financial resources. School vouchers also great for families with financial resources. What is best is a quality public system that can put a financially struggling family onto a path to higher education and better financial futures.
@richardbruneau381 nah, this is completely wrong. Do you know how much funding low income NYC schools get for private tutoring? I remember from K-12 my parents were always approached by school representatives about utilizing these programs. At that point its up the the culture of the family to use those resources. Don't blame the hard working families who want better for their kids just to meet a certain demographic percentage.
@@Thomas-py9gl I do not know how much funding a low income family can receive, so fill in the details. Also, details on whether the free tutor budget is fully expended. Also, with a voucher to take your kid to a private school, how much money is still required?
@@rb239rtrAs I understand it, you're using the tax money allocated to your child for education to pay for charter school tuition. I'm going to guess that there will still be a difference to make up. I know someone who went to a charter school for a semester. It was very very rigorous, and they got worked into the ground despite being very studious.
Make education across the city standard. Have help for those who are who want to apply. Then test. I think it would be more fair. And more children would do well all across the board this way.
the issue is staffing. I taught in a rough HS and lemme tell you something. I had 2 workman's comp claims from gang violence in one year. We lost 25% of our faculty per year. Good luck making that school have the same advantages as a nice suburban school.
That obviously wouldn't work. There's no logic in what you're saying. With the limited amount of resources, you can't keep duplicating things without diluting them.
The problem is that's now how it works, due to teachers unions the bad teachers stay. For there to be the best schools it requires the teachers be good, and have good school staff.
I went to a high school and university where the majority was Asian. The standards were real high. However, when I joined the workforce, it was no longer Asian. I noticed a change in culture and work ethic and I enjoyed the laid back nature more.
As an Asian myself, i agree. The workaholic is unsustainable. Especially if you live in East-Asia, the culture is crazy and too competitive. Work-life balance is the key to a healthy living. This is why Western countries attract more immigrants and very diverse.
She and her peers were gifted individuals who applied themselves to the task at hand. She certainly didn’t get a handout because of her ancestry; it was hard work and discipline that got her to NASA.
And she would have made it to these schools because her race is not a question on the exam. Only being human is required. All humans in these schools are the same. Nerds come in every shape and color.
She didn’t get a handout or an exception because of her race, that’s why. She was gifted, driven, and worked hard in school and at NASA to earn her place in one of the most historical events in the world.
That just shows your ignorance. Go travel to the Caribbean and you will see plenty of "Black and Latino". Black is a race and Latino is an ethnicity. Latino is not a race.
Offer it to the kids that do the best on the test seems like a great idea. I’m white im not mad there is way more Asians that got in than whites. Congratulations Asian on having a good family culture that promotes education excellence in your homes. White people of New York why don’t you strive harder to educate your kids so they can perform better on this test so your kids get the opportunity to go to this school.
Parents and students need to be more dedicated to prioritizing education at home and in school if they want to get into these schools. It's not race that sets you back, it's the values and expectations held personally, at home and in a community that either push you forward or hold you back. Instead of whining that it's not fair, and blaming society, step it up at home and in communities to have personal accountability, academic expectations and priorities. Your failures are your own, as well as your achievements, and instilling/acknowledging that is a huge step towards that.
People, please stop finding excuses. Yes, I agree a lot of good teachers may not volunteer to work in DANGEROUS neighborhoods. Have you thought of why? Please listen carefully, I said dangerous not poor. Poor neighborhoods don't have to be dangerous. People who live there make the neighborhood dangerous. For the people who think this is not fair, have you asked yourself how much time an average kid in these neighborhoods spent on learning and studying? Do they spend more time in the library (which is a free resource) or hanging out on the street? I kept telling others, everyone was born as a blank piece of paper. Knowledge does not magically generate in your head, no matter how smart you are. People come up with new ideas, thoughts and theses but all based on knowledge they have learned and evolved. Knowledge is like building blocks, you need to spend time learning and understanding them, more importantly keeping them. Good teacher or not as good teacher, they only introduce you to the knowledge. A good teacher may be more patient and may have multiple ways to teach and help different students. However, the students are the ones who ultimately take the knowledge, understand and use it. No teacher can open someone's head and put knowledge inside. No matter how good the teacher is. A smart student is great but honestly not as good as a hard working student in my opinion. If a smart student refuses to learn, how much do you think he/she knows? Can you still consider a smart student smart without any knowledge? Instead of blaming the system, first ask yourself how much work you have put in compared to others. Don't forget there is a lot of knowledge waiting for you to learn in the library. They are FREE. You only have to put in time. Don't tell me you don't have time, you have to work. I feel you but you can still read during your commute. That's free time. You may not jump from a 0 (grades based on a 100) to a 100 instantly but if you don't do anything, a 0 is always going to be a 0. For those who may be curious where I came from, I was once ranked the last in the whole grade with 400+ students. I worked my way up. I built my knowledge castle one brick at a time. You all can do it.
I don't expect everyone to agree (that's too idealistic and quite impossible) but that's what I believe and it did impact my life. Honestly, it was not easy but definitely doable. I just hope my words can help lighten someone up and give them the push/motivation in their life toward success. Instead of wasting time blaming on others, ask yourself what else can be done with all available resource (trust me, there are plenty out there). I personally took many free courses online to enrich my knowledge. All you need is a computer / a phone and internet access. I heard there are non-profit organization providing mentor/guidance to low income public school students, guiding the kids all the way through college. Please look them up. They are free but you need to show commitment (time commitment). My understanding is they want to help kids that want to be helped, have them hang and learn from the right group of people walking through the right path. They claim to help many first generation college graduates in their families. ❤Honestly, I really admire their work to make the society better.
there will never be a perfect solution, the fair thing to do would be for these schools to offer free prep classes starting 6 months to a year before the exam which would give all children who were interested the prep needed for the tests without bias or money constraints.
Yeah. Very sad how the city is trying to make it easier for non Asians and whites to make it into a specialized high school simply because they are that race and how their race’s culture doesn’t put a huge emphasis on education. In that sense, we should strive to have more Asians in the NBA no?
Are we not going to mention the fact, that at 1:01 there is 51 unknown raced kids. Is that to say that they did have aliens in the school 11 months ago? IS THIS A NEW ERA!!?!?!
One test score to determine whether or not you're accepted, what else SHOULD be a factor. Teaching these kids that they're going to an elite school and they have a barrier in doing so is a barrier in itself. These kids have an opportunity unlike any other and they should be prepared as such.
Where you come from... if you come from a rough school without a math teacher your score will be lower but it doesn't make you any less capable. I teach in an elite school in annother state and we divy slots by school and the highest scores in each school get in. The kid who didn't have a math teacher had an a in my algebra 2 class. That kid works their tail off because they a great full for the opportunity they were given to get out of the school district they came from.
Hey! As an Asian-American trying to go to these high schools, I legit don’t have any resources to study except for the opportunities given to me by the city. And, well, I’m in the same boat as them. I’m probably never gonna get into one because I need extra help, even though I know me and many other people could perform as well, even better than people that did get into those schools via the test if we had a chance. So… the system should definitely be reformed. There are many other prestigious schools that you can enter though that also don’t require the SHSAT, so keep an eye out!
