I think it's definitely worth mentioning that virtually all of these early universalist church fathers like St Basil, St Gregory of Nyssa, and Origen also happened to have spoken Koine Greek as their native tongue. The very fact that brillant church fathers that were the most intimate with the cultural attitudes and language of the New Testament could arrive at such a conclusion should give ECT advocates some pause.
With love and only your comment to go by: What is a label? It sounds like you believe, so I think you are a Christian: a member of His royal family, to receive Christ’s inheritance with Him. Sounds like you are my sister or brother. Now, let’s follow Him who guides us to peace and abundant living with His Word
Sounds like you might still be, maybe perhaps you were just really uncomfortable with eternal hell vs an absolutely loving God who commands us to forgive?
I was just called a heretic the other night, or rather, I was told "Universal salvation is a heresy" and a "demonic doctrine." He appeared to be in his early twenties, had a Lifestyle Christianity t-shirt on and had asked if I need him to pray for me about anything. Once I told him what I believed in, he kept trying to sway me into repentance telling me that it "doesn't matter what you think" and that it only matters what the bible says. When I told him that the salvation and restoration of all was the prevailing doctrine for close to 500 years in the early church, he told, "That's not true". He told me that Sheol and Hades were the same word and meaning as hell and that we choose to go there (I'm paraphrasing a little but it's fairly accurate according what I remember from the conversation), and all sorts of things. I mentioned 1 Timothy 2:4 and he told me "Who will have all men to be saved..." was wrong, that it was "Who desires...". There was nothing I could say that he didn't have a rolodex full of rebuttals for (to paraphrase an Alan Hess quote). He told me he wouldn't talk to me anymore because my ..."heart is hardened" He had initially claimed at the start of this whole conversation that he had a personal encounter with God and was revealed the truth. He agreed to swap emails to talk about it further but then changed his mind later in the discussion. That was an extremely challenging and frustrating exchange to say the least. I hope that God will reveal the truth to him some day. For the record, I know I'm completely flawed and don't have all the answers. I guess that's why they call it a belief and not a fact, but "fact" works just find for me. Great presentation as usual, Michael:)
@@DaveGreg100 Thanks, man! Yeah, I've been obsessed with the complete victory of Christ since around 2006 and have never looked back! Great to share that sentiment with you!:)
Crazy. I wore that very T-shirt yesterday. I have been to “Power & Love” twice. Dan Mohler was very helpful for me “for an age” 😄 and it’s actually really helpful to read your comment. I have so much to say I wish we could chat 😂. About 15 years ago my mother let me borrow a William Barclay expository on one of the books of the bible. I can’t recall, I’ve since bought so many. The truth sang to my Spirit/heart like nothing else. At one point, I found out he was a Christian Universalist so I, like a programmed evangelical, closed his books “for good.” Later, John Crowder and Francois du toit started igniting my heart again. Still, “universalism = bad” so I struggled to go to church and keep digging. Then this channel happened. I just finished watching all videos on this channel. I bought a YLT and am reading those highlighted scriptures about “all.” My life is changed forever. The gospel IS truly good news. Would be so cool to connect with people of like mind / heart / beliefs.
@@cambrianxrplosion3417 It's an honor to talk with you. I speak to people daily about it, well, maybe not every day but a lot of days. Just today, I spoke to one of my customers at work wearing a TRUMP shirt. She actually seemed fairly open minded about hearing me out, but she kept insisting that it would be "unfair" if all the so called bad people made it to heaven while the good Christians had to work harder for it. I tried telling her that God will destroy the bad in us and refine the good in us. It's always a challenge, but I always have to remind myself that people will come to the realization of the truth if God wills it, and he doesn't always will it, at least not straight away. I need to read more on William Barclay. Right now, and for several months now, I've been obsessed with antiquarian books on Universal salvation/restoration, etc from the 1800's and prior. They can be a bit on the pricey side but worth every penny. We'll all meet up when the time is right. Great to befriend you!
@jasonegeland1446 A quick rebuttal maybe would be how Christians understand that the gift of salvation was not obtained by our hard work in the first place. We even as reborn christians, make many mistakes. I see her point, and I think your response was good.
