Tinsmithing Demonstration: Reproducing a US Civil War Tin Cup
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- A demonstration, given online as a presentation to the Early American Industries Association annual meeting, May 20-22, 2021, showing how I make a reproduction US Civil War tin cup, based on one in the collection of the American Civil War Museum in Richmond, Virginia. In the video, I discuss details about the cup, and show the various steps I take, using antique tinsmith's tools, to reproduce it. You can check out the EAIA's website at: eaiainfo.org/
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Thank you for showing so much, it's been very interesting
My great grandfather was a tinsmith when he was alive, I wish I could have met the guy, he also served in WW2 and survived until one year before I was born, heck I have some of his tools and they have served me well, a lot better than tools made nowadays.
My wife and I just spent the day yesterday taking a class with Chris Hagemann and made a cup. What a great time!
Awesome video! I found one of those tipping machines, just like yours in a scrap pile last week..glad i saved it. Going to clean it up and put it to use..Thanks again!!
Very interesting, Karl. I always wondered exactly how you do your tinsmithing. I've followed you on Facebook for years but never really understood what you do. I never thought to look for you on TH-cam so I'm just now finding this video you made. You have people from all over the world watching this. Pretty cool!
Thanks, Robert!
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Thank you so much for this. I wish there were more of these types of videos out there. Would you ever consider sharing the dimensions of the pattern you created? Also could the decorative groove be created using a burring machine if someone isn’t lucky enough to have a turning machine yet? 😉
Thanks for your kind comments. It takes a lot of time to make videos like this, which is probably why they're aren't more of them. The final video may only be 35 minutes or so, but it represents many hours of work, both shooting the video segments and the editing. Here's the link to the cup at the American Civil War Museum. The basic dimensions of the cup are included in this listing. acwm.pastperfectonline.com/webobject/1B3CCB1A-8C03-4B46-B85F-818649960060 You could try using a burring machine for the decorative bead, but I can't promise it will look the same.
Love the video. I took an introductory tinsmithing class at Old Sturbridge Village this spring. It was a 2 day class of about 8 hours a day making a server, a cup, a sconce, and a pail. I learned to dread burring the circles for the cup and pail bottom along with making sure I had plenty of bandages. I think I must have cut out at least a dozen circles trying to get a somewhat even burr for the bottom of that cup. We also used swages to create the beading for the cup and sconce backing which was very noisy with just 4 people so I can easily understand using the machine to do the beading.
The interesting thing is that we used a 50/50 mix of tallow and pine rosin that was heated on a candle warmer to make it a liquid. The instructor said they had found records of a CT tinsmith who was buying a lot of tallow but his records didn't show he was selling candles or anything made from the tallow. They eventually figured out the smith was mixing the rosin and tallow to make a flux that was liquid when kept warm. I thought it was an interesting bit of history detective work.
Many thanks for your comments. Glad you enjoyed the tinsmithing workshop at Old Sturbridge Village. I assume you took it from Richard Eckert?
I enjoyed the video and I can certainly appreciate the skills required to make it seem easy. Well done!
Awesome video. Tinsmithing needs more porple like you that are willing to share there knowledge. I hope to see more in the future. Thank you.
Thanks for the demonstration! 👍
What guage is the tin?
That's mentioned in the video.
Fascinating. Thanks for a great video!
Thanks for the video, great work!! Greatings from a blacksmith/coppersmith from Portugal.
From you making that one cup I learned so much about the Tim smithing tools I inherited thank you I applaud you for that
Great video. Loved every minute.
my files: look in the channel
Moving on past your Tim-plates where did you purchase ALL of your products?
All of my products? You mean the machines and other tools?
Hi Karl. Enjoyed the vid! Wondering if you can provide contact info at the ACWM Richmond for obtaining their instruction sheet for making that cup? I went on their website but could see no place where it was listed, or how to go about requesting one. I am the site manager for a historic (late 1870's era) Tin Shop in Murfreesboro, NC and would like to make an authentic one. Thanks and good luck on your future projects.
Hi, Susan. Many thanks for your comment. There's no instruction sheet for the cup. I re-created the cup based solely on the photographs and dimensions in the digital archive listing.
I expected a deep and gravelly voice, like Robert Shaw!
I'll work on that, using his monologue in Jaws as a model. LOL
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great demo pard *LIKED* and *SUBSCRIBED* --LT
Thank you, kindly!
@@dakotatinworks I'll share your video to a few Midwest Civil War Facebook pages.
@@1stminnsharpshooters341 Thanks very much!
Wow, that was really nice work. Thank you for sharing. What is the solder flux you used?
It's a rosin powder.
So back then would they have pure tin? I can only find aluminum or steel with tin in it i believe
No, tinplate has always been a tin coating on steel (or sheet iron, earlier).
Great work, Carl! 👍
That cool, Is it possible that you can make tin cans for canning
No, sorry. For canning, I'd recommend glass jars.
Make more videos 👍
What is the ground resin flux made from.
It's pine sap.
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Very useful. Please upload more.
They would have had to have some kind of Mass Production of Methods for Tin Smithing or they would never have supplied the country. Nice talent excellent Vid..
Great instructional material. I am looking for such a Tinsmithing genny but my search has been in vain. Who could help a pensioner out - from South Africa?
