I recently bought a FM3 turbo. I'm a sound tech and musician, and love the detail and flexibility of the emulations. long time tube-snob, but if you learn the unit it's fantastic. sounds like a 1 to 1 of my amps into impulse responses. IR mixing and matching is kind of an art in itself.
@ccamacho9333 You said a bunch of things and put in words that negate what I think you're trying to say. "Nothing cant beat", which I presume is meant to be "can't", but then you're saying "nothing cannot cannot beat". Your sentences are a confused mess.
I also love my FM3. I started with an HX Stomp, which I kept because it's easier to dial in and smaller. But after having the FM3 for a year and getting used to its complicated interface, I just can't argue with the sounds of both the models and effects. I love the sounds. I had an experience recently where I was considering buying a Fender Princeton Reverb. Instead, I pulled up the Princeton Reverb model in my FM3 and it's great. I'm playing through a little Henriksen amp and it fills the room and sounds and plays like the real amp. Then, to be able to add a Zen drive before, or a beautiful reverb after the amp, within the unit -- it sounds so good. Excellent sounds and tons of flexibility. But be warned, there is a learning curve, especially compared to the stomp.
I own a FM3 came from helix and I won’t go back! It sounds amazing. I just saw Def Leopard and Phil & Vivian use Axe Fx III and it was a wall of guitar sound! Best I’ve ever heard at an arena venue. If you’re thinking of getting into fractal don’t hesitate. Little learning curve on the interface and FM3 Edit on pc or Mac but again just buy it! John and Leon are great resources for. fractal. Thank you John!
I gigged with an axefx 3 for a year and then downsized to the FM3 and used it for a year and loved both of them. After gigging and owning all the modelers now, I think that the Fractal stuff sounds the best but the tonemaster pro has been my favorite to use live because of how user friendly it is, the great I/O flexibility, dead simple to tweak and adjust mid-song if needed and I honestly feel like it's build quality is the best on the market. The amount of work it takes to get the FM3 sounding better than the TMP is pretty big and trying to do anything with the fractal almost necessitates watching a youtube tutorial to understand how to do it vs the TMP making it really intuitive.
Went through a large number of different Line6 products before I bought an Axe FX II XL, was super happy for several years before jumping on the hyped Quad Cortex bandwagon, now I'm back with an FM3 MkII Turbo and i’m not looking back, Fractal is for me number 1
Yeah, QC is kinda underwhelming in comparison, isn't it? Had FM3, bought a QC. It disconnected me so much from my playing. I sold it and re-discovered my FM3 months later. Unfortunately, the FM3 (and its tweakability) has a tendency to kinda steamroller me and to cause option paralysis, but there are moment I find myself just noodling for an hour, being super happy. I don't remember ever having had such moments on the QC.
@@Mr_Bolliehonest question (trying to decide between FM3 and Quad Cortex) - why did the QC feel underwhelming for you? I would hope it would be more ready for a “plug and play” experience, so it would help with just playing rather than tone chasing all day?
@@nunolance23 With the QC I ended up tweaking more than i played that thing. However, things have changed in the meantime: I fellout of love with the FM3 again and bought the QC a second time just to give it a try, hoping that firmware 3.x.x was better. I captured my favorite amp and now it's quite the opposite. I barely tweak, I mostly play. So yeah, back on QC again, and definitely happier with it. Also easier to create a patch on than on the FM3. Moreover, if you ever touched an H90 or Boss GT1000, you will notice that the FX in the QC are better than their reputation, IMHO. ;D
I've got an FM3 and must admit (as a die hard tube amp player) that it sounds incredible, easy to use (when using the editor software) and amazingly versatile.- Plus it keeps getting better with every firmware update. The lack of VST isn't really an issue for me as it works vey well with Logic Pro via my Apogee Element 24.
Went from Headrush to FM3 (with a bunch of NDSP plugins on MBP in between). FM3 is stunning. I have a PRRI, too, but the FM3 is just an amazing piece of gear. And John's presets are the greatest deal in presets anywhere!
After they nailed down gapless preset switching, it became a no brainer to me honestly. Their scenes were already better in my opinion because you could have 4 amp models that worked like amp channels. Every other modeler needs multiple amps in one preset, or compromising and trying to make the "high gain" modeled channel sound like mid-gain. Now i just can't decide which of the units I want haha.
This 4 amp model "channel" thing is what ultimately made me make the jump from Helix to Axe FX3. For some things I do I need three amps in a patch. I could never get happy with Helix using distortion/OD/EQ prior to the amp and/or snapshot parameters on the amps to get all three the way I wanted. Could always get two of them just right and had to compromise on the 3rd. With Axe FX it is a no brainer. Once I got it, the the sheer processing power just blows away the Helix, and there is no explicit connection between an fx location and a processor. So the frustrations with worrying about whether I can add another fx to my chain and go over 100% on one of the processors, or having to move the fx blocks between processors to get them both under 100% is just gone.
Just finished dialing in a live rig for the FM3 using the Lonestar models with 2 expression pedals. Setting up 3 pedal ranges in combination with Fractal’s flexible foot switches allowed expansion into 12 sounds. Using several equa-metric paralyzers provided maximum use of the neck pickup on a larger PRS hollowbody! It’s perfectly glorious!
Fractal has nerdy and geeky engineers who are also tone freaks which is great for as tone freaks. The other brands have software engineers loading algorithms. 😂
Don't forget the per performance and global knobs, they definitely make on the fly adjustments easier. Also, double pressing A-B-C-D-E encoders take you to Amp, Drive, Cab, Delay and Reverb respectively.
I couldn’t decide so I bought an FM9. I am happy with it. All this bickering about which is better reminds me of the apple or android thing. Chevy or ford thing. I am playing and I am happy.
One thing you didn't mention is that an Axe-Fx or Axe-Fx Ultra now cost about the same as one Strymon pedal. The unit Steve Vai declared "tonally perfect" is within reach of almost any serious guitarist. I still use my 2010 Ultra as my main rig. I paid £2000 for it back then and don't regret a single penny. But it is now worth about £450.
I had the helix LT and used for some time. Some great sounds out of that but the tone master pro works for me. Sounds great direct and it’s fab when using the orange pedal baby through a cab. Modelling has come such a long way and it’s nice seeing so many quality units out there now. Long may it continue!
I've been Team FAS for as long as I could be (it ain't cheap...gimme a break...lol). Bought my Axe-FX II SEVEN YEARS AGO, so to celebrate, I decided it's FINALLY time to upgrade. My shiny new Axe-FX III Turbo should be here Thursday. Can't wait!!! FAS is the GOAT.
Well, I played Kemper for about 10 years and meanwhile I can say that I know how it works. I gigged with it from clubs to large venues and it's totally reliable. But I never had an amp like feeling in terms of response. I built a wet/dry/wet rig then using a Revv amp and it was a totally different feel. To get a backup I ordered the FM3 using the Revv Generator in Green Mode and it blows me away. Kemper is years behind. Processing power, the modelling, response on the volume knob... it's unbelievable. And the switching is just smart...and last but not least the editor... another dimension.