So that Asian guy is extremely arrogant about Asian cultures, implying that the rest of us do not value education as much and therefore, should not get the same opportunities as them. He is looking out for his people and it is blatantly obvious. He comes off as condescending and elitist. It should be more than one test. A combination of factors need to be considered. And the K-8th education needs to prepare all students for this opportunity.
It's not a subject-test based on the curriculum, it's modeled on the SAT, and tests very specific skills. You absolutely have to practice, and you really can't go in cold, even if you're a strong student. We've known for decades that test-prep is important - that's why Kaplan, Princeton Review, Khan Academy, etc make so much money. The fact that some kids get years of prep, and school support, while others do not, is inherently discriminatory. Either we have to make free test-prep universally accessible, from 5th/6th grade, at least, or they need to go back to a holistic application - what the Specialized Schools did for decades before the test started in the 70s.
We did not prepare specifically for the SAT and ACT tests in the 1970s. We did take a Psat junior year to see if we were on track. Back then the testing was supposed to reflect what we had been learning for 12 years. I don't think increased test preparation is the answer. So many schools focus on test prep and the teachers are not allowed to just teach and we need to fix that.
This is just like the hiring process for the Long Island railroad. We are forced to work around unskilled unqualified and unsafe individuals who don't know the craft but still possess it through a bogus hiring process. Hire to fill a quota and 7 year progression to top pay in skilled crafts is bringing the moral and work quality to the ground.
What information is there on the feeder schools? Which schools do the candidates come from and what differences are there in those schools? If all feeder schools are equal, then it the difference is the preparation and non school factors. If feeder schools are unequal in quality, then that is a place to start change.
There is a free dreamers program to prepare people for the tests. I think the council knowing that they failed too many times to reform test admission is now working on doing something with the feeder schools.
It's obviously an Asian controlled school, cool, no problem. Black people need to practice groupism no different than Asians or Jews and build your own school. Integration was never a good thing. You're supposed to want to be with your own people.
How many white hoods do you wash a week? My wife is white. I'm proud we're not ignorant back country people trying to other people what is good for them.
It's not about preparing for exams, its about whose parents can donate the most money to the facility. school is a business, point blank. if you're not rich or If your parents cant bribe admissions with generous donations/ scholarships then your best bet for getting into these schools would be the entrance exams.
Its about if you have the intellecte and the background knowledge to be excepted. If you ate qualified you are able to get into these schools if not you cant get in to them.. by going by test marks is tge fairest way to determine thats. Text scores results dont care if you are black white asian or Hispanic. Either you make the grade or you dont. The test results tell you that
We need private schools staffed with committed, effective staff for Black and LatinX children. The staff will need massive support. It will be challenging to overcome the obstacles created by popular culture and poverty, but it can be done. It will require a massive and unrelenting political and economic battle with very powerful interests. Low expectations are killing our children. Tests , and all of their trappings, are almost always biased, especially with preparatory disparities. But we will have to somehow convince parents and politicians that this is of paramount importance. Do not be drawn into an ill advised conflict with Asians. There is nothing to be gained by succumbing to the old “divide-and-conquer” strategy. Many won’t understand and will insist that they are looking out for their own, as if they were somehow a separate entity. Fighting over crumbs thrown on the floor. We can create institutions that will nurture and inspire our children to achieve. Let’s do that.
School education in USA is really poor. Elementary to middle not much at all by High school kids are not prepared for what’s to come. Because of which many drop out and go for vocational courses. If someone wants to pass these tests they need to bring this awareness much early to students and parents. Have a way to prepare and then attend. You just can’t fight these tests. If it was not for these difficult test they wouldn’t be elite and students would not be selected accordingly. Not everyone is great and this should be accepted. Consolation prize concept should be removed.
It doesn't matter how poor the education system is when all knowledge is publicly available for free. If you aren't helping your kids learn you are a bad parent.
Leave the test. All other proposed alternatives from what was said here are all bias. This is victim mentality. And test prep is online and free if you search for it. Where there is a will there is a way. I am now a Black Engineer a product of public school education. I had a teacher from my middle school take what became the top graduates of the school and prepped us for the SHSAT free of charge during his summer. And may resource including free videos are available now a days
People need to stop complaining and shut up. Prepare for the test and take it period. People come from different back grounds ok and.....just take the test and find out about it. For example - spies or actors they may not be from wealthy families or experienced some of those things but they shore know how to learn in a fast paced environment. Just study / Prepare and thats it....if a kid can pass the entrance exam to get in the school then they should be let in. Also that black kid that passed to get in that high end high school should not be concerned with relating to any one their; the grades and high GPA should be the only thing they should be focused because everyone els their is their competition. Black girls and boys that go to that high school focus on only achieving high academically so when the requiters from the big college s come around they will see your grades. Now if a black kid scores high on the exam and ther turned away from the school thats when we have a problem. Now the question should be raised why aren't you letting me in. Black boys and girls remember what I said...focus on your grades and no one els because everyone els is your Competition.
High scores in test proves that the student has scored well on a test. Says nothing about their ability to think critically, can formulate ideas, are creative or can work well with others. Of course the person who succeeded on the basis of testing will champion it.
A large portion of the asians qualify for public programs. The rich people just go to private schools. Some black and latinos are actually given scholarships to private schools to make them look more diverse.
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Stop pushing victim mentality. Let the best students win the race.
POND (people of Neanderthal decent ) need to remove affirmative action from the military if they remove it from scholarly institutions, a lot of hypocrisy, to recognise its strength in certain fields (military ) and remove it from another, they also need to remove legacy based admission if they want thorough merit based admissions.
I mean the reason certain groups are in these schools is because they place importance on education culturally.
That is basically it.... Parents are involved with education and are not leaving it to the school alone..
Nope. There are NYC neighborhoods where the kids are sent to HS test-prep from 2nd grade. But they aren't educated in arts, history, language, science, etc, or encouraged to do any activities/experiences that aren't explicitly aimed towards getting a higher score on some test. That doesn't actually reflect a belief in the importance of education - it's more a cultural assumption (from the "old country") that high test score = elite admissions = elite jobs = high income job, so you can take care of your parents, and show-up your parents' friends.
When you see a kid with top marks on the SAT, but who can't write a "What did you do for fun last summer?" essay without ChatGPT, that's not a well-educated person. Elite colleges are looking for well-rounded student populations, and so is society - real-life is nothing like a standardized test.
There are no inferior people, only inferior cultures. Eradicate that culture and the people will rise...simple as that
@@mandisawur over exaggerating it
@@justindai9742 Even if he or she is. If that what what it takes and what's working then the group(s) that aren't getting in need to do that same process.
A test should be the determining factor because its objective and based on merits and not bias and racist.
