This game does an amazing job at making you hate Klogg's guts by the end of it. Seeing him go from smug and insidious to downright begging for Klaymen to not awaken Hoborg at the end has to be one of the most satisfying moments in gaming
I actually never hated Klogg, even in the middle of the game. I know that he was born being evil and stuff, but to be honest he had no one to show him better. Hoborg just told him to do whatever he wants to and he can get anything he wants but the crown. For example if you would want to tell a kid not to touch something then that kid would for sure do it. You could tell me now that Klaymen also had no one to teach him better, but actually Willy took care of him before planting the life-seed. Also Klaymen was not told to do anything he wants to but had instructions made by Willy. Basically Klaymen had someone who cared about him (for example the letters he got from Willy). Sorry if the grammar is bad but I hope you can make out what I was trying to say there.
What strikes me is that this is only a bad ending for Klogg because - in a way - he decides it's a bad ending. It's implied that Hoborg has no bad feelings for Klogg and given that there aren't any people in the world beyond Klayman, Willie and Bil, it also suggests that he's really doing nothing with the crown's power.
@@douglasbabb1725 What makes it even worse is that in the sequel Skullmonkeys, Klogg is killed by Klaymen, and Klaymen doesn't get a chance to mourn Klogg's death because of evil engine number 9.
Klaymen: Saves an entire planet from his psycophathis brother, sending him into the abyss, then rescues his faher, the ruler of the planet, which leads to his father creating more children Klaymens new brothers: half a cheer for klaymen! Seriously these guys are hard to impress. what is a clay person to do to deserve a full cheer?
As a kid, I was part of a message board-based role playing group that was all Neverhood citizens, it was so amazing. When I was at the peak of my obsession with this game, I also got to tour the game studio and Doug himself showed me around; introduced me to the crew, showed me the sets and puppets they still had intact, even gave me Japanese Neverhood merch. It was truly one of the most epic moments in my young life and now I work in video games myself. Doug has always been so kind and remembered me for years afterwards. While he’s become controversial in recent years, I’ll always be grateful for how much he inspired me and showed me how awesome it was to make art, comics, and games.
@@anglecringe6917 the main thing I remember is this little Klaymen-themed kit of a substance that you would boil and could sculpt like clay in order to make your own hoodian. It smelled really good too! He also gave me a CD copy of the soundtrack to the game.
Hell yeah, dude, what a thing to have lived. Doug's easily one of the most original and inspiring artists in games and TV. These memories are priceless, let alone the Japanese merch.
Man the attention to such fun details like Klayman's yawn fogging up the "camera lens"...what an amazingly unique gem of a game. Loved the music, and the theist lore
Klogg is slightly tragic in a sense. Yes, he was a jerk from the start and from the moment he was made, he wanted to take over everything, so that's bad on him. But to be a creator's first life made and in the end for him to say "I never really understood that guy". That's just... sad.
What makes it even worse is that in the sequel Skullmonkeys, Klogg is killed by Klaymen, and Klaymen doesn't get a chance to mourn Klogg's death because of evil engine number 9.
@@thatoneuberedsoldier4505 He's basically supposed to be like Satan, gaining tempation and evil before betraying his own kind and becoming a demonic being of sin.
