8 Strings....Why Don't You Just Play Bass? | Pete Cottrell
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To be fair.. Bass as lead-voice sounds freakin' awesome! :D
so brutal and heavy
We need more of this, bass switching roles with an 8 string mid song or album that wouldn't be pretty cool
Bung The Booce imagine a song without a guitar and a bass instead of it, especialy djent, it would sound amazing
Oops, I mean only bass
I think that's what Royal Blood have capitalized on
Bass sounds pretty sick as a guitar.
Guitar sounds pretty meh as a bass.
I think the conclusion here is that bass is superior.
*burns all my guitars*
+moist granny Lol!
but seriously, where is it? xD
+moist granny What moist granny said
hi guys Colin here
i guess it's mostly becouse of the charecteristics of the pickup
To be honest dude, you could make a tennis racket sound good.
Haha, that's exactly what I thought! :D
Too many strings - might as well use a tennis racket.
if you challenge him he'll do it xD
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lol xD
Lead bass actually sounds pretty awesome
Try Cliff Burton of Metallica. I'm not really a fan of Metallica but Cliff will sure as hell redefine your understanding of "lead bass" and awesome l.
+Someguy528 cliff is such a master
+Suicidalfuckernumber1 Cliff? how about Claypool
xDrCaspeRx Claypool too.
And there is Lemmy too...Not technically a great player, but definitely smashes the conventions of what a bassist is supposed to do..chords like a guitarist, and fires out many lead lines....and you won't find someone with more attitude and feeling...
This how every song sounds to a bass player
Not gonna lie, I want to see a band do this type of stuff
Me to!
check out Extinction Level Event. no guitars, all bass
Royal Blood!
+Marijn ten Berge lol Royal Blood is nowhere near as technical as this demonstration
Royal blood is a bass guitar played through both a bass amp and a guitar amp wit han octave up pedal.
The bass sounds great as the guitar, but I didn't feel like it works quite as well for the guitar playing bass parts.
It's cause the low tuned guitars are supposed to sound fuller, and the bass fills that booming sound quite easily, but the guitar ends up sounding weak when it's supposed to carry the low end
+Juan Garcia it might also do with string length.
And this is why there's a metal band that just has 3 bassists. No I'm not joking.
What band?
Extinction Level Event. Instead of guitarists, they just have 3 bassists.
Is it just my own bias as a bassist and a bass lover, or playing the guitar part with a bass actually sound really good ? Good enough to be some serious business
Royal blood
+Jayden Boyer Royal Blood
Extintion Level Event
Dude this sounds better than it would the other way around. You pretty much just disproved that whole trend that was going on the past 3, 4 years. Well done sir.
+Bear McBride Well, my intention was to kinda highlight that the argument is ridiculous. To me it sounds WAY better the original way round with bass always being a bass and guitar always being a guitar. It's sounds fine here but yeah, I won't be doing this on a regular basis but if you like it go for it, it might sound great :)
I understand what you were trying to do, and I really think you made your point. My comment was more directed towards those internet warriors who will call you names and act all childish like when you tell them that perhaps the whole thing is you know... just an option. ;)
+Bear McBride Thanks! And yeah, there isn't really any stopping the trolls :)
I guess there's not. Anyway, subscribed! Nice to have a new interesting channel to watch.
+Bear McBride Thanks for the Sub! :)
I want to start a band with just two bassists and a drummer
It's been two years. Did you manage to do it?
That exists already tbh. Check out The omnific. They’re awesome.
I love that the conclusion is like : "well fuck if i know but that sounded awesome and all that matters is creativity anyway"
Which is true.
Guitar must be super pissed it has to go through ez mix instead of all those sweet tube amps it's used to !
Man, it was NOT happy! :)
+Pete Cottrell Also on a side note, would you mind explaining how the two notes cabinet simulator fits into signal chain ? I thought you had a real cab?
It just simulates the guitar cab and mic so its exactly the same as micing up a cab :)
+Pete Cottrell ah I see ! Dunno where I got idea that you miced up real cabs ..