I like the fact you get actual hardware capacitors on the input that switch based on certain effects that are first in the chain to load your pickups impedance just like a fuzzface would for example…..if I sound like I know what I’m talking about I clearly don’t lol
I had the QC, Boss GT-1000, Hotone 2 stomp as well as the HX Stomp before finally trying a Fractal FM3. For some reason I thought it was focused on metal high gain amps and sounds like that but it has the best clean and breakup sounds I've heard. I've never heard such realistic Fender Brownface/Tweed/Blackface sounds before. I find the FM3 is way better than all of the other amp sims I've owned, especially when it comes to the amp sims. Both when it comes to the quality of the sound and the amp feeling you get as well as how detailed everything is. The closest one in terms of sound quality was actually the Hotone 2 (to my ears). The effects are also great but the Helix and Boss have a lot of amazing effects too. If you want the most realistic amp sim where you can get both realistic amp-in-the-room sounds (Fractal has the best room reverb algorithms) as well as perfect studio recording sounds, just go for a used FM3 like I did. Not that much more expensive than a new GT-1000 or HX Stomp. And you get all the new updates just like the FM3 Turbo (only 10 % difference when it comes to DSP and some bigger screens, nothing else). I'd obviously prefer an FM9 for live use but the FM3 works for me as I don't do that many gigs anyway. Most of my use is rehearsing with my band and home recording/playing around.
Again excellent video John! I am really liking the heliosphere delay in the HX. I actually have 2 in my signal chain. One which always on for short delay and other for really spatial ambient delay. With the reverb it can really get into Strymon territory with a nice bloom.
Long time fractal user here. Besides the sound quality I think they're are three things someone who is considering diving into the modeling world and they are. 1) the editing environment on the device. 2) the editing environment on the editor and 3 the culture or support forums etc which for fractal is excellent.
Although some of my favourite artists have advocated for Quad Cortex, I’m going to be buying an FM3. Really can’t wait. You and Leon Todd have been a big part of that decision.
I have had every one of rhe big name modelers (headrush boss line 6 kemper quad cortex). The fractal stuff blows everything away. I started with the axe fx3 mk2 but now I have a fm3 mk2 turbo and I love it. Easily the most realistic amp like modeler out there
@@iann8733Love to hear that. I’ve been ‘that guy’ that keeps rocking up to band practice with new gear every few months - just tone chasing and never satisfied. What’s your setup for the FM3? I’ve only got studio monitors for now and a BOSS Katana. No FRFR as yet.
@@Chris_Nouvelli Your studio monitors should be Full-range, Flat Response, so you don't need a "FRFR". Those marketed as FRFR speakers are generally a lot more powerful though. Studio monitors should serve you well for practice and recording at home, and a FRFR floor monitor/speaker for use on gigs. You can find some nice comparisons on the Thomann channel and with EytschPi42. John Nathan Cordy himself also has some videos on this.
I'm sort of a traditionalist when I comes to amps. I like tube driven amps. I decided to try the Fractal Audio FM-3 Turbo (bought it). Boy! This thing is a tone monster and you can tweak every parameter. The only this that was an obstacle was that there were too many choices... Once you find your favorite amps and effects, you are largely covered.
I always laugh when people complain about how complex Fractal gear is. Fractal is PROFESSIONAL gear. Professional gear is complex by nature. It is aimed at someone who is extremely knowledgeable and can make use of the complexity the gear offers. With that said, it’s only as complicated as you want to make it. The stock settings and presets they offer are amazing. You don’t have to menu dive if you don’t want to (and I actually would encourage you to avoid it unless there is something specific you know you want to change). Even if you only ever play their premade presets you will get an immense amount of enjoyment out of these products, they just sound that good.
First, quick note about your playing: so tasteful! Just gorgeous note choices and “vocalizing”. I’ve been an Axe-FX user for almost 14 years now, through the different versions, starting with the Ultra. I’ve owned and loved other gear, too - Strymon in particular, also many others. I’ve gone “Fractal-free” for periods of time during gear binges, essentially recreating an “outboard Axe-FX” sans an actual Axe-FX. But I always ended up back at the Axe-FX. I have two Axe-FX III MkII units now in the studio (one is Turbo), and if I ever get my live gigging act together I’ll buy another for live use. Other modelers are awesome! But Fractal is the mountaintop. You’re right: it’s hard to convey why in a video or with words. It can sound like fanboi speak. But it’s actually true: for the money, it’s at the top of the mountain. The effects alone - aside from the amp/cab models - are as good as Strymon effects. And the constant refinements and improvement, and in some cases complete algorithmic overhauls, constantly moving the ball further down the field just makes Fractal gear the best for the money.
My main question is how noticeable is the difference with the impedance adjustment (or lack of) is on the fm3 compared to the fm9/fx3 and how much does it matter?
I have used a Helix LT for about 7 years in all sorts of situations but due to never gelling with FRFR I am back to a real (Victory RK50) amp and using Helix for FX - to the point I think I just need an FX unit. The ability to model is still very handy in certain situations but unless everyone is on in ears it sounds weird in the room to have guitar coming out the PA, especially if there is another guitarist with an amp. I think it's about time to revisit all these new modellers. I know Rabea used the QC at Glastonbury but the Fractal stuff seems to be loved by Vai and others for its effects - not the amp modelling or emulation. I had an FX9 and the FX really were a level above most of the other options at the time. Guthrie is using the FM9 on Aristocats tour and with Hans Zimmer I think too
I bought fractal 6 months ago and from the start intentionally i didnt use Fm3 editor, coz i wanted to create patches on the device itself. M not gonna lie, its not that difficult. People are so used to touch screens and easy hold and drag these days that they dont wanna fun with dial things on their own, this is the main problem. Now i can create patches with comfort on live gigs if needed. I think everyone must know their instrument in and out to bring out its highest potential. Just dont depend on PC, do it in ur hardware and have some fun. I love the layout of Fm3 and sounds are top notch.
I love and use fractal on daily basis including live just because I truly believe, that Cliff Chase is the biggest nerd when it comes to understanding and modelling the physics of amps, effects and cabinets. Truly incredible, this guy.
I pulled the trigger on an fm3 recently after using a boss katana for a while. My mind is absolutely blown. Literally any sound I want to make, I can. The only limit is my personal ability and understanding. This is very fitting for the overall nature of guitar playing in general.
Not saying a lot of pros don't use fractal but most of the pros in touring bands that I know are using Kemper / Quad Cortex on their international rigs if they're using modellers/profilers.
I'm been using Fractal gear since 2015 and I must say, I've rarely, extremely rarely, ever done anything on the front panel. The Fractal editor is top notch and very easy to use and I just figured that there was no need to learn how to do more than the basics on the hardware.
Every day I look at all my gear.. 4 pedalboards, analog pedals, Helix, Tonex x2, Boss GT1K. Wonder why I spent all that money over the years when I could have just gone Fractal from the get go and saved myself time, money, and headaches. With the exception of maybe my amps, drop pedal and Whammy V I would have gone straight to Fractal.
To be honest you just need the drop pedal for the fm3 not sure about the 9 but the main model I think handles it. And yes adding a whammy is good but not needed I use whammy up and down and wah with one expression pedal. I only use those soloing mostly so I put the wah on one then hold function for whammy up and another hold for whammy down tho I think it would men nice to just dedicate one for volume which I used to use on my board just never needed it with the fm3. God I love these things
@@justinplaysguitar I ended up buying the FM9. The built in virtual capo sounds good but has latency due to the fact that it is digital so the drop pedal, at least to me is a necessity. You don't need a whammy at all with the FM9. I haven't hooked one up yet, and I have it set to toggle between wah and whammy currenly butttt... due to the fact that you only get one pitch block a whammy couldn't hurt if you use it often and also use octave or detune effects. Fractal is amazing in every way. Going to keep one setup with the FM9 and also keep one setup with a combo of analog / digital to run with my EVH stealth.