If you can ass yourself to read the text on the wall in the Hall of Records - or read it online - you'll learn that even Klogg wasn't the very first being Hoborg created. It was a misshapen, barely alive blob of something that he quickly threw as far away as he could. And that incident just one small part of Hoborg's journey to create what becomes the Neverhood includes: -Traveling alone for _literal decades_ to a mountain of the highest quality Klay -Lying on the ground in the hot sun scraping at the ground for years on end to gather enough dirt to make the misshapen thing -Meeting Willie Trombone and Big Robot Bil - who were created by one of Hoborg's brothers - right after casting the thing out, and using his belt and a chunk of HIS OWN BODY to make a lasso long enough to reach the chunk of land Willie and Bil were on -Traveling with Willie and Bil for even more years before reaching the mountain of Klay, and along the way noticing at the switch that makes Bil act good or act bad, but rightly leaving it alone -Getting chased by a Tickberger - a nasty creature that is made to want what it does not have - and being forced to sacrifice most of the Klay that he, Willie and Bil gathered in order to escape it, leaving him only enough Klay to make a world the size of a neighborhood and about twenty beings. And Hoborg's story is just one of seven parts - one each for Hoborg and his siblings - of a massive narrative that takes heavy inspiration from the Bible, and even reveals the existence of the Skullmonkeys before the game was produced! Also, looking back at this ending, I can see there's elements of the story that are consistent with Hoborg's story: -In the shot where Hoborg reveals all the new beings, I counted nineteen figures, not including Hoborg and Klaymen. So that means Hoborg probably used _all_ of his remaining Klay to make those new friends! -Klogg's appearance in the scene definitely brings a "Tickberger" to mind, and the fact that in the story on the disks, Klogg immediately went for Hoborg's crown in spite of being allowed to enjoy literally EVERYTHING ELSE in the Neverhood - he wanted the one thing he was not allowed to have...just like a Tickberger! Anyway, thanks for listening to/reading my TED Talk.
Jesus christ, this game influences my emotional state so hard. Characters are written unimaginably good and if anything happens to them can make me laugh or sad. The only other game that worked at me like this was first season of the walking dead but it's still not the same.
off all the biblical lore that this game has, the 1 fact that never will leave my brain is that 1 of the gods in this universe created a planet and robots for each of his sons... and the dude forgot to put gravity so all the planet fell apart XD
I never get try of watching this, the neverhood is my all time favorite game to play since it was release out. And Klaymen is truly a hero to the people and the king too
I was addicted to this game when it came with my new PC one year in my early teens. Took entirely way too long to beat. Eventually a cult following arose & message boards caught on to this charming little game & I got some help..lol
Hej ludzie. Twórcy Neverhooda robią kolejną plastelinową przygodówkę. Niestety, brak im nieco funduszy i potrzebują naszego wsparcia. Jeśli im nie pomożemy nie powstanie kolejna legenda na miarę Neverhooda. Wpiszcie w Google: Armikrog Kickstarter. Zostały tylko 3 dni do końca akcji. Zróbmy co w naszej mocy.
I don't know, but I have a feeling that the animation of the ending is of a much lower quality than the rest of the game, especially after returning from the castle, maybe they ran out of money and finished it in a hurry. It looks like it was made by amateurs. And yes, it is very sad to see who Doug TenNapel has turned into
@@sunbea4477 Why did Klaymen have to press a button on the throne to wake the king up? Why did Klogg have a knife when all he needed to do was remove the crown again? Why does the king's crown get taller at 2:40 than previous scenes? Why does the king have to introduce the new creations to Klaymen, when apparently the King was able to imbue them with the knowledge of an entire language? Klaymen will soon realize all his "friends" never had a choice in the matter of being his friend, which goes against the very definition of what a friend is. The King bases his perspective on whether things are good based on the emotions of Klaymen, going so far as to bring back the dead in order to please him, instead of the King having his own standard of morality (bringing back the dead is not moral, people need to have closure, the king is making Klaymen dependent on him, quite morally-questionable at minimum)? Seemingly, the only reason the King can wear the crown is because he doesn't transform into something physically ugly, but that teaches the opposite of what we find in reality, that beauty and ugliness is only skin deep and, that the psychology and mental state of a person is the most important thing when making moral and ethical choices. This game is bad except for it's music and artistry.
@Irritable Down syndrome 1. "In the Hall of Record".. I read a bit of the HoR and the entire Hoborg section after some other TH-cam commenters brought it up. It was written incredibly bad, but after reading it, it made me realize that the story was made for children, as the way it was written is like a children's book. The Hall of Records only brought up more plot-holes. I am not sure what you are trying to argue when you say that the Hall states that Hoborg is benevolent and not manipulative. Actions speak louder than words and by looking at Hoborg's actions we can see that Hoborg is manipulative. Lastly, it is possible to be both manipulative and benevolent at the same time. For example, Hoborg could be trying his best to be benevolent, but he is just so dumb and uneducated that his intentions of doing good actually cause more pain. This is a life-lesson first, and a response to your comment second. 2. "He was ugly therefore mistreated", when did I ever make that argument? 3. "Everyone created as free will", how do you know that? Especially when we talk about these little clay creations who might as well be aliens to us. These aliens who are born fully-grown, with fully developed language. These little guys probably don't have a brain the same way we do, they might even be little robots underneath all the clay. Are we, even as humans, considered to be robots? Eventually robots might become more intelligent than people, would these advanced robots question the free-will of people? Is free will something one has or doesnt have, or is it based on a spectrum? This argument touches upon real-life religion, this free-will argument is still debated throughout the world. But if these things do have free will, it is such a low amount and haphazardly used. --- The story in this game is so bad that it will temporarily take away IQ of anyone involved in it, just like the religious stories that it is based off of.