Yes, "academic preparation! YES! But, dancing and singing is much more fun than learning math or science... I remember being a college student in the 1970's; Asian kids were coming to the US, many 6-10 years young, not speaking a single word of English upon arrival, had little to no money, taking ESL classes in the poorest of urban schools, and graduating high school as valedictorian, going on to Harvard University. My college had about 60% White, 38% Black, and 2% Asian students; if you went into the library at any given time, at least 50% of the occupants were Asian... It's more about values and much less about racism...
Like the Asian man said, "it's about preparation". That's why Blacks dominate basketball and football and Hispanics dominate Baseball. But you don't hear anyone saying, "let change sports to include more Asians." It's about preparation. Forcing representation is unfair; everything should be merit base. I wouldn't let a 5'5 Asian in the NBA if he can't shoot and defend just for representation.
When will Asian people stop being deluded to think that they are white! White supremacy is not on their side lol. White people are using Asian people as pawns for their own propaganda.
Fair enough to me. But it's not about race. The real issue is that we don't wanna face. The real issue, keep it at the same pace...don't let all the progress go to waste. Revive the American spirit and with haste. Real oppression we don't wanna taste. White people, all feel the same, there's some stuff we wish we could change. Boys are still boys or are people straight deranged? Is there a God or can someone say his name? Our God's don't have to think or be the same. Faith I hope for you, always chase your flame. Let's work together cause we're on the same team.
Mugsy isn’t Asian.
I think representation is great. People can see themselves in those people. A short person in basketball can go to a different country if that’s their passion.
Remember, kids are taught racism, like you, so if they can be with others different than them, they will actually be better humans for it, unlike you.
But when preparation for academics is tied more towards economics, it becomes a barrier tied to race, so..
@@lostwanderer6649 true!
It's called qualified ..
If you study , work hard and try you can get there
Not always
@@rasputinspickledpeepee1976 no not always trust me
Sounds like another way of saying if you wish hard enough, work hard enough.. you can manifest anything-- which sounds nice but dishonest at face value cause it assumes everything outside the individual is "right" and things fall into place as a result
@@samlamme5924says the low iq voter who thinks it's your skin color.
It's your culture and upbringing. Slow boy.
@@rasputinspickledpeepee1976 It's harder if your kid is below median, and if they are too far below median it's almost impossible, but for the vast majority of students it is very likely if they actually dedicated themselves to studies that they would succeed.
The only reason why the other races are OUTNUMBERED by Asians is because studying/high GPA/ high testing scores are embedded into their upbringing. My Asian mom forced me to study and attend tutoring every day just to get into Specialized high schools. many Asian families value academics over recreational activities. back when I was applying many of my non-Asian friends didn't even know what specialized high schools were or why I was trying so hard to get into one. so if predominantly Asian people apply they will most likely get admission.
What is the failiure rate? Imagine admitting average kids and dragging the numbers down turning it into another losing public school
Culture wise, Asians are in alignment with obedience. White supremacy will not ally with a race of people that will over run or take over. Us ( black) as a people preparation means focusing more on emotional intelligence
Anger blows out the lamp of the mind, keep us angry. They know that.
Power plays. Crabs in a bucket is what the strategy is. Culture wise, classism is promoted in Asian society.
Each race dominates a very specific category. Why would white supremacy favor intelligence and strong will? We can entertain, but that's it. Yes there are successful black doctors, lawyers etcetera. Which ones will ever see the money the artist or athletes have?
However, these type programs we get into with no problem. It's called steering 😊
Melanated , specifically blacks have been waiting for the opportunity to dismantle supremacy. Give us elite education for what?
Asians are not favored, they are more compliant. Test are not a good metric.
Factor in red lining, blacks are distracted. Study when? Between your first or second job because on average, your parents are too busy working to keep struggling.
We are feared, and have been conditioned to internalize the fear. Caucasion take overs allow room for others to benefit them
Our race will always be given inferior processes to navigate. That is why we have to make our own way.
That’s a negative way of looking at it. How about thinking about it as teaching an average kid to be a better student? A good environment with good teachers and good peers can be a good influence on an average student don’t you think?
@@Darrel8086I understand what you are saying. That given the quality opportunity and resources anyone can do well but I do not think that is quite right realistically.
I think everyone can become better and smarter but stuy is a league of its own. Not everyone will perform and be brilliant just because they go to a good school with good teachers. It’s like saying you can be a doctor or also a nasa scientist with the right teacher but if the passion, drive and a little bit of natural talent isn’t there, you won’t be able to commit to it and perform well. You might do okay or a little better than you normally would but you won’t be at the high standard expected of you or reach that stage you truly need to be at. You can go from a B student to an A student but can you be A+?Clearly not everyone can be A+. I think that is the true problem of affirmative action and in that sense I agree with the OP that it does lower standards in the long run.
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@@testaccount1055Im pretty sure that many olympians and some of the “top” students in the world were given the gift of time and good instruction to focus on there goals than anyone else. If Michael Phelps had to spend more time trying to work on other jobs rather than practice swimming would you have expected him to do so well? It’s true that not everyone can be the best given all the resources but I don’t think we can expect people to be the best if they don’t have the resources.
Diversity is NOT more important that quality education.
No one complaining why NBA is almost 100 % blacks.
Actually some people started complaining because many of the black players are marrying white women so many of the top recruits now are light skinned.
100%?
The NBA isn’t even 75% Black.
@@noble604 how many % are Asians🤑🤪
rayrv - silly argument. What percentage of Asians are the average height of an NBA player? The NBA is a select group where height is probably the biggest factor. If people of African descent didn’t have height as a factor, they wouldn’t be in the NBA either
@@noble604 well it the same in arguments in stuyvents high school. Asians are more brainiac.
you should not go to a high school based on your skin colour but on your academic abilities🤔
The young female black student should recognize that the people in the new school she is going to be attending do in fact share her same background - they have a drive to learn and improve themselves. It doesn't matter that the other students she went to school with before had similar skin tones. Those others students from her old school are not going to her new school because they're not like her.
That’s just not the reality
Good point.
What would actually be a much worse situation is if they changed the admissions process all of a sudden and otherwise undeserving students would be admitted. Then she would actually be ostracized even worse because fellow students would believe she was one of the sympathy admits, although she would have gotten in without the change in admissions process.
What kind of change? Perhaps a lottery system that replaces the test score system as basis for admissions.
The above scenario actually happened for 2 years in an elite public school in San Francisco before voters changed to return to a merit-based system. Lots of negative unintended consequences in that experiment. And thank goodness it was fixed.
No, Stuy in particular has always had a major race x classism problem. The kids self-segregate pretty hard there, and "keeping up with the Joneses" takes on a very peculiar form. The newer immigrants from countries like China, S. Korea, and India also tend to have a very hierarchical/competitive mindset, discouraging kids from associating with classmates who can't advantage them in some way down the line. It's pretty sad, and not to the benefit of any of the students. Bx Science & Bklyn Tech used to be better-mixed, but it's harder to do so with such low diversity in the student (and teacher) populations.
You do realize that more money is allocated for minority students through federal Title I and other programs.