+Pete Cottrell I wouldn't stay it's exactly the same thing. I would say it's rather different.
I wouldn't call 8 and 9 string guitars "pointless". Excessive seems more appropriate to me, but it all depends on the sound you're after.
What is pointless IMO is people buyin 8 or 9 strings for the 3 lower strings instead of just downtuning. On the other hand there are guitar players (Tosin Abasi for example) doing amazing things on those guitars. I personally like those guitars a lot and even though I play and like metal a lot I always ended playing more clean and complex structures with my fingers instead of just chugging the lower notes with a pick.
Pete did an experiment on downtuning and a 6 string tuned to his 8 string tuning sounded a bit worse probably because of the string tension.
@@marcthedashergd6321 Thankfully baritone guitars are available, which have significantly longer scale lengths, while sticking to a 6 string set up.
Yeah you can probably downtune to drop f# on that thing.
@@marcthedashergd6321 There are 30in scale baritone guitars, they can be tuned an octave below a 6 string guitar.
one of my favourite verse riffs
it sounded quite good indeed at least on palm mute, tapping and single notes. The chords not so much.
But I could defiitely see a song written with the bass as the "leading" instrument.
I really enjoyed the chords, actually more than the original on the 8 string.
Maybe because it sounds a little more emotive to me?
could be yes, maybe I just another listen :)
I had that feeling as well, on the bass it felt like the strings vibrated too much, made more noise than it was appropriate on the chords, but the single notes had a very interesting sound.
check a band called Royal Blood :)
Or Death From Above 1979
#Rule2 Doesn't apply here!
unlike every other bass player. Sorry Davie!
Rule#2 says "your", not "every"... why so many people miss that ?!
People said the same ignorant crap about 7 strings when they came out. It's all about another tool...a different instrument to facilitate a different creative effort. It's just like someone saying why pointillism when you can just draw lines and shade? Why oils when watercolors are good? These arguments just make me shake my head.
I guess you could argue that the 0s and 1s of an 8 or 9 string are pointless with a bass player, but a big reason guitars with that many strings are a thing is for extendes sweeping! or just extended range without changing position on the neck.
I enjoyed this video Pete, thanks :)
FUCK THE COMPARISON!!! I'M IN LOVE WITH THIS SONG!!!❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
As expected, the bass sounds like a bass and the guitar sounds like....a guitar.
Anyone who says a guy who wants to tune low should just get a bass is an ignoramus.
Low tuned guitar =/= a bass. Anyone who says so is plain ignorant.
Thank you, I wholeheartedly agree.
The bass actually sounded great and very much guitar-like. The guitar failed miserably doing the role of the bass.
Maybe with more chords or different effects layered on top the bass would show its weaknesses.
I think when people say that they don't mean low tuned guitars sound the same as a bass, they mean bass (supposedly) is objectively better because it sounds similar but much less muddy
It sounded freaking cool, that's how it sounded :)
It's telling to me that the guitar seems to almost entirely disappear in this version of the song.At best, there's a vague outline there, but nothing more. It indicates that the writing of the bass part in this song was, as is often the case in this type of music, an afterthought; oversimplistic and buried in the mix, reduced to lolloping around after the guitar part, upon which more time and care was spent. Even a guitar's cutting sonic capabilities can't bring it out in the mix. Time to give your bass parts more thought, perhaps, and make them able to stand on their own.
That's how I always feel with instrumental metal music like this. It's a great show of talent, but if it's a 'solo' project lead by a guitarist, the bass is either an exact copy of the guitar line or the bass is minimalist. That's why in my prog band, my bassist is more of a 'key-bass' player so he is almost always doing countermelodies to what the guitar is doing.
Thank god, i thougth i was the only one
***** Read it again, Skippy. For comprehension this time. Whoever told you that obtuseness=cleverness did you no favor.
I agree. While bass as lead sounds very well, the guitar as bass lacks this depth of sound, in my opinion.