@Irritable Down syndrome TH-cam is stupid and didn't tell me that you responded. Here is my response: 1. Hoborg is either manipulative or incompetent because: -Hoborg brings back Klaymen's friend from the dead, which is unnatural and denies Klaymen from experiencing the grieving process. -Hoborg creates Klaymen's friends and instead of them getting to know Klaymen for themselves and letting Klaymen experience how to make friends, Hoborg commands all of them to cheer for Klaymen, which of course they will not because they understand Klaymen's actions, but because Hoborg told them to. -When Klogg "dies" Hoborg shrugs it off because he "never understood that guy", this speaks more to Hoborg's incompetence, as history will probably repeat as he doesn't take any blame for making Klogg the way he did. -He is manipulative because he says, "Man, things are good" AFTER he brings back Klaymen's dead friend. This means that Hoborg does not know whether things are good or not by himself, but relies on seeing how his Klaymen is acting. This isn't too bad really, but it proves that Hoborg is just a normal guy who just happens to have the crown, and relies on others to provide the insight he lacks. 2. There seems to be a lot of miscommunication here, and I think it is only getting worse so let's take a step back and instead of arguing about that let me just copy-paste what I wrote before: "Seemingly, the only reason the King can wear the crown is because he doesn't transform into something physically ugly, but that teaches the opposite of what we find in reality, that beauty and ugliness is only skin deep and, that the psychology and mental state of a person is the most important thing when making moral and ethical choices." In other words, the game's message to everyone is that a corrupted person (corrupted=taking the crown if your name is not Hoborg) will turn ugly. This is simply not true, many beautiful people out there are in disguise. But I guess this is a common trope in children's books, where the evil bad guy is ugly. Also Klogg is not a clear villian, Hoborg is not a clear hero, even Klaymen is not a clear good guy until the final decision is made. The game was made to be abstract from beginning to end. 3. Yeah I probably talked too much about freewill. Essentially all I was trying to say was how free will is not 100% and that there is always a level of manipulation in our lives. In regards to the game, the level of control coming from Hoborg is so great that the freewill of these little clay guys can't help but be limited.
![Behind the Scenes - Neverhood and Skullmonkeys [Making of]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/BrR3jbgocI4/mqdefault.jpg)
![Eduard Khil - Trololo Song [HD]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/0q6yphdZhUA/mqdefault.jpg)
Good Ending - "Man, things are good"
Love this game, especially half a cheer
UnitingMilk it would be so funny if klaymen was still sad and asked for girls 😂
@Irritable Down syndrome "It is now time... to goof off!"
Hip-Hip HOO!
"It is now time to goof off!"
Quote of my life
Kloggs last words in this ending
“Son of a-NOOOOOOOO”
This game does an amazing job at making you hate Klogg's guts by the end of it. Seeing him go from smug and insidious to downright begging for Klaymen to not awaken Hoborg at the end has to be one of the most satisfying moments in gaming
I actually never hated Klogg, even in the middle of the game. I know that he was born being evil and stuff, but to be honest he had no one to show him better. Hoborg just told him to do whatever he wants to and he can get anything he wants but the crown. For example if you would want to tell a kid not to touch something then that kid would for sure do it.
You could tell me now that Klaymen also had no one to teach him better, but actually Willy took care of him before planting the life-seed. Also Klaymen was not told to do anything he wants to but had instructions made by Willy. Basically Klaymen had someone who cared about him (for example the letters he got from Willy).