@@Jeanne90275 You're confused, or misinformed. Extra Fed money is allocated to schools that serve poor populations - hence the push to get kids registered for free/reduced lunch. That can overlap with minorities, but poor white & rural schools receive the same support. Doesn't have much to do with this topic though, State & local funds make up the majority of the budget, and those are allocated by headcount.
This is outrageous! I have to study hard!?!? That's inhumane!
Culture wise, Asians are in alignment with obedience. White supremacy will not ally with a race of people that will over run or take over. Us ( black) as a people preparation means focusing more on emotional intelligence
Anger blows out the lamp of the mind, keep us angry. They know that.
Power plays. Crabs in a bucket is what the strategy is. Culture wise, classism is promoted in Asian society.
Each race dominates a very specific category. Why would white supremacy favor intelligence and strong will? We can entertain, but that's it. Yes there are successful black doctors, lawyers etcetera. Which ones will ever see the money the artist or athletes have?
However, these type programs we get into with no problem. It's called steering 😊
Melanated , specifically blacks have been waiting for the opportunity to dismantle supremacy. Give us elite education for what?
Asians are not favored, they are more compliant. Test are not a good metric.
Factor in red lining, blacks are distracted. Study when? Between your first or second job because on average, your parents are too busy working to keep struggling.
We are feared, and have been conditioned to internalize the fear. Caucasion take overs allow room for others to benefit them
Our race will always be given inferior processes to navigate. That is why we have to make our own way.
Lol
It's more complicated than that. I teach in a similar high level magnet school (mathematics).
Imagine your kids go to a rough middle school where teachers do not want to teach because its dangerous. There are middle schools teeming with gangs and no one wants to deal with that. Now that kid doesn't have a math teacher because no one will work there. How can she compete with a kid who comes from a school fully staffed without those problems? Her ability to study is not the problem, the schools ability to provide adequate instruction is.
I teach in a school like these high end magnet schools listed and I have that girl in my class and she's struggling to get started but her drive is even greater than some of the kids who would have scored higher than her because she knows what THAT HS she came from would be like compared to here. She's just grateful to have a math teacher. How many kids do you know in school who are grateful to just have a math teacher?
The reason she was admitted is each school district is allocated a set number of seats in our magnet school based on student ability. She was towards to top of her middle school despite her scores being significantly lower than students from more affluent districts. Yet she will probably earn an A in my class because how hard she is willing to work.
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@@Yeomen1986why is the school dangerous?
Culture... Asian Families put High Value on Education and push their kids very hard... No feeling BS just Results!
Culture wise, Asians are in alignment with obedience. White supremacy will not ally with a race of people that will over run or take over. Us ( black) as a people preparation means focusing more on emotional intelligence
Anger blows out the lamp of the mind, keep us angry. They know that.
Power plays. Crabs in a bucket is what the strategy is. Culture wise, classism is promoted in Asian society.
Each race dominates a very specific category. Why would white supremacy favor intelligence and strong will? We can entertain, but that's it. Yes there are successful black doctors, lawyers etcetera. Which ones will ever see the money the artist or athletes have?
However, these type programs we get into with no problem. It's called steering 😊
Melanated , specifically blacks have been waiting for the opportunity to dismantle supremacy. Give us elite education for what?
Asians are not favored, they are more compliant. Test are not a good metric.
Factor in red lining, blacks are distracted. Study when? Between your first or second job because on average, your parents are too busy working to keep struggling.
We are feared, and have been conditioned to internalize the fear. Caucasion take overs allow room for others to benefit them
Our race will always be given inferior processes to navigate. That is why we have to make our own way.
How has merit become racism? Study hard and you get the opportunity to go to these schools that will fit your proven academic level. If you don’t pass then what is the big deal? Go to another school and work on improving your education.
It has to do with a lot of discipline. Asian culture is very disciplined when it comes to academia. It’s admirable, although probably exhausting. Parents need to be better at making sure their children keep their priorities straight. As a college professor, students who put their academia first and don’t make excuses make it very far
Not to mention the city wants to make it easier for other folks to get in because of race. But the real truth is all those asian kids are enrolled in after school academics programs
More than just discipline, because everyone I grew up with who is Asian is not a doctor, but I am. I have three brothers, but I’m the only person who had really good teachers out of all my siblings and it’s almost like once teachers or admin put you into a category you’re stuck or feels like you are labeled.
Hardwork should be rewarded, not penalized.
Especially for law-abiding citizens.
Parents who are involved with their children’s studies do better!
some parents cant be involved in their kids studies, even if they want to. if the parent works 2 or more jobs, doesn’t speak english, or never graduated high school, the parent won’t be able to help their kid with school
@@babs_babs If they need to work that much to get buy they are a below median parent, and wouldn't help their children that much anyways. I would rather live in a car or a tent then not have time to teach my kids.
@@Gamerad360 you would rather make your kids be homeless than provide for them? and you somehow have the gall to act like that would make you a decent parent
Merit alone is the best approach.
If only America was a meritocracy, that would work great. But we gotta work in reality so..
@@lostwanderer6649 And in reality all knowledge is publicly available for free. So, yes there is meritocracy. Only kids very below average couldn't succeed with all knowledge being freely available. It's copium to believe all your problems is due to life being not fair.
@@Gamerad360 That's a blatant lie. All knowledge is not for free despite the internet. Colleges who've made contracts with library systems is a barrier to those not in a college to access knowledge, workers getting hired through nepotism (seen in high rates in some industries like media) exists, and biases in hiring practices are still rampant. Meritocracy in the US or many other nations is a fantasy u tell yourself, because it goes against reality. For instance, try to access medical journals without a paid subscription, or many studies or material evidence from antiquity (jstor, journal of nature, Lexus nexus etc).
Try again to suggest meritocracy exists as any basis without lying and u may have a point.
As long as race isn't indicated on a test, a test is a good way to get in. The Racial divide could be cultural. It may sound racist, but there is truth to the fact that Asians have a culture built around "Test well get the best job you can work hard at it" the other races do not. They are more prone to studying, working and doing what makes there families happy. After all these are the BEST schools for the BEST students. Not public schools. If you want a shot you have to study.
Some times you have to accept that maybe you don't get in your 1st try. Take a lesser school for a few years then transfer.
Yeah. And aim to duplicate this school more importantly
No, tests especially those which test academic aptitude are usually economic based..and since economics are tied to race, unfortunately so are those tests. Those with the means to afford and access resources will usually outperform those without and it's not cause they're smarter or meritocratic. Nor is it wrong those with the means to afford those resources or gain that access. But as a result of their participation inequity will persist.
@lostwanderer6649, have you seen how newly arriving Asian families live? It’s not because we have the means. My family arrived with purchasing airline tickets on credit (there weren’t credit cards at the time almost 40 years ago, so they got the credit directly with the airline and eventually paid it off) and $500 in cash for a family of 7 to Queens. We all worked hard- the kids studying and helping our parents in their work. We lived in mice and cockroach infested apartments with ridiculous rents moving multiple times throughout my childhood when landlords raised the rent too high. My parents worked 12-18 hour days 6 days a week. We never went out to eat, go on vacations- only day off for all of us were Sundays for church and anything that was free living in NYC. My parents didn’t have the opportunity to even learn English because they were working such long hours, and yes they tried when we first immigrated but we never saw them because they were already at work when we woke up for school and after work go to English language school and get home at 10 or 11pm when we’re already asleep. This went on for 3 months and they just could t do it anymore. I being the oldest was 7, my siblings 5,3, and less than a year old. My grandmother lived with us and watched over us during that time.