The fucking bass as a guitar is fucking superior. GG EZ
Indeed! But I have never seen someone play a bass just that similar to a guitar, that requires some superior skill, too!
Lemmy?
Royal Blood too, and even Flea from RHCP strums chords (and pops a D chord for most of Hump De Bump)
what about when you have to start shredding
Kolt Kovers99 you're less likely to break a string, look up Davie504 he has a couple of videos where he shreds on a J bass
Never seen this channel before.. i watched 3 vids and now subscribed. Awesome playing. looking forward to watching more content now that i'm here.
+x7stringinJSCx Thanks for watching and the Sub! New video soon, it's actually the follow up to this one. Another experiment Vs an 8 String video :)
I think you just made something totally new, cool and effective into the industry. Great song and amazing sound. Congrats Pete!
Dude I love you so much, I discovered your channel yesterday. You are just amazing
I love playing my bass like a guitar like that. Fuzz, Distortion, wah, trem, and reverb pedals make the perfect set-up.
Well because I am Trans-Djender but I identify as a guitar player. Sometimes I feel like playing groovy or djenty bass lines, but sometimes I feel like playing a shred solo. Also I'm sexually attracted to Tube Amps. Bass amps are just disgusting, how can anyone like them? I started "experimenting" when I first heard a Meshugga song.
Stop triggering me you cis-djendered guitar & bass players!
Trans Djenter?
How far up you own arse do you need to be to play that style?
+nuberiffic it's not a style, it's a guitar player who wants to be a bass player or a bass player who wants to be a guitar player. Tosin Abasi does it outstandingly.
+nuberiffic also I'm justifying 8-9-10 string guitars.
V10 FSI
so.... really far?
+nuberiffic well unless your Tosin Abasi or mimick his style, yes
What fascinate me more, is not the experiment result BUT, the process. You played that bass that well! Awesome fingering and skills.
bruh where have i been all this time :(( THIS IS AWESOME!
+Rafael San Andres Thanks! :)
String thickness, scale length, and pickup tech shape the sound so much, and this video demonstrates all of that really well :)
This actually sounds better than most 8-string guitars...
Thanks! :)
Dang Pete, you have come a long way man!I remember when you had 8,000 subs back in 2014 and now look at your channel!Keep up the good work!!
I'd love to see that same riff played with a conventional bass behind it.
I think this sounds really good, probably better than the original, just because that bass tone has a very nice sought after "texture" to the sound that is very difficult to get with an electric 8 string. There are purposes for extended range guitar though. Those extra strings can create better sounding chords, and new options for voicings, obviously, and it's especially nice for the solo players out there that would like to have one instrument to do everything. I suppose in metal it could only be used one way, but if you play it clean, the extended range gives you an edge.
Which is the lowest tuning by which tuning bass an octave lower than guitar makes sense yet?
They're tuned to the same octave in this video. If you have the bass that capable of tuning an octave below the guitar then it can work but it depends on the instrument :)
Yes, I've noticed that they are in the same octave and that's why I'm asking by which tuning it is better to tune it ovtave below and which is better to tune it in the same octave. For example my band wants to play in drop G and we don't know if we should tune down 5-string bass or tune 4-string up to the same octave as guitar.
+Rurczak Kurczak Drop G an octave below on a 5 string is OK but you'll need a very thick string and to get your bass setup for the thicker gauge strings. A multi scale or 35 inch scale bass would also be better :)
Ok, thank you for help :D
my opinion is drop A. you can run a 135 string without modding the bass guitar and even a 5 string would handle it fairly well, albeit lower tension than i like. stringjoy makes down to 145 in bass strings but ive yet to order them. i know the 135's sound good. the benefit of drop A on a guitar is that you can still play normal chords and power chords with open notes without just sounding totally muffled to shit. anything lower and open chords just go out the window and you just have to do Djenty Chuggin and awkward bar chords on the 2nd fret or farther. if you have a 7 string its even better cuz you get standard tuning and that low A, so its like a 6 string and then BAM, massive power chordage when you need to go heavy.