Sorry if the grammar is bad but I hope you can make out what I was trying to say there.
its theological and its accurate
What strikes me is that this is only a bad ending for Klogg because - in a way - he decides it's a bad ending. It's implied that Hoborg has no bad feelings for Klogg and given that there aren't any people in the world beyond Klayman, Willie and Bil, it also suggests that he's really doing nothing with the crown's power.
@@douglasbabb1725 What makes it even worse is that in the sequel Skullmonkeys, Klogg is killed by Klaymen, and Klaymen doesn't get a chance to mourn Klogg's death because of evil engine number 9.
Klaymen: Saves an entire planet from his psycophathis brother, sending him into the abyss, then rescues his faher, the ruler of the planet, which leads to his father creating more children
Klaymens new brothers: half a cheer for klaymen!
Seriously these guys are hard to impress. what is a clay person to do to deserve a full cheer?
Should've prepared sandwiches.
HIP HIP, HOO
I think Hoborg bringing Bil and Willie back to life was the better reward.
Well Klogg kinda sent himself into the abyss, so if Klaymen did it himself that'd probably earn him the second half of the cheer
Should have brought pizza
As a kid, I was part of a message board-based role playing group that was all Neverhood citizens, it was so amazing. When I was at the peak of my obsession with this game, I also got to tour the game studio and Doug himself showed me around; introduced me to the crew, showed me the sets and puppets they still had intact, even gave me Japanese Neverhood merch. It was truly one of the most epic moments in my young life and now I work in video games myself. Doug has always been so kind and remembered me for years afterwards. While he’s become controversial in recent years, I’ll always be grateful for how much he inspired me and showed me how awesome it was to make art, comics, and games.
This is a great story and all but what im curious about the merch what is it? 😮
@@anglecringe6917 the main thing I remember is this little Klaymen-themed kit of a substance that you would boil and could sculpt like clay in order to make your own hoodian. It smelled really good too! He also gave me a CD copy of the soundtrack to the game.
@@ZzLeigh you still have the box for the kit? thats so cool did it have instructions to make your neverhoodian as well
Hell yeah, dude, what a thing to have lived. Doug's easily one of the most original and inspiring artists in games and TV. These memories are priceless, let alone the Japanese merch.
Wow, klaymen has the voice I imagined him to have
Yeah pretty spot on
Literally same, I imagined his voice in my head and it was exactly that
This could of been a great tv show O.O imagine it!
Kain Copper I can imagine it :)
I can imagine a movie right now..
@@chubchub1307 so did Doug Tennaple But it got rejected
@@teddyroo12 It was going to be a movie, and honestly im glad it got scrapped, it looked awful
everyone looked so human, they had noses, and there was a girl version of kaymen for no reason
I remember my dad introducing me this game. Thanks dad. I love this absolute masterpiece!
Word bro. You a 90s baby
I also wish I had know this game a long time ago.
So did mine!!
Same! Was born in 2006 but this was one of my first videogames and still something so special
Man the attention to such fun details like Klayman's yawn fogging up the "camera lens"...what an amazingly unique gem of a game. Loved the music, and the theist lore
Klogg is slightly tragic in a sense. Yes, he was a jerk from the start and from the moment he was made, he wanted to take over everything, so that's bad on him. But to be a creator's first life made and in the end for him to say "I never really understood that guy". That's just... sad.
Ouch man that's a sad way to look at it
I mean in all fairness wtf was klogg's beef tho, bro had no chill
What makes it even worse is that in the sequel Skullmonkeys, Klogg is killed by Klaymen, and Klaymen doesn't get a chance to mourn Klogg's death because of evil engine number 9.
@@thatoneuberedsoldier4505 He's basically supposed to be like Satan, gaining tempation and evil before betraying his own kind and becoming a demonic being of sin.
If you can ass yourself to read the text on the wall in the Hall of Records - or read it online - you'll learn that even Klogg wasn't the very first being Hoborg created. It was a misshapen, barely alive blob of something that he quickly threw as far away as he could.