Basil the great argued against universalism in multiple occasions. "Although these and the like declarations are to be found (of eternal punishment) in numerous places of divinely inspired Scripture, it is one of the artifices of the devil, that many forgetting these and other such statements and utterances of the Lord, ascribe an end to punishment, so that they can sin the more boldly. If, however, there were going to be and end of eternal punishment, there would likewise be and end to eternal life. If we cannot conceive of an end to that life, how are we to suppose there will be and end to eternal punishment? The qualification of “eternal” is ascribed equally to both of them. “For these are going,” He says, “into eternal punishment; the just, however, into eternal life.”
I am quite sure it is widely believed among the scholars that this passage was falsely attributed to St. Basil. The quote in question is found in the Regulae for monks, a work that patristic scholar Illaria Ramelli argues to be highly interpolated. I think, if my memory serves me right, that Ramelli argues the passage was written later as a response to Theodore of Mopsuestia's argument against the infinitude of Hell and was later misattributed to St. Basil. If St. Basil did write this passage, he would be proclaiming his brother Gregory of Nyssa, his sister Macrina, his close friend Gregory of Nazianzus, and Gregory the Wonderworker-which he greatly respected; of being deceived by the devil. All of these individuals were likely Universalists, so the accusation from Pseudo-St. Basil would be close, (if not outright) to calling all of them heretics. Another point I think is worth mentioning is that this passage contradicts Basil's linguistic usage. It is written in inferior Greek compared to the authentic works of St. Basil, which consistently shows higher level of linguistic proficiency. Additionally, the ideas expressed in this passage, such as Hell being a physical place with different locations, are in direct opposition to St. Basil's teachings. He extensively argued against these concepts in his known to be authentic works. In conclusion; I think this passage contradicts much of St. Basil's known teachings and is written in inferior Greek, and on top of that, is found in a work known to be highly interpolated. I would additionally argue it is unreasonable to suggest that St. Basil would label his family and friends as heretics deceived by the devil.
Hello! I cannot find where St. Basil said these things. I have his Exegetical Homilies on Psalm 48 but I can’t find it. My copy is from Ex Fontibus Co. Where can I find it?
Can't find that quote? You need to look specifically for his homily on Psalm 48:2 "Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King." To be fair Basil does waffle on the topic off and on. But Basil consistently believed punishment is fitted to the individual, not one size fits all. Ref: Saint Basil : exegetic homilies pg. 172 Publication date 1963 Topics Christian literature, Early, Christian literature, Early Publisher Washington, D.C. : Catholic University of America (Available at Archive (org))
@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838 Do you know where I can find the quote on God’s punishments being Divine Medicine? I am looking for that one specifically. I found the addition you mentioned
@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838yeah especially in evangelical circles. I was in an evangelical book store the other day and there were books saying the 70 a.d. view of revelation was a heresy. Also no Bibles with the Apocrypha. Love your work bro God bless.
@@dutchmcgee101 Only full Preterism that denies that Christ will return at the end of the great age is a heresy since that violates the Nicene Constantinopolitan creed. That view conflates the judgment coming of Christ in 70 A.D. with the final return of Christ and the resurrection dead. Two distinct events.
Hi Total Victory Of Christ, There is a Reddit post regarding your channel and I was hoping if you could reply to the content therein. It reads: “I suspect this video is very innacurate. At 3:59 there is a quote from Lactantius that reads “The sacred writings themselves inform us that there will be an end to punishment and torments, either through the unbounded mercy of God, or through the magnitude of the penalties.” I found the work from which that video quotes in the website below, and I saw that quote nowhere. In fact it seems to imply that Lactantius believed in endless punishment. I also found no evidence of any of the other quotes being real. This is demoralizing and makes me doubt whether this TH-cam channel is trustworthy.” I hope all is well. Kindest regards 🙏
Hello sir, May I ask. With regards to eternal life not being everlasting, am I right in understanding that time in heaven after death in limited/finite? If so, what happens after?
Life is Christ is everlasting but not because of the Greek word aion or it's adjective. They are always referring to when we obtain immortal life in Christ, it's the life of the age to come. This is even critical church doctrine found in the Nicene Constantinopolitan creed. Basically we are given immortal life, at a particular time, in a kingdom without end is how they understood that.
