Need more of these foreign policy 101 from Ben Explaining terms and probably take us through how exactly decisions are made at the highest level in this regard
N Korea’s recent history of illegal wars, occupations, regime change, and proxy wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc…is a legitimate cause for concern.
I don't think this is something that changed in 2001 at all, we had plenty of genocides take place between the end of WW2 and 2001 which the international community did hardly anything about, millions died in multiple countries. In Indonesia for example the US did nothing, the Soviets did nothing, China did surprisingly little considering the Indonesian government was targeting people for being ethnically Chinese. This was in the 1960's when this supposed world order was supposed to exist. This is just one of many genocides that have taken place in the world and some even continue to take place to this day. I think this is just exposing the lie that the 'world order' ever existed in the first place.
How many World Wars occurred between the end of WW2 and 2001? Zero. I have lots of criticisms about the current world order and a looot of things I'd like to see changed. That the "world order" never existed is not one of them....in fact that's a lie you just told that it never existed in the first place. Read some history, research things before giving your uninformed opinion because your ideas are dangerous.
"Do less harm." to say the least! No zero sum game, as it's / we're all connected. Thriving through that shared goal moreover than just deterrence through strength (domination)!
Well, they were also talking about switching to a new world order, except in a non-conspirational way. And let's not forget, that a new world order was in fact proposed during the corona crisis, except that basically nothing was really implemented and conspiracy nuts misunderstood it entirely.
They can't say international law. Because US breaks it ALL the time. Or just thinks it's above it's application to them. Hence the extensive list of war crimes and atrocious US behaviour and actions.
I’ve been listening to the podcast since the very beginning, pretty sure I listened to the very first episode the day the show launched…. Just now finding out what Ben looks like. Not sure what I expected but it definitely wasn’t “Joe Rogan if he went to an Ivy League school”
Alyona welcome back used to watch you on RT person of principal ALSO in new Zealand RT removed from tv here due to Ukraine literally same week fantastic your back
UK voter here. Surprised that any Americans know anything about UK politics. Personally, I'll be voting Green. (Don't worry, the UK system is not as fragile as the US system, and can cope with votes for third parties.)
If "any Americans know anything about UK politics", _politics nerds_ like especially Ben Rhodes are the ones that I suspect would indeed know. I must say, in the "Weekly Show with Jon Stewart", I just heard today a pretty apt summary of the German election model, also provided by an American expert. They DO have people capable of learning things about the world. Although I really didn't like the term "worldos" that Alyona used there.
@@Enyavar1 I know MUCH, MUCH more than I ought to (as a foreigner) about the US political system and personalities, largely through the Late Show, etc. My excuse is that I lived in Minnesota in '98 and '99! ;o)
@@mikeharrison1868 sure and why not. Until their insurrection, I hardly knew anything about the US despite being part of an online community largely from there and despite their TV shows and cultural influence spreading everywhere in the world. But _now_ I know obscure places like "Fulton County" and "Maricopa County" and why they are important in their strange proto-democratic election jungle. I am genuinely interested in the US now. Mainly to tell my online community "I TOLD YOU SO" after they laughed about my concerns in 2016.
Certainly people who watch this program, at least, know quite a lot - kind of a condescending take to apply to a country of 330M people, and esp. to a world politics expert - though I recognize that we don't have the best image worldwide (and with good reason).
@@Tulpen23 Yes, true. I was being a little hyperbolic. Of course one would expect a program with this title to be aware. I'm reminded of trying to get a mortgage, and having to try to persuade our midwestern bank to get credit references for us from the UK. We gave them the phone number. They looked puzzled. Our phone doesn't have a plus sign. Oh, that's just whatever you dial to call international. Oh, how do we call international? (Real conversation.) Mind you, if you're in the midwest, with Canadian numbers to your North, and American numbers for thousands of miles to your East and West and South, I can understand that there's little need to ever dial international. And yes, I'm sure PSTW would know how to dial international! ;o) Best wishes.
Yes, it's clearly all those other dictators (many of which the US empowered/enabled, because the US has always preferred dictators). Also there was only 1 rule, and that was the Superpowers could do whatever they wanted... the US has always been exempt from international law.
The point about the US causing the GFC is super important. Previously China seemed to kind of “look up” to the US in some regards economically. 08 crystallized for them the idea that the US model wasn’t necessarily better than China’s. Our credibility had suffered through the post war era but 2001-2009 really hurt us in a way that Vietnam didn’t even.
Correction: not the biggest economy. Not for a while now, not the real economy. That's China. The U.S. is, for now, the biggest nominal economy, but not real by a good margin even with conservative estimates.
One foreign policy subject that never receives the attention its desperately needs is religious freedom, and how that plays as a "soft power" to geo politics. Not only Iran or Hindi nationalist India, but a lot of these wars are heavenly influenced by religion. If only the US would draw more attention to those concerns as well. its not just economic power grab
Ooh! Looking for More international topics to discuss?! I think you should talk about the Vatican and their influence around the world, especially since they are actively and directly influencing politicians and other public figures.