And that incident just one small part of Hoborg's journey to create what becomes the Neverhood includes:
-Traveling alone for _literal decades_ to a mountain of the highest quality Klay
-Lying on the ground in the hot sun scraping at the ground for years on end to gather enough dirt to make the misshapen thing
-Meeting Willie Trombone and Big Robot Bil - who were created by one of Hoborg's brothers - right after casting the thing out, and using his belt and a chunk of HIS OWN BODY to make a lasso long enough to reach the chunk of land Willie and Bil were on
-Traveling with Willie and Bil for even more years before reaching the mountain of Klay, and along the way noticing at the switch that makes Bil act good or act bad, but rightly leaving it alone
-Getting chased by a Tickberger - a nasty creature that is made to want what it does not have - and being forced to sacrifice most of the Klay that he, Willie and Bil gathered in order to escape it, leaving him only enough Klay to make a world the size of a neighborhood and about twenty beings.
And Hoborg's story is just one of seven parts - one each for Hoborg and his siblings - of a massive narrative that takes heavy inspiration from the Bible, and even reveals the existence of the Skullmonkeys before the game was produced!
Also, looking back at this ending, I can see there's elements of the story that are consistent with Hoborg's story:
-In the shot where Hoborg reveals all the new beings, I counted nineteen figures, not including Hoborg and Klaymen. So that means Hoborg probably used _all_ of his remaining Klay to make those new friends!
-Klogg's appearance in the scene definitely brings a "Tickberger" to mind, and the fact that in the story on the disks, Klogg immediately went for Hoborg's crown in spite of being allowed to enjoy literally EVERYTHING ELSE in the Neverhood - he wanted the one thing he was not allowed to have...just like a Tickberger!
Anyway, thanks for listening to/reading my TED Talk.
Jesus christ, this game influences my emotional state so hard. Characters are written unimaginably good and if anything happens to them can make me laugh or sad. The only other game that worked at me like this was first season of the walking dead but it's still not the same.
TeRminuS You should check out OFF by Mortis Ghost, it's surreal, but in a whole different way than this game.
Characters are written unimaginably good? What the, are you talking about?
@@CyberCheese392 in a simple way, but yes, they are.
Reading this again after 8 months makes me see this is a copypasta
@@CyberCheese392 nah man, just my true feelings;')
2:04 Klaymen’s only quote
klaymen but all he says is klaymen
But he talks in Hockey game in Japan
@@nintendorakyamato1859 yea XD
@@nintendorakyamato1859 but sometimes jokes are funnier when they arent actually true
Nintendorak Yamato he also talks in the sequel, Skullmonkeys
SON OF A---- NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You know....i never really understood that guy.
Bitch
my only wish is to hear klogg finish that sentence like SON OF A BITCH
“You know...I never understood that guy..”
Fun fact: the last word in this quote (not "Noooo!") Was actually said in Russian version because this "word" is first in this quote but not last
Lol
off all the biblical lore that this game has, the 1 fact that never will leave my brain is that 1 of the gods in this universe created a planet and robots for each of his sons... and the dude forgot to put gravity so all the planet fell apart XD
Not to mention most of his sons dying 😂
Ottoborg, while a loving father who lost his kids and couldn't piece his world together properly, was pretty badass to make three robots.
From good ending and it goes to "A bad man fell from the sky..."
2:22 son of a..…no!!!!!!
Klogg's design looks so cool
I never get try of watching this, the neverhood is my all time favorite game to play since it was release out. And Klaymen is truly a hero to the people and the king too
I love this game it scared me when I was 3 years old but now I'm older and I love the story!
This game is so epic!!
When you do two whole minutes of studying and mom leaves the room:
4:22
Still brings a tear to my eyes whenever I see Willy and Bill again, and that hug at the end.
4:50 had to watch that 3 times.
To this day this is the very best reward for finishing a game.
2:21 Son of a! Noooooooooo! i love this scene.
“Hip hip hoo”
Klogg doesn't respect people's personal space at all
lol
memories....
The way clayman looks at hodor allways got me as a child
Dam am old
Memory refresh.. :*)
i love how the cannon bird just goes AHWWWWWW right before it fires lol
You KNOW its a good time when the boss tells ya to GOOF OFF!
'Tis why the verse was sung into being
Japanese Klogg: Kurayman yamerooooo!
No
Just
*NO*
Omg, I keep seeing this over and over and never get tired of it. I love it. 😃 Best video game ever.