@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838 Thank you ever so much for your reply. I’ve recently gotten into Christian Universalism, and it really resonates. Wholly positive, wholly loving, all Good in the end. I had studied Platonism before, and had come across Porphyry’s “Against The Christians”, of which Augustine replied to in his book The City Of God. Indeed one quote in The City Of God reads “None are closer to us (Christians) than the Platonists.” No doubt referring to the logical framework, metaphysics of “The Good” as the highest, and study by which the Platonists conducted themselves. Yet for his rebuttal of Porphyry, seeing as Augustine adhered to the doctrine of Eternal (as meant everlasting) damnation in the lake of fire (or, Gehenna?) it calls into question the legitimacy of his arguments against Porphyry’s “Against The Christians.”. I personally would love to know your thoughts on what Augustine got right in his rebuttal, that is only if you have the time for it sir. Kindest regards, A non Heathen Viking
@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838 If I may also enquire, if God is outside of space time “God is Spirit” and not bound to temporality or physicality as we are, and by that understanding is beyond form in divine essence - what does heaven (life in Christ/God) actually look like? I hope all is well. Kindest regards 🙂
By grace ye are saved through faith, it is a gift and not of anything we initiate or do. God has chosen certain people in this age and with that choice came the spiritual influence upon the heart and without being chosen of God no man/woman can even think about coming to Christ. This age God is preparing his Priesthood for the ages to come when the nations will by his will and choice believe and come to Christ. When reading the book of Revelation I noticed that the fearful and the unbelieving are in the New Earth, (After they were previously cast into the lake of fire) in chapter 20, but in chapter this chapter verse 24, some of the nations are now being saved, and in chapter 22:2 they are now eating from the tree of life receiving their healing. What I wanted to point out about this is that in that future age people will come to Christ as they believe (and are able) to come to him, but notice that the same warning is given about sinners chapter 22:15 yet there is no more mention of (unbelievers) Jesus Christ is truly the Saviour of the whole world!!!!
Short answer of this is that no-one can receive the kingdom of God unless they are given grace to believe and come to Christ. Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord and the rest of the world did not find that grace and had to perish.
After Christ's judgments, many will not be able to enter the kingdom, Luke 13:24. Only God's elect will be able to enter the kingdom to reign and rule with Christ, Matt 25:21. Those unable to enter will become subjects of the “outer darkness/weeping and gnashing of teeth”, Luke 13:28. Although this will be a place of punishment, it is “corrective punishment” and not some mindless act of endless torment. Matt 25:46:- And, these, shall go away, into, age-abiding, >[kolasis/correction]< but, the righteous, into, age-abiding, life. [REB] Lexicon:: Strong's G2851 - kolasis:- Biblical Usage: - >[correction,]< punishment, penalty Concerning those who are Jesus’ at his return, he didn’t say they would enter the kingdom “instead” of them [ie] the subjects of outer darkness, he said they will enter the kingdom “before” them. Matt 21:31: - Which of the two did the will of his father?” They said, “The first.” Jesus said to them, “Truly I say to you that the tax collectors and prostitutes will get into the kingdom of God >[before]< you [NASB]. For indeed, many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first Luke 13:30:- Luke 13: 22- 30: - And He was passing through one city and village after another, teaching, and proceeding on His way to Jerusalem. 23 And someone said to Him, “Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?” And He said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25 Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin standing outside and knocking on the door, saying, ‘Lord, open up to us!’ and He then will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know where you are from.’ 26 Then you will begin saying, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets!’ 27 And yet He will say, ‘I do not know where you are from; leave Me, all you evildoers.’ 28 >[IN THAT PLACE there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves being thrown out. 29 And they will come from east and west, and from north and south, and will recline at the table in the kingdom of God. 30 AND BEHOLD SOME ARE LAST WHO WILL BE FIRST, AND SOME ARE FIRST WHO WILL BE LAST]< The above is only my reasoning from the scriptures. Although very brief, I hope it helps with your question in some way. Peace.
My only disagreement is that the eternal torment was the popular belief. During the first four centuries Universal Restoration was the "prevailing view". Even St. Basil said it was.
Hi, I have been following your channel for years, and I greatly appreciate your work. I must say that your reasoning has always made sense to me, and I'm very close to considering myself a universalist. However, there's one matter that puzzles me. Given your unbiased opinion and reasoning, I would like to hear your perspective on the verse in Revelation that refers to the lady with a glowing dress. To be honest, it is very clear to me that it's referring to Saint Mary. Any attempt to interpret it differently honestly makes me angry, as it seems hypocritical and untrue. The arguments put forth by Protestants who try to interpret it in other ways lack conviction. Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts on this.
