Wing chun and Aikido (Kormushin and Mikhailov)
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- Варианты применения техник вин чунь в практике айкидоки ёсинкановца.
Юрий Кормушин и Дмитрий Михайлов.
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Very interesting approach! Wing Chun is very useful as an atemi (opening strike) before proceeding into Aikido techniques, as shown in the video. Wing Chun's sophisticated yet effective blocking and deflecting techniques are perfect to set up certain Aikido techniques. Wing Chun and Aikido have similar approaches: simultaneous block and attack; and entering (intercepting) into an attack (irimi in Aikido term).
This is an excellent video. Its amazing how these two styles gel into each other. Wing-Chun (close range), into Aikido (very close range). I believe this works best if one learns Wing-Chun first (as i have). I've see it attempted the other way around and the Aikido guys find it difficult to find the flow
Brian Matlock its because its easier to learn "retain centre" first then "moved around opponents centre" first
first you control your centre then you learn to move off it
the other way around will leave you stuck moving off centre when you're suppose to keep it
Brian Matlock The only other art i would recommend is kali because the hand motions are equialent and very natural for open hand, knife, sword and stick. It is also offensive where wing chun and aikido are defensive arts that use the opponents energy against them. Not a knock on wing chun or aikido but a trained boxers will inflict ALOT of damage too on any art due to the barrage and precise nature of that art.
Ultimately, the masters all seem to converge on the same understanding irrespective of the path chosen.
ZFlyingVLover aikido throws can knock you out and a strong enough wing chun combo should be able to quickly, boxing is no better at ko then aikido nor wing chun
+ZFlyingVLover While I'd certainly agree with you in the case of Aikido, Wing Chun actually doesn't have a huge bias towards offence or defence. I tend to find it adapts quite well to either role, depending on what you want to do, since when used offensively you can rely on your training to block when needed, leaving you free to move in and attack your enemy. Wing Chun can actually be pretty vicious when attacking.
I will agree with boxers though, they can be a pain. There are ways around them though, and at the very least my school teaches some techniques specifically to help deal with boxers, since they are a recognised danger (given that I live in the UK). At the very least, they're not a danger until they get to a decent level too, so it really depends on how much training each person does. xD
I just now realized aikido uses a frontal stance, to maximize their grabbing, pulling and pushing leverage. Right off the bat it made me think of wing chun, because they too prefer to keep their stance the same, but for different reasons. There are some very great similarities between the stances, I wish this video had translations though, just to get the finer points across. Still watched the whole vid, says a lot on its own.
my respect to both! i dont understand the language but i understand the martial art language! very very nice idea! im a wing chun student and i give my respect to the aikido master for not showing off him self because i can understand that this is wing chun master's idea! you don't see often a master of any art wanting to learn something else! really nice work to all!
If you learn wing chun very well you will be an excellent fighter
But wing chun or tsun is very difficult and long term way remember
Also many teachers are not good teachers
Wing Chun teaches itself to those who listen and are sensitive enough to learn.
But one must have a good teacher to learn chi sao properly and without force.
This is what I've been practicing for a long time Wing chun Aikido Judo savote boxing and Hakko ryu Jujutsu and Daito ryu Aiki Jujutsu.I love all these arts and will practice them as long as I live.I hope I can practice for another 40yrs.
originally i thought as you did. but after studying in asia and training under masters who had compiled records (including video, and personal notes of great fighters) I learned the Bruce was a very accomplished fighter. He had many fights in asia, and even helped to modify several styles here. he is one of two people who are people claim to be undisputed as a great fighter and a master of the arts and for good reason. I also had the chance to study his style. I find it very effective and fun.
Excellent job! I really appreciate this idea of combining Aikido and Win Chun since it has a lot of potential. It is very clear and intelligent explanation of the conception. Thanks for sharing and demonstrating your idea.
Wing Chun is the best principle that will teach you your own techniques. Thats where Bruce came feom and developed JKD.
Glad to see this video up. We combined our Aikido with Wing Chun and Muay Thai. Were also on TH-cam and plan on putting more videos up. Just search Hiriki Aikido
Very nice work .. I'm a Wing Chin guy and have always thought that Wing Chun and Aikido would work well together..
really really nice! Long time I was looking for people mixing Aïkido and Wing Chun.
very good demonstration on how to combine Wing Chun with Aikido
Thank you both sensie for sharing on both martial arts its a big help for additional knowledge for me.