W sumie to tak. Wspomnienia z dzieciństwa ;)
Moral of the story: Don’t be greedy.
2:00 One of two times, we hear Klaymen. Other is "aaaaaaa" when he jumps into the drain.
And in the bad ending
1:29 Klogg is screaming: "Klaymen, noooo!"
Just like Hoborg did when Klogg stole his crown
Jaka jedna z najlepszych? Najlepsza!
Nie wybierasz je. Klikasz na koronę (zło) albo na Hoborga (dobro). Pozdrawiam wszystich, ktorzy przeszli jedna z najleprzych gie THE NEVERHOOD!
97FranOo
Przeszedłem
1:40
"His royal highness!*
" *King Hoborg!* "
IT'S JESUS!
I was addicted to this game when it came with my new PC one year in my early teens. Took entirely way too long to beat. Eventually a cult following arose & message boards caught on to this charming little game & I got some help..lol
For a game with relatively little dialogue, this ending actually seems rather fitting.
My childhood
4:59 best scene Korg revived
I can't decide which ending I want to go with in my play through 😅
Zombifull if you do the bad ending make sure you save or it will automatically go to the end credits and then back to the very beginning of the game.
5 people never really understood this game.
4:26 Apparently even before Shrek, Dreamworks wanted to do a cliche dance party at the end of either a movie or a game XD
Hej ludzie. Twórcy Neverhooda robią kolejną plastelinową przygodówkę. Niestety, brak im nieco funduszy i potrzebują naszego wsparcia. Jeśli im nie pomożemy nie powstanie kolejna legenda na miarę Neverhooda.
Wpiszcie w Google: Armikrog Kickstarter.
Zostały tylko 3 dni do końca akcji. Zróbmy co w naszej mocy.
I never played this on my PS1
*F for Klogg.. :(*
I don't know, but I have a feeling that the animation of the ending is of a much lower quality than the rest of the game, especially after returning from the castle, maybe they ran out of money and finished it in a hurry. It looks like it was made by amateurs. And yes, it is very sad to see who Doug TenNapel has turned into
What happened to him?
The quality/budget didn't really decrease, I think it was because of the plasticine they were using was getting all dry and stale.
Me Bil= d in subtitles
Love this game😊
Play this with subtitles on it's funny
UltraDoom there’s nothing funny in them
this is the -worst- life of klogg
you son of a... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Klogg is the villain
...cool...
Neverhood 😍
I wonder what the King was doing? LOL
Song in the starting name?
The beginning half is “Klogg’s Castle”, the second half, I don’t really know, and the last half is “Time to Goof Off”
Fever dream
Klogg nearly swear
Ностальгия
Its Jimmy Cool!!!
2:22 SON OF A- *POW* NYOOOOOOOOOO
I just imagine him shitting out claymen
Such a moving game and ending. it’s a shame what Doug TenNapel’s become. in his mind he’s Hoborg but in reality he’s Klogg all the way
What?
And who makes Klogg voice?
Why?
True
Son of a bitch nooo
So epic
you know what hoborg should have said to klogg? What a fool you are! I am a god! How can you kill a GOD!?
To be fair, he would word it in a more peaceful way.
02:54 diarrhea?
Who is that guy who got the crown supposed to be?
CyberCheese king (or how do you call it) of the neverhood.
But you actually should know that if you played it
@@sunbea4477 Why did Klaymen have to press a button on the throne to wake the king up? Why did Klogg have a knife when all he needed to do was remove the crown again? Why does the king's crown get taller at 2:40 than previous scenes? Why does the king have to introduce the new creations to Klaymen, when apparently the King was able to imbue them with the knowledge of an entire language? Klaymen will soon realize all his "friends" never had a choice in the matter of being his friend, which goes against the very definition of what a friend is. The King bases his perspective on whether things are good based on the emotions of Klaymen, going so far as to bring back the dead in order to please him, instead of the King having his own standard of morality (bringing back the dead is not moral, people need to have closure, the king is making Klaymen dependent on him, quite morally-questionable at minimum)? Seemingly, the only reason the King can wear the crown is because he doesn't transform into something physically ugly, but that teaches the opposite of what we find in reality, that beauty and ugliness is only skin deep and, that the psychology and mental state of a person is the most important thing when making moral and ethical choices. This game is bad except for it's music and artistry.