Revelation 12:5 says this "She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” a And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days." Of course Christ told believers to flee to the wilderness, don't even go back to get your coat, when the Roman armies appear. Matthew 24:15-20 So yes, I think that your interpretation that this women is Mary, the mother of our Lord, is perfectly reasonable.
Barely any quotes mentioned in this video, to my knowledge. Is to be found in St. Basil's writings. The only potentially authentic-explicit Universalist quote to be found In St. Basil's writings is his commentary on Isaiah 9 (which is not included in this video; very strange), where he seems to agree with Nyssa's Universalist interpretation of 1 Corinthians 15, with even more clarity. But it is important to note; The authorship of this quote is also disputed-albeit not as controversial as the infernalist passage in the Regulae, which was most definitely not written by St. Basil. "The peace of Solomon was limited to the recorded years, whereas the peace from the Lord is coextensive with the whole of eternity, being unlimited and boundless. For all shall be subjected to him and shall recognize his mastery. And when God shall be all in all (1 Cor. 15) and those making an uproar by their apostasies are silenced, all in peaceful harmony shall praise God with hymns. St. Basil commentary on Isaiah 9 (potentially) If he wrote this, there is no doubt that St. Basil was a Universalist and would make sense of why Orosius later quoted St. Basil as a believer in the Origenist universal Apokatastasis. But we sadly can't know for certain.
Man loves to bring God down to his level of thinking and interrupts the Bible as if God is but a Man . We love vengeance we love self-righteousness and this comes to the fore when most Christians talk about all the people going to burn in hell forever because they deserve it . There are no human words of any language that can actually describe the glory of The God of All Creation .
Geocentrism should NOT be on that list. Joshua 10:12-14 makes it very clear that it is the sun and the moon that move (which we observe in reality). That passage was always understood to mean exactly what it said until the church was hoodwinked by heliocentrism (sun worship). Job 38:14 states that the earth takes shape like clay under a seal. Anyone who has pressed a seal on top of clay knows this depiction doesn't match a spherical earth. Job 37:18-19 describes the firmament as being strong molten glass. Genesis 1:6 states that there is water above the firmament (which Job describes as being like strong molten glass). Genesis 1:14-19 states the sun, moon, and stars are in (not outside of) the strong, molten glass-like firmament. Makes sense that the firmament would be a solid structure given the fact that we are breathing pressurized gas and a container is required to have gas pressure. The notion that we have a vacuum above our heads (outer space) violates entropy as gas would instantaneously fill the available volume of the said vacuum if there was no solid barrier. Heliocentrism stands in direct contradiction to Biblical cosmology, natural law (entropy, among others I won't get into), and observed reality. Heliocentrism is nothing more than a tool to hide God and push an atheistic big-bang, evolutionary religion on the masses. You have woken up to the lie of eternal damnation - I pray you will wake up to the lie of heliocentrism (interesting how both lies seem to repel so many people from the Bible). And the next time someone tells you the sun doesn't revolve around you, tell them it actually revolves around all of us because we are at the center of God's great creation. The earth is measured as a horizontal plane, surveyed as a horizontal plane, navigated as a horizontal plane, and aviated as a horizontal and stationary plane. Gas pressure affirms the Bible's claim that we are contained within the solid firmament.
I believe in Ultimate Reconciliation. I know that Eternal Conscious Torment is a false doctrine, BUT: having denounced Roman Catholicism at the age of 13, I have no desire or intention to turn to the Roman Catholic "church" for validation of ANYTHING.
I think it's definitely worth mentioning that virtually all of these early universalist church fathers like St Basil, St Gregory of Nyssa, and Origen also happened to have spoken Koine Greek as their native tongue. The very fact that brillant church fathers that were the most intimate with the cultural attitudes and language of the New Testament could arrive at such a conclusion should give ECT advocates some pause.
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Beautiful point! For anyone curious, ECT = Eternal Conscious Torment
We are praying for you as you labor on our behalf!!!
If only this is what was taught in the church, i would still be christian
Sounds like you;re more of a Christian than 99% of Christians out there
With love and only your comment to go by:
What is a label? It sounds like you believe, so I think you are a Christian: a member of His royal family, to receive Christ’s inheritance with Him. Sounds like you are my sister or brother. Now, let’s follow Him who guides us to peace and abundant living with His Word
Sounds like you might still be, maybe perhaps you were just really uncomfortable with eternal hell vs an absolutely loving God who commands us to forgive?