Aikido "Ai" "Ki" "Do" translates to the art (or path) of harmonizing energy (ki). The goal of Aikido is not to clash with an opponent with striking but to redirect his force. It can be as gentle or harsh as the person wants it to be. The reason you don't see videos like this is because Aikido practitioners do not seek conflict in any form. They practice not so they can defeat boxers or MMA fighters in a ring but so they can defend their lives if the need arise.
Chi Sao (sticky hands) is not a combat thing, but a training excercise. It helps us train to feel the power and direction of an attack. This skill is only necessary, if one of our "light punches" do not hit home, but are blocked. In this case, what we learned in chi sao helps us not get stuck on the block but move around it. Saying that you never saw someone use chi sao reliably against non-wing chun style is like claiming you never saw a boxer beat someone with a punching ball.
This man has extremely fast reflexes and fluid line familiarization. He could probably train in any style now and intuitively use what is best for him and adapt it to many situations.
My sensei who has been practicing Aikido for more than half of his lifetime, has said it's best to focus on one martial art at a time. Mixing will only result in confusion and improper balance.
Very good demonstration ;) I couldn't understand the Russian but they clearly demonstrated how effective both arts are. There seems to be some similarity with both arts.
dont forget that aikido is a gentle blending art rooted in very harsh daito-ryu aikijujutsu. wing chun combined with aikido/daito-ryu ajj is an awesome and powerful approach to self defense.
Как же приятно, когда на камеру говорят без всяких "ааа", "эээ"
I do not understand your language, but the video is very good and informative none the less. Thank-you.
Thank you.
The level of my aikido changed from practice to a battle by favor.
Me and a Friend "fight as friends". He is an Wing Tsun (called?) "Sifu", and i have some Aikido Experiance. So if we fight a always say "that is realy hard to fight against you, because if i am not careful engough you get me so fast". BUT i have say that realy same to him. And it was realy Interessting we BOTH take technices from the other to learn from each other. Now i know some WT, and he takes little bit of my aikido. And yes we both say, that helps realy much! What i try to say is.. it is NOT like "aikido is better" or "WT is better", realy not! Its more, the mix of both martial arts make a realy interessting style!!!
Aikido and Wing chun are two of the most original martial arts. With others deriving from them Aikido and wing chun are rarely not used in the basis of a fight. From these two martial arts came the most important principle, centre line.
When you see Aikido practiced with the actual weapons then it all makes sense. The empty handed techniques are nothing more than drills that simulate the same lines of attack and the full commitment that one would use if wielding a sword (katana) or spear (naginata). I'm Shotokan, but I've researched far beyond my practiced style. The study of other arts helps me to understand my own art better. I don't simply rely on senseis to teach me. I want much more.
Great video. I wish there were subtitles, but what's great about martial arts is it's very visual.
at last someone who speaks sense,people forget its not about going out and taking people apart,thats the movies,or for the mma people,actual traditional martial arts are excactly that arts from bygone days,you train ,learn and go on ajourney of evolving ur mind body and spirit.its not whether u r a black belt/sash etc its that you get the best from ur arts,ballet dancers show grace and skill through years of practise and sometimes painful training otf their art,yes ART.
Very nice video. I enjoyed watching it, and look forward to seeing more.
great demostration masters! i hope many masters in future works in this mode, collaboration is important for MA Great video! great work! great tecnicque i respect you!
I know, a very close friend of me practices Wing Chung for 23 years now. To me, the differences between both martial arts are very clear. Wing Chung also uses defence, but is in is base more offensive and effective. The 'flow' is explosive and fast. Aikido can be also very effective, but demands less physical effort.
No dislike here. Just wanted to point out that: 1) There are different styles of Aikido with different ways of how to handle your opponent. 2) There are many One-Hand-Techniques in Aikido as well. Or techniques that force the opponent to protect himself with his second hand. 3) I think the goals of Aikido and WC are different. An Aikidoka wants NOT to harm the opponent but to give the contenders time to think about their actions. If necessary, an Aikidoka can still incapacitate the opponent...
i love all the comments about training #, i try to get 4-5 hours of it combact, weight lifting, doing flips and what not, plus conditioning, one thing i love about martial arts is even if i don't know what they are saying i still get it and learn from it
interesting combination . An intuitive extention and convergence of themes
Rolling Hands is a "Bridge" between forms and fighting. There are a lot of beneficial factors involved and these can be carried forward into real world applications of sensitivity, Position and correct use of stance timing plus energy. One would not expect a WC person to start rolling hands if attacked which may lead to the reason you may be slightly of track. I hope this may have helped you out.