I used to own an Axe Fx 2. Sold it and went the Helix route. I recently picked up a Tone Master Pro (it was on sale). Eventually, I will go back to Fractal.
I’ve had a Helix LT, Headrush and in between them have had a GT1000 and core three times! Got frustrated, sold, brought it again rinse and repeat 😂 Sticking to Gt1000 Core quite happily now mainly because I think I have finally understood it. Fractal interests me and I love that they are small and independent. If I ever get some cash, that will definitely be the next one to go for (but I’m not selling my Core ever again!)
I actually have a pretty good track record identifying if what I'm hearing is an hx product. Fractal, kemper, and QC are definitely closer though and harder to pick out. 🤷🏻♂️
I’ve had a helix LT since they came out, and it’s all I’ve used, so swapping camps has always been a little scary, but the main thing keeping me from fractal, even though the amps are probably better, is just the UI. I like to use my stuff, and not spend a million years tweaking. Helix I can grab and make up a tone in minutes on the device. If I was a strictly home player, I’d love a fractal. One day, perhaps.
I sold my QC and bought an FM3, the UI was painfully bad, the pc editor was a must for me, but the windows 95 style menus were pretty uninspiring. I really they release something with a much improved UI
I would say that most of the rig rundowns that I see on pro stages that are using digital solutions are Kempers. The AFX being a close second. Most of the AFX stuff I see on rundowns isn't being used for the amp modeling, it is being used for the effects. (Which are world class, by the way.)
Happier with where my modeler/sim rigs are than where my valve stuff is at currently so I'm getting an ENGL Fireball 25 on Boogie open-back 4x10 cab and probably H90. Use my Diezel VH4-2 Preamp and BOSS IR-2 with it.
@@BOSSenjoyer yeah man! Out of all my amps, that one is perfect. Easy to dial in, perfect headroom, AND it doesn’t “look” like a lunchbox! There was a channel they did a comparison against the fireball 100 and the 25 sounded better! I have the limited 25 red version with matching cab they made 16 of from factory (not sure if you can customize them or not) but it was a limited run for one of the sellers.
Boss & Roland I will use forever. Doesn’t matter if something else is better. It’s all about what you like and prefer. There’s way too many modelers out there it’s insanity
I love the sounds of Fractal I think it’s the best on the market but the TMP is the best looking one on the market and sounds great itself. I would have to save to buy an FM9 but I could play as I pay with a TMP.
Tried em all and the Tone Master Pro is actually my favorite 🤷♂️. Fender models sounded better than Fractal to me and thats what I play 99% of the time
@@georgemavimbela Agreed, it's just so intuitive. I can build a full on parallel stereo preset from scratch and EQ it how I like on the TMP within minutes. That same process would take me probably a good half hour plus on my old FM9 (trying to edit on the unit. The editor software is better, but still nowhere near as easy as on the TMP)
Never tried the QC, but the Helix, and almost all the amp sims available on the market (Genome is a very goog alternative). The FM3 is just a big step beyond everything. I use mainly Vibro Lux / Deluxe verb for the cleans and ODS-100 HRM / Brit 800 Mod / Friedman HBE for OD sounds. In my home studio, and even if the effects are may the best in this product range, i replace the FM3 effects by a SDE3000 & a Seventh Heaven / LiquidSonics + custom IR's. The sounds in the monitors are just massive !
I had invested in many good pedals to partner with a couple amps. Spent way more money than an FM9, and the Fractal amps and effects are equally as good if not better. For the average player who just enjoys playing at home and gigs locally you can't beat the Fractal. There are so many great presets available out there, along with tweaking or creating your own.
I have a Helix, HX Stomp, Quad Cortex and an Axe-Fx III and I have to admit if I had to sell them they'd all go except the Axe. If I was playing out I'd probably get and FM9 Turbo. I love the small size of the Quad and it's ridiculously easy to use and powerful but if I had to use it live I think that without scribble strips it would be a big problem. I also don't know how strong those foot switches are so if you stomp on them too much is it going to effect them as encoder knobs.
I really enjoy all of the modelers, and they sound great using them as a preamp with various types and styles of power amps. Its so strange how some of us who play in a regular bar, county fair or whatever complain so much about a little weight. In my case it depends on what i feel like bringing. It might be guitar with: fm9 tube power amp and cab, or fm9 with laney powered cab or cabs, axe fx 3 in rack with synergy power amp or whatever. I always run my line out 1 to FOH. I think it all sounds great, however if your a tube amp guy i think these modelers in your room sound /feel slightly better with tube power. Of course that's my opinion if your a digital guy you would most likely say solid state in your room sounds better. I think from a tube power amp to a miced cab sounds and feels different than running digital or tube power through an I.R to p.a speaker. If i listened to myself playing I would hear the difference pretty quickly, however if i listed to someone else on their equipment switch back and forth I wouldn't be able to tell. They are all good choose what works best for ya, cheers
I have the fm9 and I love most things about it. You can really dial in your sound with a lot of details. One problem I have is that there’s a 1/2 second delay when switching from one scene to another. Not sure how to fix that.
Fractal gear is a bit hard to get here, when I was looking for a top tier modeler a used QC popped up so I got that instead, haven't been disappointed.
@@Eric-dd8bk It does kind of matter, because it signals quality and reliability. If no professional chooses to use a certain product, there might be something wrong with it. Luckily in the world of modelers, we have plenty of examples of guitarists playing Fractal, Kemper, Neural DSP and a few guys also play Helix, so it's pretty diverse.
@@Eric-dd8bk I agree, the word PRO is useless, it's all about the quality of the sound. I am a tube guy, but if one day modelers are good enough I will use them.
Also take into account in many non uk us or eu countries anything other than line 6 or fender is hit with savage import tax and sometimes not available at all which narrows choice significantly
Had some pedals, then bought an HX Stomp, hated it, founds the sounds good, but hated the UI. Went back to pedals, but getting pedals gets expensive. Sold almost all my pedals except for 5 staple pedals and I bought a Quad Cortex after the plugins became available. So far I love the sound, user interface I find it to be so much easier to navigate and I love the size. The fractal stuff looks great, but I think the QC in the long run might be the best choice for me.
I use an HX Stomp, as it is small enough to sit on my desk, and I don't need to bend down to use it's knobs. I use Helix Native if I need to create a Preset that exceeds the DSP in the Stomp, or if I want to explore some very complex ideas displayed on a computer monitor.
If the Helix took me forever to figure out how to use it in all its applications, then the Fractal stuff will end any hope of ever getting the yard work done.
A question... Is it possible to toggle at footswitch 1 between preset 1 scene 1 and 2... At footswitch 2 toggle between preset 2 scene 1 and 2 und footswitch 3 toggke betwee preset 3 scrne 1 and 2......? And witch an boss ft6 have scene 3 and 4 on the two switches depending on which preset is running... What i mean is quick access to scenes 1 to 4 at the presets 1 to 3... 12 sounds
Edge and Vai etc stopped touring their larger, vintage gear mostly due to transport costs. Kemper and Fractal both sound good, and ToneX and others are rearing up.
@@georgemavimbela The real thing still sounds better. But these digital devices are smaller, weigh less and can be replaced easier on the road these days if need be. Those who won’t compromise on sound, eg Lukather, still tour with real amps, pedals etc.