My parents did not pressure us so much but we saw the sacrifices they were making for our futures. They got us piano, violin lessons scrimping and saving so we can have enrichment. Paid for tutors to help us with our homework, it wasn’t because we had the means, it was because we knew we had to sacrifice for our futures.
I’m 53 years old now a teacher with a master’s degree, we were a foster family taking 6 babies adopting one, we have a lawyer who works in advocacy, successful business man and a pastor in the family. All of us making a difference in our communities. Even my parents after they were forced into retirement in their late fifties due to health issues volunteered teaching refugees and immigrants how to sew so they can make a living- they worked in clothing factories and it didn’t require English. My parents had less than an elementary school education in Korea and always emphasized education as the only way for our family can advance. I know that most of the families at the Korean church we went to made similar sacrifices.
Please don’t see my comment as saying other people of color are not making the sacrifices like this, I’m just sharing my story so you can look into a childhood like mine.
@@lostwanderer6649yes the environmental factors make it unfair and it is what we call systemic racism. But I do not think lowering standards or implementing affirmative action is the answer becuase it does penalize students and take away their opportunity for a better education and eventually better job prospects. It’s taking away from a group in this case Asians, to benefit another racial group.
I do think what the OP said is correct. It’s the test score and that is it but at the same token there is an socio-economic component that detriments those with poorer backgrounds. Rather than target black and Hispanic students with affirmative action, I think a fairer solution is to help those in those poorer socio-economic backgrounds regardless of their race. Help them because they are poor not because they are white/black/Asian/Latino. How we go about this is the real question? Find programs and solutions that are economically and logistically feasible to aid the lower class. Don’t make it about race. Eventually by helping the lower income class, it will work itself out and as long as everyone regardless of race has a similar opportunity and resources, it’s all fair game.
But my statement is idealistic. Throw in emotions, politics and economics and it brews up a storm where nothing is done and no one is happy with the resolution.
@@PercyFinn👏🏻👏🏻thanks for saying this out loud and sharing your story. Its sad and sometimes angers me when others say when they talk abt some one soing well in test many a times asians and some other oo you are privileged or u have mean soo much undermining the hard work and all the sacrifices that person made to study hard and get thoese score . No one know how much the parent scarified to get them the extra tutor who prioritize their childrens education over their minimal needs so are you saying tht is a privilege or tht oo they have the mean soo many don’t understand or even try to see whats behind tht children who did well despite all the odds nd lack of meNs
Simple. Do good on the test. No race involved.
It's "do well", not "do good".
No race is actually stupider than the others. So this says a lot about culture. We need schools exactly like this because we need to lift up and challenge these children, not hinder their learning because other kids can't keep up. That black girl should be ecstatic to be going to a school with her intellectual peers. She might even learn Mandarin.
Yup, subtle racism at its best. Being racist without even knowing they are racist.
I feel like having an even representation in ALL schools are good. If there is even representation everywhere, funding would be equally distributed. It is up for schools to make sure they can challenge students, but also support those who need help. A great mentorship program could occur between students, and teachers.
Right now, that Senator is only thinking of serving one group, which is sad..cause they should be serving all groups.
You can lift up people together, but what they’re doing is lifting one up while putting others down.
@@UseURHead politicians only care what their donors want.
She needs to learn good English and lose that Ebonics if she’s attending that elite school
@@UseURHead, the senator is not working just for one group. The way this segment featured him around the table with the Asian students was giving you that visual. I have two adult daughters who were moved to a new school district, the new school put them in regents classes at first. They were surrounded by students who were not interested in their education at all and were a distraction. I advocated for them to be moved to honors level classes and the difference in the rigor was stark. They were surrounded by students who were motivated and wanting to achieve which brought my kids to want to reach. This is the learning environment we should creating in schools not mix them all up so they bring the expectations down. The educational system needs to be restructured from birth so that all children are given the opportunity to strive and attain based on their own merit. Please look into what Catherine Hershey School and Milton Hershey School in Pa are doing. If only we can get this level of educational opportunities for all children.
This has nothing to do with race even when you go to other Asian countries they strive to work harder and be competitive when it comes to education. Also those exams are no joke they have things in that test that they don't even teach in some of these NYC public middle schools.
In Hong Kong it starts at nursery. When we are playing in the west they are already doing maths etc. Their schoolbags are heavier than the child... Not saying that is ideal but that is the level of competition.
It has to do with culture & money - in those countries they push their kids so hard because if you don't make it to the top-ranks early-on, your opportunities are severely limited. I don't think that's a model we should be emulating in the States.
@@mandisaw I am not saying that we should heck of course there needs to be a balance to it but I mean this report states that its because of race there are not enough black kids in top level high schools and that is not the case.
@@joeherrera8826 There used to be more of a racial mix in the 70s-90s, even with the test and all other factors being equal. You had kids from all over the City, all different economic & cultural backgrounds - that was part of the program's strength! Now it's not just very homogeneous culturally, only a small handful of neighborhoods/middle schools are represented at all.
Why do people think that they should be able to use their skin color to get what they want??? Hard work Gets You Where You Want To Go. Not Your Skin Color. End Of Story
Bias towards what? Merit? Stop complaining about the system and start grinding!
Stop blaming race over voluntary incompetence. Asians like Indians and Chinese have been bullied, victims of prejudice and stereotyped for years but they still excel in education, work and many careers!!
It's just an American stereotype. I told an Indian woman who lives in India that school in India must be tough because Indians are so smart. She couldn't understand, so I told her that in America, we view Indians as smart and she thought that was the dumbest thing she's ever heard. She said there are plenty of dumb Indians in India and that if I wanted to meet them, I can come visit to see for myself.
im about to graduate college, i remember when i was younger many teachers used to call me bright as i always paid attention in class and got A's in most of not all my classes, math being my most impressive performance. Everyone in my eight grade class was encouraged to take the test that will get you into these prestigious NYC high schools. I took the bus to get to the testing site 30 minutes early, i waited and waited until the test prompter told us to start. I felt so defeated, to know how smart of a kid i was yet i barely knew any of the information I was being tested on. Months went by and out of the 100 kids in my high school only one was accepted into one of these high schools. It wasn't about whether you worked hard or not, it wasn't about if you paid attention in school and did well in your classes. It was about how much your parents could afford the classes that will teach you the information that you will be tested on, if they even knew that there was such a thing. These are children, most of them want to make their parents proud and to be proud of themselves, their race doesn't change that, just the accessibility.
maybe back then the accessibility to materials to study for the shsat was limited, but in this day and age, you can get many free resources from the internet. accessibility isnt really an issue now as the use of the internet increases.
