Hey Justin, can you test out how the USB C ports work for USB C devices that don't use power delivery? Typically, those devices won't charge with a C to C cable, and you'd need a USB A to USB C cable to get them to charge.
That's technically not a PD thing. Devices that only charge via A->C cables are missing a $0.001 resistor in the USB-C connector. Sometimes you can add the missing resistor yourself if you have the requisite soldering skills. For a lot of cheap USB-C gadgets, there's usually enough room to make it work. Thankfully my nu25 works with C-C cables. I have to assume the nu20 does as well.
I like the idea of a rechargeable headlamp for convenience, weight savings, and simplicity. However, the fact that the battery is built in also means that the end of the battery life is the end of the product life.
That NU20 Classic is definitely an improvement. I ended up buying the old NU25 even though the new one was out, they totally dropped the ball on that one imo. I'm still waiting on Nitecore power banks. Anker has the reputation for reliability that I need, and I use my packs for more than just backpacking.
I’m with you on the power banks. I’ve seen too many complaints about reliability from the nightcore ones. Anker packs are heavier but reliability is awesome
Justin , did i hear you mention the Petrel Pot paired with the Green Peak Stove ???? I use the Petrel with the Soto windmaster and its the best stove set up i have ever used when you factor in weight/cost/efficiency and volume. For years i swore by the MSR Windburner and the Reactor but since i have converted to being An Ultra Light Weirdo i have sold them on eBAY.....I need to check out this Green Peak stove now 🤔
The 10k and 6k battery banks have almost exactly the same grams per gigawatt ratio. So choose based on needed capacity or preferred shape. Weight to power ratio isn’t significantly different.
Thanks, I was thinking they were equivalent per watt/hour, you saved me another 30 seconds of calculating. EDIT: Or is that mAh? Whatever the equivalent, haha.
It makes sense that the power capacity to weight ratio would be the same, since the type and chemistry of the battery and the materials of the shell for the battery are the exact same.
Looks like the NU20 classic is basically a 1st gen NU25 which I loved, but with a USB C port. Cool! I might pick one up since I recently lost my NU25...
nope, it has cold temperature flood light + tir optics on flood light cause a lot of artifacts in light. so the only advantage over first nu25 is type-c port
I have that new 6000mAh power bank. Its pretty cooL but it is inefficient and only has 3700mAh after conversion. Still great but not quite as good as 1st impressions would suggest.
@jonathankobbe6073 Usually, they're around 60% efficient, but they'll barely mention it. It's because of the conversion from 3.7V to 5.0V. Why I like it, though, is because the nb5000, which weighs 108g, has near as dammit the same usable power as this, which only weighs 87g.
I really like the red light button on the nightcore, but my Wuben X3 headlamp has all the features and weighs 2.6oz. The display screen, glow in the dark function, wireless charging need be, 700 lumens, 1 lumen red/white mode...I'm obsessed. It is pricey at $86 but the functionality is insane.
My wife keeps picking on me for saying "aboot" and "oot" more than usual lately. Frankly I've kinda noticed it as well. I'm a native Michigander so I already naturally have a bit of a northern accent but I thiiiink watching your content is nudging my accent further north. I'm ok with it. Anyway, soory to get off topic. Keep up the great work!
Please make review on Rock Front's All Season sleeping system, which consists of down sleeping bag and down quilt, which can be used separately and also together, thus covering temp ranges from +10 to -15.
I really agree that ventilation is way better than breathability... Been saying that for years. You get a cheap waterproof jacket with really good ventilation and there's no need for these expensive "breathable" jackets 😄
Never quite understood the dedication to the Hubba series tents either. Owned a old HP model and used others. They were meh. Just ok. Never bad but never great. The Nitecore batteries look great though
I still have mixed feelings on my new NU20. Used it for a bunch of night hiking and I find the beam a little narrow. The high mode, which I hardly use, dims to medium in a minute or so. So, it behaves like a two level lamp with two turbo modes. Battery life is much shorter than my old NU25 too. I like the form factor, USB-C, and the indicators. For most of my hiking it’s just fine. Great vid!
I have the older Nitecore power bank and headlamp and they have always performed well. Since I don’t create content I can easily hike for five days and have plenty of power.
Hello Justin... I share the same opinion as yours regarding rain jackets. So, I am interested in this Rock Front Rain Hoody, but is 5000mm going to be enough for some downpour ?