The Fractal ecosystem is years ahead of its closest competitor. The constant improvements, as you say, are unmatched. The algorithms are always improving and becoming infinitely more detailed. The improvements come as the owner sees fit, or discovers something new. Cliff is the intangible benefit that other modelers don't have. I look at other units more as toys. The Axe Fx 3 is a professional unit for serious players, and for people for whom money is not an object. It's worth every penny. The only potential "downside" is that the menus are extremely detailed and options paralysis can set in. Best to just not touch a parameter if you have no idea what it is, (e.g, bias excursion).
Fractal just blows everyone away and then how often the update and supper they’re products by improving them when honestly we already thought them they don’t. Have to make them better they could just make you buy a new one
But I can’t walk into a music shop in Puerto Rico and buy a replacement Fractal off the shelf. That’s the only thing. Yamaha owns Line 6, so they sell them globally and I can get HX Stomp or Helix Floor in many different places and destinations. Plug into my laptop and boom. I’m back in service.
Recently watched a few videos where it shows Plini, Haken and Kiko Loureiro(While in Megadeth) were using the quad cortex live. Not just for effects either, clearly Megadeth are one of the biggest metal bands in the world. Plenty of pros choose QC too, plenty of pros also still choose tube amps.
Amigo hope you`re doing great quick question Can i save or organized my amps on the FM3 or FM9 by Brands like Fender on a folder Marshalls on another the mesa and so on please let me know thank you
I know 100 gigging guitar players who did not choose Fractal. Boss pedals are still the main effects. I have seen Boss pedalboards covered in dust and beer stains that have been used, abused and working for 30 years. I use a Boss IR-200 to feed a PA from the Slave Out of a Mesa Boogie Mark V. Three Channels covers 99% of sounds needed. My HSS Stratocaster covers 99% of all sounds needed. People who have a Fractal still use only a handful of sounds such as Fender Clean, Marshall Crunch, Vox Chime and High Gain Rectifier. I use a Boss SDE-3000EVH for excellent delay. I have switched to the Reverb in the new Boss GX-10. I admire people who can make a Fractal work. If you are not able to make a Fractal work on stage you are going to have to have a backup of Boss pedals. I have seen smart guys switch to Boss pedals when they don't have any time to troubleshoot why a Fractal is not working. It's the complexity that makes it a boondoggle for the stage. Some gigs I just plug straight into the amp with no effects. The audience does not know the difference. On a Fender Deluxe Reverb, you can play clean up to 5 on the Volume dial, turning up the dial on the Volume after 5 does not make it louder, it just gets more distorted in a good musical way. Many times going into a lead, I just turned the volume dial up either on the amp or my guitar. After 50 years of gigging, I know how to get great sound instantly without any need of a Fractal. In a recording studio where you might have 100 takes of one part, a Fractal might be useful, but 99% of my playing time is one take. Many times I practice with no amplification at all.
I’m thinking of going from Helix to FM9. Are the factory presets in the Fractal as amazing as they sound on TH-cam? It just seems I have to tweek everything on the Helix to sound good.
@@johnny5494No experience with the FM9. Look for and Check out a side by side video of a Helix vs FM9 and form your opinion. I prefer my floor form factor, output options and work flow of the helix. Then standard, Ultra and Xl worked but I found the Helix a breath of fresh air after 10years of Fractal. YMMV🤗😎
@@johnny5494 Current Axe FX3 user here, was previously using Helix Rack. The presets in Axe FX3 are very usable, unlike those on the Helix. I believe the presets on the FM9 are similar. I tend to use them more as a starting point for my own presets, such as stealing amp or fx module settings from them or copying them entirely to start fiddling. But for what they are trying to do, they are very usable even as is.
Late to this one but fractal is king in my humble opinion. My fm3 does a great job of giving me what my amplified nation dumble clone gives me. And the accessibility is almost too good to be true sometimes
In my very limited exposure to multi FX units that I have heard on TH-cam, it was only always the Fractal effects and amp models that I could not distinguish between real stomp boxes and real tube amps. That only changed recently for amps when I heard the Tonex captures. But I still haven’t heard anything outside of Fractal that does effects as convincingly true to the stomp boxes. But too much of a learning curve and too expensive for me. Can’t push myself to buy a Helix because it just doesn’t seem to nail the authentic tones and the Fender Tone Master, while getting close to the Fractal‘s quality, and easier to use, is still a budget buster.
If you're going to be using the FM3 as an audio interface then I would pass as there are issues with it such as manual offset compensation when recording that Fractal will not fix
The fractal is the moddeling equivalent of the tardis ! The manual was a must (for me anyway) but once you nut out the work flow it's fine... and yes the fx are superb, the modulations especially,3 dimensional and organic! Blind spot - not for beginners!!
0:45 That's NOT maestro Mayer showing off Fractal gear - that's a dry acoustic fed into the FOH PA with a little compression added. The FM9 is adding NOTHING here...if it's used at all ;)
I recently bought a FM3 turbo. I'm a sound tech and musician, and love the detail and flexibility of the emulations. long time tube-snob, but if you learn the unit it's fantastic. sounds like a 1 to 1 of my amps into impulse responses. IR mixing and matching is kind of an art in itself.
I think nothing can’t beat a real amp with Loadbox feeling and Dynamics
Although All those Multifx are really good and sound phenomenal but nothing cant beat the real Deal (Amp)
Agree 100% but real amps are costly.@@ccamacho9333
@ccamacho9333 You said a bunch of things and put in words that negate what I think you're trying to say. "Nothing cant beat", which I presume is meant to be "can't", but then you're saying "nothing cannot cannot beat". Your sentences are a confused mess.
I also love my FM3. I started with an HX Stomp, which I kept because it's easier to dial in and smaller. But after having the FM3 for a year and getting used to its complicated interface, I just can't argue with the sounds of both the models and effects. I love the sounds. I had an experience recently where I was considering buying a Fender Princeton Reverb. Instead, I pulled up the Princeton Reverb model in my FM3 and it's great. I'm playing through a little Henriksen amp and it fills the room and sounds and plays like the real amp. Then, to be able to add a Zen drive before, or a beautiful reverb after the amp, within the unit -- it sounds so good. Excellent sounds and tons of flexibility. But be warned, there is a learning curve, especially compared to the stomp.
I own a FM3 came from helix and I won’t go back! It sounds amazing. I just saw Def Leopard and Phil & Vivian use Axe Fx III and it was a wall of guitar sound! Best I’ve ever heard at an arena venue. If you’re thinking of getting into fractal don’t hesitate. Little learning curve on the interface and FM3 Edit on pc or Mac but again just buy it! John and Leon are great resources for. fractal. Thank you John!
I gigged with an axefx 3 for a year and then downsized to the FM3 and used it for a year and loved both of them. After gigging and owning all the modelers now, I think that the Fractal stuff sounds the best but the tonemaster pro has been my favorite to use live because of how user friendly it is, the great I/O flexibility, dead simple to tweak and adjust mid-song if needed and I honestly feel like it's build quality is the best on the market.
The amount of work it takes to get the FM3 sounding better than the TMP is pretty big and trying to do anything with the fractal almost necessitates watching a youtube tutorial to understand how to do it vs the TMP making it really intuitive.
Went through a large number of different Line6 products before I bought an Axe FX II XL, was super happy for several years before jumping on the hyped Quad Cortex bandwagon, now I'm back with an FM3 MkII Turbo and i’m not looking back, Fractal is for me number 1
Yeah, QC is kinda underwhelming in comparison, isn't it? Had FM3, bought a QC. It disconnected me so much from my playing. I sold it and re-discovered my FM3 months later. Unfortunately, the FM3 (and its tweakability) has a tendency to kinda steamroller me and to cause option paralysis, but there are moment I find myself just noodling for an hour, being super happy. I don't remember ever having had such moments on the QC.