Let the best person win admission and let not make colleges responsible for social changes instead of the government. Many Asian students also don’t get in.
If you lower the education standards of a college everyone lose.
I teach in a high end magnet high school like the ones discussed here but in a different state. Similarly students have an aptitude test to determine who gets in. In our state we have so many slots allocated to teach school district. This means we get kids from the rougher feeder schools and kids from the higher end districts.
My kids from a rough district did not have a math teacher for 7th or 8th grade. That being said they were practically in tears to meet me and realize they have a real life honest to god teacher. They are also my hardest working students because they don't want to go back to their home division.
The right solution is to use the test but take the top students from each school allocated by slots. Slots should be proportional to school population. This way you take the top % of students proportionally equal from all feeder schools. It's a good system.
The problem with this is, there is systemic racism in our society. When all education from pre-school to 8th grade is equal everywhere, then a standard test is appropriate. Until then, as this lady is doing, we need programs to let those who are exceptional learn how to compete for these high schools.
Culture wise, Asians are in alignment with obedience. White supremacy will not ally with a race of people that will over run or take over. Us ( black) as a people preparation means focusing more on emotional intelligence
Anger blows out the lamp of the mind, keep us angry. They know that.
Power plays. Crabs in a bucket is what the strategy is. Culture wise, classism is promoted in Asian society.
Each race dominates a very specific category. Why would white supremacy favor intelligence and strong will? We can entertain, but that's it. Yes there are successful black doctors, lawyers etcetera. Which ones will ever see the money the artist or athletes have?
However, these type programs we get into with no problem. It's called steering 😊
Melanated , specifically blacks have been waiting for the opportunity to dismantle supremacy. Give us elite education for what?
Asians are not favored, they are more compliant. Test are not a good metric.
Factor in red lining, blacks are distracted. Study when? Between your first or second job because on average, your parents are too busy working to keep struggling.
We are feared, and have been conditioned to internalize the fear. Caucasion take overs allow room for others to benefit them.
Our race will always be given inferior processes to navigate. That is why we have to make our own way.
I love to hear a good excuse.
We actually used to have free prep programs for high-performing students for the Standardized HS test, as well as the SAT & ACT. But the funding got cut, and we immediately saw a massive decline in students from low-income families. The moniker of "Asian" students masks the class- and color-disparities within the immigrant population. An 8th grader from Shanghai who just showed up with a fat wallet and the benefit of 8+ yrs of foreign or private education is going to be much more advantaged than one from the Phillipines who spent grades 4-8 in underfunded US public schools.
Systematic victimhood. When I walk into a Chinese restaurant n see a kid reading a sat prep book, then run behind the register n give me proper change, that is hard work n diligence.
We must constantly remind people of racism. That way there is no racism.
Keep playing the race card and see where it gets you.
The disparity isn’t in the racial makeup of these schools even though that’s what it appears to be. These Asian students worked hard and deserve to be at these elite schools but there should be ROOM for every student that wants to participate. The disparity is in the fact that not all public schools offer the same level of educational opportunities. The real goal should be to have elite programs available at ALL public schools so that any student who wants to participate can. ALL students deserve to have the same quality of education. Not all students may want to participate but it should be available for any student that wants to participate. Schools should invest in tutoring for students who have the drive but just need a little help with mastering self learning skills. Elite programs shouldn’t be just for STEM programs, we need elite programs in the arts, literature, history, philosophy, entrepreneurship, etc. to make society more balanced. This will offer students who may not particularly want to be elite in math, other options to participate at an elite level. It seems that the focus is on math and English only which actually seems quite limiting. I’m not an education expert but shouldn’t Math and English skills be considered base level at elite schools? All students who are to be considered should meet standards which would obviously be high, but once these standards are met, shouldn’t other factors be considered as well? Problem solving skills, creativity, imagination and ingenuity, etc.?
I think that is why they test for Math and English. They expect students to perform above average in those and will not need help in the basics so they will concentrate on advanced STEM subjects.
nonnonononono. its not only math and ela the students are being tested on. its focus. thats why theres a time limit and its not unlimited like the state test. the material on the shsat are all gone over in 7th grade to early 8th grade ( functions and equations etc) the wording is complex and the thing that throws students off is the lack of being able to think critically or being emotionally detached and unbiased. ( on the ela! ) many people still get into specialized highschools without prep aswell!!
If you can’t make the grades you don’t deserve to be enrolled
This is easy. He just said it in the video. STUDENTS WHO SCORE THE HIGHEST, GET ADMITTED. Blacks just want it all to be about them. Makes me sick.
That black girl can be proud because if anyone dares accuse of her being a beneficiary of diversity or affirmative action she can tell them she got into an elite NY high schoo.
So should the Hispanic one
Has anyone been around a super gifted child? They make everyone appear super ordinary...focus on that not race
Which is why I support school vouchers, so parents can shop for the best education for their child. If you want your child to get in a better school with higher academic standards, then I suggest tutoring or sending your kid to cram school.
Better schools are easy to do for a family with financial resources. School vouchers also great for families with financial resources.
What is best is a quality public system that can put a financially struggling family onto a path to higher education and better financial futures.
@richardbruneau381 nah, this is completely wrong. Do you know how much funding low income NYC schools get for private tutoring? I remember from K-12 my parents were always approached by school representatives about utilizing these programs. At that point its up the the culture of the family to use those resources. Don't blame the hard working families who want better for their kids just to meet a certain demographic percentage.
@@Thomas-py9gl I do not know how much funding a low income family can receive, so fill in the details. Also, details on whether the free tutor budget is fully expended. Also, with a voucher to take your kid to a private school, how much money is still required?
@@rb239rtrAs I understand it, you're using the tax money allocated to your child for education to pay for charter school tuition. I'm going to guess that there will still be a difference to make up.
I know someone who went to a charter school for a semester. It was very very rigorous, and they got worked into the ground despite being very studious.
Here is the thing.... low quality schools show up in urban areas that have the same if not worse results....
study harder
Build a school that has the same advantages for more people. Keep duplicating that school
Make education across the city standard. Have help for those who are who want to apply. Then test.
I think it would be more fair. And more children would do well all across the board this way.
There are 9 of them. If they build more they will doctor the admissions process to be more diverse but less meritocratic and it won't rank as high.
the issue is staffing. I taught in a rough HS and lemme tell you something. I had 2 workman's comp claims from gang violence in one year. We lost 25% of our faculty per year. Good luck making that school have the same advantages as a nice suburban school.
That obviously wouldn't work. There's no logic in what you're saying. With the limited amount of resources, you can't keep duplicating things without diluting them.
The problem is that's now how it works, due to teachers unions the bad teachers stay. For there to be the best schools it requires the teachers be good, and have good school staff.
I went to a high school and university where the majority was Asian. The standards were real high. However, when I joined the workforce, it was no longer Asian. I noticed a change in culture and work ethic and I enjoyed the laid back nature more.
As an Asian myself, i agree.
The workaholic is unsustainable. Especially if you live in East-Asia, the culture is crazy and too competitive.
Work-life balance is the key to a healthy living.