Sil nylon 🤔 I’m running out to buy… u mmm…no I’m not. Sooooo many good options out there. And from the looks? The fly is way too high above the ground and too close to the walls at the bottom. MSR isn’t doing any research or has a design team that is just wanting to put out something new. And that’s too bad.
How long does the 20k powerbank take to charge up from 0%->100% with an 60W wall charger? I mean the powerbank can handle 18W input. For outdoor a fast charging time of the powerbank is important because you charge it mostly in cafes and restaurants.
I've been using the Nightcore Thumb all summer for backpacking and rural living at night. It's perfect if you're a hat wearing type of person, as it's a hat clip on light. Rechargeable, 3 power modes, with 20 hour+ runtime on low. Low is what I use most, because it's 2 lumen, so not high enough to attract bugs, but plenty for visibility and long runtime.
Looks to be very similar, but some of the internals other than USB-C seem to be different. While the onld NU25 and NU20 Classic have the same lumens, the beam intensity is about double on the classic (so 108 vs 81 beam distance). The battery on the NU25 is bigger, which explains the longer battery life (160hrs vs 97hrs in 1 lumen white light mode). Better battery level indicator on the NU20 classic too.
I have the later NU25. Used it last night on the trail. My NU25 does have USB-C. The new one has a different case, lenses. A major difference and one that makes me want to upgrade are the functions of the buttons.
A bit sad that the new NU20 has a ~20% smaller battery compared to the old NU25 360. And despite nitecore claims, it does seem that the run times are shorter. Also the beam is narrower.
I have LOVED the MSR Hubba series. I bought my first 1P about 20 years ago and it still remains a good tent to this day. I also have the 2021 1P version, and with its updated material, it has never sagged when wet unlike my BA Copper Spur (which I also love, but it sags bad when wet). It’s good to see that the 2P (which I also own) is starting to adopt a few more of the features/style I’ve been loving in the 1P version.
That NU20 Classic is interesting, might be the solution I'm looking for. Does the light operate while charging from a power bank for extended night hiking? I'm thinking the HubbaHubba might use Sil-Nylon to avoid the weight penalty of Sil-Poly, there's so much competition in tent weight these days that the performance tradeoff might be worth it since few people actually go out in the rain (unless they live in the PNW like us crazy folks). It's good to see Cascade Designs leveraging their brands so that their 2P tents can handle two of their sleeping pads, reducing friction on purchasing a new, wider pad by having a tent that can hold it all. I'm looking to possibly giving that rain hoody a test; it's similar to the OR jacket with the long pit zips that essentially create a sleeved poncho, but it is completely waterproof, which I prefer because I can layer under it to manage wetness and warmth.
Love that idea for a pot shape, just would like to see a stripped down UL version. That Rain Hoodie...wow, why hasn't this been done before - def gon look into that one.
I did ;P. Good catch. They are coming out with a comfort-focused pad that is 26in wide. I got some info recently that S2S is coming out with some new backpacking pads too.
Was going to buy the NU20 until I saw it is made in China. I haven't looked at the remaining items yet but how many items in this field is still made in China ?
I am excited to check out the new Hubba Hubba LT and the new Nemo Dagger as both will have new versions next year and I am in the market for a 3P or bigger backpacking tent.
Great headlamp, but the fixed brightness on the red LED is way too high. The NU20 Classic has adjustable brightness on the red down to 1 lumen. That’s a lot easier on the eyes and seems worth the 40 lumen hit on the white/primary LED.
I bought it this week. Used it for two nights already in 10°C. Definitely warm enough for this. Holds air. It's comfortable enough for me. You don't notice the foil noice when you are sleeping on it. Seems good quality for the price. In germany it's 63€ on amazon and there ist nothing comparable at this pricepoint. But the length and width isn't exactly correct. It's 62cm x 184cm instead of 64 x 187
Why all the hate on the NU 25? I love it! I’m not sure what else you would want it to do. Yes, you have to learn how to use it. I’m with you on the head strap cord though. It sucks!
You’d definitely need something brighter when hiking in the dark in grizz country… sure maybe fine around camp, but more advantageous to have a more powerful light in the bush especially with an emergency. Even where you’re at around K-country I wouldn’t venture out with something so dinky if solo.
Bought the NU20classic at the end of 2022. Best headlamp ever. I also put the rubber bands on it. I am extremely enthusiastic. Lightweight, long runtime, usb rechargeable, all the functions I need - simply extremely good. Greetings from Germany.