@@Mr_Bolliehonest question (trying to decide between FM3 and Quad Cortex) - why did the QC feel underwhelming for you? I would hope it would be more ready for a “plug and play” experience, so it would help with just playing rather than tone chasing all day?
@@nunolance23 With the QC I ended up tweaking more than i played that thing. However, things have changed in the meantime: I fellout of love with the FM3 again and bought the QC a second time just to give it a try, hoping that firmware 3.x.x was better. I captured my favorite amp and now it's quite the opposite. I barely tweak, I mostly play. So yeah, back on QC again, and definitely happier with it. Also easier to create a patch on than on the FM3. Moreover, if you ever touched an H90 or Boss GT1000, you will notice that the FX in the QC are better than their reputation, IMHO. ;D
I've got an FM3 and must admit (as a die hard tube amp player) that it sounds incredible, easy to use (when using the editor software) and amazingly versatile.- Plus it keeps getting better with every firmware update. The lack of VST isn't really an issue for me as it works vey well with Logic Pro via my Apogee Element 24.
Went from Headrush to FM3 (with a bunch of NDSP plugins on MBP in between). FM3 is stunning. I have a PRRI, too, but the FM3 is just an amazing piece of gear. And John's presets are the greatest deal in presets anywhere!
After they nailed down gapless preset switching, it became a no brainer to me honestly. Their scenes were already better in my opinion because you could have 4 amp models that worked like amp channels. Every other modeler needs multiple amps in one preset, or compromising and trying to make the "high gain" modeled channel sound like mid-gain.
Now i just can't decide which of the units I want haha.
This 4 amp model "channel" thing is what ultimately made me make the jump from Helix to Axe FX3. For some things I do I need three amps in a patch. I could never get happy with Helix using distortion/OD/EQ prior to the amp and/or snapshot parameters on the amps to get all three the way I wanted. Could always get two of them just right and had to compromise on the 3rd. With Axe FX it is a no brainer. Once I got it, the the sheer processing power just blows away the Helix, and there is no explicit connection between an fx location and a processor. So the frustrations with worrying about whether I can add another fx to my chain and go over 100% on one of the processors, or having to move the fx blocks between processors to get them both under 100% is just gone.
I’m always super impressed with the Fractal stuff in TH-cam clips, but GUI and fast workflow are hugely important for me.
Love the vibe of the opening jam. Sounds are very cool too. Playing goes without saying
Just finished dialing in a live rig for the FM3 using the Lonestar models with 2 expression pedals. Setting up 3 pedal ranges in combination with Fractal’s flexible foot switches allowed expansion into 12 sounds. Using several equa-metric paralyzers provided maximum use of the neck pickup on a larger PRS hollowbody! It’s perfectly glorious!
I’m very happy with the FM3. Small but mighty 😎
Fractal has nerdy and geeky engineers who are also tone freaks which is great for as tone freaks. The other brands have software engineers loading algorithms. 😂
Don't forget the per performance and global knobs, they definitely make on the fly adjustments easier. Also, double pressing A-B-C-D-E encoders take you to Amp, Drive, Cab, Delay and Reverb respectively.
I couldn’t decide so I bought an FM9. I am happy with it.
All this bickering about which is better reminds me of the apple or android thing. Chevy or ford thing.
I am playing and I am happy.
But Android and Ford are better!
One thing you didn't mention is that an Axe-Fx or Axe-Fx Ultra now cost about the same as one Strymon pedal. The unit Steve Vai declared "tonally perfect" is within reach of almost any serious guitarist. I still use my 2010 Ultra as my main rig. I paid £2000 for it back then and don't regret a single penny. But it is now worth about £450.
If it sounds good, it is good.
Will it eventually just brick up and be useless?
@@nickm.9474 don't think so, why should it, if you don't physically damage it.
It's not like you could accidentally install malware or something.
Fractal fm3 mk2
….everything you need , regular improvement updates and new gifts like the stealth blue amp … wonderful
I had the helix LT and used for some time. Some great sounds out of that but the tone master pro works for me. Sounds great direct and it’s fab when using the orange pedal baby through a cab. Modelling has come such a long way and it’s nice seeing so many quality units out there now. Long may it continue!
I've been Team FAS for as long as I could be (it ain't cheap...gimme a break...lol). Bought my Axe-FX II SEVEN YEARS AGO, so to celebrate, I decided it's FINALLY time to upgrade. My shiny new Axe-FX III Turbo should be here Thursday. Can't wait!!! FAS is the GOAT.
Well, I played Kemper for about 10 years and meanwhile I can say that I know how it works. I gigged with it from clubs to large venues and it's totally reliable. But I never had an amp like feeling in terms of response. I built a wet/dry/wet rig then using a Revv amp and it was a totally different feel. To get a backup I ordered the FM3 using the Revv Generator in Green Mode and it blows me away. Kemper is years behind. Processing power, the modelling, response on the volume knob... it's unbelievable. And the switching is just smart...and last but not least the editor... another dimension.
I like the fact you get actual hardware capacitors on the input that switch based on certain effects that are first in the chain to load your pickups impedance just like a fuzzface would for example…..if I sound like I know what I’m talking about I clearly don’t lol
I had the QC, Boss GT-1000, Hotone 2 stomp as well as the HX Stomp before finally trying a Fractal FM3. For some reason I thought it was focused on metal high gain amps and sounds like that but it has the best clean and breakup sounds I've heard. I've never heard such realistic Fender Brownface/Tweed/Blackface sounds before. I find the FM3 is way better than all of the other amp sims I've owned, especially when it comes to the amp sims. Both when it comes to the quality of the sound and the amp feeling you get as well as how detailed everything is. The closest one in terms of sound quality was actually the Hotone 2 (to my ears). The effects are also great but the Helix and Boss have a lot of amazing effects too.
If you want the most realistic amp sim where you can get both realistic amp-in-the-room sounds (Fractal has the best room reverb algorithms) as well as perfect studio recording sounds, just go for a used FM3 like I did. Not that much more expensive than a new GT-1000 or HX Stomp. And you get all the new updates just like the FM3 Turbo (only 10 % difference when it comes to DSP and some bigger screens, nothing else). I'd obviously prefer an FM9 for live use but the FM3 works for me as I don't do that many gigs anyway. Most of my use is rehearsing with my band and home recording/playing around.
I bought one a while back. The Helix replaced it because of ease of use. I did appreciate the chocolate and the lady I spoke to was lovely!
Again excellent video John! I am really liking the heliosphere delay in the HX. I actually have 2 in my signal chain. One which always on for short delay and other for really spatial ambient delay. With the reverb it can really get into Strymon territory with a nice bloom.
Long time fractal user here. Besides the sound quality I think they're are three things someone who is considering diving into the modeling world and they are. 1) the editing environment on the device. 2) the editing environment on the editor and 3 the culture or support forums etc which for fractal is excellent.
Although some of my favourite artists have advocated for Quad Cortex, I’m going to be buying an FM3. Really can’t wait. You and Leon Todd have been a big part of that decision.
