Struart Sutcliffe was so handsome and it seems to me a very vulnerable artist and his girlfriend Astrid was also beautiful, I think before the Beatles became a famous band, their few fans considered Pete Best and Stuart two most handsome men in the band
LATHOM HALL by Bill Harry It was at Lathom Hall on 14 May 1960 that an incident occurred with troublemakers. In 1966, Neil Aspinall was to recall that the group was often a target for gangs who would shout insults at them because they were either looking for a fight or were annoyed that their girls fancied the foursome. For the sake of peace, the group ignored the taunts. (For the record, the most popular Beatle was Pete Best. By a landslide with their female fans.) “But it wasn’t easy,” said Neil. “At Lathom Hall…two troublemakers followed Stu Sutcliffe into the dressing-room muttering things like ‘Get your hair cut, girl!’ John and Pete saw this and went after them. A fight broke out and John broke his little finger…It set crooked and never straightened.” Pete Best was also to recall the Lathom Hall incident. He said: “When we’d done our session and came off, we changed, which didn’t take an awful lot of time because we basically played in which we stood up in. Stu went out, followed by John and myself. “These lads started a fight with Stu after picking on him. We got to know about it because some people ran back to the side of the stage where we had come from and said, ‘Stu’s getting the living daylights knocked out of him.’ “So John and I dashed out. We threw a couple of punches, sorted things out and pulled Stu back in again. Then we turned to the lads and said, ‘What the hell’s going on? What the hell are you picking on him for? He hasn’t done anything. We’re only here to do a job, we’re playing; so go away and behave yourselves.’ And it was left at that. “The fact that John and I had pitched in and got involved made these lads feel a certain amount of respect for us….as a result of the fight John broke a little finger. He still managed to play for a couple of gigs after that. He hadn’t complained …the next time we saw him he had a splint on it. “When people talk of Stu being beaten up, I think it stems from this incident. But I don’t remember Stu getting to the stage where he had his head kicked in, as some legends say, alleging that this caused his fatal brain haemorrhage. “For as long as I was with the band I can only remember two incidents when fists were thrown and Stu was involved. The Lathom Hall incident aside, the other occasion was at the Top Ten Club, and that was between Paul and Stu. Paul took the mick out of Astrid and Stu lost his temper and took a swing at him.” Stuart was never injured during the Lathom Hall gig, but this is where another apocryphal Beatles story had its origins. In the book ‘The Man Who Gave the Beatles Away’, by Allan Williams and Bill Marshall, journalist Marshall admitted that he just took the bones of Williams’ memories and elaborated on them, exaggerating the violence, swearing and sex. In the book he writes, “It was on such a night that Stuart Sutcliffe received the injuries, which I believe hastened his death a couple of years later. Stuart was attacked outside Litherland Town Hall, where the Beatles played regularly, and was kicked in the head by a local thug. From then on he complained to me often of severe headaches.” This is hindsight presuming too much. According to Stuart’s mother, who Stuart revealed everything to, his headaches only began following a fall in Hamburg. Despite the fact that the Williams story was false, it was taken up and elaborated on by writers such as Philip Norman and began to take on a life of its own. In Chet Flippo’s book ‘McCartney: The Biography’, he writes, “In the middle of a jive night at Lathom Hall in Seaforth…that was the night that Stu was attacked and kicked in the head by Teds who didn’t like the Silver Beats’ looks.” Yet Pete Best, though confirming that John suffered a broken finger, clearly states that Stuart was never kicked in the head and was relatively unharmed. Even more bizarre is Albert Goldman’s accusation in ‘The Lives of John Lennon’ that John was responsible for Stuart’s death. “He had gotten into a quarrel with Stu at Hamburg…suddenly John was seized by one of his fits of uncontrollable rage. He lashed out with hands and feet…when he came to his senses he looked down and saw Stu lying on the pavement.” Goldman said that, as a result, John felt completely responsible for Stu’s death. This is complete fiction, but of such stuff, myths are made.
You missed something. Stu Sutcliffe was involved in a very bad back-alley fight and was struck in the head numerous times, with kicks to the head, by an attacker in Liverpool, England and then a latent reaction, brain aneurysm caused his death later in Hamburg, Germany. Lennon was also involved in the fight fending off Stu's attacker.
Yes but there’s no proof that was the cause of the aneurysm. It had also been said that John Lennon kicked him in the head one night. I don’t want to speculate because I don’t know nor does anyone the true cause!
There is no hard evidence that Sutcliffe took a beating and it lead to his death. Astrid's mother said that Stu fell down the stairs coming from his attic studio and banged his head on the way down.