This is why Western countries attract more immigrants and very diverse.
Imagine that, they want to make sure students are on the same level as intellectuals so all students can thrive equally.
We wouldn't have got to the Moon without a black woman doing the math
She and her peers were gifted individuals who applied themselves to the task at hand. She certainly didn’t get a handout because of her ancestry; it was hard work and discipline that got her to NASA.
And she would have made it to these schools because her race is not a question on the exam. Only being human is required. All humans in these schools are the same. Nerds come in every shape and color.
She didn’t get a handout or an exception because of her race, that’s why. She was gifted, driven, and worked hard in school and at NASA to earn her place in one of the most historical events in the world.
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Why didn’t u reply to the three replies before me? Is it because u know that what they said makes sense and is right?
It’s down to IQ…
Interesting euphamism for segregation.
A civilization is as smart as the waste of its engines.
You solve it by democrats not being racist 🤷♂️ ny is a democrat stronghold.
Democrats have internalized racism, so they interpret anything as racism.
Can’t believe that there are people questioning that.
You get out what you put in regardless of racial make up. Schools have all sorts of problems wherever you go.
that’s dismissing the racial disparities that exist in schooling.
if you identify yourself as "Black and Latino" then your not learning
That just shows your ignorance. Go travel to the Caribbean and you will see plenty of "Black and Latino". Black is a race and Latino is an ethnicity. Latino is not a race.
Preach. I am not high spanic or lacleanex. American is good enough. The dark color of my skin doesn't define me completely.
@@joeriveracomedy What does define you is your English and Grammar.
@@l.h.tnguyen4916no doubt. I give myself a 9/10 on the mic. I improv a lot and have to talk down to a crowd sometimes.
@@joeriveracomedy I joke. I was just saying to use spell check on your first comment. I could not understand your typiing.
Offer it to the kids that do the best on the test seems like a great idea. I’m white im not mad there is way more Asians that got in than whites. Congratulations Asian on having a good family culture that promotes education excellence in your homes. White people of New York why don’t you strive harder to educate your kids so they can perform better on this test so your kids get the opportunity to go to this school.
Interesting news interview coverage.
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Easy solution: all schools should be great!
Parents and students need to be more dedicated to prioritizing education at home and in school if they want to get into these schools. It's not race that sets you back, it's the values and expectations held personally, at home and in a community that either push you forward or hold you back. Instead of whining that it's not fair, and blaming society, step it up at home and in communities to have personal accountability, academic expectations and priorities. Your failures are your own, as well as your achievements, and instilling/acknowledging that is a huge step towards that.
So asian students are now outperforming yt students? Wow I wonder how yt ppl feel about this? 🤔
More work on math than rap songs.
We can say a lot about your kind that just shows how small minded you are.
People, please stop finding excuses. Yes, I agree a lot of good teachers may not volunteer to work in DANGEROUS neighborhoods. Have you thought of why? Please listen carefully, I said dangerous not poor. Poor neighborhoods don't have to be dangerous. People who live there make the neighborhood dangerous. For the people who think this is not fair, have you asked yourself how much time an average kid in these neighborhoods spent on learning and studying? Do they spend more time in the library (which is a free resource) or hanging out on the street? I kept telling others, everyone was born as a blank piece of paper. Knowledge does not magically generate in your head, no matter how smart you are. People come up with new ideas, thoughts and theses but all based on knowledge they have learned and evolved. Knowledge is like building blocks, you need to spend time learning and understanding them, more importantly keeping them. Good teacher or not as good teacher, they only introduce you to the knowledge. A good teacher may be more patient and may have multiple ways to teach and help different students. However, the students are the ones who ultimately take the knowledge, understand and use it. No teacher can open someone's head and put knowledge inside. No matter how good the teacher is. A smart student is great but honestly not as good as a hard working student in my opinion. If a smart student refuses to learn, how much do you think he/she knows? Can you still consider a smart student smart without any knowledge? Instead of blaming the system, first ask yourself how much work you have put in compared to others. Don't forget there is a lot of knowledge waiting for you to learn in the library. They are FREE. You only have to put in time. Don't tell me you don't have time, you have to work. I feel you but you can still read during your commute. That's free time. You may not jump from a 0 (grades based on a 100) to a 100 instantly but if you don't do anything, a 0 is always going to be a 0. For those who may be curious where I came from, I was once ranked the last in the whole grade with 400+ students. I worked my way up. I built my knowledge castle one brick at a time. You all can do it.
Personal responsibility? What a concept!
I don't expect everyone to agree (that's too idealistic and quite impossible) but that's what I believe and it did impact my life. Honestly, it was not easy but definitely doable. I just hope my words can help lighten someone up and give them the push/motivation in their life toward success. Instead of wasting time blaming on others, ask yourself what else can be done with all available resource (trust me, there are plenty out there). I personally took many free courses online to enrich my knowledge. All you need is a computer / a phone and internet access. I heard there are non-profit organization providing mentor/guidance to low income public school students, guiding the kids all the way through college. Please look them up. They are free but you need to show commitment (time commitment). My understanding is they want to help kids that want to be helped, have them hang and learn from the right group of people walking through the right path. They claim to help many first generation college graduates in their families. ❤Honestly, I really admire their work to make the society better.
there will never be a perfect solution, the fair thing to do would be for these schools to offer free prep classes starting 6 months to a year before the exam which would give all children who were interested the prep needed for the tests without bias or money constraints.
Yeah and it doesn’t have to be super expensive for the school to shell out. Maybe just provide a textbook and a training video.
Never realized how skewed the demographics are. It’s very sad.
Yeah. Very sad how the city is trying to make it easier for non Asians and whites to make it into a specialized high school simply because they are that race and how their race’s culture doesn’t put a huge emphasis on education. In that sense, we should strive to have more Asians in the NBA no?
Are we not going to mention the fact, that at 1:01 there is 51 unknown raced kids. Is that to say that they did have aliens in the school 11 months ago? IS THIS A NEW ERA!!?!?!
one single test lets you KNOW ,if you are competent or NOT !!!! as simple as that..
One test score to determine whether or not you're accepted, what else SHOULD be a factor. Teaching these kids that they're going to an elite school and they have a barrier in doing so is a barrier in itself. These kids have an opportunity unlike any other and they should be prepared as such.
Where you come from... if you come from a rough school without a math teacher your score will be lower but it doesn't make you any less capable.
I teach in an elite school in annother state and we divy slots by school and the highest scores in each school get in.
The kid who didn't have a math teacher had an a in my algebra 2 class. That kid works their tail off because they a great full for the opportunity they were given to get out of the school district they came from.
Hey! As an Asian-American trying to go to these high schools, I legit don’t have any resources to study except for the opportunities given to me by the city. And, well, I’m in the same boat as them. I’m probably never gonna get into one because I need extra help, even though I know me and many other people could perform as well, even better than people that did get into those schools via the test if we had a chance. So… the system should definitely be reformed. There are many other prestigious schools that you can enter though that also don’t require the SHSAT, so keep an eye out!