I have had every one of rhe big name modelers (headrush boss line 6 kemper quad cortex). The fractal stuff blows everything away. I started with the axe fx3 mk2 but now I have a fm3 mk2 turbo and I love it. Easily the most realistic amp like modeler out there
@@iann8733Love to hear that. I’ve been ‘that guy’ that keeps rocking up to band practice with new gear every few months - just tone chasing and never satisfied. What’s your setup for the FM3? I’ve only got studio monitors for now and a BOSS Katana. No FRFR as yet.
@@Chris_NouvelliHi Chris. I've got the Fender FR-12, and I LOVE it!!!
@@Chris_Nouvelli Your studio monitors should be Full-range, Flat Response, so you don't need a "FRFR". Those marketed as FRFR speakers are generally a lot more powerful though. Studio monitors should serve you well for practice and recording at home, and a FRFR floor monitor/speaker for use on gigs. You can find some nice comparisons on the Thomann channel and with EytschPi42. John Nathan Cordy himself also has some videos on this.
@@brianmiller3287 Cheers, Brian. Heard good things about the FR-12 - seems to come up often as a benchmark for other FRFR speakers.
I'm sort of a traditionalist when I comes to amps. I like tube driven amps. I decided to try the Fractal Audio FM-3 Turbo (bought it). Boy! This thing is a tone monster and you can tweak every parameter. The only this that was an obstacle was that there were too many choices... Once you find your favorite amps and effects, you are largely covered.
I always laugh when people complain about how complex Fractal gear is. Fractal is PROFESSIONAL gear. Professional gear is complex by nature. It is aimed at someone who is extremely knowledgeable and can make use of the complexity the gear offers. With that said, it’s only as complicated as you want to make it. The stock settings and presets they offer are amazing. You don’t have to menu dive if you don’t want to (and I actually would encourage you to avoid it unless there is something specific you know you want to change). Even if you only ever play their premade presets you will get an immense amount of enjoyment out of these products, they just sound that good.
First, quick note about your playing: so tasteful! Just gorgeous note choices and “vocalizing”.
I’ve been an Axe-FX user for almost 14 years now, through the different versions, starting with the Ultra. I’ve owned and loved other gear, too - Strymon in particular, also many others. I’ve gone “Fractal-free” for periods of time during gear binges, essentially recreating an “outboard Axe-FX” sans an actual Axe-FX. But I always ended up back at the Axe-FX. I have two Axe-FX III MkII units now in the studio (one is Turbo), and if I ever get my live gigging act together I’ll buy another for live use. Other modelers are awesome! But Fractal is the mountaintop. You’re right: it’s hard to convey why in a video or with words. It can sound like fanboi speak. But it’s actually true: for the money, it’s at the top of the mountain. The effects alone - aside from the amp/cab models - are as good as Strymon effects. And the constant refinements and improvement, and in some cases complete algorithmic overhauls, constantly moving the ball further down the field just makes Fractal gear the best for the money.
My main question is how noticeable is the difference with the impedance adjustment (or lack of) is on the fm3 compared to the fm9/fx3 and how much does it matter?
I have used a Helix LT for about 7 years in all sorts of situations but due to never gelling with FRFR I am back to a real (Victory RK50) amp and using Helix for FX - to the point I think I just need an FX unit. The ability to model is still very handy in certain situations but unless everyone is on in ears it sounds weird in the room to have guitar coming out the PA, especially if there is another guitarist with an amp. I think it's about time to revisit all these new modellers. I know Rabea used the QC at Glastonbury but the Fractal stuff seems to be loved by Vai and others for its effects - not the amp modelling or emulation. I had an FX9 and the FX really were a level above most of the other options at the time. Guthrie is using the FM9 on Aristocats tour and with Hans Zimmer I think too
I bought fractal 6 months ago and from the start intentionally i didnt use Fm3 editor, coz i wanted to create patches on the device itself. M not gonna lie, its not that difficult. People are so used to touch screens and easy hold and drag these days that they dont wanna fun with dial things on their own, this is the main problem.
Now i can create patches with comfort on live gigs if needed. I think everyone must know their instrument in and out to bring out its highest potential. Just dont depend on PC, do it in ur hardware and have some fun. I love the layout of Fm3 and sounds are top notch.
amazing playing!!
As always, truly amazing playing.
I love and use fractal on daily basis including live just because I truly believe, that Cliff Chase is the biggest nerd when it comes to understanding and modelling the physics of amps, effects and cabinets. Truly incredible, this guy.
I pulled the trigger on an fm3 recently after using a boss katana for a while. My mind is absolutely blown. Literally any sound I want to make, I can. The only limit is my personal ability and understanding. This is very fitting for the overall nature of guitar playing in general.
Just ordered Pv4 my first Fractual. Will always have a stomp handy tho
Not saying a lot of pros don't use fractal but most of the pros in touring bands that I know are using Kemper / Quad Cortex on their international rigs if they're using modellers/profilers.
I'm been using Fractal gear since 2015 and I must say, I've rarely, extremely rarely, ever done anything on the front panel. The Fractal editor is top notch and very easy to use and I just figured that there was no need to learn how to do more than the basics on the hardware.
Every day I look at all my gear.. 4 pedalboards, analog pedals, Helix, Tonex x2, Boss GT1K. Wonder why I spent all that money over the years when I could have just gone Fractal from the get go and saved myself time, money, and headaches. With the exception of maybe my amps, drop pedal and Whammy V I would have gone straight to Fractal.
"Every day I look at" comments like this and instantly see the truth - paid shills.
To be honest you just need the drop pedal for the fm3 not sure about the 9 but the main model I think handles it. And yes adding a whammy is good but not needed I use whammy up and down and wah with one expression pedal. I only use those soloing mostly so I put the wah on one then hold function for whammy up and another hold for whammy down tho I think it would men nice to just dedicate one for volume which I used to use on my board just never needed it with the fm3. God I love these things
@@justinplaysguitar I ended up buying the FM9. The built in virtual capo sounds good but has latency due to the fact that it is digital so the drop pedal, at least to me is a necessity. You don't need a whammy at all with the FM9. I haven't hooked one up yet, and I have it set to toggle between wah and whammy currenly butttt... due to the fact that you only get one pitch block a whammy couldn't hurt if you use it often and also use octave or detune effects. Fractal is amazing in every way. Going to keep one setup with the FM9 and also keep one setup with a combo of analog / digital to run with my EVH stealth.
I used to own an Axe Fx 2. Sold it and went the Helix route. I recently picked up a Tone Master Pro (it was on sale). Eventually, I will go back to Fractal.
When I go to gigs the things I notice the most are probably kempers, followed by helix. Can't say I ever really notice fractal stuff.
I’ve had a Helix LT, Headrush and in between them have had a GT1000 and core three times! Got frustrated, sold, brought it again rinse and repeat 😂
Sticking to Gt1000 Core quite happily now mainly because I think I have finally understood it.
Fractal interests me and I love that they are small and independent. If I ever get some cash, that will definitely be the next one to go for (but I’m not selling my Core ever again!)
Hey my issues is what frfr or powered monitors i can use with My modelers..
I do like the sounds of the fractal a lot (more than Helix) but I’ve been using the Line 6 M9, find it so much easier to deal with
Fractal stuff is great. Definitely in a completely different league tone wise than line 6 stuff. Way more realistic sounding
Bet you couldn't tell the difference if you weren't looking at the which pedal they were using
I actually have a pretty good track record identifying if what I'm hearing is an hx product. Fractal, kemper, and QC are definitely closer though and harder to pick out. 🤷🏻♂️
I’ve had a helix LT since they came out, and it’s all I’ve used, so swapping camps has always been a little scary, but the main thing keeping me from fractal, even though the amps are probably better, is just the UI. I like to use my stuff, and not spend a million years tweaking. Helix I can grab and make up a tone in minutes on the device. If I was a strictly home player, I’d love a fractal. One day, perhaps.