Thank you for posting this !
Wow i hope Both of this great Martial artist inspire the world That peace respect and unity is needed for this worlds Martial artist and fighters
I love the simple approach of Wing Chun answer to a single telegrahed punch it will work every time if you (know) in advance whats coming at you how ever id like to see Wing Chuns defensive system when you are taken too the ground.
Very nice combinations. I have my own self-defence club (I am black belt in Karate) and we use similar techniques. We prefer low kicks when opponent is approaching and after that we block his hands. But it is necessary to train hand separately.
Nice demonstration!
I think you don't need a technique if you are faster than your opponent and also have better reflexes. If you are too slow no technique in the world can save you from beeing beaten up.
Still, I think that if you don't want to hurt others and still want to "defeat" them by exhausting them, then Akidio is a good way to achieve this.
ur right, there is a big difference in having 2 practice more than 1 discipline & merging them.
he is trying to combine win-chun and aikido ... starting with win-chun "entrance" and then continuing with aikido techique. Motivation is that win-chun allows to easily grab hands and continue in aikido style
Wing chun to enter into Aikido technics works well. Both work on similar principles of energiywork. They got similar technics in tenshin aikido (Steven Segal's style).
I don't speak but a handful of words in русский, but I do speak movement and can understand the gist of the conversation. Both styles involve flowing redirection, it is interesting to see their synthesis.
It is up to you if you are a blindly believe any of the styles can be compared but if ever fought for real you would know that when you are there the secret of success is not what you learnt but how you use it. All of these styles are inherited from a great master who could apply them without losing one single duel. The rest of the people learning it can only hope to get on this level. These style are only guidelines and in real case scenario things would happen different...
Well i already knew wing chun was beastly, but i'd never even heard of Aikido till just now, i gotta say its pretty impressive itself.
I don't understand what he is saying, but the demonstration shows it all. !
Согласен с Ю. Кормушиным, что Вин Чун отлично накладывается и на ударные и на борцовские техники.
Вопрос только в том, что научиться Вин Чун не так просто, как это может показаться на первый взгляд, как по мне.
Но тот, кто в совершенстве овладел этим стилем, может красиво вплести в него и Тай-цзы, и Багуа, и ...банальный бокс.
excellent demonstration
Спасибо за толковый комментарий!
"Герои" это видеоролика очевидно знакомы с боевыми искусствами весьма поверхностно, оперируют стереотипами, не зрят принципы соответствующих БИ, рассуждают о БИ с "высоты" техники, в то время как техника - это всего лишь воплощение принципа...
This is a pretty good example of Wing Chun but not very good of Aikido (I've almost mastered both and know from experience) Aikido is more about grabbing like twisting and using the opponent against himself meanwhile Wing Chun is Contact but usually peaceful and Self Defence
this is just a mix of both
ShavDance yea dude I speak from experience go master both and then come & tell me
+Ralicx Gaming yea dude, go learn russian and then tell me
If you were really a "master of both" you'd say that Wing Chun is a redirection of force. All martial arts are for self defense and only meant to be used when necessary. Wing Chun is based on techniques designed to defend yourself against attackers that are bigger than you, hence its creator is a woman.
The Last Sifu both are last resort meant only for self defence and many martial arts are made by females. Both arts are amazing but should not be used for provoking others.
That's why in Wing Chun you're always advancing on the opponent, if at all possible!
I don't know about Aikido, but WC only works if you're always closing the distance. In this case you can just advance on their centre line after you've rotated their upper body a bit with the initial block, and grab them after you've slapped the arm down and done your strike.
Though once you've grabbed them I'm not sure why you wouldn't just use one of WC's excellent grapple-breaks on the elbow/shoulder.
these are both really cool martial arts forms
Wing Chun is one of the greatest Martial Arts of all time. And can beat anything to date.
I enjoyed watching this. It's interesting to know that two types of martial arts have somewhat similar moves (wish i knew what i'm talking about here). Anyway, this video's really entertaining, plus, the guy in black shirt looks like General Zod from Superman: The Movie (1978). :-)
Please don't be ignorant. The origin of martial arts is this life and death struggle. The chances of somebody on the street threatening your life are fairly slim in most parts of the world today. In modern times, martial artists train in order to discipline themselves and keep this violent nature closer to their mind, in case it were to actually happen. Do not get me wrong, Aikido is not about hurting another person...except when they are trying to hurt you.