👇 GEAR FROM THE VIDEO 👇
NU20 Classic: geni.us/NU20Classic
NB10000 v3: geni.us/NB10000v3
Carbon 6k: geni.us/Carbon6k
Rain Hoody: geni.us/RF-RainHoody
MSR Switch: Spring 2025
Hubba Hubba LT: geni.us/HubbaHubbaLT
Hey Justin, can you test out how the USB C ports work for USB C devices that don't use power delivery? Typically, those devices won't charge with a C to C cable, and you'd need a USB A to USB C cable to get them to charge.
It charges with usbc to usb c - that’s how I charge mine
That's technically not a PD thing. Devices that only charge via A->C cables are missing a $0.001 resistor in the USB-C connector. Sometimes you can add the missing resistor yourself if you have the requisite soldering skills. For a lot of cheap USB-C gadgets, there's usually enough room to make it work.
Thankfully my nu25 works with C-C cables. I have to assume the nu20 does as well.
Ultra low light mode, usb c, and red light are the must haves for sure. Hate when the low on a light still blinds you in the middle of the night.
Not thrilled with the MSR stove .... heavy and way over priced.
I like the idea of a rechargeable headlamp for convenience, weight savings, and simplicity. However, the fact that the battery is built in also means that the end of the battery life is the end of the product life.
It's also 25 dollars.....
That NU20 Classic is definitely an improvement. I ended up buying the old NU25 even though the new one was out, they totally dropped the ball on that one imo.
I'm still waiting on Nitecore power banks. Anker has the reputation for reliability that I need, and I use my packs for more than just backpacking.
I’m with you on the power banks. I’ve seen too many complaints about reliability from the nightcore ones. Anker packs are heavier but reliability is awesome
100% the Anker Nano 30 watt bank with lcd is fantastic.
A 10k from Anker is so much cheaper and only a few grams heavier. Really having a hard time to justify a nitecore battery.
Justin , did i hear you mention the Petrel Pot paired with the Green Peak Stove ???? I use the Petrel with the Soto windmaster and its the best stove set up i have ever used when you factor in weight/cost/efficiency and volume. For years i swore by the MSR Windburner and the Reactor but since i have converted to being An Ultra Light Weirdo i have sold them on eBAY.....I need to check out this Green Peak stove now 🤔
I got the petrel. To use with the snow peak litemax i've had since 2016 and it's bad ass. I've used it In 28 mph winds
@@joewinfree9814 Cheers i will check it out
The 10k and 6k battery banks have almost exactly the same grams per gigawatt ratio. So choose based on needed capacity or preferred shape. Weight to power ratio isn’t significantly different.
Thanks, I was thinking they were equivalent per watt/hour, you saved me another 30 seconds of calculating. EDIT: Or is that mAh? Whatever the equivalent, haha.
It makes sense that the power capacity to weight ratio would be the same, since the type and chemistry of the battery and the materials of the shell for the battery are the exact same.
Looks like the NU20 classic is basically a 1st gen NU25 which I loved, but with a USB C port. Cool! I might pick one up since I recently lost my NU25...
nope, it has cold temperature flood light + tir optics on flood light cause a lot of artifacts in light. so the only advantage over first nu25 is type-c port
I have that new 6000mAh power bank. Its pretty cooL but it is inefficient and only has 3700mAh after conversion. Still great but not quite as good as 1st impressions would suggest.
isnt that really bad?
@jonathankobbe6073 Usually, they're around 60% efficient, but they'll barely mention it. It's because of the conversion from 3.7V to 5.0V.
Why I like it, though, is because the nb5000, which weighs 108g, has near as dammit the same usable power as this, which only weighs 87g.
@@rbreiff73 Okay thank you. I thought that was just for cheaper powerbanks, i thought i saw that the nb10000 had like 90% efficiency, i guess not then
@@jonathankobbe6073 That's rated at 6700mAh. Pretty par for the course.
It also doesn't appear to do quick charging/PD? I don't see any mention of it in the specs on the Nitecore website, and the output seems pretty low.
I really like the red light button on the nightcore, but my Wuben X3 headlamp has all the features and weighs 2.6oz. The display screen, glow in the dark function, wireless charging need be, 700 lumens, 1 lumen red/white mode...I'm obsessed. It is pricey at $86 but the functionality is insane.