Where do you source your tin? Thanks
Paul Barnhart of Barnhart Studios. You can contact him via email: paul@barnhart-studios.com
Is there a way to burr the cup pieces without the machine? Also do you NEED the rosin during the soldering?
Hi! Great video! Where can one obtain the hot-dipped tinplate? I am trying to get into historical reenactment, and I would like to portray an 18th century whitesmith. Thank you!!
Wonderful video
Who did you say the one and only vendor was?
One and only vendor of what? Please specify.
Great video. I'm doing a replication project at Uni atm. It's an oil lamp. I have no machine to do the burr on the bottom of the little pots. Have you any ideas how I could do that process but only with hand tools please? Thanks. 👍🏼
Boa tarde, Gostaria de saber mais sobre essa incrivel máquina de dobrar pois tenho uma e ela é muito difícil de achar aqui no Brasil, Já pesquisei mais não acha nada sobre ela.
Você teria alguma informação dela?
Whats the name of the powder
Rosin flux.
Any more videos coming?
Yes, but not sure when. They take lots of time to do right.
Эта зиговка еще царскую россию помнит.Я видел такую в книге по жестяному делу за 1905 год
Where do you buy your tin
Hot-dipped tin is available from Paul Barnhart. See my response elsewhere in this thread for his email address. Electroplate tin is available from Reynold Services in Pittsburgh, PA. You can find them online.
Apologies if I missed this in the video. Is the flux you use for soldering powdered Rosin from pine trees? Thanks!
Yes, it is. In some places, it's called colophony.
Excelente vídeo. Obrigado por compartihar seus conhecimentos.
Who is the vender in the U.S. that you mentioned in your video for hot dipped tin plating? I am getting started in tin smithing and I am looking for somewhere to purchase tin sheets.
Paul Barnhart of Barnhart Studios. You can contact him via email: paul@barnhart-studios.com
Thank you for the informative video.
Great video,very informative
Olá , por favor ,gostaria de saber qual matéria é esse que o Sr usa como ácido para o estanho grudar , ele me parece sólido
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It's called rosin -- ground pine sap.
Where would I research to get into this kind of craft? I already blacksmith and would love to add to my skillset.
The best way to become a tinsmith is to apprentice with someone who is already a tinsmith. Or at least take some workshops with a working tinsmith. Depending upon where you live, there may be such workshop offerings in your area.
thank you for the response, I will try and research what is available in my area.@@dakotatinworks
Hi Karl. Thanks for the reply on the ACWM. Btw, have you ever used a 'creasing stake? Are you (or anyone out there) aware of any vids showing one in use? Thanks in advance.
I use a creasing stake all the time. It's part of the standard set of stakes tinsmiths use. I don't think anyone has a video showing how it's used.
@@dakotatinworks So do you just use a blunt chisel or perhaps a wooden tool, or do you use one of those "hinged hammers", and which do you prefer?
Where can I get the traditional tin sheets. I can’t seem to find any when searching on the internet
Paul Barnhart of Barnhart Studios. Contact him via email: paul@barnhart-studios.com
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What gage of sheet did you use for this cup?
It's 28-gauge hot-dipped tinplate.
Muy lindo
Great video, great rolling machines too, i didnt realise they used to solder them, i thought they were riveted and had bent seams.
I wonder do you mate the tin plates of the same era and have you thought about doing that video? 😉
I'm not sure I understand your question.
@@dakotatinworks do you make 1800s tin plates?
Sorry fat fingers.
I buy my hot-dipped tinplate from Paul Barnhart of Barnhart Studios. It would be difficult to make tinplate. Even in the 17th-19th centuries, tinplate was made in an industrial setting, not by individual tinsmiths.@@munchh2007
@@dakotatinworks i think you are misunderstanding me, TIN PLATES that you eat off, civil war era tin plates.
Ah, I see. Sorry. I've made tin plates (for eating off) in the past, but given that there's so much of that kind of thing coming from India and China, I don't try to compete with that market. During the Civil War, most tin plates were stamped in factories, and I don't have that kind of stamping equipment in my shop. There are other ways to make plates, of course, but I don't think I'd make a video about it, given how much time it takes to make the video (and the plate).
Question:whats the cheapest way to weld tin?
Tinplate gets soldered, not welded, so the cheapest and really only way to do that is with a soldering iron, min. 100-watt. I use a soldering iron that's designed for stained glass work. Anything under 100 watts and you'll have trouble melting the solder and joining the pieces of tinplate.
Awesome video! Now let's see a crooked spout coffee pot!!!
Thanks for the suggestion, but future videos will focus on introductory things like tools and techniques, rather than the more complicated examples of tinsmithing.
What are you using for flux?
I discuss the type of flux in the video.
What is the powder you use ?
It's pine rosin.
Who pays you?
Pays me for what? Making this video? No one. If you're talking about my tin work, I'm self-employed.
the word soder has an L in it SOLDER NOT SODER TAKE NOTE
I understand that that's how it's pronounced in the UK and some other places where British English is common, but that's not how it's pronounced in the United States.
Wow, this is really cool! I'm very big into metal crafts, been going for 10 years on steel, always wanted to mess about with tin. How on Earth did you get started with this craft, sir?
Karl took a tinsmithing class at Eastfield Village, near Albany, New York.