I was just called a heretic the other night, or rather, I was told "Universal salvation is a heresy" and a "demonic doctrine."
He appeared to be in his early twenties, had a Lifestyle Christianity t-shirt on and had asked if I need him to pray for me about anything. Once I told him what I believed in, he kept trying to sway me into repentance telling me that it "doesn't matter what you think" and that it only matters what the bible says. When I told him that the salvation and restoration of all was the prevailing doctrine for close to 500 years in the early church, he told, "That's not true". He told me that Sheol and Hades were the same word and meaning as hell and that we choose to go there (I'm paraphrasing a little but it's fairly accurate according what I remember from the conversation), and all sorts of things. I mentioned 1 Timothy 2:4 and he told me "Who will have all men to be saved..." was wrong, that it was "Who desires...". There was nothing I could say that he didn't have a rolodex full of rebuttals for (to paraphrase an Alan Hess quote). He told me he wouldn't talk to me anymore because my ..."heart is hardened"
He had initially claimed at the start of this whole conversation that he had a personal encounter with God and was revealed the truth. He agreed to swap emails to talk about it further but then changed his mind later in the discussion. That was an extremely challenging and frustrating exchange to say the least. I hope that God will reveal the truth to him some day.
For the record, I know I'm completely flawed and don't have all the answers. I guess that's why they call it a belief and not a fact, but "fact" works just find for me. Great presentation as usual, Michael:)
Discovering Universalism finally made it all make sense. Good for you.
@@DaveGreg100 Thanks, man! Yeah, I've been obsessed with the complete victory of Christ since around 2006 and have never looked back! Great to share that sentiment with you!:)
Crazy. I wore that very T-shirt yesterday. I have been to “Power & Love” twice. Dan Mohler was very helpful for me “for an age” 😄 and it’s actually really helpful to read your comment. I have so much to say I wish we could chat 😂. About 15 years ago my mother let me borrow a William Barclay expository on one of the books of the bible. I can’t recall, I’ve since bought so many. The truth sang to my Spirit/heart like nothing else. At one point, I found out he was a Christian Universalist so I, like a programmed evangelical, closed his books “for good.” Later, John Crowder and Francois du toit started igniting my heart again. Still, “universalism = bad” so I struggled to go to church and keep digging. Then this channel happened. I just finished watching all videos on this channel. I bought a YLT and am reading those highlighted scriptures about “all.” My life is changed forever. The gospel IS truly good news. Would be so cool to connect with people of like mind / heart / beliefs.
@@cambrianxrplosion3417 It's an honor to talk with you. I speak to people daily about it, well, maybe not every day but a lot of days. Just today, I spoke to one of my customers at work wearing a TRUMP shirt. She actually seemed fairly open minded about hearing me out, but she kept insisting that it would be "unfair" if all the so called bad people made it to heaven while the good Christians had to work harder for it. I tried telling her that God will destroy the bad in us and refine the good in us. It's always a challenge, but I always have to remind myself that people will come to the realization of the truth if God wills it, and he doesn't always will it, at least not straight away. I need to read more on William Barclay. Right now, and for several months now, I've been obsessed with antiquarian books on Universal salvation/restoration, etc from the 1800's and prior. They can be a bit on the pricey side but worth every penny.
We'll all meet up when the time is right.
Great to befriend you!
@jasonegeland1446
A quick rebuttal maybe would be how Christians understand that the gift of salvation was not obtained by our hard work in the first place. We even as reborn christians, make many mistakes. I see her point, and I think your response was good.
Wonderful. So glad you are doing these!
Where did you get these quotes from? I can’t find them anywhere. I looked up those works and I couldn’t find those quotes
Great!
Basil the great argued against universalism in multiple occasions.
"Although these and the like declarations are to be found (of eternal punishment) in numerous places of divinely inspired Scripture, it is one of the artifices of the devil, that many forgetting these and other such statements and utterances of the Lord, ascribe an end to punishment, so that they can sin the more boldly. If, however, there were going to be and end of eternal punishment, there would likewise be and end to eternal life. If we cannot conceive of an end to that life, how are we to suppose there will be and end to eternal punishment? The qualification of “eternal” is ascribed equally to both of them. “For these are going,” He says, “into eternal punishment; the just, however, into eternal life.”