@@GsBeatlesWings There was an article online about Stu Sutcliffe's post mortem. They said it had nothing to do with a fight after a gig. They think it's either congenital...(born with it)...or an aneurysm...an AVM...which is a malformation in the connection between an artery and a vein. They said that it had nothing to do with a blow to the head. Look up - A Medically Informed Post-mortem On Stuart Sutcliffe. It's online.
I had no idea Stuart was a redhead! These are such excellent photographs! You provided so much information about his family and his background, thank you. TBH, I don't think anyone regarded him as a musician, so I don't think his playing had any impact on The Beatles' sound. But his girlfriend Astrid is responsible for The Beatles' signature hairstyle. She had styled Klaus Voormann's hair in a bob to hide his ears and Stuart liked it so much he asked her to do the same for him right away. The Beatles liked it and George was the next to have it done. The rest followed except Pete Best, I think because he had curly hair or something. I loved watching your video and learning about Stu's short life. He certainly left us too soon. ❤
@@GsBeatlesWings It's maybe just the terminology used. But they're not wrong. Especially when it gets to September 1966, cuz that's when people in The Beatles inner circle start dropping like flies. By August 1967 you'd have ten people all very closely associated to them either through business, relationship, or friendship, dead. And they keep dying. Their lawyer was dead a little over a year after their manager died. Problem is, he told everyone someone was out to kill him.
You hear all kinds of stories and , one I heard was poor Stu got kicked in the head during one of their gigs by the teddy boys and rivals .Like John said Liverpool is a typical rough seaport town . The other part of the story is they found a indentation in Stu's skull from being kicked by a hobnail boot ?
He was very handsome and a talented painter and he was gentle in manners, such a tragedy. R.I.P
So true
Struart Sutcliffe was so handsome and it seems to me a very vulnerable artist and his girlfriend Astrid was also beautiful, I think before the Beatles became a famous band, their few fans considered Pete Best and Stuart two most handsome men in the band
I visited his grave 2 summers ago. Left sheet music of Love Me Tender there.
WOW Thats incredible! ♥♥♥
LATHOM HALL
by Bill Harry
It was at Lathom Hall on 14 May 1960 that an incident occurred with troublemakers. In 1966, Neil Aspinall was to recall that the group was often a target for gangs who would shout insults at them because they were either looking for a fight or were annoyed that their girls fancied the foursome. For the sake of peace, the group ignored the taunts.
(For the record, the most popular Beatle was Pete Best. By a landslide with their female fans.)
“But it wasn’t easy,” said Neil. “At Lathom Hall…two troublemakers followed Stu Sutcliffe into the dressing-room muttering things like ‘Get your hair cut, girl!’ John and Pete saw this and went after them. A fight broke out and John broke his little finger…It set crooked and never straightened.”
Pete Best was also to recall the Lathom Hall incident. He said: “When we’d done our session and came off, we changed, which didn’t take an awful lot of time because we basically played in which we stood up in. Stu went out, followed by John and myself.
“These lads started a fight with Stu after picking on him. We got to know about it because some people ran back to the side of the stage where we had come from and said, ‘Stu’s getting the living daylights knocked out of him.’
“So John and I dashed out. We threw a couple of punches, sorted things out and pulled Stu back in again. Then we turned to the lads and said, ‘What the hell’s going on? What the hell are you picking on him for? He hasn’t done anything. We’re only here to do a job, we’re playing; so go away and behave yourselves.’ And it was left at that.
“The fact that John and I had pitched in and got involved made these lads feel a certain amount of respect for us….as a result of the fight John broke a little finger. He still managed to play for a couple of gigs after that. He hadn’t complained …the next time we saw him he had a splint on it.
“When people talk of Stu being beaten up, I think it stems from this incident. But I don’t remember Stu getting to the stage where he had his head kicked in, as some legends say, alleging that this caused his fatal brain haemorrhage.
“For as long as I was with the band I can only remember two incidents when fists were thrown and Stu was involved. The Lathom Hall incident aside, the other occasion was at the Top Ten Club, and that was between Paul and Stu. Paul took the mick out of Astrid and Stu lost his temper and took a swing at him.”
Stuart was never injured during the Lathom Hall gig, but this is where another apocryphal Beatles story had its origins. In the book ‘The Man Who Gave the Beatles Away’, by Allan Williams and Bill Marshall, journalist Marshall admitted that he just took the bones of Williams’ memories and elaborated on them, exaggerating the violence, swearing and sex.