My wife keeps picking on me for saying "aboot" and "oot" more than usual lately. Frankly I've kinda noticed it as well. I'm a native Michigander so I already naturally have a bit of a northern accent but I thiiiink watching your content is nudging my accent further north.
I'm ok with it.
Anyway, soory to get off topic. Keep up the great work!
I hopeful that the raincoat is everything that I've been looking for
red light dosent attract flying insects
Please make review on Rock Front's All Season sleeping system, which consists of down sleeping bag and down quilt, which can be used separately and also together, thus covering temp ranges from +10 to -15.
I really agree that ventilation is way better than breathability... Been saying that for years. You get a cheap waterproof jacket with really good ventilation and there's no need for these expensive "breathable" jackets 😄
Never quite understood the dedication to the Hubba series tents either. Owned a old HP model and used others. They were meh. Just ok. Never bad but never great. The Nitecore batteries look great though
I still have mixed feelings on my new NU20. Used it for a bunch of night hiking and I find the beam a little narrow. The high mode, which I hardly use, dims to medium in a minute or so. So, it behaves like a two level lamp with two turbo modes. Battery life is much shorter than my old NU25 too. I like the form factor, USB-C, and the indicators. For most of my hiking it’s just fine. Great vid!
Jetboil does have an attachment to use other pots with it.
I have the older Nitecore power bank and headlamp and they have always performed well. Since I don’t create content I can easily hike for five days and have plenty of power.
Hello Justin... I share the same opinion as yours regarding rain jackets. So, I am interested in this Rock Front Rain Hoody, but is 5000mm going to be enough for some downpour ?
Sil nylon 🤔 I’m running out to buy… u mmm…no I’m not. Sooooo many good options out there. And from the looks? The fly is way too high above the ground and too close to the walls at the bottom. MSR isn’t doing any research or has a design team that is just wanting to put out something new. And that’s too bad.
How long does the 20k powerbank take to charge up from 0%->100% with an 60W wall charger? I mean the powerbank can handle 18W input. For outdoor a fast charging time of the powerbank is important because you charge it mostly in cafes and restaurants.
I've been using the Nightcore Thumb all summer for backpacking and rural living at night. It's perfect if you're a hat wearing type of person, as it's a hat clip on light. Rechargeable, 3 power modes, with 20 hour+ runtime on low. Low is what I use most, because it's 2 lumen, so not high enough to attract bugs, but plenty for visibility and long runtime.
If it was usb c then would get it. I’m trying to find a clip for the nitecore tiki… which is perfect, just needs a hat clip. I’ll prob just make one
26" thermarest pads? Tell me more good sir
It’s the same as old NU25. Whith ubs-c. Isn’t it?
Looks to be very similar, but some of the internals other than USB-C seem to be different. While the onld NU25 and NU20 Classic have the same lumens, the beam intensity is about double on the classic (so 108 vs 81 beam distance). The battery on the NU25 is bigger, which explains the longer battery life (160hrs vs 97hrs in 1 lumen white light mode). Better battery level indicator on the NU20 classic too.
I have the later NU25. Used it last night on the trail. My NU25 does have USB-C. The new one has a different case, lenses. A major difference and one that makes me want to upgrade are the functions of the buttons.
I think there’s a difference on how low the red light can go too
Slightly different. LED bulb is different and color temperature is not the same. Also slightly less runs time with classic.
What size was the rain hoodie in your video ?
A bit sad that the new NU20 has a ~20% smaller battery compared to the old NU25 360. And despite nitecore claims, it does seem that the run times are shorter. Also the beam is narrower.
Wym, when testing it beats out the NU25 UL because it uses a more efficient light.
@@Dzonssi someone said he measured shorter run times. But run times don't mean much tbh because they're easy to game. Let's wait for the graphics.
@@tt-of4xv Agreed 🤝🏼
the image noise in the video is bad?
I *just* bought the Fenix hm50r headlamp. Not as light as the NU20 but has enough features I'm happy with the extra ounce.
You need you get a tennis hairband like underarmor , its basically a 10mm elastic headstrap with silcone
I have LOVED the MSR Hubba series. I bought my first 1P about 20 years ago and it still remains a good tent to this day. I also have the 2021 1P version, and with its updated material, it has never sagged when wet unlike my BA Copper Spur (which I also love, but it sags bad when wet). It’s good to see that the 2P (which I also own) is starting to adopt a few more of the features/style I’ve been loving in the 1P version.