NO, Aikido is all about a sort of "go with the flow" motion. You use the energy of your opponent and it doesn't take a lot of physical effort, but a state of mind and balance. It's very efficient. Aikido is harmony. It's mainly defensive.
Ving Chun is offensive and more about speed and power. Of course Ving Chung is a lot more than just knocking someone down. It requires a lot of disciplin and staminin.
The combination of these martial arts is thrilling.
Very similar to what me and my brother do, we train in a style of ju jitsu that incorporates a lot of Aikido but also study kung fu, at first trying to mix the two seemed a little strange but they actually work very well together, many Aikido techniques are greatly enhanced by incorporating a counter move usually a strike first, simply to take your opponents mind of the move you are trying to apply. Have a way to go still but hopefully end up pretty good at both.
This is true after practicing Chi sao for a while. I was able to sense my opponent's next move. This is almost like mushin yet different.
Yeah it's called tactile Reflexes. A Importent cornerstone of wing chun.
I know this will be a late reply, but wing tsun and Aikido have 2 very different philosophies. The Wing Tsun concept is that the Straight line between us is the shortest distance. While in Aikio is focused on circular movements and evasion
Красавцы! Жаль у меня в деревне сложно найти подобные школы.
Great! Thanks, it shows the similarties of different styles, very practical presentation - there may be some different models/styles handling body attack and defence - but the physics behind is the same so also a martial art combat style cannot be cover completely something new - we all have hopefully two arms and two legs; Also I think a Martial art syle nevery deloped in an isolated think-pool but the styles influenced more or less each other - KaREL
Going to the ground is not taboo. It's just out of scope for today's lesson. The instructor is trying to teach standup grappling. In order for it to be learned it must be faced and not avoided. For example: when I spar w/ my son he will often retreat from me and try to gain distance. I cannot teach him properly the lesson of the day if he spends all of his time running like a scared chicken. However, in a real confrontation his retreat could be a valid response depending on the situation.
These wing chun techniques are great. I would liked have to have seen a little bit more " Aikido" also I believe to throw a straight punch you have to move with that punch also.
me parece fantastico tu enseñanza la utilizareen mi dojo saludos
renshi roberto saavedra , mexico harajitsu
"...but why do you think, there's not much trapping/jointlocking/standing submission grappling in MMAs combats?"
Because ground fighting would neutralize any attempt at trapping or locking. But that does not mean that trapping and joint locks don't work. It just means that they should not be attempted vs ground fighters and that's all it means. Trying to trap or lock in MMA will always lead to being taken to the mat. But ground fighting is not always possible in street situations.
7:47 here you dont need to do the complicated wing chun technique you can just grab his left arm and twist it above his right arm and then continue the rotation of the body this is called juji nage in aikido and i can tell you that even in the dojo it is hard to fall properly. In the street you will most probably brake both of your oponent's elbows and the throw its self will completely smash your opponent in the ground
This is how all martial techniques are learned an practiced...this isn't a brawl, it's a training session.
People who "challenge" Bruce Lee posthumously always amaze me. It'll never end. :)
This is just amazing!
2:28 Bless you!
My sifu always tells me, that if you don't think your style or art is working then go out and test it, this doesn't mean go picking fights with people, but it does allow me to walk into martial arts clubs and test a few of my skills against other styles, people should realise that no art is perfect and you have to take away what works for you (as bruce lee talked about) it is more about the principles than the techniques and chi sao is very good for making the mind work quickly
it's a TAO of things t'ai chi, aikido, bagua and wing chun are for filling each other
it is beautiful thing!
I don't speak russian, but i think the objective of this video is to show the best of some sticky hands of wing chun and other grab's and trow's of Aikido, all togheter. Am i right?
yes, you are right. Yuri Kormushin(Wing-Chun master) tells that it is almost impossible to catch opponent's arm when he is striking in classic aikido, and Wing-Chun sticky hands technique helps in this case)
Everything makes more sense now, as i watch the video again, thanks man! =)
parabens concordo com os demais. aliar duas tecnicas tão diferentes é muito interessante.
These guys are cool.
Productive friendly practice...