I switched from LT to fractal, UI is not bad at all and axe edit is amazing. The “fractal UI bad” is mostly misinformation
I have one. I don’t like the software either. It’s over my head as a beginner. And the fractal bot looks childish
I sold my QC and bought an FM3, the UI was painfully bad, the pc editor was a must for me, but the windows 95 style menus were pretty uninspiring. I really they release something with a much improved UI
A device with fractals technical backend, and a UI/UX like the TMP would be an absolute dream of mine, and I would spend a lot of money for it!
I love the QC for live use and the ability to adjust your settings on the fly. Not seen a modeller that can do it as well as the QC.
shame it sounds like shit
I would say that most of the rig rundowns that I see on pro stages that are using digital solutions are Kempers. The AFX being a close second. Most of the AFX stuff I see on rundowns isn't being used for the amp modeling, it is being used for the effects. (Which are world class, by the way.)
Happier with where my modeler/sim rigs are than where my valve stuff is at currently so I'm getting an ENGL Fireball 25 on Boogie open-back 4x10 cab and probably H90. Use my Diezel VH4-2 Preamp and BOSS IR-2 with it.
I love my fireball 25
@@TheStinkyDinkyBand It's probably best in its class.
@@BOSSenjoyer fractal or the fireball?
@@TheStinkyDinkyBand Fireball
@@BOSSenjoyer yeah man! Out of all my amps, that one is perfect. Easy to dial in, perfect headroom, AND it doesn’t “look” like a lunchbox! There was a channel they did a comparison against the fireball 100 and the 25 sounded better! I have the limited 25 red version with matching cab they made 16 of from factory (not sure if you can customize them or not) but it was a limited run for one of the sellers.
I’m still using my AX8 live and studio, super happy with it. I can’t even imagine how good the new stuff sounds….Fractal is very good company
my dawg peed on mine and it still had to me the best lead preset ever and i wish i knew how to fix it… ax8 is kinda betterthan qc
Boss & Roland I will use forever. Doesn’t matter if something else is better. It’s all about what you like and prefer. There’s way too many modelers out there it’s insanity
infinitely more pedal companies than modeling companies....
I love the sounds of Fractal I think it’s the best on the market but the TMP is the best looking one on the market and sounds great itself. I would have to save to buy an FM9 but I could play as I pay with a TMP.
Tried em all and the Tone Master Pro is actually my favorite 🤷♂️. Fender models sounded better than Fractal to me and thats what I play 99% of the time
The graphics of the Tone Master Pro are just so inspiring
@@georgemavimbela Agreed, it's just so intuitive. I can build a full on parallel stereo preset from scratch and EQ it how I like on the TMP within minutes. That same process would take me probably a good half hour plus on my old FM9 (trying to edit on the unit. The editor software is better, but still nowhere near as easy as on the TMP)
Axe FX III was the silver bullet for me, I tried them all.. 40 years and finally got it right.
Steve Vai is using the effects ftom fractal as long as i can think... There must be a reason he does this.
Never tried the QC, but the Helix, and almost all the amp sims available on the market (Genome is a very goog alternative).
The FM3 is just a big step beyond everything.
I use mainly Vibro Lux / Deluxe verb for the cleans and ODS-100 HRM / Brit 800 Mod / Friedman HBE for OD sounds.
In my home studio, and even if the effects are may the best in this product range, i replace the FM3 effects by a SDE3000 & a Seventh Heaven / LiquidSonics + custom IR's. The sounds in the monitors are just massive !
Neal Schon of Journey now has the FM9 on his pedalboard.
I had invested in many good pedals to partner with a couple amps. Spent way more money than an FM9, and the Fractal amps and effects are equally as good if not better. For the average player who just enjoys playing at home and gigs locally you can't beat the Fractal. There are so many great presets available out there, along with tweaking or creating your own.
I have a Helix, HX Stomp, Quad Cortex and an Axe-Fx III and I have to admit if I had to sell them they'd all go except the Axe. If I was playing out I'd probably get and FM9 Turbo. I love the small size of the Quad and it's ridiculously easy to use and powerful but if I had to use it live I think that without scribble strips it would be a big problem. I also don't know how strong those foot switches are so if you stomp on them too much is it going to effect them as encoder knobs.
I don't generally like modelers, but you got some killer sounds in this video.
Love FAS gear. The switching capabilities are also in a different league.
I really enjoy all of the modelers, and they sound great using them as a preamp with various types and styles of power amps. Its so strange how some of us who play in a regular bar, county fair or whatever complain so much about a little weight. In my case it depends on what i feel like bringing. It might be guitar with: fm9 tube power amp and cab, or fm9 with laney powered cab or cabs, axe fx 3 in rack with synergy power amp or whatever. I always run my line out 1 to FOH. I think it all sounds great, however if your a tube amp guy i think these modelers in your room sound /feel slightly better with tube power. Of course that's my opinion if your a digital guy you would most likely say solid state in your room sounds better. I think from a tube power amp to a miced cab sounds and feels different than running digital or tube power through an I.R to p.a speaker. If i listened to myself playing I would hear the difference pretty quickly, however if i listed to someone else on their equipment switch back and forth I wouldn't be able to tell. They are all good choose what works best for ya, cheers
I have the fm9 and I love most things about it. You can really dial in your sound with a lot of details.
One problem I have is that there’s a 1/2 second delay when switching from one scene to another. Not sure how to fix that.
Fractal gear is a bit hard to get here, when I was looking for a top tier modeler a used QC popped up so I got that instead, haven't been disappointed.
are pros just using the effects with real amps?
Metallica haven't used real amps anymore; they've only been using Fractal since around 2015
@@whiteeyezx5766 Metallica? Big deal. I want to see the rock players like Angus Young using modelers. It won't happen anytime soon.
@@myuncle2
Does not take anything away from the value of modelers.
Who cares what pros use what gears?
@@Eric-dd8bk It does kind of matter, because it signals quality and reliability.
If no professional chooses to use a certain product, there might be something wrong with it.
Luckily in the world of modelers, we have plenty of examples of guitarists playing Fractal, Kemper, Neural DSP and a few guys also play Helix, so it's pretty diverse.
@@Eric-dd8bk I agree, the word PRO is useless, it's all about the quality of the sound. I am a tube guy, but if one day modelers are good enough I will use them.
Also take into account in many non uk us or eu countries anything other than line 6 or fender is hit with savage import tax and sometimes not available at all which narrows choice significantly
Had some pedals, then bought an HX Stomp, hated it, founds the sounds good, but hated the UI. Went back to pedals, but getting pedals gets expensive. Sold almost all my pedals except for 5 staple pedals and I bought a Quad Cortex after the plugins became available. So far I love the sound, user interface I find it to be so much easier to navigate and I love the size. The fractal stuff looks great, but I think the QC in the long run might be the best choice for me.
I use an HX Stomp, as it is small enough to sit on my desk, and I don't need to bend down to use it's knobs. I use Helix Native if I need to create a Preset that exceeds the DSP in the Stomp, or if I want to explore some very complex ideas displayed on a computer monitor.
Is the FM3 worth getting in 2024?
It'll be worth getting in 2034
@@deltafit 😂
If the Helix took me forever to figure out how to use it in all its applications, then the Fractal stuff will end any hope of ever getting the yard work done.