EVERY knee shall bow, EVERY tongue shall confess
@@daMillenialTrucker I mean I do agree, however it appears Basil didn't
I am quite sure it is widely believed among the scholars that this passage was falsely attributed to St. Basil. The quote in question is found in the Regulae for monks, a work that patristic scholar Illaria Ramelli argues to be highly interpolated. I think, if my memory serves me right, that Ramelli argues the passage was written later as a response to Theodore of Mopsuestia's argument against the infinitude of Hell and was later misattributed to St. Basil. If St. Basil did write this passage, he would be proclaiming his brother Gregory of Nyssa, his sister Macrina, his close friend Gregory of Nazianzus, and Gregory the Wonderworker-which he greatly respected; of being deceived by the devil. All of these individuals were likely Universalists, so the accusation from Pseudo-St. Basil would be close, (if not outright) to calling all of them heretics.
Another point I think is worth mentioning is that this passage contradicts Basil's linguistic usage. It is written in inferior Greek compared to the authentic works of St. Basil, which consistently shows higher level of linguistic proficiency. Additionally, the ideas expressed in this passage, such as Hell being a physical place with different locations, are in direct opposition to St. Basil's teachings. He extensively argued against these concepts in his known to be authentic works.
In conclusion; I think this passage contradicts much of St. Basil's known teachings and is written in inferior Greek, and on top of that, is found in a work known to be highly interpolated. I would additionally argue it is unreasonable to suggest that St. Basil would label his family and friends as heretics deceived by the devil.
Always appreciate this channel. Logic and common sense are vastly absent in modern christendom.
*In modern society
You should do a video on Eustathius of Antioch.
I love their sister Macrina.
Hello! I cannot find where St. Basil said these things. I have his Exegetical Homilies on Psalm 48 but I can’t find it. My copy is from Ex Fontibus Co. Where can I find it?
Can't find that quote? You need to look specifically for his homily on Psalm 48:2 "Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King."
To be fair Basil does waffle on the topic off and on. But Basil consistently believed punishment is fitted to the individual, not one size fits all. Ref: Saint Basil : exegetic homilies pg. 172 Publication date 1963 Topics Christian literature, Early, Christian literature, Early Publisher Washington, D.C. : Catholic University of America (Available at Archive (org))
@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838 thank you for the response!
@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838 Do you know where I can find the quote on God’s punishments being Divine Medicine? I am looking for that one specifically. I found the addition you mentioned
Have you tried preaching in public all of this stuff? I wanna spread the message of Universalism Restoration.
This is a public platform. But nobody has asked me to give a live presentation, not exactly popular in most Christian circles today.
@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838yeah especially in evangelical circles. I was in an evangelical book store the other day and there were books saying the 70 a.d. view of revelation was a heresy. Also no Bibles with the Apocrypha. Love your work bro God bless.
@@dutchmcgee101 Only full Preterism that denies that Christ will return at the end of the great age is a heresy since that violates the Nicene Constantinopolitan creed. That view conflates the judgment coming of Christ in 70 A.D. with the final return of Christ and the resurrection dead. Two distinct events.
@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838 I'd have to say I'm a partial preterist then.
Hi Total Victory Of Christ,
There is a Reddit post regarding your channel and I was hoping if you could reply to the content therein. It reads:
“I suspect this video is very innacurate.
At 3:59 there is a quote from Lactantius that reads “The sacred writings themselves inform us that there will be an end to punishment and torments, either through the unbounded mercy of God, or through the magnitude of the penalties.”
I found the work from which that video quotes in the website below, and I saw that quote nowhere. In fact it seems to imply that Lactantius believed in endless punishment.
I also found no evidence of any of the other quotes being real. This is demoralizing and makes me doubt whether this TH-cam channel is trustworthy.”
I hope all is well.
Kindest regards 🙏
Hello sir,
May I ask. With regards to eternal life not being everlasting, am I right in understanding that time in heaven after death in limited/finite? If so, what happens after?
Life is Christ is everlasting but not because of the Greek word aion or it's adjective. They are always referring to when we obtain immortal life in Christ, it's the life of the age to come. This is even critical church doctrine found in the Nicene Constantinopolitan creed. Basically we are given immortal life, at a particular time, in a kingdom without end is how they understood that.