Large number string guitars and Bass guitars are going to have different electronics and hardware which will change the tonality of the instrument. Bass guitars are designed to get the bass sound out of the guitar, while an 8 string is designed to be a guitar with a lower range, but not to sound like a bass guitar.
The 8 string is bound to have a more high end sound than the bass.
I think the problem is that if you have your guitar go down so low, what's the point of having bass? I feel like if you go that low you're just drowning out the bass's audio space.
Sure you can mix it to kind of work out, but it's still taking a lot of the spectrum from the bass.
i kinda like my bass to be higher in the spectrum
***** Very much.
that's a great argument, if that's the case have and additional guitar player on a bass part. some one I remember saying to a 9 string guitar player said "Leave the low end to the bassist that's what you're paying him for!" where i agree i also like the option for the bass to go lead while the 9 string guitar player picks up the bass end, giving the bass player time to shine and putting someone there who can keep the bass moving. you can do a lot of things but i feel like maybe higher strings on the guitar should be next because anymore and you'll have a 6 string bass and 6 string in one instrument.
Cameron Wilson I personally think that if you have seriously low tunings, it's not fair to your bassist, and it basically makes them just there to fill in the guitars a little bit more to make the riff sound meatier.
I'm not saying the music isn't good, I'm just saying it kind of gouges the bassist's role.
+Lemmy Koopa I'm saying there music isn't good because there raking the bassist job😂 but I see what your saying. that's like having an owner do the managers job while the manager is working.
Well, this video made me ultimately pick a bass guitar.
Thank you, Pete! You eventually made me choose and it was the right choice!
That was some Meshuggah type messing around right there
when the bass is leading in the harmonic part it sounds amazing
the 8 string is pontless unless you use the f*cking high strings. you can solo in a guitar as you can't solo in a bass, and you can use whatever chords you want in a guitar, which you can't do in a bass. if you just keep djenting the fuck out of it, it is pointless.
and i think something very importante to keep in mind while riffing is how Petrucci Works with the seventh string. that is the way it's supposed to be used.
oh, that's right
sorry, i'm not familiarized with the english language yet.
Cliff Burton soloed on his bass, and Lemmy used a lot of power chord shapes.
yes, but those were fucking Cliff and Lemmy.
i didn't say you can't solo in the bass. you can but not as you can in a guitar. you can't get really high notes, not even play too fast, and the bass is far away from being as dinamic as a guitar.
oh, for fuck's sake
for the second time, i didn't mean you CAN'T solo in the bass. i already listened to sheehan soloing loads of times. what i mean is : a bass doesn't have the fucking G, B and E strings, so you'll not get that delicious E6 at the end of the solo; and the bass can't be played as a guitar. it's different instruments, different techniques, and different sounds coming out of it. the bass has this problem really hard to describe, but it always seems like it's getting some interference when played too fast. i think it's a limitation with the finger technique, but i'm not bassist to tell. that's something that doesn't happpens on a guitar, in which you can shred while getting the notes to sound as clear as your technique lets you. and, as far as i know, you can't sweep pick a bass
8un3zz by the way, thank you for your extreme education, douchebag
My whole thing about extended-range guitars is that, more often than not, anybody who gets one will instinctively crank up the distortion and jam on a bunch of elephant-fart riffs that shake the ground, but don't do much of anything else. There's so much more potential for these types of guitars. For example, ever hear of chord melody versions of those old 20th-century jazz standards? For those who don't know, it's when you take a popular jazz tune from that time period and play the bass lines, chords and melodies all at the same time on one guitar. With those extra bass strings on an extended-range guitar, you could play some killer walking bass lines that you couldn't play on a conventional 6-string ax. It would definitely take the tune to a whole new level.
You just guitar'd the shit out of that bass
Yep! ;)
I'm surprised you don't have at least a 1mil of subs, this is incredible content!
Everytime I get stuck writing or playing songs, your channel is among the very few I came on to get motivated :')
Problem with 8 string guitars are the idiots that have one only to go br0000talz and play nothing more than 00000000000000 on the low F# or E. That's why I hate most deathcore and some djent, it can get really boring as fuck really fast
Dude the tunes you come up with can make anything sound good!