In the book he writes, “It was on such a night that Stuart Sutcliffe received the injuries, which I believe hastened his death a couple of years later. Stuart was attacked outside Litherland Town Hall, where the Beatles played regularly, and was kicked in the head by a local thug. From then on he complained to me often of severe headaches.” This is hindsight presuming too much. According to Stuart’s mother, who Stuart revealed everything to, his headaches only began following a fall in Hamburg.
Despite the fact that the Williams story was false, it was taken up and elaborated on by writers such as Philip Norman and began to take on a life of its own. In Chet Flippo’s book ‘McCartney: The Biography’, he writes, “In the middle of a jive night at Lathom Hall in Seaforth…that was the night that Stu was attacked and kicked in the head by Teds who didn’t like the Silver Beats’ looks.”
Yet Pete Best, though confirming that John suffered a broken finger, clearly states that Stuart was never kicked in the head and was relatively unharmed.
Even more bizarre is Albert Goldman’s accusation in ‘The Lives of John Lennon’ that John was responsible for Stuart’s death. “He had gotten into a quarrel with Stu at Hamburg…suddenly John was seized by one of his fits of uncontrollable rage. He lashed out with hands and feet…when he came to his senses he looked down and saw Stu lying on the pavement.”
Goldman said that, as a result, John felt completely responsible for Stu’s death. This is complete fiction, but of such stuff, myths are made.
You missed something. Stu Sutcliffe was involved in a very bad back-alley fight and was struck in the head numerous times, with kicks to the head, by an attacker in Liverpool, England and then a latent reaction, brain aneurysm caused his death later in Hamburg, Germany. Lennon was also involved in the fight fending off Stu's attacker.
Yes but there’s no proof that was the cause of the aneurysm. It had also been said that John Lennon kicked him in the head one night. I don’t want to speculate because I don’t know nor does anyone the true cause!
There is no hard evidence that Sutcliffe took a beating and it lead to his death. Astrid's mother said that Stu fell down the stairs coming from his attic studio and banged his head on the way down.
@@beatlejim64 Agree no one knows what caused it.
@@beatlejim64 < Both Pete Best and John Lennon said so in interviews.
@@GsBeatlesWings There was an article online about Stu Sutcliffe's post mortem. They said it had nothing to do with a fight after a gig. They think it's either congenital...(born with it)...or an aneurysm...an AVM...which is a malformation in the connection between an artery and a vein. They said that it had nothing to do with a blow to the head. Look up - A Medically Informed Post-mortem On Stuart Sutcliffe. It's online.
I had no idea Stuart was a redhead! These are such excellent photographs! You provided so much information about his family and his background, thank you. TBH, I don't think anyone regarded him as a musician, so I don't think his playing had any impact on The Beatles' sound. But his girlfriend Astrid is responsible for The Beatles' signature hairstyle. She had styled Klaus Voormann's hair in a bob to hide his ears and Stuart liked it so much he asked her to do the same for him right away. The Beatles liked it and George was the next to have it done. The rest followed except Pete Best, I think because he had curly hair or something. I loved watching your video and learning about Stu's short life. He certainly left us too soon. ❤
Awe thanks so much I really appreciate it!
The photos are colorized...
@@beatlejim64 Yes they are.
Poor lad, gone too soon.
Oh absolutely so sad honestly
Very handsome
Oh yeah!
As per Memoirs, Stu was first sacrifice in a long line of Fab deaths
That is a very sinister way of looking at it. People make their own choices at their own free will and that’s another way to look at it!
@@GsBeatlesWings It's maybe just the terminology used. But they're not wrong.
Especially when it gets to September 1966, cuz that's when people in The Beatles inner circle start dropping like flies. By August 1967 you'd have ten people all very closely associated to them either through business, relationship, or friendship, dead. And they keep dying. Their lawyer was dead a little over a year after their manager died. Problem is, he told everyone someone was out to kill him.
Do you know when the pete best history going to come out
Not sure the exact date but probably between the 24-26
You hear all kinds of stories and , one I heard was poor Stu got kicked in the head during one of their gigs by the teddy boys and rivals .Like John said Liverpool is a typical rough seaport town . The other part of the story is they found a indentation in Stu's skull from being kicked by a hobnail boot ?
There are a lot suspicious stories out there but nothing can be proved.
It’s produced Egg burth (Igburth Drive) 👍
Thank you there’s a couple of words like that for me.
He was born where?
Scotland
@@GsBeatlesWings Where in Scotland?
June 23, 1940 Edinburgh Scotland..
@@beatlejim64 It sounder like somewhere i n Germany, a place called Indenberg.
Next can you please do pete best please thanks you and let me know when it's going to come out
Sure 😀