@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838 Thank you ever so much for your reply.
I’ve recently gotten into Christian Universalism, and it really resonates. Wholly positive, wholly loving, all Good in the end. I had studied Platonism before, and had come across Porphyry’s “Against The Christians”, of which Augustine replied to in his book The City Of God. Indeed one quote in The City Of God reads “None are closer to us (Christians) than the Platonists.” No doubt referring to the logical framework, metaphysics of “The Good” as the highest, and study by which the Platonists conducted themselves. Yet for his rebuttal of Porphyry, seeing as Augustine adhered to the doctrine of Eternal (as meant everlasting) damnation in the lake of fire (or, Gehenna?) it calls into question the legitimacy of his arguments against Porphyry’s “Against The Christians.”. I personally would love to know your thoughts on what Augustine got right in his rebuttal, that is only if you have the time for it sir.
Kindest regards,
A non Heathen Viking
@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838 If I may also enquire, if God is outside of space time “God is Spirit” and not bound to temporality or physicality as we are, and by that understanding is beyond form in divine essence - what does heaven (life in Christ/God) actually look like?
I hope all is well.
Kindest regards 🙂
Can anyone please explain to me the scripture in 1 Corinthians 6: 9-11 about how certain people will not inherit the kingdom of God?
Is this true?
By grace ye are saved through faith, it is a gift and not of anything we initiate or do. God has chosen certain people in this age and with that choice came the spiritual influence upon the heart and without being chosen of God no man/woman can even think about coming to Christ. This age God is preparing his Priesthood for the ages to come when the nations will by his will and choice believe and come to Christ.
When reading the book of Revelation I noticed that the fearful and the unbelieving are in the New Earth, (After they were previously cast into the lake of fire) in chapter 20, but in chapter this chapter verse 24, some of the nations are now being saved, and in chapter 22:2 they are now eating from the tree of life receiving their healing. What I wanted to point out about this is that in that future age people will come to Christ as they believe (and are able) to come to him, but notice that the same warning is given about sinners chapter 22:15 yet there is no more mention of (unbelievers)
Jesus Christ is truly the Saviour of the whole world!!!!
Short answer of this is that no-one can receive the kingdom of God unless they are given grace to believe and come to Christ.
Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord and the rest of the world did not find that grace and had to perish.
After Christ's judgments, many will not be able to enter the kingdom, Luke 13:24. Only God's elect will be able to enter the kingdom to reign and rule with Christ, Matt 25:21. Those unable to enter will become subjects of the “outer darkness/weeping and gnashing of teeth”, Luke 13:28. Although this will be a place of punishment, it is “corrective punishment” and not some mindless act of endless torment.
Matt 25:46:- And, these, shall go away, into, age-abiding, >[kolasis/correction]< but, the righteous, into, age-abiding, life. [REB]
Lexicon:: Strong's G2851 - kolasis:-
Biblical Usage: - >[correction,]< punishment, penalty
Concerning those who are Jesus’ at his return, he didn’t say they would enter the kingdom “instead” of them [ie] the subjects of outer darkness, he said they will enter the kingdom “before” them.
Matt 21:31: - Which of the two did the will of his father?” They said, “The first.” Jesus said to them, “Truly I say to you that the tax collectors and prostitutes will get into the kingdom of God >[before]< you [NASB].
For indeed, many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first Luke 13:30:-
Luke 13: 22- 30: - And He was passing through one city and village after another, teaching, and proceeding on His way to Jerusalem. 23 And someone said to Him, “Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?” And He said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25 Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin standing outside and knocking on the door, saying, ‘Lord, open up to us!’ and He then will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know where you are from.’ 26 Then you will begin saying, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets!’ 27 And yet He will say, ‘I do not know where you are from; leave Me, all you evildoers.’ 28 >[IN THAT PLACE there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves being thrown out. 29 And they will come from east and west, and from north and south, and will recline at the table in the kingdom of God. 30 AND BEHOLD SOME ARE LAST WHO WILL BE FIRST, AND SOME ARE FIRST WHO WILL BE LAST]<
The above is only my reasoning from the scriptures. Although very brief, I hope it helps with your question in some way.
Peace.
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My only disagreement is that the eternal torment was the popular belief. During the first four centuries Universal Restoration was the "prevailing view". Even St. Basil said it was.