@Irritable Down syndrome 1. "In the Hall of Record".. I read a bit of the HoR and the entire Hoborg section after some other TH-cam commenters brought it up. It was written incredibly bad, but after reading it, it made me realize that the story was made for children, as the way it was written is like a children's book. The Hall of Records only brought up more plot-holes. I am not sure what you are trying to argue when you say that the Hall states that Hoborg is benevolent and not manipulative. Actions speak louder than words and by looking at Hoborg's actions we can see that Hoborg is manipulative. Lastly, it is possible to be both manipulative and benevolent at the same time. For example, Hoborg could be trying his best to be benevolent, but he is just so dumb and uneducated that his intentions of doing good actually cause more pain. This is a life-lesson first, and a response to your comment second.
2. "He was ugly therefore mistreated", when did I ever make that argument?
3. "Everyone created as free will", how do you know that? Especially when we talk about these little clay creations who might as well be aliens to us. These aliens who are born fully-grown, with fully developed language. These little guys probably don't have a brain the same way we do, they might even be little robots underneath all the clay. Are we, even as humans, considered to be robots? Eventually robots might become more intelligent than people, would these advanced robots question the free-will of people? Is free will something one has or doesnt have, or is it based on a spectrum? This argument touches upon real-life religion, this free-will argument is still debated throughout the world. But if these things do have free will, it is such a low amount and haphazardly used.
--- The story in this game is so bad that it will temporarily take away IQ of anyone involved in it, just like the religious stories that it is based off of.
Hoborg
@Irritable Down syndrome TH-cam is stupid and didn't tell me that you responded. Here is my response:
1. Hoborg is either manipulative or incompetent because:
-Hoborg brings back Klaymen's friend from the dead, which is unnatural and denies Klaymen from experiencing the grieving process.
-Hoborg creates Klaymen's friends and instead of them getting to know Klaymen for themselves and letting Klaymen experience how to make friends, Hoborg commands all of them to cheer for Klaymen, which of course they will not because they understand Klaymen's actions, but because Hoborg told them to.
-When Klogg "dies" Hoborg shrugs it off because he "never understood that guy", this speaks more to Hoborg's incompetence, as history will probably repeat as he doesn't take any blame for making Klogg the way he did.
-He is manipulative because he says, "Man, things are good" AFTER he brings back Klaymen's dead friend. This means that Hoborg does not know whether things are good or not by himself, but relies on seeing how his Klaymen is acting. This isn't too bad really, but it proves that Hoborg is just a normal guy who just happens to have the crown, and relies on others to provide the insight he lacks.
2. There seems to be a lot of miscommunication here, and I think it is only getting worse so let's take a step back and instead of arguing about that let me just copy-paste what I wrote before:
"Seemingly, the only reason the King can wear the crown is because he doesn't transform into something physically ugly, but that teaches the opposite of what we find in reality, that beauty and ugliness is only skin deep and, that the psychology and mental state of a person is the most important thing when making moral and ethical choices."
In other words, the game's message to everyone is that a corrupted person (corrupted=taking the crown if your name is not Hoborg) will turn ugly. This is simply not true, many beautiful people out there are in disguise. But I guess this is a common trope in children's books, where the evil bad guy is ugly.
Also Klogg is not a clear villian, Hoborg is not a clear hero, even Klaymen is not a clear good guy until the final decision is made. The game was made to be abstract from beginning to end.
3. Yeah I probably talked too much about freewill. Essentially all I was trying to say was how free will is not 100% and that there is always a level of manipulation in our lives. In regards to the game, the level of control coming from Hoborg is so great that the freewill of these little clay guys can't help but be limited.
How do you that?
2:22 SON OF A--- NOOOOO!!!! (gets blasted by the cannon)
:DDDDDDD
Jesus Christ is the King! Rise up Q*
Vhusti
2:54 dźwięk jakby ktoś dostał porządnej sraki xD
Bardzo fajna, przyjemna i zabawna gra
Thanks, I love it