New World DISOrder. Russia is in a bit of trouble. Europe v Russia and China v Russia. Competition from both sides, and Russia can't even afford one side. A half risen China v a newly rising India. India was a leader among previously nonaligned nations. China is now gaining resentments for its attachments to global South loans. NonSino East & Oceania v China. Here's a sleeper... Anglo World v Mundo Español. Do they unite or divide?
Kinda hope so. Last time we had anything resembling national unity was WW2 and the immediate years thereafter. Nothing like an existential threat to bring a country together.
I am going with we wont be pulled in. our allies are strong. Our enemies are weak. both sides of the aisle are over the idea of keeping old software running.
I think if you want to boost PTSW, you just need presenters who are less satirical and patronising. Just somebody who is more serious than Nish. Ben's fine, but he's American, not "The World" as such. Maybe someone like James O'Brien - but not him, because he's a bit too jaded and overworked. But somebody who has a career history in real jobs, but also a good broadcaster.
Need more of these foreign policy 101 from Ben
Explaining terms and probably take us through how exactly decisions are made at the highest level in this regard
I concur!
The nerdiness is why I am here!
N Korea’s recent history of illegal wars, occupations, regime change, and proxy wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc…is a legitimate cause for concern.
I don't think this is something that changed in 2001 at all, we had plenty of genocides take place between the end of WW2 and 2001 which the international community did hardly anything about, millions died in multiple countries. In Indonesia for example the US did nothing, the Soviets did nothing, China did surprisingly little considering the Indonesian government was targeting people for being ethnically Chinese. This was in the 1960's when this supposed world order was supposed to exist. This is just one of many genocides that have taken place in the world and some even continue to take place to this day. I think this is just exposing the lie that the 'world order' ever existed in the first place.
yeah… for example, the Nakba took place during this time, UN world order didn’t protect them
How many World Wars occurred between the end of WW2 and 2001?
Zero. I have lots of criticisms about the current world order and a looot of things I'd like to see changed. That the "world order" never existed is not one of them....in fact that's a lie you just told that it never existed in the first place. Read some history, research things before giving your uninformed opinion because your ideas are dangerous.
"Do less harm." to say the least! No zero sum game, as it's / we're all connected.
Thriving through that shared goal moreover than just deterrence through strength (domination)!
I like the "New World Order" disclaimer from TH-cam because you guys are talking about the "rules based international order"
Well, they were also talking about switching to a new world order, except in a non-conspirational way.
And let's not forget, that a new world order was in fact proposed during the corona crisis, except that basically nothing was really implemented and conspiracy nuts misunderstood it entirely.
@@Enyavar1Reagan was talking about the nwo
Would love episodes on G7/20, NATO, AUKUS etc! Very palatable for introductions to foreign affairs
It's International Law! Not the "rules-based international order." Appeals to the 'RBID' just elides who has the power define/make/enforce the rules
Maybe the US uses RBID instead of International Law, because that way they evade having to follow the law that the rest of the world follows
They can't say international law. Because US breaks it ALL the time. Or just thinks it's above it's application to them. Hence the extensive list of war crimes and atrocious US behaviour and actions.
Love this new tradition to have Alyona on set ❤❤❤
For future episodes, can I suggest following the money....The World Bank, IMF & how the UN is funded. Words can be pretty things, but money is power.
Thank you for your constant service to the US and the rules based order worldwide, Ben Rhodes!
This was really helpful, thank you. Would love more of these world politics primers from Ben!
no way there's gonna be ww3, b4 fuckin gta 6 :/
Oh, love this format. Minkosvki makes for a good host, also.
I’ve been listening to the podcast since the very beginning, pretty sure I listened to the very first episode the day the show launched…. Just now finding out what Ben looks like. Not sure what I expected but it definitely wasn’t “Joe Rogan if he went to an Ivy League school”
Darn it Ben! You are getting more handsome by the minute!
As someone portuguese, you can believe that what went on in 08 is more than present
Alyona welcome back used to watch you on RT person of principal ALSO in new Zealand RT removed from tv here due to Ukraine literally same week fantastic your back
My favourite Crooked pod
UK voter here. Surprised that any Americans know anything about UK politics. Personally, I'll be voting Green. (Don't worry, the UK system is not as fragile as the US system, and can cope with votes for third parties.)
If "any Americans know anything about UK politics", _politics nerds_ like especially Ben Rhodes are the ones that I suspect would indeed know.
I must say, in the "Weekly Show with Jon Stewart", I just heard today a pretty apt summary of the German election model, also provided by an American expert.
They DO have people capable of learning things about the world. Although I really didn't like the term "worldos" that Alyona used there.