Hi, I have been following your channel for years, and I greatly appreciate your work. I must say that your reasoning has always made sense to me, and I'm very close to considering myself a universalist. However, there's one matter that puzzles me. Given your unbiased opinion and reasoning, I would like to hear your perspective on the verse in Revelation that refers to the lady with a glowing dress. To be honest, it is very clear to me that it's referring to Saint Mary. Any attempt to interpret it differently honestly makes me angry, as it seems hypocritical and untrue. The arguments put forth by Protestants who try to interpret it in other ways lack conviction. Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts on this.
Revelation 12:5 says this "She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” a And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days."
Of course Christ told believers to flee to the wilderness, don't even go back to get your coat, when the Roman armies appear. Matthew 24:15-20
So yes, I think that your interpretation that this women is Mary, the mother of our Lord, is perfectly reasonable.
I'm not convinced that the trinity is true. But I'm a believer in Ultimate Reconciliation.
What do you struggle with in belief of the Trinity?
The Bible is a geocentric book and we live our lives geocentrically.
Correct. The earth is a stationary plane contained within the firmament.
Barely any quotes mentioned in this video, to my knowledge. Is to be found in St. Basil's writings. The only potentially authentic-explicit Universalist quote to be found In St. Basil's writings is his commentary on Isaiah 9 (which is not included in this video; very strange), where he seems to agree with Nyssa's Universalist interpretation of 1 Corinthians 15, with even more clarity. But it is important to note; The authorship of this quote is also disputed-albeit not as controversial as the infernalist passage in the Regulae, which was most definitely not written by St. Basil.
"The peace of Solomon was limited to the recorded years, whereas the peace from the Lord is coextensive with the whole of eternity, being unlimited and boundless. For all shall be subjected to him and shall recognize his mastery. And when God shall be all in all (1 Cor. 15) and those making an uproar by their apostasies are silenced, all in peaceful harmony shall praise God with hymns. St. Basil commentary on Isaiah 9 (potentially)
If he wrote this, there is no doubt that St. Basil was a Universalist and would make sense of why Orosius later quoted St. Basil as a believer in the Origenist universal Apokatastasis. But we sadly can't know for certain.
Man loves to bring God down to his level of thinking and interrupts the Bible as if God is but a Man . We love vengeance we love self-righteousness and this comes to the fore when most Christians talk about all the people going to burn in hell forever because they deserve it .
There are no human words of any language that can actually describe the glory of The God of All Creation .
Geocentrism should NOT be on that list. Joshua 10:12-14 makes it very clear that it is the sun and the moon that move (which we observe in reality). That passage was always understood to mean exactly what it said until the church was hoodwinked by heliocentrism (sun worship). Job 38:14 states that the earth takes shape like clay under a seal. Anyone who has pressed a seal on top of clay knows this depiction doesn't match a spherical earth. Job 37:18-19 describes the firmament as being strong molten glass. Genesis 1:6 states that there is water above the firmament (which Job describes as being like strong molten glass). Genesis 1:14-19 states the sun, moon, and stars are in (not outside of) the strong, molten glass-like firmament. Makes sense that the firmament would be a solid structure given the fact that we are breathing pressurized gas and a container is required to have gas pressure. The notion that we have a vacuum above our heads (outer space) violates entropy as gas would instantaneously fill the available volume of the said vacuum if there was no solid barrier. Heliocentrism stands in direct contradiction to Biblical cosmology, natural law (entropy, among others I won't get into), and observed reality. Heliocentrism is nothing more than a tool to hide God and push an atheistic big-bang, evolutionary religion on the masses. You have woken up to the lie of eternal damnation - I pray you will wake up to the lie of heliocentrism (interesting how both lies seem to repel so many people from the Bible). And the next time someone tells you the sun doesn't revolve around you, tell them it actually revolves around all of us because we are at the center of God's great creation. The earth is measured as a horizontal plane, surveyed as a horizontal plane, navigated as a horizontal plane, and aviated as a horizontal and stationary plane. Gas pressure affirms the Bible's claim that we are contained within the solid firmament.
I believe in Ultimate Reconciliation. I know that Eternal Conscious Torment is a false doctrine, BUT: having denounced Roman Catholicism at the age of 13, I have no desire or intention to turn to the Roman Catholic "church" for validation of ANYTHING.