"You mean, almost every aikido instructor doesn't know what he's doing, if you say that."
Then that's what I'm saying. I won't shy away from it. The art is viable. However the same cannot be said for every instructor. Unless you have a multiple art background then it is difficult to see the efficacy of arts like Tai Chi, Wing Tsun, Akido, etc. These arts don't exist in a vacuum. They are effective in certain ranges and under certain conditions and should be blended rather than standalone.
Master Wong, on youtube is very good at illustrating power and timing.. Sifu chow is really good for fundementals.
just reading through some of the comments. Keep in mind that there are a lot of rules in things like ultimate fighting etc. Many martial arts have techniques designed to maim and kill that you don't see being practiced for obvious reasons.
Nice combination techniques,
A quote from Bruce Lee. As I watch this, I have my own moment of enlightenment. The basis of defense against the opponent is that you know what he will do. So it is like a chessmatch, except it hurts a lot if you get checkmated! If your opponent is a Karate student, he uses Karate-of course. But if he fights using for example: Kung-Fu or Muay Thai, you are confused. You expect to fight against one style, but he adds one or two others. You don't know how he will attack next.
Aikido and wing chun awesome mix
I like the instructors tan sao (palm up deflecting block ) his fingers threaten the eyes at 1:49.
It would be more accurate to say that the U.S. had nothing that could be used to prove Bruce's or most other martial artists' prowess at that time. We were into point match competitions back then I don't believe we even had official full contact bouts at that time. Bruce's fights had some of the most realistic choreography that can be seen in MA movies. The fights actually look plausible in real life scenarios and you can tell that real life fighting experience was drawn apon to make them.
Dont understand the lingo but very demonstration! keep up the good work!
Wing chun fusionado con Aikido!!!
Excelente!!!!
this is a nice combination aikido and wingchun
The art of fighting without fighting. I finally understood what Bruce Lee was talking about.
please more videos like this, online lessons maybe? I really liked the combination
maybe it would be better if you practice directly with the experts not online (only opinion)
i like his way of teaching
Excellent combination :D great vid
Somehow, I am somewhere in the transitional state between TMA and MMAs. I've always admired aikido/chin na/hapkido/jujutsu traditional standing submission grappling techniques. Adding wing chun approach, to aikido jointlocking, closes the gap between the free moves phase and the trapping phase of fighting (also as some southeastern TMAs, as silat, do). But any way, I am not saying they are useless (like MMAs fans that wear Tapout Tshirts who watch UFC and write in Bullshido blogs)...
It's not a joke its a martial art. If you are any type of martial artist or fighter then you should have respect for other martial arts. Wing Chun is a self defense martial art it is not competition based which is why you don't see loads of fights on youtube, Every single martial art has its advantages and disadvantages its up to the martial artist to adapt and learn different styles to improve himself and his ability in martial arts. And fyi i do Judo and Wing Chun.
Wing Chun and Aikido combination would be epic.
The reason, why you don't see the sticky hands very often is that you can't use it if you have boxing Gloves on your hands. Even if you fight with mma-gloves, it's not very efficient... Sticky hands also more useful if you are really close to your enemy, i.e. in clinch range, where you already have contact. If you fight in boxing range, you might be better off with simple punches. ;-)
EXCELENTE!!! greetings from Argentina ^^
That's true to an extent, but the fact is that some martial arts emphasise low-percentage moves that are very difficult to pull off effectively against a resisting opponent. So yes, the style is important and there is such thing as a bad (i.e. impractical) style.
The sensei looks too happy. He must love his job.
Wing Chun and Aikido Mixed?? I say it is really deadly.... having Fast hands to punch and making the enemy dizzy.. and for the final blow. the devastating move of Aikido.. Its really a great advantage if you learn both..
Da block & punch then da 2nd technique is Aikido( arm grapple).Learn da techniques & drills so that u can tell wat discipline or wat technique is bein applied. Wing Chun is an efficient system usin da least amount of effort & direct striking, as for Aikido focuses on arm grapples & throws.
That is a good answer. Somehow, awkward one...because, for example you can recommend not to do ground grappling against an armed opponent, or against many opponents in a street scenario.But,if you recommend not to attempt trapping and jointlocks against a ground fighter,in a street scenario,howcan you know forsure if heis indeed a groundfighter(before being caught in anrear neckchoke in the ground).It is tautological.And also,many TMAs based in standing grappling, teach going toground as taboo.