@@Enyavar1 I know MUCH, MUCH more than I ought to (as a foreigner) about the US political system and personalities, largely through the Late Show, etc. My excuse is that I lived in Minnesota in '98 and '99! ;o)
@@mikeharrison1868 sure and why not. Until their insurrection, I hardly knew anything about the US despite being part of an online community largely from there and despite their TV shows and cultural influence spreading everywhere in the world. But _now_ I know obscure places like "Fulton County" and "Maricopa County" and why they are important in their strange proto-democratic election jungle. I am genuinely interested in the US now.
Mainly to tell my online community "I TOLD YOU SO" after they laughed about my concerns in 2016.
Certainly people who watch this program, at least, know quite a lot - kind of a condescending take to apply to a country of 330M people, and esp. to a world politics expert - though I recognize that we don't have the best image worldwide (and with good reason).
@@Tulpen23 Yes, true. I was being a little hyperbolic. Of course one would expect a program with this title to be aware.
I'm reminded of trying to get a mortgage, and having to try to persuade our midwestern bank to get credit references for us from the UK. We gave them the phone number. They looked puzzled. Our phone doesn't have a plus sign. Oh, that's just whatever you dial to call international. Oh, how do we call international? (Real conversation.) Mind you, if you're in the midwest, with Canadian numbers to your North, and American numbers for thousands of miles to your East and West and South, I can understand that there's little need to ever dial international.
And yes, I'm sure PSTW would know how to dial international! ;o)
Best wishes.
Starting with “the irony is “ and not immediately criticizing the US for its own behavior really pushes how just cringe y’all’s takes are.
Yes, it's clearly all those other dictators (many of which the US empowered/enabled, because the US has always preferred dictators). Also there was only 1 rule, and that was the Superpowers could do whatever they wanted... the US has always been exempt from international law.
The point about the US causing the GFC is super important. Previously China seemed to kind of “look up” to the US in some regards economically. 08 crystallized for them the idea that the US model wasn’t necessarily better than China’s. Our credibility had suffered through the post war era but 2001-2009 really hurt us in a way that Vietnam didn’t even.
They do want to create an anti-West economic hegemony. China's Naval ambitions almost resemble that of the old thalassocracies.
Bandits vs pirates
Correction: not the biggest economy. Not for a while now, not the real economy. That's China.
The U.S. is, for now, the biggest nominal economy, but not real by a good margin even with conservative estimates.
"Leadership" is a term that needs to leave America's vocabulary.
Damn she's charming. I like how fast she talks.
One foreign policy subject that never receives the attention its desperately needs is religious freedom, and how that plays as a "soft power" to geo politics. Not only Iran or Hindi nationalist India, but a lot of these wars are heavenly influenced by religion. If only the US would draw more attention to those concerns as well. its not just economic power grab
Mean china benefits most since they’ve got all the benefits and ignore the others
Ooh! Looking for More international topics to discuss?! I think you should talk about the Vatican and their influence around the world, especially since they are actively and directly influencing politicians and other public figures.
For another view of the postwar world look up some interviews with David Talbot on Allen Dulles
Didn't the USSR famously invade Afghanistan?
New World DISOrder. Russia is in a bit of trouble. Europe v Russia and China v Russia. Competition from both sides, and Russia can't even afford one side. A half risen China v a newly rising India. India was a leader among previously nonaligned nations. China is now gaining resentments for its attachments to global South loans. NonSino East & Oceania v China. Here's a sleeper... Anglo World v Mundo Español. Do they unite or divide?
Short answer: yes
RIP PAX AMERICANA
Good
Kinda hope so. Last time we had anything resembling national unity was WW2 and the immediate years thereafter. Nothing like an existential threat to bring a country together.
Geeze that's super messed up. Scary U think that
Interesting that you didn’t have trump included in your thumbnail.
our leaders in the west are dragging us in too but you guys worked for em so you wont say that
it's hilarious to me that you think they're unwilling to criticize Obama and Biden
@@MrSnailwood not fully its the lightest touch or theyd have to admit that the Dems and Repubs are effectively the same at core
@@MrSnailwood it is not obama biden or trump . problem is political system .
I am going with we wont be pulled in. our allies are strong. Our enemies are weak. both sides of the aisle are over the idea of keeping old software running.
A Russian national just asked you if the UN was rules based or "US dominated"? Huh? Ben.... what are you doing?
I think if you want to boost PTSW, you just need presenters who are less satirical and patronising. Just somebody who is more serious than Nish. Ben's fine, but he's American, not "The World" as such. Maybe someone like James O'Brien - but not him, because he's a bit too jaded and overworked. But somebody who has a career history in real jobs, but also a good broadcaster.
This guy Ben is a real liberal i respect
The baby illness from mouth end how for vary small insignificant sum of men at top spewing it all about?