Show off !
I wasn't expecting much from this idea but I stand corrected.
This is just beautiful
Put some active Emg's on the Bass and you got a Djent guitar
NONONONONO NO ACTIVE EMG"S. as a bass role ok but lead no
You know that both the guitar and bass are part of the rhythm section so they should be able to hand different parts of the song back and forth. Kudos Pete!
well... i think, i don't need any guitars no more. bass is pretty enough for all parts of my music)))
If you arent just into metal alone, you should check out Pinback.
i like this even more because i've always wondered how an ERG sounds in a bass context, it does the job well. Awesome as always, pete.
i would like to see a stoner band with two bassists one having a guitar like sound and one having, well, a bass sound and a drummer.
that would be really cool
Not really stoner, but have you checked out Royal Blood?
barbel127 yup they are awesome but imagine royal Blood with guitar sound (on a separate bass) and Bass sound (on separate bass too)
+Jim Dragon would be massive
barbel127 I know!! And because of the massive sound stoner would fit more in this band. But it's a personal preference I guess ;)
This is quite amazing and proves how versatile and important the bass guitar is. It's often underutilized. I feel people either don't want to take the time to learn it or bands don't want to unlock its potential and are happy to just use it to solidify the low end and play boring root note stuff. It took me longer than it should have to understand how important the bass guitar is for the guitar tone itself. I never understood why my guitar never sounded right recording at home, that is until I began programming bass lines into the mix. Suddenly it sounded massive and "correct" and bypassing the bass was always amusing to hear the difference.
That being said...the 8 string guitar is still a good choice, but like the bass, must be properly utilized. The guitar, if nothing else, is easier to play and unlock that creativity. The scale length is shorter, strings lighter, complex chord shapes are easier, and it is easier to play faster. Still..alot is possible on the bass. Great video.
Sounds better reversed. The strings on the bass actually have enough tension to produce a clear note.
I always had the idea of making a metal band where the bass leads and guitar does backing track... Nice to know that it can work in practice!
+rockgod227 Thanks for watching! :)
Just discovered you today; I am not disappointed! Have you ever considered calling your subgenre of metal "experimental metal"?
This sounds really good. Maybe 8-string guitarists should just play bass.
sounds great
That is, of course, unless they actually utilize all 8 strings when they play.
No I identify as a guitar player!
Nobody cares bro. Eight string guitars sounds like bass guitar, all meshuggah songs sounds like high distorted bass booping and someone finally says the truth.
+White14Poland different amplification chain makes them sound slightly different. I kinda like Meshugga though however uncreative they can be
Anything Pete plays will sound awesome!
Do you even have hair?
Nope :)
I wear a hat just like his, and it drives people batshit for some reason. I really don't have hair tho, started losing it fast at 21
Me too ha ha! :)
Isn't it hard to wear a beany all the time in summer?
I wear a baseball cap most of the time in the summer, just not in the videos that much :)
my new favorite video on TH-cam by far
That was awesome and your right there is no limit when it comes to creativity.
That sounded really good, and I think you're right when you say that people can do whatever they want when it comes to music.
That was awesome! There is a song called "Big Bottom" by Spinal Tap in which **everyone**, excluding the drummer, plays bass. When they did the Big 4 concert series with Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth & Anthrax in the UK, they played it as a big finale number, like 15 people out there, all playing bass. HILARIOUS!
The guitar parts on bass sounded brutal. Couldn't really hear the bass on the guitar parts. Amazing stuff as usual. One of the few great riff masters on the web. Keep the music coming.
LOVE it Pete! Keep the music coming! Can't get enough.
Agreed, it's all about making music. Doesn't matter what tool you use to get the sound you're wanting. I play a 6 string bass tuned the same as a guitar. For me an 8 or 9 string guitar would be the best of both worlds.