Do you know if its sil PU or PE or sil/sil? My old hubba hubba has degraded completely.
I know you had headlamp Black Diamond Deploy 325. Are you planning to review/talk about that one or was that a complete fiasco? :)
That NU20 Classic is interesting, might be the solution I'm looking for. Does the light operate while charging from a power bank for extended night hiking? I'm thinking the HubbaHubba might use Sil-Nylon to avoid the weight penalty of Sil-Poly, there's so much competition in tent weight these days that the performance tradeoff might be worth it since few people actually go out in the rain (unless they live in the PNW like us crazy folks). It's good to see Cascade Designs leveraging their brands so that their 2P tents can handle two of their sleeping pads, reducing friction on purchasing a new, wider pad by having a tent that can hold it all. I'm looking to possibly giving that rain hoody a test; it's similar to the OR jacket with the long pit zips that essentially create a sleeved poncho, but it is completely waterproof, which I prefer because I can layer under it to manage wetness and warmth.
Carbon 6k looks interesting. Rated Energy: 3,700mAh 5V
Nitecore fixed exactly what I was getting frustrated with, getting rid of input only ports and usb-a. Yes!!!
Love that idea for a pot shape, just would like to see a stripped down UL version. That Rain Hoodie...wow, why hasn't this been done before - def gon look into that one.
Did you say new Thermarest pads??? 👀
I did ;P. Good catch. They are coming out with a comfort-focused pad that is 26in wide. I got some info recently that S2S is coming out with some new backpacking pads too.
@@JustinOutdoors Oh shoot! You know how much I love a comfortable sleeping pad
Just bought new tent but the color on new hubba looks great
Is the gen3 10k bank lighter than the gen2?
Is this NU20 same as old NU25 but with reduced battery (500mah vs 610mah) and type-C instead of micro-USB?
And different led type. Light is different color.
Was going to buy the NU20 until I saw it is made in China. I haven't looked at the remaining items yet but how many items in this field is still made in China ?
Everything else
I love that the light has a red globe function
I am excited to check out the new Hubba Hubba LT and the new Nemo Dagger as both will have new versions next year and I am in the market for a 3P or bigger backpacking tent.
I should be getting a 3p dagger soon and am excited to try it out!
Talk in ounces, not grams! This is America! 🇺🇸
No. It's not.
Yes
Exactly... SIM
To be fair, he does live in Canada 😂😂
Hi Justin. Is the Hubba Hubba still inner-first only pitch?
It is
I prefer the Nitecore NU25UL, 400 lumens, USBC, the paracord glows in the dark too!
Great headlamp, but the fixed brightness on the red LED is way too high. The NU20 Classic has adjustable brightness on the red down to 1 lumen. That’s a lot easier on the eyes and seems worth the 40 lumen hit on the white/primary LED.
@@stickybeats Great point!
what the name of the model of your orange jacket?
OR Astroman.
USB-C! Yes!
I'm looking forward to your extended testing on that new Hikenture sleeping pad. It sounds like the bees knees.
I bought it this week. Used it for two nights already in 10°C. Definitely warm enough for this. Holds air. It's comfortable enough for me. You don't notice the foil noice when you are sleeping on it. Seems good quality for the price. In germany it's 63€ on amazon and there ist nothing comparable at this pricepoint. But the length and width isn't exactly correct. It's 62cm x 184cm instead of 64 x 187
@@tomschubot Thanks for the info! Cheers!
Why all the hate on the NU 25? I love it! I’m not sure what else you would want it to do. Yes, you have to learn how to use it. I’m with you on the head strap cord though. It sucks!
Weight, lumen levels, switching issues. The new "old" model corrects all these gripes!
No 1 lumen mode.
@@wolfeadventures not a big difference in 1 lumen vs 6 lumen. Still very dull.
@@Colby168actually for those with sensitive eyes it’s quite a difference. 1 lumen is perfect inside the tent.
You’d definitely need something brighter when hiking in the dark in grizz country… sure maybe fine around camp, but more advantageous to have a more powerful light in the bush especially with an emergency. Even where you’re at around K-country I wouldn’t venture out with something so dinky if solo.
Bought the NU20classic at the end of 2022. Best headlamp ever. I also put the rubber bands on it. I am extremely enthusiastic. Lightweight, long runtime, usb rechargeable, all the functions I need - simply extremely good.
Greetings from Germany.