Imagine making up 2/3 of the population, but only 10% are intelligent. Then you cry about, just dont go to the school. All of this pathetic crying.
So that Asian guy is extremely arrogant about Asian cultures, implying that the rest of us do not value education as much and therefore, should not get the same opportunities as them. He is looking out for his people and it is blatantly obvious. He comes off as condescending and elitist. It should be more than one test. A combination of factors need to be considered. And the K-8th education needs to prepare all students for this opportunity.
New York needs to be a crater
स्कूलों मे सीटें सीमित है ओर प्रवेश लेने वाले असीमित इसलिए प्रवेश परीक्षा लेनी ही चाहिए जो छात्र उत्सुक है वह निश्चय ही तैयारी करेंगे ओर सफल होंगे
It's not a subject-test based on the curriculum, it's modeled on the SAT, and tests very specific skills. You absolutely have to practice, and you really can't go in cold, even if you're a strong student.
We've known for decades that test-prep is important - that's why Kaplan, Princeton Review, Khan Academy, etc make so much money. The fact that some kids get years of prep, and school support, while others do not, is inherently discriminatory.
Either we have to make free test-prep universally accessible, from 5th/6th grade, at least, or they need to go back to a holistic application - what the Specialized Schools did for decades before the test started in the 70s.
We did not prepare specifically for the SAT and ACT tests in the 1970s. We did take a Psat junior year to see if we were on track. Back then the testing was supposed to reflect what we had been learning for 12 years. I don't think increased test preparation is the answer. So many schools focus on test prep and the teachers are not allowed to just teach and we need to fix that.
Hey if you can pass that test with a great school, Makes sense to get into the good school.
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In Front of NYC Racial Disparity
Objective testing is highly subjective.
But black students excel in certain sports and rap music. It's all about effort and passion.
Then lets build better school!
This is just like the hiring process for the Long Island railroad.
We are forced to work around unskilled unqualified and unsafe individuals who don't know the craft but still possess it through a bogus hiring process. Hire to fill a quota and 7 year progression to top pay in skilled crafts is bringing the moral and work quality to the ground.
Less twerking more studying.
Because my iq is so high they purposely failed me so that I won't graduate
What information is there on the feeder schools? Which schools do the candidates come from and what differences are there in those schools? If all feeder schools are equal, then it the difference is the preparation and non school factors. If feeder schools are unequal in quality, then that is a place to start change.
There is a free dreamers program to prepare people for the tests. I think the council knowing that they failed too many times to reform test admission is now working on doing something with the feeder schools.
The difference is the students enrolled
It's obviously an Asian controlled school, cool, no problem. Black people need to practice groupism no different than Asians or Jews and build your own school. Integration was never a good thing. You're supposed to want to be with your own people.
How many white hoods do you wash a week? My wife is white. I'm proud we're not ignorant back country people trying to other people what is good for them.
Exactly we need our own schools & separation
@@chellelechellethat would be awesome 👏
It's not about preparing for exams, its about whose parents can donate the most money to the facility.
school is a business, point blank.
if you're not rich or If your parents cant bribe admissions with generous donations/ scholarships then your best bet for getting into these schools would be the entrance exams.
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@@taracushingberry1 can I help you?
Way off! But nice try.
@@JessicaMachiavelliclown 🤡 statement
@@marohan want me to cite my sources?
The crime offset and pay for police. But how to stop crime?
Complain and blame
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Its about if you have the intellecte and the background knowledge to be excepted. If you ate qualified you are able to get into these schools if not you cant get in to them.. by going by test marks is tge fairest way to determine thats. Text scores results dont care if you are black white asian or Hispanic. Either you make the grade or you dont. The test results tell you that
We need private schools staffed with committed, effective staff for Black and LatinX children. The staff will need massive support. It will be challenging to overcome the obstacles created by popular culture and poverty, but it can be done. It will require a massive and unrelenting political and economic battle with very powerful interests. Low expectations are killing our children. Tests , and all of their trappings, are almost always biased, especially with preparatory disparities. But we will have to somehow convince parents and politicians that this is of paramount importance. Do not be drawn into an ill advised conflict with Asians. There is nothing to be gained by succumbing to the old “divide-and-conquer” strategy. Many won’t understand and will insist that they are looking out for their own, as if they were somehow a separate entity. Fighting over crumbs thrown on the floor. We can create institutions that will nurture and inspire our children to achieve. Let’s do that.
School education in USA is really poor. Elementary to middle not much at all by High school kids are not prepared for what’s to come. Because of which many drop out and go for vocational courses. If someone wants to pass these tests they need to bring this awareness much early to students and parents. Have a way to prepare and then attend. You just can’t fight these tests. If it was not for these difficult test they wouldn’t be elite and students would not be selected accordingly. Not everyone is great and this should be accepted. Consolation prize concept should be removed.
It doesn't matter how poor the education system is when all knowledge is publicly available for free. If you aren't helping your kids learn you are a bad parent.
obnoxious.
I'm ok with the test. But also passing the skills test for using chopsticks, now that is going too far!!
Close the schools
Leave the test. All other proposed alternatives from what was said here are all bias. This is victim mentality. And test prep is online and free if you search for it. Where there is a will there is a way. I am now a Black Engineer a product of public school education. I had a teacher from my middle school take what became the top graduates of the school and prepped us for the SHSAT free of charge during his summer. And may resource including free videos are available now a days
GET SMARTER
People need to stop complaining and shut up.
Prepare for the test and take it period.
People come from different back grounds ok and.....just take the test and find out about it.
For example - spies or actors they may not be from wealthy families or experienced some of those things but they shore know how to learn in a fast paced environment.
Just study / Prepare and thats it....if a kid can pass the entrance exam to get in the school then they should be let in.
Also that black kid that passed to get in that high end high school should not be concerned with relating to any one their; the grades and high GPA should be the only thing they should be focused because everyone els their is their competition.
Black girls and boys that go to that high school focus on only achieving high academically so when the requiters from the big college s come around they will see your grades.
Now if a black kid scores high on the exam and ther turned away from the school thats when we have a problem. Now the question should be raised why aren't you letting me in.
Black boys and girls remember what I said...focus on your grades and no one els because everyone els is your Competition.
All take Change it or be quiet
NYC is mostly poc.
New York City? No. Lenapehoking? Yes.
A lot of Asians . Allowed but only a few Mexicans mmm okay 🤔
JESUS ASIAN OUTNUMBER EVERYONE ELSE!
Asians typically are 1/3 of applicants and get a little over half the offers.
Crazy how they do it in japan too from what ive seen b4
Some Japanese colleges have shown sexism by capping how many women get in.
Think its great shows they dont have time for,..
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High scores in test proves that the student has scored well on a test. Says nothing about their ability to think critically, can formulate ideas, are creative or can work well with others. Of course the person who succeeded on the basis of testing will champion it.
Racial disparities , and income disparities . Keep only privileged, manipulation of education.
A large portion of the asians qualify for public programs. The rich people just go to private schools. Some black and latinos are actually given scholarships to private schools to make them look more diverse.
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