Wow, you took one of my favourite riffs/songs of yours and made it even better (in my humble opinion) or at least new. Very good experiment, would like to see others in the future
What does it sound like? Kickass, that's what.
That harmony part was amazing
The fact that your playing that on bass is pretty sick honestly
That... was SO much better than I was expecting, I'm impressed.
+Arctic Thanks for watching! :)
It sounds fantastic! It's much more intense and also much clearer!
The bass really did sound amazing as the "featured" instrument! Great job Pete! You kick ass. So talented....
I love both instruments, play bass the most but i'm agree with Peter. Extended range instruments are cool, but doesn't play themselves, no matter how manny strings you use, is how you use them. You can use a monocorde but as any instrument, using it the right way can be awesome. You can do amazing things with one octave or six.
This sounded fuzzy because the bass has higher guage strings and different pickups that are designed to get a mellow tone. The guitar is meant to get bright and crisp tone with clarity to it. The 8 and 9 string guitars are useful just because of that. They can handle a dsitortion in low tunings.
well in my band we have a lead-bass and a rythmic-bass...
BASS IS LOVE!!!!
+Basil Schreyer Sweet, cool to see it in action :)
Why do you not have more subscribers????
Inspirational dude, seriously!
Might be just me but I love that beefy tone of a Bass playing the solo parts. Great video btw.
here’s what i’ll say, if you’re going to only use the really low strings for your riffs on 8+ strings, then you might as well just play distorted bass (i mean it’s way cheaper), that’s what royal blood does, but if you’re going to use multiple strings to create melodies and riffs then you should use an 8+ string guitar
You're a madman Pete, awesome playing!
Wouldn't work for every metal song, but the tone that resulted from this experiment is fucking amazing.
Thanks! :)
Please do another recording of this song, but with the guitar playing the guitar and the bass playing the bass partys so I can hear this masterpiece of a song properly. I just love it so much
Oh. Nevermind lol I can buy it on itunes.
your bass playing is awesome
Holy crap, that sounded incredible !!! String count doesn't matter, its how you use them; and you sir use them exquisitely. Great tune.
This is in my top 3 videos form you man! I really love this song! Awesome video!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Definitely agree with your conclusion. There really aren't many rules to composition and you can find a way to make any combination of string numbers and guitar types mesh. Just have to be creative. Killer playing by the way. Just recently converted to 8 strings so I'm in the process of learning to utilize the whole fretboard and all 8 strings lol
dude... that is amazing! I love the swap ! Unique AF!!
Honestly this is kickass with that bass lead
That sounds so faking loud, that is a style ! I love it
Sounds pretty sweet whichever way round. Nice video.
I dont know if its because the string tension , but the bass sounds very tight, i like the definition, definitely not the same, but good too
Truly Amazing Pete
Contender for Greatest Metal song ever!
was there a concept or theme for writing this song?
Sounds so good!
Holy shit mate...I love Your groovy riffs. One of the bests on YT. Keem 'em going!
You are, beyond any doubt, the best riff writer on TH-cam.
Thanks! :)
I think you all over think this bass vs guitar thing..... Every song can be different and its your choice and skill to make it sound amaizing.
If this CRAZY bass line can surpass guitar and create epic sensations for listeners than DO IT.
Most important is to be open minded and creative and music allow you todo that HEAVY, MEAT, HARD or soft, fun, melodic sensations.
There is no chance guitar surpass bass and other way around :] even if it will work... it will not work in all songs.
BUT i believe there is a guitar with 10 strings that got both of them on it.
This guy just give me a new fresh wind of inspiration for me and i play both guitar and bass :] CANT decide witch one i like more.
Royal Blood is well known for substituting guitar with dual-line bass (one line goes to clean bass amp and the other one goes trough a guitar rig).
God fucking damn you dominate on bass. Super jelly. Made me whip out my bass from its case. Haven't touched it in months.
Sincerely, a starting bass player.
Excellent video. Couldn't agree more on all points. Really enjoyed the track. Some people argue on the inter webs. Some just make great music and put their heart into it. At the end it's all about music and I like yours a lot.