Hahaha...just plug a computer into it, man. Axe-Edit makes everything SUPER quick and easy.
A question... Is it possible to toggle at footswitch 1 between preset 1 scene 1 and 2... At footswitch 2 toggle between preset 2 scene 1 and 2 und footswitch 3 toggke betwee preset 3 scrne 1 and 2......?
And witch an boss ft6 have scene 3 and 4 on the two switches depending on which preset is running... What i mean is quick access to scenes 1 to 4 at the presets 1 to 3... 12 sounds
How many $ from G66 and Fractal 😂?
Edge and Vai etc stopped touring their larger, vintage gear mostly due to transport costs. Kemper and Fractal both sound good, and ToneX and others are rearing up.
I don't think it was costs but the stability, convenience and unchanging sounds with digital
@@georgemavimbela The real thing still sounds better. But these digital devices are smaller, weigh less and can be replaced easier on the road these days if need be. Those who won’t compromise on sound, eg Lukather, still tour with real amps, pedals etc.
Fractals are a popular choice for pro players, but I see quite a few Boss GX100 units on stages around the place currently
The Fractal ecosystem is years ahead of its closest competitor.
The constant improvements, as you say, are unmatched. The algorithms are always improving and becoming infinitely more detailed.
The improvements come as the owner sees fit, or discovers something new. Cliff is the intangible benefit that other modelers don't have.
I look at other units more as toys. The Axe Fx 3 is a professional unit for serious players, and for people for whom money is not an object.
It's worth every penny.
The only potential "downside" is that the menus are extremely detailed and options paralysis can set in. Best to just not touch a parameter if you have no idea what it is, (e.g, bias excursion).
How would you compare sounds and effects to a Kemper Stage?
Fractal just blows everyone away and then how often the update and supper they’re products by improving them when honestly we already thought them they don’t. Have to make them better they could just make you buy a new one
estou amando os seus videos e muito obrigado por isso :)
lol I’ve had my fm9 for 7-9 months.. play every weekend. I think I’ve touched 3 physical buttons on it
But I can’t walk into a music shop in Puerto Rico and buy a replacement Fractal off the shelf. That’s the only thing. Yamaha owns Line 6, so they sell them globally and I can get HX Stomp or Helix Floor in many different places and destinations. Plug into my laptop and boom. I’m back in service.
waiting for my FRACTAL FM3!
Recently watched a few videos where it shows Plini, Haken and Kiko Loureiro(While in Megadeth) were using the quad cortex live. Not just for effects either, clearly Megadeth are one of the biggest metal bands in the world. Plenty of pros choose QC too, plenty of pros also still choose tube amps.
I went from Helix floor to Fractal FM9 and never looked back.
Amigo hope you`re doing great quick question Can i save or organized my amps on the FM3 or FM9 by Brands like Fender on a folder Marshalls on another the mesa and so on please let me know thank you
The comment section reminds me once again why i never read comments on TH-cam anymore. People spouting absolute garbage they have zero clue about.
...like what...
Yet here you are!!
@QuickSticks8771 Yep indeed. Once again filled with regret.
I have fm3 mk1. Is it worth it to upgrade to mk2?or any suggestion what pedal to add to my current mk1 to match the dsp of mk2?
I know 100 gigging guitar players who did not choose Fractal. Boss pedals are still the main effects. I have seen Boss pedalboards covered in dust and beer stains that have been used, abused and working for 30 years. I use a Boss IR-200 to feed a PA from the Slave Out of a Mesa Boogie Mark V. Three Channels covers 99% of sounds needed. My HSS Stratocaster covers 99% of all sounds needed. People who have a Fractal still use only a handful of sounds such as Fender Clean, Marshall Crunch, Vox Chime and High Gain Rectifier. I use a Boss SDE-3000EVH for excellent delay. I have switched to the Reverb in the new Boss GX-10. I admire people who can make a Fractal work. If you are not able to make a Fractal work on stage you are going to have to have a backup of Boss pedals. I have seen smart guys switch to Boss pedals when they don't have any time to troubleshoot why a Fractal is not working. It's the complexity that makes it a boondoggle for the stage. Some gigs I just plug straight into the amp with no effects. The audience does not know the difference. On a Fender Deluxe Reverb, you can play clean up to 5 on the Volume dial, turning up the dial on the Volume after 5 does not make it louder, it just gets more distorted in a good musical way. Many times going into a lead, I just turned the volume dial up either on the amp or my guitar. After 50 years of gigging, I know how to get great sound instantly without any need of a Fractal. In a recording studio where you might have 100 takes of one part, a Fractal might be useful, but 99% of my playing time is one take. Many times I practice with no amplification at all.
Well said, a ray of sunshine in this thread full of Fractal shills. Keep it real!
Fractal will forever be the only platform for me.
I’m using helix for years and I like it , I do feel fractal sounds better but I do think they are too expensive to get the fm9 etc
Owned and dove deep into the rabbit hole on 3 Axe FXs, now use Helix floor which does what I need. Different strokes kind of thing……
I’m thinking of going from Helix to FM9. Are the factory presets in the Fractal as amazing as they sound on TH-cam? It just seems I have to tweek everything on the Helix to sound good.
@@johnny5494No experience with the FM9. Look for and Check out a side by side video of a Helix vs FM9 and form your opinion. I prefer my floor form factor, output options and work flow of the helix. Then standard, Ultra and Xl worked but I found the Helix a breath of fresh air after 10years of Fractal. YMMV🤗😎
@@johnny5494 Current Axe FX3 user here, was previously using Helix Rack. The presets in Axe FX3 are very usable, unlike those on the Helix. I believe the presets on the FM9 are similar. I tend to use them more as a starting point for my own presets, such as stealing amp or fx module settings from them or copying them entirely to start fiddling. But for what they are trying to do, they are very usable even as is.
Late to this one but fractal is king in my humble opinion. My fm3 does a great job of giving me what my amplified nation dumble clone gives me. And the accessibility is almost too good to be true sometimes
In my very limited exposure to multi FX units that I have heard on TH-cam, it was only always the Fractal effects and amp models that I could not distinguish between real stomp boxes and real tube amps. That only changed recently for amps when I heard the Tonex captures. But I still haven’t heard anything outside of Fractal that does effects as convincingly true to the stomp boxes. But too much of a learning curve and too expensive for me. Can’t push myself to buy a Helix because it just doesn’t seem to nail the authentic tones and the Fender Tone Master, while getting close to the Fractal‘s quality, and easier to use, is still a budget buster.
If you're going to be using the FM3 as an audio interface then I would pass as there are issues with it such as manual offset compensation when recording that Fractal will not fix
Can you recommend a good FM9 tutorial for people who are new to digital marketing?
I think I want a fm3 as my first modeler. But then I hear sounds like jc2203 mid gain and I think to my self how much I hate the sound of a modeler. 😢
The fractal is the moddeling equivalent of the tardis !
The manual was a must (for me anyway) but once you nut out the work flow it's fine... and yes the fx are superb, the modulations especially,3 dimensional and organic!
Blind spot - not for beginners!!
0:45 That's NOT maestro Mayer showing off Fractal gear - that's a dry acoustic fed into the FOH PA with a little compression added. The FM9 is adding NOTHING here...if it's used at all ;)
Helix Floor>Marshall SV20H jumpered + Marshall DSL40 head>Marshall 1960A cab dual mono 8 Ohms ❤️❤️❤️